Dr. Mojo PhD: And if all the Ford parts are in a Chevy, literally makes it a Ford in a Chevy's body. So that's a failed analogy accidentally proving the opposite point you were trying to make.

Wrong. The title, insurance and registrations will all still read "Chevrolet."

kunibob: I've lost track of the number of times that colleagues have been talking to my tits in serious meetings.

*checks profile* "video game industiry", ahhh that explains a lot of it sadly.

industiry

industry, I can actually spell

Good on her, I say.

As several have already said, it was best that she got the hormone therapy before puberty. The fact of that course of action being taken probably saved her and her family a lot of physical, emotional, and financial hardship.

I'm about as straight as they come. I drink Miller High Life everyday after work. I think all dudes look the same and I can't even tell which ones chicks would think are good looking. That being said, there are some ignorant motherfarkers in this thread. Holy crap. There is a large continuum of sexuality. All the way from super straight to super gay to wanting to be the other sex. Who cares? All that anyone should care about is that no one chooses their sexual preference/identity. Just like I didn't choose to be straight, this person did not choose to be a transsexual.

Barry McCackiner: I'm about as straight as they come. I drink Miller High Life everyday after work. I think all dudes look the same and I can't even tell which ones chicks would think are good looking. That being said, there are some ignorant motherfarkers in this thread. Holy crap. There is a large continuum of sexuality. All the way from super straight to super gay to wanting to be the other sex. Who cares? All that anyone should care about is that no one chooses their sexual preference/identity. Just like I didn't choose to be straight, this person did not choose to be a transsexual.

Uh, I think I misspoke. I think I should have said she did not choose to be a transgender and so she did the things she did to be a transsexual to rectify that? Oh boy i'm confusing myself now. I just don't like to butcher the terms.

Barry McCackiner: I just don't like to butcher the terms.

No big deal, for the most part the terms are interchangable. Most people won't get in a huff if you call them one instead of the other.

WhyteRaven74: kunibob: I've lost track of the number of times that colleagues have been talking to my tits in serious meetings.

*checks profile* "video game industiry", ahhh that explains a lot of it sadly.

It does explain a lot of it, for sure, but I've also spoken to a pharmacist and a high-ranking government official who have to put up with the same thing on a regular basis. Makes me think it's in a lot of different careers. :(

Though, now that I think about it, I'm sure men have to deal with the opposite in female-dominated careers. I have a male friend who's a nurse, and he gets hassled a lot.

Barry McCackiner: There is a large continuum of sexuality. All the way from super straight to super gay to wanting to be the other sex. Who cares? All that anyone should care about is that no one chooses their sexual preference/identity. Just like I didn't choose to be straight, this person did not choose to be a transsexual.

To add to that statement, why would anyone willingly choose a lifestyle that might alienate friends and family, close doors of opportunity, and cause them to be shunned and discriminated against by a large portion of society, unless it was a biological imperative that they do so?

I see sexuality and orientation as no different from skin or eye color. You accept the cards you've been dealt, and go from there.

demonfaerie: Codyl: "Knuckle dragging" ? Really? That's all you have?

This poor boy is screwed up. I feel sorry for him. The fact is mom isn't being a mom and the meida calls him a her isn't helping.

I think the mom is, she took her child to a bunch of people in the psychology world, and they diagnosed Kim, and said was best for the child. The surgery and the hormone therapy wouldn't of went through if it wasn't for doctors approving it.

You know, my mom said the same thing about me. She said I was just fine until I visited a couple of doctors and "had this done to me." Despite the fact that I went to the doctors because I felt like I may be transsexual. So no, doctors did not do anything to her, she went to them with her parents because of what she already felt, for years before she went to a therapist. So don't be stupid. Doctors do not cause transsexuality, any more than an oncologist causes cancer or a heart doctor causes a cardiac event.

kunibob: I've also spoken to a pharmacist

Interesting the pharmacist bit, though it may have to do with where they work. I've talked with female pharmacists before and they never mentioned anything bad going on.

jenniferwillow: Doctors do not cause transsexuality, any more than an oncologist causes cancer or a heart doctor causes a cardiac event.

that's not what demonfaerie was claiming.

Darth Invictus: Barry McCackiner: There is a large continuum of sexuality. All the way from super straight to super gay to wanting to be the other sex. Who cares? All that anyone should care about is that no one chooses their sexual preference/identity. Just like I didn't choose to be straight, this person did not choose to be a transsexual.

To add to that statement, why would anyone willingly choose a lifestyle that might alienate friends and family, close doors of opportunity, and cause them to be shunned and discriminated against by a large portion of society, unless it was a biological imperative that they do so?

I see sexuality and orientation as no different from skin or eye color. You accept the cards you've been dealt, and go from there.

I can't believe it, people who actually have a clue...

+1 to both of you.

We didn't choose to be who we are..we just...are that way, and so is she.

/Transgendered

demonfaerie

Sex is in your pants,...


I'm not wearing any pants

/shouldn't have
//couldn't help it
///can't find pants

Creoena: I can't believe it, people who actually have a clue...

+1 to both of you.

We didn't choose to be who we are..we just...are that way, and so is she.

/Transgendered

Yeah my first +1, haha.

/I tend to lurk a lot

WhyteRaven74: demonfaerie was claiming.

Yeah, I was actually referring to codyl. The wine, I has been drinking it...

jenniferwillow: The wine, I has been drinking it...

hehe no worries :)

The underlying question is...

What will s/he look like in 10 years?

How about 20?

30, even?

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

Of course, there's this famous transsexual:


(careful...it's hot)

Caroline "Tula" Cossey (pops)

Now, try to tell me you wouldn't hit it...

Would I hit it?

HELL NO.

Yeah, above the waist looks good. But have you ever seen the vagina of a post-op tranny? It will make you barf. Don't believe me? There's a video of one on efukt.com. Search for "the vagina of a transexual."(NSFW by a long shot, farko)

geniusiknowit: Would I hit it?

HELL NO.

Yeah, above the waist looks good. But have you ever seen the vagina of a post-op tranny? It will make you barf. Don't believe me? There's a video of one on efukt.com. Search for "the vagina of a transexual."(NSFW by a long shot, farko)

I might look it up later, but do you know how old it is? Sexual reassignment surgeries have come a long way. Today they look exactly like if one was born with one, plus it depends on if you go to a good surgeon or not.

Verdelak: Well, I was on the fence as to the age at which this was done, but much of his argument helped to sway me fully to the side that this was the correct course of action. Your time was not totally wasted, if that makes anyone feel better.

It does, actually. And thanks to WhyteRaven, ColdFusion, kunibob, et al. -- I guess I made some impression, so it's nice to be appreciated for kicking people in the proverbial head.

HAMMERTOE: Wrong. The title, insurance and registrations will all still read "Chevrolet."

And that's totally irrelevant to the fact that it's still a Ford in a Chevy's body. It will also have the paint colour. Doesn't effect the Ford engine one bit.

katastrophe: /I'm an actual geneticist. Get the f*ck off my lawn.

Ooh, uh, I'm writing something and there's a geneticist character in it, can I use you for some minor research?

demonfaerie: geniusiknowit: Would I hit it?

HELL NO.

Yeah, above the waist looks good. But have you ever seen the vagina of a post-op tranny? It will make you barf. Don't believe me? There's a video of one on efukt.com. Search for "the vagina of a transexual."(NSFW by a long shot, farko)

I might look it up later, but do you know how old it is? Sexual reassignment surgeries have come a long way. Today they look exactly like if one was born with one, plus it depends on if you go to a good surgeon or not.

IDK dude.... I've had a lot of snatch in my face in my time. I bet I could tell the difference in a pepsi challenge.

Good on the kid and HER parents for helping her be what she was meant to be.Since some of you have a really good grasp of the subject matter, I have a question that is a bit tangential : How do transgenders handle telling/not telling potential partners about their gender change?

geniusiknowit: demonfaerie: geniusiknowit: Would I hit it?

HELL NO.

Yeah, above the waist looks good. But have you ever seen the vagina of a post-op tranny? It will make you barf. Don't believe me? There's a video of one on efukt.com. Search for "the vagina of a transexual."(NSFW by a long shot, farko)

I might look it up later, but do you know how old it is? Sexual reassignment surgeries have come a long way. Today they look exactly like if one was born with one, plus it depends on if you go to a good surgeon or not.

IDK dude.... I've had a lot of snatch in my face in my time. I bet I could tell the difference in a pepsi challenge.

Does it matter if one was natural made or man made? There are some women who prefer a dildo over a man and his penis any day, and no one thinks that is gross.

Phletchengreuber: Since some of you have a really good grasp of the subject matter, I have a question that is a bit tangential : How do transgenders handle telling/not telling potential partners about their gender change?

Well, funny story about that....

Last year I was in a really bad car accident, and had my right arm broken. Needless to say, I was on some really good pain meds, not to mention some beer and etc. Well I was really bored and lonely a few nights after the wreck, so I made an online profile on OKCupid. It's a really great site if you're looking to do the whole online dating thing BTW. So I end up one evening, in a very foggy haze, writing to a bunch of women on the site. And thus I meet my current girlfriend. The next day she writes back, I check my email, and I'm thinking "who the hell is this Sarah person? She sounds cool, but um..." Anyway, she and I start talking, I clue her in on to my less than sober demeanor the night before, we reintroduce ourselves, and start talking online.

So about a week goes by, we've been chitchatting, and I tell, while online, hey, "I've got something I'd like for you to see. Go here: http://www.fark.com/cgi/users.pl?login=jenniferwillow (new window) " So um, Fark is kind of how I came out to my girlfriend.

/She's sitting next to me and her statement at reading this was "Yes, and it went suprisingly well!"

would i hit it? i'm still debating. would i fap to it? hell yes, i would!

Creoena: I can't believe it, people who actually have a clue...

+1 to both of you.

We didn't choose to be who we are..we just...are that way, and so is she.

/Transgendered

Thank you! I find it difficult to understand all the hatred for LGBT folks.

I mean, for more people than many want to admit, LGBT folks are their brothers, sisters, cousins, and kids, for fark's sake. Almost every extended family, without exception (mine included), has at least one LGBT member.

/gay cousins, lesbian sister
//pride marches are tons of fun, even if you're straight

clusterfrak: Would hit it with or without the peener.

Yeah pretty much same here.

Dr. Mojo PhD: katastrophe: /I'm an actual geneticist. Get the f*ck off my lawn.

Ooh, uh, I'm writing something and there's a geneticist character in it, can I use you for some minor research?

Sure! Feel free to ask anything, I'd be happy to share the geekery with you.

demonfaerie: geniusiknowit: demonfaerie: geniusiknowit: Would I hit it?

HELL NO.

Yeah, above the waist looks good. But have you ever seen the vagina of a post-op tranny? It will make you barf. Don't believe me? There's a video of one on efukt.com. Search for "the vagina of a transexual."(NSFW by a long shot, farko)

I might look it up later, but do you know how old it is? Sexual reassignment surgeries have come a long way. Today they look exactly like if one was born with one, plus it depends on if you go to a good surgeon or not.

IDK dude.... I've had a lot of snatch in my face in my time. I bet I could tell the difference in a pepsi challenge.

Does it matter if one was natural made or man made? There are some women who prefer a dildo over a man and his penis any day, and no one thinks that is gross.

That's only because those women have never had my penis.

geniusiknowit: demonfaerie: geniusiknowit: demonfaerie: geniusiknowit: Would I hit it?

HELL NO.

Yeah, above the waist looks good. But have you ever seen the vagina of a post-op tranny? It will make you barf. Don't believe me? There's a video of one on efukt.com. Search for "the vagina of a transexual."(NSFW by a long shot, farko)

I might look it up later, but do you know how old it is? Sexual reassignment surgeries have come a long way. Today they look exactly like if one was born with one, plus it depends on if you go to a good surgeon or not.

IDK dude.... I've had a lot of snatch in my face in my time. I bet I could tell the difference in a pepsi challenge.

Does it matter if one was natural made or man made? There are some women who prefer a dildo over a man and his penis any day, and no one thinks that is gross.

That's only because those women have never had my penis.

So your saying that after if they had your penis, they would just stick to dildos forever?

Mole Man: Approve

/obscure to some?
//link hotter than the summer of 76
Begs to differ

/hotter than the Wild Thing

katastrophe: Dr. Mojo PhD, you are my hero...

You've exceeded the permissible length for slashy comments. I've filed complaints with OSHA, the union, and the HOA.

katastrophe: Sure! Feel free to ask anything, I'd be happy to share the geekery with you.

Thanks! I'll rifle off a little summary to your ultrafark, assuming its still hooked up to anything. Let me know what you think. I appreciate it -- I've had writer's block for a month.

Dr. Mojo PhD: UnspokenVoice: Not many sane people would agree with you thus you've "reached no one." Imagine that... You're basically saying that it is natural to want to call the Sun "The bright square shining black thing in the ground." No, no it isn't right, it isn't okay, it's people like you appeasing the mentally ill and encouraging more of it.

Uh huh. I like the strawman, too. It's also sort of ironic because it actually applies more to you -- like if a physicist said that the sun was a nuclear furnace converting hydrogen to helium, and you were all like "nuh-uh any common man can plainly see it's a great ball of fire and you just don't know what you're talking about." The whole anti-scientific rhetoric swaddled in some laughably pro-science strawman is ... I don't know, it's like that warm fuzzy feeling I get when I know a retarded child is going home without feces in his diapers.

Now, meat and potatoes time: Where did you get your MD in psychiatry? Where did you take your surgeon's specialization? What institute of higher learning conferred a PhD on psychology or physiology or biology on you?

Again, I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say "none". If I had to make a best guess, I'm going to say you've got a Bachelor's degree at most, and probably not in a scientific or critical field.

Which really leads me to the question, then, is how are you in any way fit to make diagnoses about the mentally ill and who does or does not fit into it?

Is there anything about your body you would change, if you could -- any sort of body dysmorphism at all? Do you have anything in your genetic heritage you do not identify with, say a racial heritage or something?

Don't bother answering, I know the answer is "yes". And hey, unlike your tortured invalid analogy strawman about the sun, there is actually a tautology here; since this is what transsexuals suffer from, dysmorphism and identity issues, hey, that makes you mentally ill by your own admission.

I see you don't actually address the question and you project a great deal... There are many things I could do to change my physical self and I can do so with relative ease. I don't even have corrective surgery on my eyes, start there and keep going.

You don't get it, you won't. It's okay - the irony is that you think you're either smarter or better when all you do is parrot what you are told to say. Don't project, I'm not even beautiful or anything, I'm pretty ugly, and I have no desire to change anything about me at all and that DOES include my faults. I have my share of physical faults, none of them are more than I am concerned about. I could get anything I wanted corrected, they have a surgery for anything I could desire pretty much.

Dr. Mojo PhD: Broom: I don't know you, but you are my new farking hero.

You go, girl or guy! Best doctor evah!

/ Happy hetero with peener, who thinks others' sex lives are their own business... unless they're sharing, in which case juicy tidbits are usually interesting!

Guy, hetero, (almost) married, no kids, dog, smoker, aged 25-39, white as the Irish (which makes sense, given), Canadian, etc.

All very vanilla. Learned to be threatened by threatening actions, no THE SCURRY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Person tries to run me over with car, threatening, person wants to remove their penis and live as a woman, very non-threatening. Never understood any other line of reasoning.

I think that there's just a lot of "I NO I HOPE I HAVEN'T SLEPT WITH A SECRET XY-WOMAN" penis shrinking Zionist robot comb style terror here.

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The President of Hittin' That Ass: Dr. Mojo PhD: Broom: I don't know you, but you are my new farking hero.

You go, girl or guy! Best doctor evah!

/ Happy hetero with peener, who thinks others' sex lives are their own business... unless they're sharing, in which case juicy tidbits are usually interesting!

Guy, hetero, (almost) married, no kids, dog, smoker, aged 25-39, white as the Irish (which makes sense, given), Canadian, etc.

All very vanilla. Learned to be threatened by threatening actions, no THE SCURRY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. Person tries to run me over with car, threatening, person wants to remove their penis and live as a woman, very non-threatening. Never understood any other line of reasoning.

I think that there's just a lot of "I NO I HOPE I HAVEN'T SLEPT WITH A SECRET XY-WOMAN" penis shrinking Zionist robot comb style terror here.

THREAD AWARD: Most baffling post.

This.

Meh.

Happy, um, installed vagina.

Christ, I dunno. I mean... there's only so much mileage in fake anything.

I'm gonna make a sammich.

You're right bunner, but she has the benefit of having gotten the alterations/drug therapies early, before normal maturation could have a strong effect on her body.

Had she waited til puberty was through with her, she would have been hard pressed to avoid the manly features, but I'm guessing she'll be as hot when she's 30 and 40 as any 16 year old who looks as cute as her would.

I imagine that was one of the factors the doctors weighed in performing it now rather than waiting.

Only looks female from a distance, zoom to the face, and bam, easy to recognize as a dude

Without the airbrushing..

Freak!

Hoopido: Pxtl: The emotional reaction to these undesired changes would be suicide.

So the problem is self correcting even. Solved.

Hey, thanks for confirming my opinion of you. It's great when the people who you think are ***holes go out of their way to prove it :)

HAMMERTOE: Dr. Mojo PhD: And if all the Ford parts are in a Chevy, literally makes it a Ford in a Chevy's body. So that's a failed analogy accidentally proving the opposite point you were trying to make.

Wrong. The title, insurance and registrations will all still read "Chevrolet."

Paperwork? You've compared "god's plan" or whatever it is you believe in to paperwork? Hilarious!

So by your logic, her Gender Identity Disorder and SRS meant nothing...she's still a boy. But if we get you a revised birth certificate, insurance and new ID that say "FEMALE", that would make YOU a girl!

I think you better rethink that argument. I don't think you said what you think you said :)

//Incidentally, that paperwork you seem so concerned with DOES get changed when you get SRS. Not that that makes a bit of difference to the actual topic we were discussing.

Nothing like yet another trans-story and the ensuing mean-spirited ignorant posters. All haters, please go back in your troll-holes, and renew your GROOBY subscriptions; you know what I'm talking about.

I concur with the supporters here about the choices made and permitted. If it's so ineffable and difficult to understand, how about a little compassion and forget the smaller of your two heads for a minute, men?

And if some things in the world just make you a little uncomfortable, just carry on with your own damn business, and say there but for the grace of god/allah/buddha go I.

mister aj: You elitist liberals make me sick. You think that just because you're "educated" on so-called "science" that you know what's RIGHT. The Bible trumps medical science EVERY TIME. Burn in hell, homofag.

Are you fakring kidding me? I hope you fakring die in a fire.