mister aj: Dr. Mojo PhD: Epsilon: That's gross. Do you know what guys end up with when they get a sex change? A smelly, bacteria breeding, dry cavity. You want to put your d*ck into that? I'd rather choke on my own vomit.

Uh, yeah. Not so much. It takes about three seconds on Google for anyone to discover that a mucous membrane is transferred to the neovagina during a vaginoplasty. Additionally, Cowper's gland is left intact. Cowper's gland is the homologue to Bartholin's gland in women, the primary source of lubrication in women. The neovagina is capable of secretions roughly analogous to a genetically female vagina. The presence of mucous membranes additionally protect from bacteria, naturally, and therefore would reduce and supposed smell.

That's Google for you. I could bust out my Psych 101 textbook -- something anybody can get at any post-secondary institute, really -- pop the chapter on sexual identity and sex reassignment, and explain how grossly wrong you are, but hey. I'm sure you love propagating what is essentially the modern day version of Jim Crow.
You elitist liberals make me sick. You think that just because you're "educated" on so-called "science" that you know what's RIGHT. The Bible trumps medical science EVERY TIME. Burn in hell, homofag.

Having just read your profile, you exist solely to take an opposite side to things so you can make people angry and chuckle about it. As was said before, your troll-fu sucks.

This is really an oddball case since she started gene therapy right as she hit puberty. So we have mutilated male genitalia, but otherwise female secondary sexual development from my completely uninformed guess.

Before


After

Dr. Mojo PhD: Epsilon: I'm skeptical about that. I'm not a doctor, but common sense tells me it's unwise to do such a radical surgical procedure on someone who is not fully physically matured.

Yeah, well that's your problem, isn't it? The whole point of sex reassignment is to give the transsexual person some peace of mind. To give them a body that they identify with. The sooner it is performed, the better. You think it's wise to let them mature into a fully sexualized male or female body, then do the operation?

That's the surgical equivalent of letting a tumor grow to its most malignant size before removing it. It virtually defeats the entire purpose of the surgery in the first place.

Most responsible plastic surgeons discourage girls under 18 from even getting breast implants, for the reason that they're still growing and it's difficult to predict how their future growth might adversely affect them post-op.

And most responsible plastic surgeons will perform breast reductions on girls who have breasts so large as to cause chronic pain. Most responsible plastic surgeons will perform an implant or reduction on girls who have lobsided breasts. Most responsible plastic surgeons will perform breast reduction on teenage men with severe gynecomastia. Most responsible plastic surgeons will perform facial reconstruction and skin grafting on child burn victims. Most responsible plastic surgeons will perform any operation which is therapeutic to the patient.

What you're doing is equivocating. You're assuming that cosmetic = plastic = elective surgery. You're not differentiating between Marsha wanting bigger boobs because Marsha wants all the boys and Marsha wanting bigger boobs because one is an A cup and the other is a C cup. You're assuming sexual reassignment surgery is the same thing as a rhinoplasty to fix a Roman nose.

Oh hey, guess what: It's not. While it involves external, cosmetic changes it is most definitely done for a reason.

Sex change operations should be viewed with even more careful analysis in teenagers. The potential for unwanted side effects seems awfully risky. Wouldn't it be better if they waited a few years?

Unwanted side-effects like what? What unwanted side-effects are you imagining? It's not like their penis grows back after the surgery. Are you dropping medical buzzwords to advance your point or do you actually understand what you're talking about?

What could happen to a 16-year-old that couldn't happen to an 18-year-old during SRS? They grow a second head?

Here's the reality: The older they get, the less plastic they get. They're less malleable, and the changes their bodies undergo are far more set in stone. It's far more invasive, and therefore dangerous, to the person to wait. It's far less invasive to intervene early, perform a few treatments, and let nature take it the rest of way. Anything else is in your imagination.

ftfy
/sorry, couldn't resist :p

dcigary: Holy Tapdancing Jeebus WTF is that NEXT to her?!?!

Faye Dunaway well after Bonnie and Clyde.

Dr. Mojo PhD: RemyDuron: Uh. . . 16? They gave her the operation at 16? What the fark? Unless there are some major extenuating circumstance, like the kid was a hermaphrodite and her parents chose one gender but she favored another, that seems pretty reckless and could backfire on the poor kid.

cchris_39: Agreed - and apparently they started on her on hormones at 13 to suppress the testosterone surge.

Really sick stuff.

Yes, how sick indeed. Two independent psychiatrists signed off on the fact that Kim is transsexual. How sick indeed. And what, per chance, is your medical or psychological background?

I'm going to guess none. But I'm glad you two non-experts have concurring opinions. Tell me, what do you do for a living? I'll be sure to call you for advice to whatever isn't related to that field, because I'm sure you two have the frankest and greatest advice to dispense.

You know, it's funny. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini long ago issued a fatwa permitting transsexual operations, and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei confirmed this fatwa. It's long since percolated to other clerical and governmental institutions in Iran.

Does that comfort you, knowing a country that hangs 16-year-old girls by the neck from construction cranes until they're dead for the crime of farking outside marriage has more progressive view points on gender identity and transsexuality than you do?

Unless one was also to agree that hanging 16-year old girls by their neck from construction cranes is progressive, your point is moot. Iran - the shining beacon of progressive policies.

cchris_39: RemyDuron: Uh. . . 16? They gave her the operation at 16? What the fark? Unless there are some major extenuating circumstance, like the kid was a hermaphrodite and her parents chose one gender but she favored another, that seems pretty reckless and could backfire on the poor kid.

Agreed - and apparently they started on her on hormones at 13 to suppress the testosterone surge.

Really sick stuff.

Biblically, 13 is old enough to get married or be thrown to a mob as a sex toy in Sodom to keep your guests from being disturbed.

/Couldn't an Angel have defended itself?
//Nothing does the sick like some good 'ol OT shiat

The only question about gender reassignment is whether you want to be a freak on the inside, or a freak on the outside.

Even with FAPTurbo... I can't do it.

I think more sex changes should be done before the onset of puberty.

Most of them end up looking like that Wachowski brother (now sister, I guess).

There are some who call me.... Tim

12349876: Apples01: If I want to hit that, does that mean I have teh ghey?

depends on whether the ditch has been dug or not.

but but if it has a wiener it can't fake an orgasm...

cchris_39: RemyDuron: Uh. . . 16? They gave her the operation at 16? What the fark? Unless there are some major extenuating circumstance, like the kid was a hermaphrodite and her parents chose one gender but she favored another, that seems pretty reckless and could backfire on the poor kid.

Agreed - and apparently they started on her on hormones at 13 to suppress the testosterone surge.

Really sick stuff.

Maybe. On the other hand (just playing devil's advocate) if s/he still wanted to be a woman at 18, then the body would have gone through a lot of changes that would be hard to reverse/overcome - something s/he avoided this way by changing early.

/not sure this is right or wrong. Just interesting.

featherspy: I looked up her music and it's auto-tuned all to hell. Have to wait for her second single, but for now I'm giving her a thumbs down despite how cute she is.

I really hope this auto-tune garbage goes away soon.

Link for anyone who wants to listen.

Sounds like Brooke Hogan. Looks more feminine than Brooke also.

Grass Hopper: cchris_39: RemyDuron: Uh. . . 16? They gave her the operation at 16? What the fark? Unless there are some major extenuating circumstance, like the kid was a hermaphrodite and her parents chose one gender but she favored another, that seems pretty reckless and could backfire on the poor kid.

Agreed - and apparently they started on her on hormones at 13 to suppress the testosterone surge.

Really sick stuff.

Maybe. On the other hand (just playing devil's advocate) if s/he still wanted to be a woman at 18, then the body would have gone through a lot of changes that would be hard to reverse/overcome - something s/he avoided this way by changing early.

/not sure this is right or wrong. Just interesting.

Not really. The hormones should have stopped that. The real argument I suppose is "whats the magic number at which a human being can accept responsibility for their actions".

The answer seems to vary quite a deal :O

Hick: spidermann: I think her Mummy is wrapped a bit too tight.

Otherwise...yes, would hit it, blah blah...

Mum looks like the witch in L4D.

and give k/tim another 30 years and that is what "it" would look like

Your Average Witty Fark User: You know you'd stick it in her ass. Anyone who denies it is a liar, or a woman.

Her hairy ass. Yikes, no.

EZ Writer: Even with FAPTurbo... I can't do it.

Away, spammer!

So they had two girls and were thrilled when they finally got a boy?

Linetrap FTW, thank you.

fudgefactor7: Linetrap FTW, thank you.

LowbrowDeluxe: I have high hopes that in another 50-75 years issues like this will be considered trivial. Sooner or later we're going to hit a biomedical breakthrough that will make the question of what is human the burning question of the day, and all this will be seen as the trivial window dressing that it is. I truly hope to live long enough to see the same people who this gives fits of apoplexy keel over dead screaming in vain. All your confusion, bigotry, and general neanderthal idiocy will be as obsolete as an 8-track player, but I imagine that like the 8-track you'll just switch channels but be playing the same outdated tune.

Newsletter.

Vash's Apprentice: ftfy
/sorry, couldn't resist :p

Did it even occur in that pea brain of yours to just quote the one line your moron picture went with?

"I have two older sisters, Anna, 26, and Sina, 18.

Someone, find pictures of the sisters who are both of legal age and have real vaginas. Hopefully they don't look like the mum though *GASP*.

First



then

I'm glad this kid had a lot of support. One of my boys get hassled regularly for having a Dora doll to sleep with. But only from older boys, when in groups. But, younger boys, girls, or older boys not in a pack are all okay with it. He's a pretty good kid, so if someone wants to be a loser, he's got plenty of other friends to replace losers with.

OTOH, when I was little, I loved Speed Racer, wanted to be Capt. Kirk, and refused to wear dresses. Ok, all those things still apply. But, I just became known as the neighborhood crazy lady.

This reminds me of when I was in college and the song "Mmmbop" by Hanson was all the rage.

My roommate saw the video and said "You know, she doesn't really have tits yet but that chick singer is pretty hot."

I told him that the "she" was a he and he shrugged and said, "okay, three beers then."

Do you remember that website years ago?
It was like, a picture of Britney Spears,
and then they revealed it was actually a
dude. And then showed pictures of that dude.
Anyway, that was hot.

you go, girl!



Why, though, does she need to dress and pose like a little f*cktoy in every post-op picture?

1. We have enough whore 16-year olds who can't sing making money (take a peek at Miley's latest photo shoot--nice boots)

2. Tough to refute that someone (Mom the "jazz singer," who never made a name for herself, perhaps?) is trying to cash in on her by exploiting the transgender issues and snaring dirty old men in the process

3. Otherwise, someone should have mentioned that you don't have to be female to be an attention whore

Missed it by 4 years

I really can't believe how may guys are in here saying they'd hit a tranny. Wtf? Can't get a real woman? You do realize there are plenty of actual women out there with real vaginas, right?

/anyone who would hit a tranny is gay

OnmyojiOmn: Bill approves.

Who is that? If that's a man or transgender, I have to rethink my attitude in life.

huntercr: OnmyojiOmn: Bill approves.

Who is that? If that's a man or transgender, I have to rethink my attitude in life.

Tokyo Pop I believe, him and and his less sexy brother are also from Germany

I just dont get the whole act like a fake chick thing. I mean I am not a feminine woman. But I am not transgendered or anything. I act more like a guy but I have all the girly parts. I was looking on youtube and alot of the post surgery "girls" act like flamboyant drag queens. Real women act however they want and most of us dont run around like the fashion plates in magazines.

Where are the pills that make them cramp and bloat? And at the age of 50 do they stop taking the hormones and get facial hair like the rest of us? Just saying, its like being a Barbie without the real life problems attached to it. I can understand the whole I dont feel good in my body thing. But all the women in the world are not straight out of 17 magazine either. Prancing around and have lisps. My voice is deep so what..sheesh. Stop being fake and be yourself.

This is not a dig im just sayin

Good for her. As for the rest of the bigots and Deliverance rejects, you can go suck a big old dick and shut the fark up. You're definitely not worth engaging in any sort of intellectual debate about the topic.

/wishes she could have started at 13
//this trap is dangerous, do not provoke
///the rapture has been cancelled, please kill yourselves instead

Dr. Mojo PhD: Does that comfort you, knowing a country that hangs 16-year-old girls by the neck from construction cranes until they're dead for the crime of farking outside marriage has more progressive view points on gender identity and transsexuality than you do?

Why yes, yes it does. Why do you ask? Maybe that *they* think that this is acceptable is a good indicator?

Wash the sand out of your vagina (or newly created hole).

Abominations are amusing, that's it.

That being said, I like amusement. I'd have a meat slinging contest with it.

phestry: Good for her. As for the rest of the bigots and Deliverance rejects, you can go suck a big old dick and shut the fark up. You're definitely not worth engaging in any sort of intellectual debate about the topic.

/wishes she could have started at 13
//this trap is dangerous, do not provoke
///the rapture has been cancelled, please kill yourselves instead

Wow, the Troll-Fu is weak with this one.

2.5/10

I think she makes a very cute girl.

Crudbucket: dcigary: Holy Tapdancing Jeebus WTF is that NEXT to her?!?!

That is a middle-aged jazz vocalist.

/stay away
//stay far away
///I play jazz, so I know
////frighteningly, she's one of the better looking ones

Doesn't resemble a boy at all. With a lot of sex changes, the female still looks a lot like the man they once were. He/She/It looks pretty hot. Perhaps the fact this person was still in their teens when they had it done helps (before he got his pubes).

ambercat: morgantx: Savoir-Faire: You know, if I could change, I would. It seems to me that the ladies really have it, at least while they're young. They're just so crushingly beautiful, I can't comprehend it. I'd have to be attractive though.

More that that, really, is I have convinced myself that women can do what they want and men cannot. I'm so constrained by the conventions of masculinity that I can't have fun or live in the moment. So much seems unattainable. I just don't understand how they manage to have so much fun.

It's probably all in my head.

It's all in your head. I'm a girl who greatly prefers the company and friendship of men. Women are petty and cruel. You can't just dress however you want to around women or else you'll be the butt of all their jokes and you'll be outcast and ostracized permanently. You can't do anything different or step outside the lines. You can't laugh too loud or sit comfortably or play rough or have any fun.

And in my waning years, when the lines start to show on my face and my breasts begin to succumb to gravity (as they inevitably will), I'll be that hideous old woman down the street that nobody wants to even visit, whereas my husband can get fat, wrinkled, and crotchety, and everyone will still think he's pretty cool. Aging is harder on women than it will ever be for men.

All women aren't like that, though. There are plenty of tomboys and tomgeeks out there that don't act like that at all. Maybe you should stop accepting women who act like that because you think it is 'normal' and 'all' women do it, and try to make better female friends.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have guy friends. But as a woman, having such a low opinion of women to the point that you avoid them will only reflect itself in your self esteem.

There are plenty of old women who have active social lives and people that love visiting them. If you see yourself as having a future of abandonment while your husband has all the fun, I think the issue is yours.

Wait - did you just prove her point entirely? That's kinda cute. Your post embodies what she just went through the effort to explain was wrong with most women.

I farking love Fark sometimes.

Well...that's confusing.

I read the title and wondered what the youngest age of consent is, and why a girl that young would become a swinger ("wife swapping") at that age.

Apples01: If I want to hit that, does that mean I have teh ghey?



This person has a vagina. Would you hit it?

Dr. Mojo PhD:

You know, it's funny. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini long ago issued a fatwa permitting transsexual operations, and Ayatollah Ali Khamenei confirmed this fatwa. It's long since percolated to other clerical and governmental institutions in Iran.

Does that comfort you, knowing a country that hangs 16-year-old girls by the neck from construction cranes until they're dead for the crime of farking outside marriage has more progressive view points on gender identity and transsexuality than you do?



Not being snarky here, asking a question.

Last year Iran's President also said that there is "no homosexuality" in his country. Unofficial reports suggest that anyone caught in same-gender relationships are punished and/or killed there.

So, is this fatwa that "permits" gender reassessment a way for Iran to address homosexuality? In other words, is it so f*cking archaic there, that if you happen to be a homosexual man, the only way you can hope to survive is to undergo surgery?

Meh, you'd all hit it.

And as for "b-b-but she did it when she was 16? WTF?"

Puberty is a one-way-street to masculinity, so the most effective M2F hormone therapy is done before voice change and other masculinisations. That means this girl has been taking hormones since she was a little kid - by the time she was 16, the surgery would probably have felt ridiculously overdue.

It's nasty to make those kinds of decisions so young, but it makes the difference between producing a hot chick or the bearded lady.

What does a Sex Change do anyway? I mean...did she lose her testies and her sex drive because of it?

Dr. Mojo PhD: Yes, how sick indeed. Two independent psychiatrists signed off on the fact that Kim is transsexual. How sick indeed. And what, per chance, is your medical or psychological background?

It's pretty farked up to give a 13 year old boy hormones to deny normal male puberty. You have no idea what might have happened then and neither do they. They're sick farks and I feel sorry for the kid.

But hey, let's pump your prepubescent tomboy daughter full of testosterone until she grows facial hair and never gets her period. I know 2 shrinks who will sign off on it.

stuffy: I think thats her dad.

No, that's her mom. All her estrogen got sucked out when Tim/Kim was born.

/Explains everything

morgantx: Savoir-Faire: You know, if I could change, I would. It seems to me that the ladies really have it, at least while they're young. They're just so crushingly beautiful, I can't comprehend it. I'd have to be attractive though.

More that that, really, is I have convinced myself that women can do what they want and men cannot. I'm so constrained by the conventions of masculinity that I can't have fun or live in the moment. So much seems unattainable. I just don't understand how they manage to have so much fun.

It's probably all in my head.

It's all in your head. I'm a girl who greatly prefers the company and friendship of men. Women are petty and cruel. You can't just dress however you want to around women or else you'll be the butt of all their jokes and you'll be outcast and ostracized permanently. You can't do anything different or step outside the lines. You can't laugh too loud or sit comfortably or play rough or have any fun.

And in my waning years, when the lines start to show on my face and my breasts begin to succumb to gravity (as they inevitably will), I'll be that hideous old woman down the street that nobody wants to even visit, whereas my husband can get fat, wrinkled, and crotchety, and everyone will still think he's pretty cool. Aging is harder on women than it will ever be for men.

Honest advice: befriend some gay women. Stereotypes aside, they tend to be a bit more, um, forgiving about your disdain for fashion and celebrity gossip.

/ Straight male, most of my friends are women and gay men
// Yeah, I'm you. Inverted.

cchris_39: It's pretty farked up

Yes, it is... but they don't do this out of impatience. They do it because starting young is the only way to get a result that doesn't look like a drag queen.