Sapper_Topo: Hehe I got a Company Grade for having Copenhagen in my wall locker in Basic. Only trouble I had in my entire career. Still extra duty sux especially in basic training.

*REALLY*?

When I was in Basic (1985), it was allowed, though I never kept it in my wall locker. Then again, you could still smoke back then too. When they let you.

That was the appeal of smokeless in Basic: You could have it in all the time, as long as you were discreet. You didn't have to wait for a designated break.

dittybopper

When I was in Basic (1985), it was allowed...

You're old, gray hair. Boot had us so farked up that when we found a cigarette butt, we wondered if it was a trap.

/best way to quit smoking

I must have gone in right after they banned smoking.
They didn't let us smoke in 1986.
Get off my lawn.

I got two weeks AD for an incident on guard duty. They were looking to hang me because one of the other guards had a party in the mopo. It was a four hour on/eight off guard duty weekend.

I told the Provost Marshall all I noticed was that the soda machine had been smashed after my first 4 hour detail Saturday. The previous guard 'supposedly' had reported it to the Sgt of the guard.

The PM asked me about the FTA sprayed painted on the back door of the mopo and I said "There was so much FTA painted everywhere, I didn't notice that one. Indeed, there was an "FTA 1966" painted across the rafter. I think that was the oldest one in that building.

Two weeks of additional duty. I had to pull weeds out of the flight line, wash a bunch of leaves down a sewer (okay - I was supposed to rake the leave and dispose of them properly), rewax the recruiting NCO's office ("Do you want to re-enlist?" is the stupidest question you can ask an E-1 when he's scrapping wax off a floor) and more guard duty (Armory this time - stand outside, eat some white crosses and watch the planes take off).

I went to dix for basic and we were placed next to the female barracks. our latrine looked right down into theirs.

/it was like a watering hole for wildebeasts
//i have seen some hot ass officers

MBooda: dittybopper: but it was really because I was drinking on the roof of the barracks

On the roof? Seems like they would have gone for the highest level...*rimshot*

(there is a saga attached to that last one).

do tell!

OK, it was 2 weeks before my 21st birthday, and we were having a party at the barracks. Alcohol (beer and wine) were allowed in the barracks, but sometime in 1987 or 1988 a directive came down from high up saying that soldiers under the legal drinking age in the state where they are stationed couldn't drink alcohol. Previous to that, we could drink on post, just not (legally) off post, although most bars would serve you if they knew you were military.

Anyway, I and another soldier thought it would be clever to get up on the roof of the offices attached to the barracks: The offices were a 1 story structure attached to the 3 story barracks by a breezeway (this being Hawaii). So, we climbed out of the second story window at the southeastern end of the barracks, and onto the office roof. We stayed up there probably no more than 20 minutes. I went through a single beer, so it couldn't have been very long.

When we went to climb back into the window, the battalion CSM was standing there. He simply said "Y'all wanna climb back in here". Needless to say, we did. He took down our names, and escorted us to our rooms (but didn't say we had to stay there). I went back out to the party and started warning people that the sergeant major was around, and I turned to go back to my room and who is behind me? Yep. The CSM.

Anyway, the next day they give me a breathalyzer, which showed some very low number (I wasn't *THAT* drunk, just young and stupid). They pulled my access temporarily so I couldn't do my job, and had me as a perma-CQ/gopher while they decided on my punishment. Knowing how it works, I showed the proper attitude and a willingness to go beyond what was asked.

So, the day finally comes when they are going to give me my Article 15, but it happens to fall on my birthday. Traditionally, on your birthday you had to go to your annual dental checkup, and you had the rest of the day off, so they basically said "come back tomorrow".

OK, so tomorrow comes and I and my squad leader, an ex-tanker whose nickname was "Buddha" because he resembled certain zaftig statuary, went to go see the company commander. I'm wearing my best uniform, looking squared away.

Now, a word about our company commander. Remember the old Tom Lehrer tune with the lines "Our captain has a handicap to cope with, sad to tell. He's from Georgia, and he doesn't speak the language very well"? Substitute "She" for "He", and "Puerto Rico" for "Georgia", and you'll start to get the picture. Looking back, she was reasonably intelligent and educated, she just had issues with tenses and the like when speaking English, which of course made for quite a bit of quiet hilarity amongst those of us in the unit.

You have to remember this is a military intelligence unit: Everyone in the unit is at least above average intelligence wise, and quite a number greatly so. When you have occasional trouble speaking the native language of 95% of your soldiers in a unit like that, fairly or unfairly it's going to be reflected in their attitudes about you.

Anyway, my squad leader and I march into the captain's office, and she reads the Article 15 to me. To my surprise, the only charge listed was the fact that I had been drinking while under 21. No mention of being up on the roof at all. My punishment was basically time served (see above about the right attitude), and I had to go to some AA meetings, and be on Antabuse for a while.

After reading charge of drinking underage, the captain asked me "Specialeest Bopper, iz there anything jou have to say for jourself?". I said "Ma'am, I can guarantee you that this will never, ever happen again". "Glad to hear it Specialeest Bopper".

In other words, I was telling her that I would never ever drink underage again, which was the absolute truth because I had just turned 21 years old the day before!

She hadn't a clue.

After we walked out of there, Buddha turned to me and said "Bopper, you got a pair of big brass ones".

Couple of post-scripts: One of the requirements was that I had to attend AA meetings. I actually showed up to a couple, and actually did the "homework", until I realized that because of the "first name only" ethos of AA, I could skip them because there is no attendance taken.

Also, it turns out that either the Antabuse dosage was too low, or that I'm one of the small percentage of people for whom it doesn't work: After about a month on it, I had a beer and I didn't get a reaction, so I started drinking again (though not to excess).

Wasn't one transfered to Ft. Bragg?

ram.1500: I was given 30 days of Correctional Custody (boot camp re-do), an Article 15 and a Section 8/Honorable Discharge.
/so I'm getting a kick out of this!

WTG, crazy man!
Thank you for your service, and I'm sorry it made you loopy.

highendmighty: Wasn't one transfered to Ft. Bragg?



Quite.

Army Training, Sir!

highendmighty: ram.1500: I was given 30 days of Correctional Custody (boot camp re-do), an Article 15 and a Section 8/Honorable Discharge.
/so I'm getting a kick out of this!

WTG, crazy man!
Thank you for your service, and I'm sorry it made you loopy.

Thanks and there's nothing wrong with a passive/aggresive personality disorder!! (ok, sometimes there is a problem)

Facetious_Speciest: dittybopper

When I was in Basic (1985), it was allowed...

You're old, gray hair. Boot had us so farked up that when we found a cigarette butt, we wondered if it was a trap.

/best way to quit smoking

Hey now, I was enlisted in 1980 and I'm not a gray hair!!
Old but no gray!!

ram.1500: Facetious_Speciest: dittybopper

When I was in Basic (1985), it was allowed...

You're old, gray hair. Boot had us so farked up that when we found a cigarette butt, we wondered if it was a trap.

/best way to quit smoking

Hey now, I was enlisted in 1980 and I'm not a gray hair!!
Old but no gray!!

He was joking on me because I have a Magua thing going on:



That's why he called me "gray hair", I bet.

dittybopper: ram.1500: Facetious_Speciest: dittybopper

When I was in Basic (1985), it was allowed...

You're old, gray hair. Boot had us so farked up that when we found a cigarette butt, we wondered if it was a trap.

/best way to quit smoking

Hey now, I was enlisted in 1980 and I'm not a gray hair!!
Old but no gray!!

He was joking on me because I have a Magua thing going on:



That's why he called me "gray hair", I bet.

Well, alrighty then!!

Maxor: It depends alot on the circumstances, where you are in your enlistment, and what exactly they decide to do to you. It also depends on how much you choose to fight it. If they take the article 15 from this they'll still likely end up with an honorable discharge and probably be offered reenlistment. .

You have got to be kidding. At least one of the "men" involved was in charge of the women whose privacy he was violating. That sort of abuse is a direct strike against the chain of command. At minimum he should be dishonorably discharged, and ideally he should be breaking rocks as well.

No woman serving with that asshole is ever safe, and they know it even if you don't. Throw the book at that sonofabiatch.

This is why we shouldn't let men in the military!

/Wait....what?

Looks like it was a sergeant and a specialist to me, dumbassmitter

Pernicious Q. Varmint:
You have got to be kidding. At least one of the "men" involved was in charge of the women whose privacy he was violating. That sort of abuse is a direct strike against the chain of command. At minimum he should be dishonorably discharged, and ideally he should be breaking rocks as well.

No woman serving with that asshole is ever safe, and they know it even if you don't. Throw the book at that sonofabiatch.

They have been "charged". That implies that Non Judicial Punishment is off the table (as it should be).

If they are indeed guilty, they will probably end up with a stay at the disciplinary barracks at Ft. Leavenworth, and dishonorable discharges.

Maxor: It depends alot on the circumstances, where you are in your enlistment, and what exactly they decide to do to you. It also depends on how much you choose to fight it. If they take the article 15 from this they'll still likely end up with an honorable discharge and probably be offered reenlistment. Though since it made national news I doubt it stops there. This is going before a court martial.

I've actually seen people get hit with a full fledged courtmartial be found guilty and still retire with full benfiets. That guy did take a serious beating though heavy pay docking and some extra duty, busted from senior master down to staff. Retired 3 years later as a tech.

I can only speak of my own experience. Enlisted USAF in 1980. Signed on for 6 yr. hitch w/security police for K9;recruiter was not informed of K9s' switch to law enforcement (or maybe he was). Could not swap over.
Went through basic and tech school at Lackland AFB, San Antonio. Took 6 wks. of Advanced Combat training, even though it was supposed to "closed" while I was in tech school. During last week of tech school, sent whole baggage home. 2 days later they informed me Combat school was re-opened and I was going for 6 wks.
Had to get someone to ship some clothing back to me. Only had O.D. greens to wear.
I was given orders to be stationed at Edwards AFB. Requested swap to Pease AFB, N.H. (it was ok'd) Throughout my tour in N.H. I was late/missed a few appointments. Received warnings, letters of rep, and finally an Article 15 and 30 days of correctional custody.
Upon arrival to C.C., master sgt. told me I could be out in 21 days on "good behavior". I was exemplory for 21 days. Walked in to the dorm and was told I was not being released. I proceeded to destroy the bunk area. The next day I went to the 1st shirt and requested a psych eval. I was granted a discharge.

dittybopper

That's why he called me "gray hair", I bet.

Indeed.

Was that wrong? Should I not have done that?

dittybopper:
He was joking on me because I have a Magua thing going on:
That's why he called me "gray hair", I bet.

Why do you hate the Gray Hair, Magua?

Difference between the National Guard and the Boy Scouts?

The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.

pechek: /Hotter than the Negev Desert

those be boys with long hair, biatch.

Wonder if any of the women allowed themselves to be filmed.

loserflame: dittybopper:
He was joking on me because I have a Magua thing going on:
That's why he called me "gray hair", I bet.

Why do you hate the Gray Hair, Magua?

biatch set me up!

It was common knowledge in AIT some of the Drills were banging each other/privates.

One particularly short/small one paid the price when the private didn't get her way and turned him in. I read about him in the post newspaper when they included information about the outcomes of some Courts Marshalls.

Took him from E-6 to E-4 and sent him on his way.

I still don't know what happened to the 1SG that was caught with a private in the shower of his home by his wife. Shame.