firegoat: Link (new window)Too bad goth chicks don't all look like this

Too bad she's only fictional. And lives nowhere near me. And would be waaaay out of my league anyway. Okay, now I'm depressed.

Maybe in the UK they tend to be hot, they're quite rare here in the states.

Oh I don't know, I've seen some pretty attractive gothlings, but that was some time ago. I understand now that the obesity epidemic has hit, and devastated the dwindling population. It's like the skinnier kids went to emo or something.

/Don't really know, kids these days...

Oh and it's harder to pull off that white makeup as you age, it shows off every single wrinkle/flaw unless you coat it on like spackle.

hershmire: So, at what point do goths stop dressing as such? Eighteen? Twenty-four? Thirty? I mean, you never see an old man or woman with a white face, black eyeliner, and wearing leather in public. (Except for those damn BDSMimes).

Any (former) Goths want to weigh in? When did you finally decide you looked ridiculous?

As soon as they grow up. So sometime between 17 and never...

Oznog: One of my favorite sites:
http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/



I see women can do with ripped fishnet stockings, fingerless gloves, even bare midriffs. However the style gives guys no such quarter in options. You've got leather, black fabrics, layers, and zero exposed skin.

It's amazing Goths are as popular ad they are in Texas. I'm sure it's reduced over what it could be if the average temp was 10F cooler though.

OMG! I stood near some of these kids at the local Pride Parade last year. My god, the stink of their sweat in those clothes in late June! Absolutely ridiculous.

Came here for the South Park references...

Leaving satisfied.

Oznog: One of my favorite sites:
http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/



I see women can do with ripped fishnet stockings, fingerless gloves, even bare midriffs. However the style gives guys no such quarter in options. You've got leather, black fabrics, layers, and zero exposed skin.

It's amazing Goths are as popular ad they are in Texas. I'm sure it's reduced over what it could be if the average temp was 10F cooler though.

You'd think in summertime they'd pay an ironic pseudo-homage to the Old South and go all white. It's cool AND it's cool-ER than wearing black. Win-win.

hershmire: Any (former) Goths want to weigh in? When did you finally decide you looked ridiculous?

I never wore any makeup and I think I actually owned a pair of jeans about 26 years ago. Since then my attire has generally consisted of slacks and a black polo shirt.

/ Except for the white earthlink one that I wear on halloween.
// and ya, they look beyond silly.

hershmire: So, at what point do goths stop dressing as such? Eighteen? Twenty-four? Thirty? I mean, you never see an old man or woman with a white face, black eyeliner, and wearing leather in public. (Except for those damn BDSMimes).

Any (former) Goths want to weigh in? When did you finally decide you looked ridiculous?

I work with a 34 year old goth. She will literally try to mount anything that has a heartbeat. She also smells like glue. It's actually not as bad as the 30 year olds that walk in wearing "juicy" shorts...

firegoat: Link (new window)Too bad goth chicks don't all look like this

A-men, especially considering she's 40.

This article speaks of no goth. a goth would have gotten the job finished with blood involved. The woman is clearly just an emo.

Oznog: It's amazing Goths are as popular ad they are in Texas. I'm sure it's reduced over what it could be if the average temp was 10F cooler though.

One of the longest running club weeklies in Dallas is the Goth-Industrial night called "The Church". It's at The Lizard Lounge.

678583: hershmire:
I work with a 34 year old goth. She will literally try to mount anything that has a heartbeat.

So, where are you? ;)

Oznog: One of my favorite sites:
http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/

Either way, this is awesome.

hershmire: So, at what point do goths stop dressing as such? Eighteen? Twenty-four? Thirty? I mean, you never see an old man or woman with a white face, black eyeliner, and wearing leather in public. (Except for those damn BDSMimes).

Any (former) Goths want to weigh in? When did you finally decide you looked ridiculous?

Well, considering Goth only started in the 80's, that may explain why you don't see old people. Besides, whiteface is more common amongst the death metal crowd (see the shiat bats picture- He's a metaller)

Barring a few youthful indescretions, I was always the more Victorian/frilly shirted style goth.. You know, the real ones that you see promenading around Whitby laughing and having a whale of a time- not the whiny poseurs in black that the layman seems to think are goth- most are metallers of some kind.

I'm no longer the little underweight thing I used to be, so I don't get away with certain styles. I still dress like a goth, I have a fondness for 3/4 length frock coats, dress shirts and a little eyeliner. Despite being a pasty faced makeup wearing freak for 15 years or so I've only bought my first dress cane. (But that's because I was introduced to Bartitsu fairly recently).

It's a matter of adaptation, you can look professional and gothic, you just have to play with styles and conventions a bit. It's probably part of the reason why steampunk's on the rise.

phlegmmo: Lipspinach:
phlegmmo: A call came in at about 11:45 p.m. Friday that the woman living in the Browne Mountain area southeast of Spokane had taken about 50 Tylenol - washing them down with vodka - and wandered into the woods near her home.

Not a pretty way to go. If you don't get treated for the overdose of Tylenol you likely face a couple days of dying a painful, lingering death as your organs shut down one by one.

Will 50 & some vodka kill you, though?

Depends on the person. I understand you have about a 12 hour window before permanent liver damage begins with the Tylenol.

While you are right, there are some ppl who dont respond at all to to the pain killing/fever reducing properties of Acetaminophen products such as Tylenol (regardless of whether it is the extended or immediate release kind). For them, they can take the entire bottle and nothing will happen. Its just their chemistry make up.

Although for people who do (and if no antidote is given after 4 hours from initial ingestion), it's the most excruciating death imaginable.

Oznog: I see women can do with ripped fishnet stockings, fingerless gloves, even bare midriffs. However the style gives guys no such quarter in options. You've got leather, black fabrics, layers, and zero exposed skin.

It's amazing Goths are as popular ad they are in Texas. I'm sure it's reduced over what it could be if the average temp was 10F cooler though.

Umm, they're doing it wrong!

Whilst the long coats and many layers do look great, there are other goth styles. A semi-popular summer look back when I was doing this stuff was a little more on the punk end of things - Get a band t-shirt, rip the sleeves off, wear fishnet on the arms. Add black jeans, eyeliner and preferably big hair.

Alternatively, for a slightly more romantic-poet look, wear a white tux-shirt, unbuttoned and with the long cuffs hanging loose.

I think the ones wearing frock-coats and velvet in Dallas are propbably not very clever...

Oznog: One of my favorite sites:
http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/

I love that site too. And am guilty of having attempted to wear a leather overcoat all summer. Bad idea.


NuclearWinter: Gothnet: hot goth chicks

Maybe in the UK they tend to be hot, they're quite rare here in the states.

I get the impression it's a different thing in the UK. It's not about teenage rebellion, it's not something kids do when they're 14, people tend to get into it when they're 17+. It's a (slightly) more adult subculture and as a result is more disaffected folks fat, socially awkward teenagers.

hershmire: So, at what point do goths stop dressing as such? Eighteen? Twenty-four? Thirty? I mean, you never see an old man or woman with a white face, black eyeliner, and wearing leather in public. (Except for those damn BDSMimes).

Any (former) Goths want to weigh in? When did you finally decide you looked ridiculous?

I'll be 41 this year, and I can still do the goth look. However, I stopped looking that way in public, in the daylight, on a regular basis, before age 30. I'd say 22 or 23 is the absolute latest at which you can still be wearing black lipstick in CVS. And even before then, I thought it looked awfully stupid to get all gothed up just to go to say, the mall. That just suggests you have nowhere more interesting to wear your gear.

I attend the Philadelphia Dracula's Balls, still. I never looked good with black hair and can no longer pull off black lipstick, but a professional makeup artist can still make me look good with black eyeliner, false eyelashes, and red lipstick. And I pay a lot more for my garb now, and buy the nicer ballgowns that aren't going to fall apart after one wearing and actually have some structure and support to them.

Gothnet:

I get the impression it's a different thing in the UK. It's not about teenage rebellion, it's not something kids do when they're 14, people tend to get into it when they're 17+. It's a (slightly) more adult subculture and as a result is more disaffected folks [than?] fat, socially awkward teenagers.

I think the US goth scene suffers from no sense of humour and mainstream music passing themselves off as alternative. They're all so earnest and dark- as if being miserable is fun and they ignore what beauty is within the world. It's all farkawful poetry rhyming red with bled and eyes with skies and nothing resembling a celebration of life.

They've forgotten the most important things are to dance, have a laugh and be surrounded by cute goth chicks in corsets.

Corpsie: Gothnet:

I get the impression it's a different thing in the UK. It's not about teenage rebellion, it's not something kids do when they're 14, people tend to get into it when they're 17+. It's a (slightly) more adult subculture and as a result is more disaffected folks [than?] fat, socially awkward teenagers.

I think the US goth scene suffers from no sense of humour and mainstream music passing themselves off as alternative. They're all so earnest and dark- as if being miserable is fun and they ignore what beauty is within the world. It's all farkawful poetry rhyming red with bled and eyes with skies and nothing resembling a celebration of life.

They've forgotten the most important things are to dance, have a laugh and be surrounded by cute goth chicks in corsets.

I'll drink to that!

Cider and black of course ... actually it's been many a year, I can't believe how much of that I used to throw down my neck. Firmly an ale drinker now :)

Gothnet:
Cider and black of course ... actually it's been many a year, I can't believe how much of that I used to throw down my neck. Firmly an ale drinker now :)

Try the scrumpy and cassis snakebite in Borough Market. It's dangerously tasty.

Lack of real ale is one of the reasons I'm barely in Camden any more. I may as well go to the Head of Steam if fancy a drink in that area.

I'm still rather surprised at the amount of goths that seem to be into real ale. Go to a good beer festival and leather trenchcoats are as numerous as beards and bad jumpers.

Corpsie:
I'm still rather surprised at the amount of goths that seem to be into real ale. Go to a good beer festival and leather trenchcoats are as numerous as beards and bad jumpers.

Ah, you've seen me at the GBBF then... Well, to be fair, I've not worn the trenchcoat for the last couple of years, and I have recently grown some facial hair :)

And Camden is sadly devoid of good ale. I tend to do my drinking in various pubs on the south bank these days.

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They shoulda checked Waterworld

/obscure like a mutherfarker

She was going to OD on Tylenol, but after she took the first two she felt better.

Looks like I've interupted Goth Talk

wait...why?

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Came for Richmond, leaving satisfied.

zoips: Either way, this is awesome.

That looks more like steampunk than goth.

I think most Goths when they get older just start only dressing up Goth style when it's appropriate. When they're young kids, the shock value of doing it where it's inappropriate is more fun, and you feel like you've got more to prove about being genuinely goth (as opposed to being a "poser"). When you grow up and get a job and a real adult life, you get secure enough that you don't have to prove anything to anyone about how goth you are and you figure out that it's more fun to be goth where it's appreciated and where the attention will be positive than it is do just do it everywhere. You're going to have more fun in your Goth outfit at the club or at a party than you are at the grocery store or the company picnic.

You can still love Gothic fashion at any age without looking or feeling pathetic and silly if you wear it only where it makes sense. I wore Goth style on stage when I played with a band (up until last year or so). If it's part of your stage look and you're a performer, you can get by with it a lot more often than if you're not.

Now I'm not in a band anymore and I'm thirty years old, I still can wear it to clubs, to concerts, and to places where there's likely to be a lot of other goths.

I think females can get by with still rocking the Goth look a little longer than guys can. Maybe it's because the styles are a bit theatrical and feminine to begin with? I don't know. But it stays looking more flattering on chicks at least a few years longer than it does on dudes. I know lots of chicks that look great in their Goth get-up at 30 something and even still pretty good at 40 something, but I don't know of hardly any dudes that still look good in their Goth get-up past their 20's.

I had a good laugh a couple of years ago when I realized that I didn't have anything appropriate to wear to an ACTUAL funeral. While I had plenty of over-the-top theatrical "funeral" look stuff, I had nothing that would be appropriate for an actual modern funeral. With a whole closet full of black Gothic clothes, I still had to go buy a black dress to wear when I had to attend a real funeral.

I was goth for a while; I guess I still am, really, but I don't dress that way all the time. But there's a big difference between old-school goth and the modern emo-pseudo goth crap.

I didn't shop at Hot Topic because it didn't exist. We just wore normal second hand clothes and dyed them all black in the bathtub. Some of it was sort of flamboyant and Steampunky, but mostly it was just black clothes. I wore lots of eyeliner and dark lipstick, but I'm as white as a sheet naturally, so I didn't need to do the makeup thing. I have auburn hair, although I did dye it black for a bit and then shaved it off when I got sick of dyeing it. And we totally wore white if we felt like it. Or crimson. I lived in GA and wore silk camisoles and long skirts a lot, and was not too hot.

morton20: And we totally wore white if we felt like it. Or crimson.

Don't forget purple!

I think it probably has changed. A couple of years ago I went back to one of my old haunts from the late 90s. I had just been to a fancy-dress magic show and was wearing tails coat and dres shirt, but when I got to the club it was nothing buit black, a bit baggy and glow-sticks everywhere.

The scene has changed.

zoips: Oznog: One of my favorite sites:
http://www.gothsinhotweather.com/

Either way, this is awesome.

Yeah, brass and gears are totally steampunk.

morton20: But there's a big difference between old-school goth and the modern emo-pseudo goth crap.


There's a big difference between goth and Marilyn Manson, but you'll never get the masses to care enough to make the distinction.

Gothnet- Sounds like you mean the Ballroom, glow's been creeping in since the early 2000's. It's worse now Full Tilt's gone, you've got to be in for the first set if you want anything to dance to. I was bloody annoyed when Gossips/the Batcave shut as well, I loved that place. At least the DJs are still doing things though.

The clubbing scene around here's been hit hard over the past few years- it's picking up but I think the promoters have become a little...special. Everything seems to be monthly and on the same weekend. I'm getting old, it's been years since I could go clubbing two days running.

I've noticed a decline in friendliness matching the lack of clubs (not including Slimes, that's always been full of wankers). Maybe that's what the yank scene is missing- a decent sense of community.