Can someone post a picture of the assailant? For, um, research purposes.

/Sun is blocked. So we will fap in the shade

What Kim may have looked like as Tim.

AirForceVet: Having met several transsexuals, both female-to-male and male-to-female, I find the ignorance and bigotry of some in this thread distrubing.



Fear not, by day on Fark they are posting "that's immoral" but tonight on 4chan they will be posting "I'd hit that with the fist of any angry god"

/preemptive

Dr. Mojo PhD: Does that comfort you, knowing a country that hangs 16-year-old girls by the neck from construction cranes until they're dead for the crime of farking outside marriage has more progressive view points on gender identity and transsexuality than you do?

Ilex: Apples01: If I want to hit that, does that mean I have teh ghey?



This person has a vagina. Would you hit it?

I wouldn't hit that, and I am a girl.

ewww.

cchris_39: Dr. Mojo PhD: Yes, how sick indeed. Two independent psychiatrists signed off on the fact that Kim is transsexual. How sick indeed. And what, per chance, is your medical or psychological background?

It's pretty farked up to give a 13 year old boy hormones to deny normal male puberty. You have no idea what might have happened then and neither do they. They're sick farks and I feel sorry for the kid.

But hey, let's pump your prepubescent tomboy daughter full of testosterone until she grows facial hair and never gets her period. I know 2 shrinks who will sign off on it.

I don't know, as a male I recall wanting to bang chicks by 11 or 12 before I reached puberty so I'm not sure how much difference puberty would have made for this chick. And sine I grew up in the sticks I know for a fact that just because a girl is a tomboy doesn't mean she has any question about her sexuality.

Dr. Mojo PhD, you are my hero.

/Came into the thread to deliver the scientific smackdown to the insecure, uneducated, hateful people in the thread. Glad you're clearing things up for them. Next time I hear someone define XY/XX as the sole determining factor in sex and gender, I'm going to smack them, or post a physiological molecular pathway in the thread, not sure which.
//I like how you are all so quick to reject her, when in reality, no one that attractive would ever want to date anyone of your caliber. Defensive, much?

Birth defect? Chromosome abnormality? Injury? Valid reason to mess with the person's sex with surgery. otherwise, they just need mental help. That boy is not a girl, will never be a real girl.

RemyDuron: Uh. . . 16? They gave her the operation at 16? What the fark? Unless there are some major extenuating circumstance, like the kid was a hermaphrodite and her parents chose one gender but she favored another, that seems pretty reckless and could backfire on the poor kid.

I'm not so sure about that. With something like this, the sooner the better. She's apparently been pretty sure about it her whole life, and began hormone therapy three years ago. Why make her wait? I would think waiting would do more damage.

simpsonfan: Birth defect? Chromosome abnormality? Injury? Valid reason to mess with the person's sex with surgery. otherwise, they just need mental help. That boy is not a girl, will never be a real girl.

Do you even know what a chromosomal abnormality might entail, though? Let's not just look at chromosomes on the whole, but the genes contained within them, and their expression patterns in conjunction with environmental factors. There are genetic, epigenetic, and environmental abnormalities that all can lead to the body developing as one sex and the brain developing as the other. It's just not as simple as you want it to be. Sex itself is determined fairly early on by a relatively small pathway compared to cerebral development, and there's no reason to assume they'd flawlessly work in conjunction. There are MANY biochemical reasons why this would happen. These are the reasons people are transgendered, and they tend to know their gender identity is wrong as soon as they are self-aware. It's always biological in nature, and that should be obvious to anyone who takes the time to talk to a transgendered person. It's not "mental", it's very much real.

Yes, her physical, external phenotype is always going to default to male unless she takes hormones to emulate that which the female body is normally subjected to. But it is well-documented and perfectly plausible that her brain developed as female while her body developed as male, which is certainly more than just a mental problem, it's hard-wired.

Sxooter: So, HAMMERTOE, a woman who never ovulates isn't ever a woman? A young girl who has her ovaries removed before puberty, but takes female hormones and develops otherwise as a woman, isn't a woman because she can't provide an egg for someone to fertilize?

Are all sterile women not women then? Do they stop being a woman at 50 something when they hit menopause?

XY != XX

It's written into every last cell of his body.

Put all the Ford parts on a Chevy you like. A surgical scar, no matter how pretty, is still nothing more than a surgical scar. Props, if you will. People get leopard-spot tattoos and fangs implanted; does that make them leopards? Of course not.

This is another example of self-indulgence taken to extremes.

feanturi: I'm not so sure about that. With something like this, the sooner the better. She's apparently been pretty sure about it her whole life, and began hormone therapy three years ago. Why make her wait? I would think waiting would do more damage.

Exactly. I have many trans friends, and there are far more difficulties if you wait into adulthood to get the operation. It's very hard to pass as female if you allow androgenic influence to preside for so long, because the facial features become obviously male if you do so. While there are plastic surgeries to help with this and feminize, they're pretty rough and don't work all that well. This isn't even to speak of the plasticity problems that come with aging. The sooner, the better -- these people pretty much always know that they're the opposite sex of what their body reflects, it isn't like they wake up when they're 13 and go, "ooh, I wanna be a girl!" You're totally right though, it's absolutely imperative to get it done early, certainly before puberty has taken its effects.

Seriously, NO ONE remembers this from before?

Link (new window)

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: I just dont get the whole act like a fake chick thing. I mean I am not a feminine woman. But I am not transgendered or anything. I act more like a guy but I have all the girly parts. I was looking on youtube and alot of the post surgery "girls" act like flamboyant drag queens. Real women act however they want and most of us dont run around like the fashion plates in magazines.

After meeting a M2F I have two theories:

a) They have some idea of what the ideal female looks like, and they try to emulate that. Maybe it's somewhat liberating to say "I'm a woman now, I'll never wear pants again".

b) they are so insecure about whether they really look female "enough", so that they won't wear anything that doesn't underline their female-ness.
I can be comfortable wearing slacks, because I *know* that I am female, and playing with masculine fashion motifs won't change that. But if a M2F feels the need to hide remnants of her masculinity, the last thing she'd do is wear fashion that alludes to masculinity.

Does that make sense to anyone but me?

so this means she is younger than the jonas brothers?

AR55: Apples01: If I want to hit that, does that mean I have teh ghey?

I would, of course, have to see her naked first before I decide, just to make sure everything was put together correctly.

Dude. She's still 16, this isn't a G8 summit There are rules!


/Hot.... like the trap in question.

rekoil:

Honest advice: befriend some gay women. Stereotypes aside, they tend to be a bit more, um, forgiving about your disdain for fashion and celebrity gossip.

/ Straight male, most of my friends are women and gay men
// Yeah, I'm you. Inverted.

Nah- morgantx's problem is that she enjoys hanging out with men, and their company is enjoyable because they want to fark her. People who want to fark you let tend to things slide- your jokes are funnier, conflict is quickly resolved... acting like the only female company available on earth is the gum-snapping fashionista variety is just a total cop-out. And moving to lesbians probably won't help with that.

/and they do all want to fark you
//and it's provable

rekoil:

Honest advice: befriend some gay women. Stereotypes aside, they tend to be a bit more, um, forgiving about your disdain for fashion and celebrity gossip.

/ Straight male, most of my friends are women and gay men
// Yeah, I'm you. Inverted.

Nah- morgantx's problem is that she enjoys hanging out with men, and their company is enjoyable because they want to fark her. People who want to fark you let tend to things slide- your jokes are funnier, conflict is quickly resolved... acting like the only female company available on earth is the gum-snapping fashionista variety is just a total cop-out. And moving to lesbians probably won't help with that.

/and they do all want to fark you
//and it's provable

Sorry wrong thread- here ya go



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Boberto: Unless one was also to agree that hanging 16-year old girls by their neck from construction cranes is progressive, your point is moot. Iran - the shining beacon of progressive policies.

I could bother to explain the point of using a regressive, reactionary regime being in full agreement with scientific and clinical research to illustrate how out of touch the "THE CORRECT PRONOUN IS IT!" people are, but I think it would go over your head.

UnspokenVoice: Abominations are amusing, that's it.

DURRRRRRR HURRRRRRRRRRR HURRRRRRRRRRRR.

Timmy the Tumor: Last year Iran's President also said that there is "no homosexuality" in his country. Unofficial reports suggest that anyone caught in same-gender relationships are punished and/or killed there.

So, is this fatwa that "permits" gender reassessment a way for Iran to address homosexuality? In other words, is it so f*cking archaic there, that if you happen to be a homosexual man, the only way you can hope to survive is to undergo surgery?

It's a mercurial area. After Thailand, Iran is the largest performer of sex reassignment surgery in the world. The fatwa on transsexuality and transgenderism does not ostensibly apply to homosexuality. Its content and context clearly states that SRS is only available for diagnosed transsexuals. Separate laws govern homosexuals, and the punishments are quite dire.

It's clear, however, that it is suggested that homosexuals in Iran use Iran's lenient view on transsexualism as an escape from the country's harsh laws on homosexuality.

It's, again, a far less than ideal situation if true because gay men don't want to be women with a partner who is attracted to women, they want to be men with a partner who is attracted to men. It spares them their life, at the cost of their mental health.

cchris_39: It's pretty farked up to give a 13 year old boy hormones to deny normal male puberty. You have no idea what might have happened then and neither do they. They're sick farks and I feel sorry for the kid.

Yes, we do not what will happen. Their sex characteristics will be suppressed, which is the ideal in this situation. The gonads will become more manageable, the secondary sex organs will not develop, the secondary sex characteristics will be repressed -- they will not grow body hair in typically male areas, the body odor will not be as strong, the hips will broaden instead of the shoulders, muscle mass and density will not increase as much, the voice will not break and deepen as much, bone mass will not increase as much, there will be more fat deposits, and they will grow breasts.

That is what will happen with hormone therapy. I know it, and they know it. The only person who doesn't know it is you.

But hey, let's pump your prepubescent tomboy daughter full of testosterone until she grows facial hair and never gets her period. I know 2 shrinks who will sign off on it.

As somebody who has almost exclusively favoured dating tomboys in my life, I can pretty confidently say that your average tomboy doesn't identify as a man, doesn't want to be a man, isn't a lesbian, and -- this is why I date them -- they're actually far more sensitive and feminine than any of the lipstick-mouthed shovelfaces I've ever seen.

So hey, not only are you clueless about transsexuality, you're also inexperienced with women.

But you know what? If my 46, XX or 47, XXX daughter has identified as a male -- identified as, not merely with -- since the age of 2, desires to be a man, feels trapped in an incorrect body, and is transsexual, I would make sure she got the hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery she needed.

Of course, I actually think I'd be a good, supportive parent. You, on the other hand, think tomboys are dykes who want to be boys.

simpsonfan: Birth defect? Chromosome abnormality? Injury? Valid reason to mess with the person's sex with surgery. otherwise, they just need mental help. That boy is not a girl, will never be a real girl.

qv. HURR DURR et al.

katastrophe: Dr. Mojo PhD, you are my hero.

And yet I get the sneaky feeling I've reached no one.

simpsonfan: Birth defect? Chromosome abnormality? Injury? Valid reason to mess with the person's sex with surgery. otherwise, they just need mental help. That boy is not a girl, will never be a real girl.

I have seen her on German TV pre- and post-OP and as far as I can tell she's just a girl. You would never guess she was a boy if you didn't know.

heinekev: buk110: He's really cute...


Shame it's just another homosexual that wanted to be the catcher rather than the pitcher....He's a very talented popstar I'm sure

But you know what - it's a slap in the face to God the almighty. For the Bible says we are here on this earth to have children. To do this is an abomination - and he will burn in the eternal flames of hell for all time...

What a sick sick person he is

gay bash
religious overtones
intolerance

6/10, strong effort

i give it a 3/10. higher scores for quoting actual scripture.

Dr. Mojo PhD: RemyDuron: 16. I have no problem with sex changes, but I think that is too young. Too much potential for something to change. There's a reason it's generally harder to diagnose young people with certain psychological conditions.


And yet transsexuality is not one of those conditions. Transsexuals universally identify as the opposite gender from day 1. This isn't a mere whim. Transsexuality isn't homosexuality, it's not about attraction, it's about identity. This isn't college experimentation or two lipstick lesbians making out to get you hard. It's not hermaphrodism.

The fact of the matter is, any and all transsexuals will identify as the opposite physical gender. There's not even a counter-argument there -- barring actual mental illness, a person doesn't just wake up and say they're a woman when they were born with testes and a penis. And, of course, that's precisely why psychiatrists and physicians administer a battery of tests to ensure that the person actually is transgendered and not mentally ill.

The surgery and procedures should be performed as early as possible, especially for the health of the transsexual. Fighting the body's natural hormones isn't as healthy as redirecting those hormones, and the primary and secondary sex characteristics forming the adult body are difficult to reverse; for the transsexual's mental health and stability its better to nip that in the bud than it is to permit a mixing of sex characteristics or to allow the sex characteristics to develop fully. It also requires less surgery to do so.

As for the age of the surgery, what's the problem? Post-natal infants undergo procedures if they're considered life-saving. Children and teens undergo life saving procedures. Would you object to a radical nephrectomy if Kim had metastatic renal carcinoma? Is she too young for that, too? Or does only physical health matter?

Yeah, forget the mental strain it will put on her. Forget suicidal ideations, depression, bullying, persecution. Forget anxiety, mood swings, and a general inability to fit in. Forget the fact that attracting a mate -- one of the primary biological imperatives -- becomes nigh impossible because transsexual men do not desire homosexual men or heterosexual woman. Forget all that mental and consequently, according to massive amounts of research, physical strain it will put on her even if she does consider suicide. The relatively harmless procedure that may save her life and give a fully realised sovereign moral agent piece of mind and a place in the world is wrong because she's 16 and not 18, a total whopping difference of a maximum of 731 days if the transsexual's birthday between those ages happens to fall on a leap year.

After all, so much can change in 731 days. A person who grows up a girl, identifies as a girl since as far back as they can remember self-identification, for 16 years, is going to change her mind in the span of a little more than 100 weeks.

She's only been alive for 5844 days (again accounting for leap years), identifying as a woman even before the onset of those horribly confusing puberty symptoms we all went through. You know, all those wet dreams, breaking voices, awkward hair growth and the sudden and sporadic desire for a vagina. I mean, when you take that into account, she really should wait till she's 18, right?

I'm sure the additional 11.1% of her lifespan she has to reflect on why she's wanted to be a woman her entire life will suddenly make her wipe her brow and go "phew, I'm glad I waited all these years to come to the exact same condition, only will now have to undergo corrective cosmetic surgery to alter all these changes to my body which would not have happened to me if I'd just gotten the operation two years ago. The additional invasive medical procedures, expenses, recovery time, mental strain and fatigue, persecution, loneliness, and depression sure were worth it to assure my anonymous internet critics that I really do want to be a woman, because it really does sort of seem like deciding what you should major in in college -- with us teenagers ...

Dr. Mojo PhD: Epsilon: I'm skeptical about that. I'm not a doctor, but common sense tells me it's unwise to do such a radical surgical procedure on someone who is not fully physically matured.

Yeah, well that's your problem, isn't it? The whole point of sex reassignment is to give the transsexual person some peace of mind. To give them a body that they identify with. The sooner it is performed, the better. You think it's wise to let them mature into a fully sexualized male or female body, then do the operation?

That's the surgical equivalent of letting a tumor grow to its most malignant size before removing it. It virtually defeats the entire purpose of the surgery in the first place.

Most responsible plastic surgeons discourage girls under 18 from even getting breast implants, for the reason that they're still growing and it's difficult to predict how their future growth might adversely affect them post-op.

And most responsible plastic surgeons will perform breast reductions on girls who have breasts so large as to cause chronic pain. Most responsible plastic surgeons will perform an implant or reduction on girls who have lobsided breasts. Most responsible plastic surgeons will perform breast reduction on teenage men with severe gynecomastia. Most responsible plastic surgeons will perform facial reconstruction and skin grafting on child burn victims. Most responsible plastic surgeons will perform any operation which is therapeutic to the patient.

What you're doing is equivocating. You're assuming that cosmetic = plastic = elective surgery. You're not differentiating between Marsha wanting bigger boobs because Marsha wants all the boys and Marsha wanting bigger boobs because one is an A cup and the other is a C cup. You're assuming sexual reassignment surgery is the same thing as a rhinoplasty to fix a Roman nose.

Oh hey, guess what: It's not. While it involves external, cosmetic changes it is most definitely done for a reason.

Sex change operations should be viewed with even more careful analysis in teenagers. The potential for unwanted side effects seems awfully risky. Wouldn't it be better if they waited a few years?

Unwanted side-effects like what? What unwanted side-effects are you imagining? It's not like their penis grows back after the surgery. Are you dropping medical buzzwords to advance your point or do you actually understand what you're talking about?

What could happen to a 16-year-old that couldn't happen to an 18-year-old during SRS? They grow a second head?

Here's the reality: The older they get, the less plastic they get. They're less malleable, and the changes their bodies undergo are far more set in stone. It's far more invasive, and therefore dangerous, to the person to wait. It's far less invasive to intervene early, perform a few treatments, and let nature take it the rest of way. Anything else is in your imagination.

I just wanted to quote these to see how long of a post I could make.

IMHO: Who cares, let people do what they want.

Currently hot? Check

Currently no penis? Check

What's the problem here?

This was not the definition of sex swap I was looking for

/dang you, subby

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: I just wanted to quote these to see how long of a post I could make.

What, putting your fingers next to a line break and counting in your head only comes up next week in school?

Dr. Mojo PhD: And yet I get the sneaky feeling I've reached no one.

People are never going to admit that they're unknowledgeable about something, in particular, something that they're irrationally afraid of. I could give them a thousand scientific papers proving them wrong, and it wouldn't matter, because they feel uncomfortable and would rather lash out at others and continue being hateful than admit that they're incorrect. It feels better on their part to get angry and spew hateful language than have to confront their discomfort face-on. Quite pitiful and childish, really.

But, don't feel bad. The day that people change their misinformed, outlandish opinions because of a well-reasoned argument on Fark, I'll know for certain that hell has frozen over.

*reads TFA*

...oh. That's not what they meant by sex swap.

katastrophe: People are never going to admit that they're unknowledgeable about something, in particular, something that they're irrationally afraid of. I could give them a thousand scientific papers proving them wrong, and it wouldn't matter, because they feel uncomfortable and would rather lash out at others and continue being hateful than admit that they're incorrect. It feels better on their part to get angry and spew hateful language than have to confront their discomfort face-on. Quite pitiful and childish, really.

Haha, yeah. I always take comfort in that study that showed unknowledgeable feel more knowledgeable than they actually are. Not because it reinforces anything for me, but if you couple it with some well-reasoned argument you just know somewhere it's striking a nerve, their testicles are retracting, their back is against the wall, they're seething from embarrassment and there's nothing they can do about it.

But, don't feel bad. The day that people change their misinformed, outlandish opinions because of a well-reasoned argument on Fark, I'll know for certain that hell has frozen over.

Let's be realistic here... either that or you're far, far more optimistic than I am.

Bondith: *reads TFA*

...oh. That's not what they meant by sex swap.

Good to know I wasn't the only one that had that first impression.

The haters are just self-righteous think-they-know-it-alls. For some reason there's this obsession with the idea that children can't make choices, or that parents aren't allowed to make serious decisions for their children and that they have to wait until the kid is 18 when he/she is magically old enough to decide.

There was an episode of Nip/Tuck in which they were debating whether to correct a baby's hand deformity. Eventually, the mom was convinced to not allow doctors to perform it and wait until the kid grew up, thanks to junk scientific studies suggesting that babies remembered the pain of surgeries. In the show's sci-fi surgery world, they eventually gave the boy a normal hand when he was grown up, 20 years later. Hopefully, in 20 years we will actually have the ability to surgically correct almost any birth defect but for now, if you want to fix something, you need to do it early. Waiting until the child is grown is luxury that medical science just doesn't provide.

As for the girl in the article, it would have been totally wrong to force her to wait until after male puberty kicks in, giving her a man's face, height, bone structure, and deep voice. I'm sorry if you can't get past the fact that you think transgenderism is weird, but don't force your opinions on those who have to deal with it personally.

cchris_39: Dr. Mojo PhD: Yes, how sick indeed. Two independent psychiatrists signed off on the fact that Kim is transsexual. How sick indeed. And what, per chance, is your medical or psychological background?

It's pretty farked up to give a 13 year old boy hormones to deny normal male puberty. You have no idea what might have happened then and neither do they. They're sick farks and I feel sorry for the kid.

But hey, let's pump your prepubescent tomboy daughter full of testosterone until she grows facial hair and never gets her period. I know 2 shrinks who will sign off on it.


There are documented cases of "boys" in the same situation that she was in harming themselves or outright killing themselves as their body changed into something they hated.

If it is the best thing for the child then good for them. In this case it clearly appears to be.

Also, just for the thread's reference. Even sex determination is not as simple a pathway as everyone is suggesting. This is a bare outline of it, only including the most significant molecules and anatomical featurs. There are documented mistakes at every single step in this pathway that take place in humans, some more common than others. A Y chromosome is important because it has the SRY gene, which can be translocated to an X in meiosis and yield an XX female. If you have a Y with no SRY gene, you'll get an XY female. Gender determination probably involves 10 times the number of genes, if not more. It is just not as simple as everyone wants it to be.

Dr. Mojo PhD: Haha, yeah. I always take comfort in that study that showed unknowledgeable feel more knowledgeable than they actually are. Not because it reinforces anything for me, but if you couple it with some well-reasoned argument you just know somewhere it's striking a nerve, their testicles are retracting, their back is against the wall, they're seething from embarrassment and there's nothing they can do about it.

Yeah, I just take pleasure in cornering angry, ill-informed people with evidence that they can't refute. I know they won't change their minds, but it sure is fun to watch them squirm.

adhamh:


good lord. is that it? i would totally hit it.

Miggity: adhamh:


good lord. is that it? i would totally hit it.



Pictures are really worth 2 words in this case.

I would also like to point out that gender is not the cut and dry subject that many of the people here seem to think it is

http://www.carolguze.com/text/442-6-sexual_differentiation.shtml

http://www.gender.org.uk/about/05devel/52_imper.htm

and look up huevos en doce

it is a condition where little girls turn into men at puberty.

Then you have gynecomastia where some men grow breasts. I have it, and so does http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_Johnson AKA the rock. He had surgery to get rid of his, I am poor so I still have mine.

Renowned transvestite sexologist: /Wearing a beak and putting feathers up my ass doesn't make me a chicken.

Pics or it didn't happen.

child abuse.

atomic-age: Ilex: Apples01: If I want to hit that, does that mean I have teh ghey?



This person has a vagina. Would you hit it?

I wouldn't hit that, and I am a girl.

ewww.

I would, vaginas don't scare me.

Dr. Mojo PhD: And yet I get the sneaky feeling I've reached no one.

Not many sane people would agree with you thus you've "reached no one." Imagine that... You're basically saying that it is natural to want to call the Sun "The bright square shining black thing in the ground." No, no it isn't right, it isn't okay, it's people like you appeasing the mentally ill and encouraging more of it.

But, that's okay... You can think and feel that way, I don't mind. Personal freedom, choices, etc... They're all good. You can make the choice to accept abominations or you can not worry about being politically correct and you can be honest with yourself and those around you.

My rule is simple:

If the person is cute, not too hairy, and has an orifice aside from the anus where I can make the sex with them, then I don't care what they were before I met them.

Some of you are so judgmental! An attractive person is an attractive person, and their gender history only matters when it affects their personality and behavior.

If it acts like a cute girl, and looks like a cute girl, and makes love like a cute girl, then it must be a cute girl.

ZeroCorpse: My rule is simple:

If the person is cute, not too hairy, and has an orifice aside from the anus where I can make the sex with them, then I don't care what they were before I met them.

Some of you are so judgmental! An attractive person is an attractive person, and their gender history only matters when it affects their personality and behavior.

If it acts like a cute girl, and looks like a cute girl, and makes love like a cute girl, then it must be a cute girl.

you sir, are a homo... nttiawwt

ZeroCorpse: My rule is simple:

If the person is cute, not too hairy, and has an orifice aside from the anus where I can make the sex with them, then I don't care what they were before I met them.

Some of you are so judgmental! An attractive person is an attractive person, and their gender history only matters when it affects their personality and behavior.

If it acts like a cute girl, and looks like a cute girl, and makes love like a cute girl, then it must be a cute girl.

FAG

RemyDuron
Uh. . . 16? They gave her the operation at 16? What the fark? Unless there are some major extenuating circumstance, like the kid was a hermaphrodite and her parents chose one gender but she favored another, that seems pretty reckless and could backfire on the poor kid.

Backfire indeed. If the kid's just an attention whore, he/she just Darwin'ed herself/himself out of the gene pool.

Dr. Mojo PhD: I don't know you, but you are my new farking hero.

You go, girl or guy! Best doctor evah!

/ Happy hetero with peener, who thinks others' sex lives are their own business... unless they're sharing, in which case juicy tidbits are usually interesting!

dcigary: Holy Tapdancing Jeebus WTF is that NEXT to her?!?!

That's the gal that had the sex change.