Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

This is bullshiat.

You dickheads already f*cked most everything else up. Saddled the next three generations with your debts, are draining social security...just hurry up and die already

What about the Hunters and the Smokers?

eddyatwork: This is bullshiat.

welcome to pennsylvania.

you know, this law in combination with a euthanasia law could make things verrrry interesting.

tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

If you loved your kids, you would just die already. You and your kind have made America a worse place than when you were given the keys. You are the first generation to do this as well. Please die!

I was estranged from my mother for the 10 years prior to her death this past February. The last 18 months, she was in a nursing home at a cost of almost 8k/month. She had assets to cover it, thank God.

If I'd ended up being legally responsible for her health care just because I managed to spew from her womb AND survive horrific child abuse, I would have gone postal.

This is utter BS and the law needs to be changed yesterday.

Does anyone know if this law can be enforced in Ohio or Virginia?

Whatever happened to respect your elders? instead of Nemo's Brother: If you loved your kids, you would just die already. You and your kind have made America a worse place than when you were given the keys.

I didn't expect this from you. Oh well. Too bad. I guess this is fark.

But I agree, the kid should not nave to pay for the parents bills, that is a stupid idea

IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Whatever happened to "The Buck Stops Here"?

That's a mighty wide brush some of you are painting the US population with...

wee: That's a mighty wide brush some of you are painting the US population with...

The real tragedy here is that people actually put a lot of stock in the broad strokes.

IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Respect is something that is earned, not handed out willy nilly.

although,, the parents have to pay a lot of shiat for their little kiddies who get sick, get in trouble, etc.

IronTom: But I agree, the kid should not nave to pay for the parents bills, that is a stupid idea

I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

Weaver95: I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

Good luck.

IronTom: although,, the parents have to pay a lot of shiat for their little kiddies who get sick, get in trouble, etc.

That's the gig you sign up for when you stick your dick in a girl/allow a dick to be stuck in you.

IronTom: Weaver95: I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

Good luck.

I hired an evil lawyer. it's all good.

Commenting on the article: I don't think this is rare as we might imagine. I once was not allowed to get a refill on contact lenses because my parents had an outstanding debt with the optometrist. Fairly recently the dentist sent my husband's bill to my attention. Even though we have different last names. It's not fair, but you have to know that people who are owed money will go after it every way they can, including pressuring family.

Commenting on the boomer hate: Really? Can one possibly believe that folks born from about 1946 to 1964 are single-handedly responsible for the current state of government debt in the US? And how are they already draining Social Security? The oldest in the generation aren't even of retirement age yet (taking 65 as a typical retirement age). I'm assuming you must be thinking of the "Greatest" generation. The ones who have been on SS for years now. The ones who lived through the last depression and the horrors of WWII, and spent the rest of their lives scrimping and saving in case it happened again.

If you just hate old people because they're old, I can clearly see the attitude in wanting them all dead. Though I certainly would never be able to understand it. I have a differing viewpoint. I actually enjoy the company of people of all ages, young and old. But then again, I don't have a Pol Pot way of thinking either.

Gecko Gingrich: IronTom: although,, the parents have to pay a lot of shiat for their little kiddies who get sick, get in trouble, etc.

That's the gig you sign up for when you stick your dick in a girl/allow a dick to be stuck in you.

Precisely.

Hearing about this is enough to make me want to go get legally divorced from my estranged family. Just to make sure.

I thought credit reports already screwed us over by virtue of their very existence?

/and because they inspired those insipid commercials.
//freecreditreport.com slashes.

Weaver95: I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

Tell them to talk to him and give the number to the cemetery.

This article was disturbing to read because I'm estranged from my family and I sure as hell won't pay for any of those useless farksticks.

eddyatwork: Tell them to talk to him and give the number to the cemetery.

hehehehe

You mean there's a way to screw over my tattooed, worthless, disrespectful son who bled me white for child support for 21 years? Yes! There is a God!

Wow, Pennsylvania. First your liquor laws and now this.

Of course, it didn't help the guy in the article that his mom is a complete and total biatch and flat out refused to pay what she owed.

cehlen: Does anyone know if this law can be enforced in Ohio or Virginia?

This is a Pennsylvania state law, so only if your parent occurred medical expenses in Pennsylvania would this affect you.

You mean the horrible jingles that get stuck in your head forever?

IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders? i

Your kids don't owe you a thing just because you screwed someone however many years ago and out popped Jr.

The quicker parents understand this the better.

JoeBagadonutz: You mean there's a way to screw over my tattooed, worthless, disrespectful son who bled me white for child support for 21 years? Yes! There is a God!

Oh no, you had to pay for your children, what a travesty. I think there's a reason he doesn't respect you.

tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

Come on, you guys couldn't even get pot legal. Don't get all high and mighty.

Put down that loan application, and just back away slowly

ftfa: The Havertown man is nearly 50 and struggling to pay ... $100,000 in student loans incurred by his daughter, a recent Albright College grad.

That's going full retard right there.

Plastic Trash Vortex: Oh no, you had to pay for your children, what a travesty. I think there's a reason he doesn't respect you.

You know I'm thinking that she paid for his kids (ie her grandkids). If not, then the poster is really terrible.

What boomers screwing us with credit reports might look like

dustman81:
cehlen: Does anyone know if this law can be enforced in Ohio or Virginia?

This is a Pennsylvania state law, so only if your parent occurred medical expenses in Pennsylvania would this affect you.

Wouldn't a final judgment in PA court be enforceable in other states under the Full Faith and Credit Clause?

Courts in one state must give full faith and credit to judgments of courts in other states so long as:
1. the court that rendered the judgment had jurisdiction over the parties and the subject matter
2. the judgment was on the merits
3. the judgment is final

---I'm not sure if a PA court could establish jurisdiction over the parties, but I guess that's a matter of the particular case. Anyone know for sure?

Plastic Trash Vortex: JoeBagadonutz: You mean there's a way to screw over my tattooed, worthless, disrespectful son who bled me white for child support for 21 years? Yes! There is a God!

Oh no, you had to pay for your children, what a travesty. I think there's a reason he doesn't respect you.

Ha Ha! My thought exactly. The loser cranks out a kid and then can't believe he has a fiscal responsibility for the act. Idiiiiiiiot.

In 2006, the Wallingford Nursing & Rehab Center sued Fichera for not paying a $28,000 bill. Two years later, she accrued another debt at Brinton Manor in Glen Mills. This time, the nursing-home lawyer got creative.

Put the blame where it belongs.

you know, this is gonna get the banks sueing the parents when the kiddies go bankrupt

/lawl

I predict we will start seeing more accidental deaths of old people.
BRB, going to disown my family.

/the sins of the father

Euthanize them, and the farker who came up with that law.

I'm confused.

Fark told me that drinking and unlimited sex was good. Unless you bore offspring. Fark also told me this is because children were scum of the earth

Now Fark tells me that old people are worthless, and children (or former children) are getting screwed. Why is this?

Or maybe Fark has been telling me that every generation except your own must be destroyed.

Tofu: Put down that loan application, and just back away slowly

Came for this....

/although if boomers want to "screw me" any which way, well....the more the merrier.

Weaver95: IronTom: But I agree, the kid should not nave to pay for the parents bills, that is a stupid idea

I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

The estate has to pay the bills before you get a penny.

Anyway, I thought debts couldn't pass from parent to child here. It seems to me this is unconstitutional.

IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

I've never understood how it's legal for these credit agencies to harvest my information without my consent.

/hope there's a real Tyler Durden out there

JoeBagadonutz: You mean there's a way to screw over my tattooed, worthless, disrespectful son who bled me white for child support for 21 years? Yes! There is a God!

Oh my gawd! Tattooed?!? He should be kissing your feet for not aborting him!

AnnoyingKidNextDoor: I'm confused.

Fark told me that drinking and unlimited sex was good. Unless you bore offspring. Fark also told me this is because children were scum of the earth

Now Fark tells me that old people are worthless, and children (or former children) are getting screwed. Why is this?

Or maybe Fark has been telling me that every generation except your own must be destroyed.

If you just go with the "Crush All Humans" philosophy everybody gets covered.

If you live in Pennsylvania, and you are doing nothing to get this law changed, it's your own damn fault.

What Boomers?? The ones from 1776?

JoeBagadonutz: You mean there's a way to screw over my tattooed, worthless, disrespectful son who bled me white for child support for 21 years? Yes! There is a God!

Why did you pay it for 21 years?

AnnoyingKidNextDoor:
I'm confused.

Fark told me that drinking and unlimited sex was good. Unless you bore offspring. Fark also told me this is because children were scum of the earth

Now Fark tells me that old people are worthless, and children (or former children) are getting screwed. Why is this?

Or maybe Fark has been telling me that every generation except your own must be destroyed.

And with all this 'advice' you Drew your own conclusions?

//suggested reading
//better than anything "pup" put out

buzzvert: you know, this law in combination with a euthanasia law could make things verrrry interesting.

He'd still have the debt, plus incur another one for the euthanasia. Unless he whacked his mother the day after retirement age.

JoeBagadonutz: You mean there's a way to screw over my tattooed, worthless, disrespectful son who bled me white for child support for 21 years? Yes! There is a God!

Hey, an arrogant asshole with a sense of entitlement that lacks the upbringing to take resposibility for the action of his own dick? I can't understand why he's not overflowing with respect for you.

Guess I've been playing too much L4D.

Kill the lawyer. Not only do you reap revenge, you get a bed, food and lots of friends for the next 30 years.

At least this may cheer you up (pops)

RemyDuron: tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

Come on, you guys couldn't even get pot legal. Don't get all high and mighty.

By the time boomers were mostly in charge, they had found God, become conservative, and were dead set against letting their children do ANYTHING like what they had done as kids. So, no bike riding without pads and helmets, playground equipment with swings and slides that wouldn't, the RIAA to take care of the demon music that kids wanted to listen to but not pay for- conveniently forgetting all of those mix tapes that they passed around, starting the 'War on Drugs', dress codes in school, railing against long hair, etc, etc.....

Listen to the lyrics of Billy Joel's 'Angry Young Man'. Everything that he sings about the Boomer generation representing is everything that the Boomer Generation now hates and is trying to repress.

And since I am marginally one of them: BUWAHAAHAAHAAAA!

This is the very reason I have my Mossberg and three shells readily available.

RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

That is too insightful and concise for FARK.

Also true.

leegalizit: Guess I've been playing too much L4D.

Came here to post this.. ah well.

Didn't RTFA or TFT.

I'm set up financially so that my kids won't have to pay my bills. But even if I weren't. I'd say they're liable for 18 years (and in one case 23 years) of taking care of me, changing my diapers, and everything else after I can no longer do so myself.

Did anyone bother to read the article? It's about a Boomer whose mother is screwing him over by not paying her medical bills, and whose daughter is screwing him over by not paying back her student loans.

AnnoyingKidNextDoor: I'm confused.

Fark told me that drinking and unlimited sex was good. Unless you bore offspring. Fark also told me this is because children were scum of the earth

Now Fark tells me that old people are worthless, and children (or former children) are getting screwed. Why is this?

Or maybe Fark has been telling me that every generation except your own must be destroyed.



/Renew

Hey subby: It's the boomer getting screwed by his parent (50 would mean he was born in 1959 near the tail end of the bommers.)

-1 for the poor math/reasoning skills
another -1 for being on my lawn

die young - stay pretty

tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Talk to someone from HR about how different generations are in the workplace. They will tell you this is pretty much on topic.

While younger generations tend to prefer time off with family over high pay, baby boomers will sell their kids for a few shares of stock.

Just the reality of it, no need to get defensive. Can't change it now.

RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

Hey, this is Fark! Say something crude and childish, none of this intelligent stuff!

/hits favorite button

Likuid000: You dickheads already f*cked most everything else up. Saddled the next three generations with your debts, are draining social security...just hurry up and die already

I plan on living well into my 100's. I am going to drain every drop of SS that I possibly can. So suck it you young farks. You better be finding a 3rd job if you want to live past 65 now.

RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

Wow. I think I love you.

butterchik: ---I'm not sure if a PA court could establish jurisdiction over the parties, but I guess that's a matter of the particular case. Anyone know for sure?

How is the bar exam studying going?

If children can be held responsible for their parents debts can the parents be arrested if their children repeatedly break the law as minors?

This could get interesting.

Oh goody, a boomer-bashing thread that doesn't have to do with L4D. This should get interesting.

/I don't get this, TBH
//then again, my parents were born in post-war Korea, so...

Weaver95: IronTom: But I agree, the kid should not nave to pay for the parents bills, that is a stupid idea

I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

Yeah, I can't wait to inherit my parent's debt. It's going to be fun. Might as well figure out how to file bankruptcy now.

eggrolls: RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

Wow. I think I love you.

It felt good when I was typing it, although it seems sort of condescending and nasty upon rereading. Not really what I intended, and I was speaking rather generally. There are certainly people of older generations worth respecting and traditions worth upholding, but those judgments should be made individually and mere age of a person or practice does not prove it is wise.

IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?


I don't know, what DID happen to respect for your elders?

Likuid000: You dickheads already f*cked most everything else up. Saddled the next three generations with your debts, are draining social security...just hurry up and die already

THIS

RemyDuron:
eggrolls: RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

Wow. I think I love you.

It felt good when I was typing it, although it seems sort of condescending and nasty upon rereading. Not really what I intended, and I was speaking rather generally. There are certainly people of older generations worth respecting and traditions worth upholding, but those judgments should be made individually and mere age of a person or practice does not prove it is wise.

Indeed. Nor youth fresh.

/well said

Did subby actually RTFA? Because the screwed-over party in this case was the boomer (50), whose mom stuck him with bills. And who is putting his kid through college. DIAF, you resentful, whiny little subby.

Benni K Rok: Weaver95: IronTom: But I agree, the kid should not nave to pay for the parents bills, that is a stupid idea

I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

Yeah, I can't wait to inherit my parent's debt. It's going to be fun. Might as well figure out how to file bankruptcy now.



You have nothing to worry about, unless you're in PA apparently. If their debt load consumes their estate, the debt holders can't come after you for money. Look up privity of contract on wikipedia.

The PA case in the article is interesting, and I am surprised the legislature hasn't gotten rid of it.

I don't remember if the article specified the law as a statute or a common law. If common law, the PA supreme court could just overturn the sucker based on equity principles, of course it would probably cost more than the $8k to take it that far.

GSD4Ever: This is the very reason I have my Mossberg and three shells readily available.

IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Whatever happened to respect being earned and not given?

wee: That's a mighty wide brush some of you are painting the US population with...

Most Internet debates depend on painting everyone with wide brushes. Just reference any "Spiritualists vs. Atheists" argument, or "Conservatives vs. Liberals" wankfest. The xenophobia and provincialism displayed by all sides is often astounding.

It's no surprise a lot of this "conversation" is largely dominated by idiots slapping the tiresome "young is better, old is stupid" brush around, while getting spanked right back with the "old is better, young is stupid" paint roller. It's like watching a Mentos commercial duke it out with an Old Spice ad, only not as entertaining.

/we should all get along. Mentos and Old Spice both taste relatively the same, and neither is safe to swallow with Diet Coke

RemyDuron:
Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

It's these rare glimpses of perfect lucidity that makes sifting through this fermented pile of digital shiat worthwhile. RemyDuron, my hat is off to you.

In my 6 or 7 years here, I have saved exactly 3 quotes from fark. You're number 4.

My mom did that, she might have an accident.

The legal concept of requiring children to support their parents predates colonial America.

"New," subby? Really?

Lorelle: Did anyone bother to read the article? It's about a Boomer whose mother is screwing him over by not paying her medical bills, and whose daughter is screwing him over by not paying back her student loans.

No, nobody read the article. Having an attention span long enough to read a whole web article is one of those useless, archaic abilities that young people don't feel they need.

fusillade762: If children can be held responsible for their parents debts can the parents be arrested if their children repeatedly break the law as minors?

I seem to remember reading something about parents being arrested if their kids get arrested for truancy too often.

Well, our grandchildren will still be paying for the national debt, soooo what the hell.

came here for L4D reference... thanks!

Weaver95: IronTom: Weaver95: I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

Good luck.

I hired an evil lawyer. it's all good.

Good show, old chap. Good show.

EdgeRunner: wee: That's a mighty wide brush some of you are painting the US population with...

Most Internet debates depend on painting everyone with wide brushes. Just reference any "Spiritualists vs. Atheists" argument, or "Conservatives vs. Liberals" wankfest. The xenophobia and provincialism displayed by all sides is often astounding.

It's no surprise a lot of this "conversation" is largely dominated by idiots slapping the tiresome "young is better, old is stupid" brush around, while getting spanked right back with the "old is better, young is stupid" paint roller. It's like watching a Mentos commercial duke it out with an Old Spice ad, only not as entertaining.

/we should all get along. Mentos and Old Spice both taste relatively the same, and neither is safe to swallow with Diet Coke

Am I clear on this? You know what Old Spice tastes like?

EdgeRunner: The xenophobia and provincialism displayed by all sides is often astounding.

I know! You'd think they're HUMAN or something!

\sarcasm

Nemo's Brother:

You and your kind have made America a worse place than when you were given the keys. You are the first generation to do this as well.



Yep. America's history has been one of each generation giving a better country to the next generation.

Came for this, leaving happy.

Gecko Gingrich: What about the Hunters and the Smokers?

Gosh, you forgot the largest concern of all..FAT PEOPLE..pigs at the trough. They will be taking all the money real soon boomer basher. OBESITY the #1 killer on your doorstep.

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?

To those of you who claim that my generation made this mess that we are in, you should know that our biggest regret is giving birth to pond scum like you. If we had it to do over again, we would have had our tubes tied before we reached puberty.

Now shut up, you filthy little turds. The best part of you ran down your mothers leg.

It's bullshiat... You knock boots, you're risking a dependant. But no one should be born into debt that you had no hand in creating.

Creditors choose the risks they take. If they roll snake eyes, they shouldn't be able to tap uninvolved parties to cover their losses.

I'm tellin' ya, They ain't Vampies.

Boomers Lawyers have found a new way to screw us... with credit reports T-Shirt

FTFY

Lawyers will sue anyone to get money for themselves and a few dollars for their clients.

The law they are using goes back to colonial days, long before there were 'Boomers'.

The 50 yr old man getting sued to pay his mother's medical bills IS A BABY BOOMER!!!!

If pre-colonial laws are valid in America then I saw lets bring back some Celtic laws!

How about chopping off a limb for heresy!

"Your honor, I call the prosecution to the stand. Sir, how do you feel about ZOSO THE GOAT GOD!!??"

Rodeodoc: To those of you who claim that my generation made this mess that we are in, you should know that our biggest regret is giving birth to pond scum like you. If we had it to do over again, we would have had our tubes tied before we reached puberty.

Now shut up, you filthy little turds. The best part of you ran down your mothers leg.

Then who is to pay your Social Security?

Hey legal brain people: Couldn't you counter sue for something like this? Or take it to a farking judge and say:

"Look, your Honor, this is horseshiat. Even if it is legal, it is so farking wrong. Now please, let me bite this corrupt lawyer's balls off."

How the hell could something like that even be enforced? If he didn't pay up, then what the hell are they going to do? Throw him in jail? Reck his credit rating (which I assume he could litigate as well).

I just have difficulty imagining any judge or jury agreeing with this situation.

RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.
Wow. Just... wow. You should write a book or do lectures. You just summed up so much so succinctly. Damn. Damn.

To whoever was asking if this is the law in Virginia: oh yeah it is. (new window)

Rodeodoc - To those of you who claim that my generation made this mess that we are in, you should know that our biggest regret is giving birth to pond scum like you. If we had it to do over again, we would have had our tubes tied before we reached puberty.

Now shut up, you filthy little turds. The best part of you ran down your mothers leg.



I'm sure that's completely true. It falls in line with the overwhelming selfishness and narcissism...

"But I'm not ready to stop being the kid yet... I'm only 58!!!"

Nemo's Brother: tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

If you loved your kids, you would just die already. You and your kind have made America a worse place than when you were given the keys. You are the first generation to do this as well. Please die!

Jews/Boomers/Blacks. Whoever can take the blame eh, spineless one? I see a bright future in politics for you .

I am familiar with medicaid and nursing home eligibility in PA. I had never heard of this. I am surprised. When children take their parent's assets, or try to hide them it causes a period of ineligibility for granny. If kids took $50,000 out and cant account for it, then granny is ineligible for Medicaid to pick up costs for a year or so. The home cant kick granny out if no one is paying. THEN someone ought to go after the kids. It doesnt sound like this is what happened here though. Her ihcome is probably about $2400 a month at my estimate and she could have got help. Maybe she had too many resources (bank accounts, property,) to be eligible for medicaid period.

technicolor-misfit: Rodeodoc - To those of you who claim that my generation made this mess that we are in, you should know that our biggest regret is giving birth to pond scum like you. If we had it to do over again, we would have had our tubes tied before we reached puberty.

Now shut up, you filthy little turds. The best part of you ran down your mothers leg.



I'm sure that's completely true. It falls in line with the overwhelming selfishness and narcissism...

"But I'm not ready to stop being the kid yet... I'm only 58!!!"

THIS

We all, Dems, Reps, & Fark Inds, need to march on Washington if they try to pull this shiat.

It's absolutely amazing how many farkers here think their parents should die immediately so they won't ever have to pay a cent themselves.

I wonder how many of these felt it their constitutional right to have a Nintendo 64 in their bedrooms hooked up to a color television with cable. Some of these also wish their parents dead, today. 15 years ago they knew full well who was paying for tuition. They still know if times are really tough who they'll call first to ask for help. (Hint: it won't be a Generation X'er.)

Children, just shut the hell up and do whatever you can to support those who supported you. You were no picnic the first 30 years of your life. Your parents probably never told you no. It's time to return the favor.

From the Virginia law:
This section shall not apply if there is substantial evidence of desertion, neglect, abuse or willful failure to support any such child by the father or mother, as the case may be, prior to the child's emancipation or, except as provided hereafter in this section, if a parent is otherwise eligible for and is receiving public assistance or services under a federal or state program.

Rodeodoc: To those of you who claim that my generation made this mess that we are in, you should know that our biggest regret is giving birth to pond scum like you. If we had it to do over again, we would have had our tubes tied before we reached puberty.

Now shut up, you filthy little turds. The best part of you ran down your mothers leg.
Boomers causing the economic meltdown is pretty well documented at this point. In fact many point out it was predicted by your parents/predecessors as "unsustainable" when you first entered the workplace and started taking charge.

Now without kids, who would bail you out and pay for your SS checks? Seems if anything Baby Boomers need to be producing more kids to help cover the bills.

Boomers Lawyers have found a new way to screw us... with credit reports.

FTFY

Well, that was a terrifying article. My parents and I are fiscally responsible, but my in-laws are financial disasters. They spend more than they should, default on loans, get behind on their rent to the point that they've been evicted from several places, you name it. They even raided my husband's student loans and spent it on themselves because, hey, it was money they had access to. I'm really grateful that, once my husband was out on his own and away from their influence, he discovered that living within his means and paying bills on time was not an impossible expectation. He still has to deal with some crap from his earliest credit cards because one of his mom was on the account and she went one of her sprees.

On top of that, his parents are both morbidly obese and in denial, so they're wracking up the health problems. (Yet another habit my husband had to kick -- he was in therapy for, among other things, an unhealthy relationship with/perception of food. He's lost over 100 pounds.) You can bet that they're going to have outrageously expensive hospital bills, and that they're not going to pay them.

The thought that their complete lack of responsibility could have that sort of impact on my husband, who's done everything humanly possible to undo the damage from his parents' bad influence, and me (and our as-of-yet unborn children) is, as I said, terrifying. Good thing we're not in PA.

Weaver95: eddyatwork: This is bullshiat.

welcome to pennsylvania.

They should sue his mother for all the money, they may not get any money now but they will get a future judgment against any money she has left.

SeamusFerrell: Rodeodoc: To those of you who claim that my generation made this mess that we are in, you should know that our biggest regret is giving birth to pond scum like you. If we had it to do over again, we would have had our tubes tied before we reached puberty.

Now shut up, you filthy little turds. The best part of you ran down your mothers leg.

Then who is to pay your Social Security?

I've already paid over a 1/3 million into.

Farkin Generation X and their "Greed is Good" MBA fueled mantra is what brought us where we are today.

ooh, oooh, I have a great idea, lets deregulate all business and trust that corporations will act with honesty and integrity so that they make lots and lots of profit! Maybe some of that will trickle down

Yeah, well, not so fast young whippersnapper. That didn't work out so well now, did it?

And I seriously doubt that GaryPDX will ever climb out of his momma's basement long enough to procreate, so him havin granchildren seems a longshot. Don't know why he keeps bringing up that same old tired meme

larrycot: It's absolutely amazing how many farkers here think their parents should die immediately so they won't ever have to pay a cent themselves.

I wonder how many of these felt it their constitutional right to have a Nintendo 64 in their bedrooms hooked up to a color television with cable. Some of these also wish their parents dead, today. 15 years ago they knew full well who was paying for tuition. They still know if times are really tough who they'll call first to ask for help. (Hint: it won't be a Generation X'er.)

Children, just shut the hell up and do whatever you can to support those who supported you. You were no picnic the first 30 years of your life. Your parents probably never told you no. It's time to return the favor.

Yes, because you paid for your conscious decision for 18-21 years, they should be forced to pay your societal debts until they die. Seems...logical. No, wait, the other one - moronic.

Also, you're a presumptuous cock. Some of us put ourselves through college.

Some of us were also raised in a way that we paid for a great deal of of frivolous non-necessities.

In short, shut up and shove it. There are people who will get my respect, and you're not one of them.

Likuid000: You dickheads already f*cked most everything else up. Saddled the next three generations with your debts, are draining social security...just hurry up and die already

Sorry, I haven't collected all the money I've paid into Social Security yet. But I'm enjoying the retired life. Maybe you'll live long enough to do the same, or then again, maybe you'll just die already.

Would it help to emancipate from your parents?


I understand that means your parents no longer have a legal responsibility to support YOU, but is there a reverse thing were you don't have any responsibility to support them?

I know lots of long married folks divorce to protect each other from medical bills etc. so the blood suckers can't go after the spouse.

Post an ad in the paper that says I no longer have any responsibility to person X.

RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

I actually just created a favorite quotes section on my profile, just to put this there. Thanks, RemyDuron.

X-boxershorts: And I seriously doubt that GaryPDX will ever climb out of his momma's basement long enough to procreate, so him havin granchildren seems a longshot. Don't know why he keeps bringing up that same old tired meme

lol..I have 2 grown sons. It's not up to me now.

bikerbob: Gosh, you forgot the largest concern of all..FAT PEOPLE..pigs at the trough. They will be taking all the money real soon boomer basher. OBESITY the #1 killer on your doorstep.

See: the post above the one from which this quote originates

DIGITALgimpus: Boomers causing the economic meltdown is pretty well documented at this point.

Can you expand on this a bit?

Well this thread has taught me that being a dick is not somthing you grow out of.

X-boxershorts: Farkin Generation X and their "Greed is Good" MBA fueled mantra is what brought us where we are today.

Yuppies (ie, Baby Boomers) started the whole "Greed is Good" bullshiat.

aiiee: DIGITALgimpus: Boomers causing the economic meltdown is pretty well documented at this point.

Can you expand on this a bit?

Oh nevermind. Financial irresponsibility is not limited to nor defined by a certain age range. U r a idiot.

It's not the old people who are collecting SS that are screwing us; it's the liberal boomers who continue increasing the payouts.

dreadprophet: larrycot: It's absolutely amazing how many farkers here think their parents should die immediately so they won't ever have to pay a cent themselves.

I wonder how many of these felt it their constitutional right to have a Nintendo 64 in their bedrooms hooked up to a color television with cable. Some of these also wish their parents dead, today. 15 years ago they knew full well who was paying for tuition. They still know if times are really tough who they'll call first to ask for help. (Hint: it won't be a Generation X'er.)

Children, just shut the hell up and do whatever you can to support those who supported you. You were no picnic the first 30 years of your life. Your parents probably never told you no. It's time to return the favor.

Yes, because you paid for your conscious decision for 18-21 years, they should be forced to pay your societal debts until they die. Seems...logical. No, wait, the other one - moronic.

Also, you're a presumptuous cock. Some of us put ourselves through college.

Some of us were also raised in a way that we paid for a great deal of of frivolous non-necessities.

In short, shut up and shove it. There are people who will get my respect, and you're not one of them.

Aw... Did I hurt your widdle feelings...

Sure some of you (as I did) put yourselves through college.

THE VAST MAJORITY DID NOT. So please go find your peers who sucked on the parental teat and blame them. Until then, just shut up and open your checkbook. Every good thing that happened from birth until you moved the fark out of your parent's house had a price. Once you've paid every nickel of that back, you can biatch. Until then, just shut up and give. Just like your parents did for you.

uatuba: It's not the old people who are collecting SS that are screwing us; it's the liberal boomers who continue increasing the payouts.

So, either way, Boomers are screwing us kids.

I think you punks should STFU and QYB'ing....I mean you're bending over and letting Obama do far worse to your future.


money you cannot has

debts you will has.......plenty

get used to it.

Likuid000: You dickheads already f*cked most everything else up. Saddled the next three generations with your debts, are draining social security...just hurry up and die already

Lick my left nut then DIAF.

/having a bad day
//then reading your brain dead prattle
///over the top.

MBA Whore: Hey legal brain people: Couldn't you counter sue for something like this? Or take it to a farking judge and say:

"Look, your Honor, this is horseshiat. Even if it is legal, it is so farking wrong. Now please, let me bite this corrupt lawyer's balls off."

How the hell could something like that even be enforced? If he didn't pay up, then what the hell are they going to do? Throw him in jail? Reck his credit rating (which I assume he could litigate as well).

I just have difficulty imagining any judge or jury agreeing with this situation.

It doesn't sound like Skippy did a very good job of presenting his side to the judge.

/Stupid Law
//Stupid lawyers
///Story needs more:

Our parents told us to get an education, but never taught us how to value an education. Our parents told us to get a good job without ever explaining what that was. Our parents told us to love our family without teaching us what family meant. Our parents missed out on us growing up because we did so while they were staying late at work. Because of that, we'll always be children to them. And now our parents are surprised that we're callous, cold, and confused?

orat-on-a-stick: Would it help to emancipate from your parents?


I understand that means your parents no longer have a legal responsibility to support YOU, but is there a reverse thing were you don't have any responsibility to support them?

I know lots of long married folks divorce to protect each other from medical bills etc. so the blood suckers can't go after the spouse.

Post an ad in the paper that says I no longer have any responsibility to person X.

Kids have no legal responsibility to support our parents. That is why they created Social Security. Now that it is broke, they have to find some way to pay for it. So the parents liquidate and give the money out to the kids before they die. It doesn't change the fact that people paid Social Security taxes their whole life and now the government owes it back. It is not the kids fault that FDR was a moron.

"A new way to screw us"? Speak for yourself, Kemosabe!

Struggling with a mortgage and a kid out of college wth no job and 100K in debt? And his mom's $8k is the straw that broke his back?

Here's a small violin for you dude.

Gecko Gingrich: uatuba: It's not the old people who are collecting SS that are screwing us; it's the liberal boomers who continue increasing the payouts.

So, either way, Boomers are screwing us kids.

Absolutely. Although I wouldn't consider myself a "kid."

libbynomore2: I think you punks should STFU and QYB'ing....I mean you're bending over and letting Obama do far worse to your future.


money you cannot has

debts you will has.......plenty

get used to it.

Don't forget the 700 BILLION that Bush's administration wasted bailing out Goldman Sachs.

Debts we have are plenty indeed. And deficit spending during a recession is an historically proven economic strategy. it's just never been done on this scale since...well...the "Great Depression".

gadian: Our parents told us to get an education, but never taught us how to value an education. Our parents told us to get a good job without ever explaining what that was. Our parents told us to love our family without teaching us what family meant. Our parents missed out on us growing up because we did so while they were staying late at work. Because of that, we'll always be children to them. And now our parents are surprised that we're callous, cold, and confused?

larrycot: Until then, just shut up and open your checkbook. Every good thing that happened from birth until you moved the fark out of your parent's house had a price. Once you've paid every nickel of that back, you can biatch. Until then, just shut up and give. Just like your parents did for you.

Mmm, maturity comes with age, I see. I'm on good terms with my parents and both they and I understand that I have some money/time to take care of them when they get older, but most of it is going to my OWN children. Remember that? Each generation trying to make life better for the next? No? Gee, must've missed you out.

larrycot: THE VAST MAJORITY DID NOT. So please go find your peers who sucked on the parental teat and blame them. Until then, just shut up and open your checkbook. Every good thing that happened from birth until you moved the fark out of your parent's house had a price. Once you've paid every nickel of that back, you can biatch. Until then, just shut up and give. Just like your parents did for you.

What amount am I allowed to deduct for every time my mother beat me? Is it a different rate for an open fist? Closed fist? Found object (my mother:beatings::Marcel Duchamp:art)? How much credit do I earn for the outings with friends (which were terribly difficult to make because of my mother) I was denied at the last minute for reasons as varied as, "You put too much in the washing machine" to, "You put too little in the washing machine."?

You want some fun? Research Borderline Personality Disorder. I think just living with an individual with that should allow me at least $500K or so.

larrycot: THE VAST MAJORITY DID NOT. So please go find your peers who sucked on the parental teat and blame them. Until then, just shut up and open your checkbook. Every good thing that happened from birth until you moved the fark out of your parent's house had a price. Once you've paid every nickel of that back, you can biatch. Until then, just shut up and give. Just like your parents did for you.

Yeah, I'll shut up and give. To my own children.

X-boxershorts: libbynomore2: I think you punks should STFU and QYB'ing....I mean you're bending over and letting Obama do far worse to your future.


money you cannot has

debts you will has.......plenty

get used to it.

Don't forget the 700 BILLION that Bush's administration wasted bailing out Goldman Sachs.

Debts we have are plenty indeed. And deficit spending during a recession is an historically proven economic strategy. it's just never been done on this scale since...well...the "Great Depression".

Using the Great Depression and Roosevelt's actions as a way to support the rationale behind the recent economic "stimulus" packages is a losing strategy.

This article actually scares the living hell out of me. My adoptive parents are in the process of moving to Pennsylvania, and while it sounds like my dad will be making some acceptable amount of money they have debts up the wazzoo racked up around the country and basically will spend every last cent they can get their greedy hands on (including mine, both sides of my grandparents, and various "friends" of my dad) on fancy food and gambling. I have people who get my phone number already and harass me for debts incurred by my parents. My parents are irresponsible and can in no way handle money, and I have no desire to be financially tied to them. Any FARK lawyers have any suggestions for how to avoid what is happening in this article?

gadian: Our parents told us to get an education, but never taught us how to value an education. Our parents told us to get a good job without ever explaining what that was. Our parents told us to love our family without teaching us what family meant. Our parents missed out on us growing up because we did so while they were staying late at work. Because of that, we'll always be children to them. And now our parents are surprised that we're callous, cold, and confused?

That is to say,
"I'm callous, cold and confused - and IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT"
Well, the 3C part is true anyway...

DIGITALgimpus: tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Talk to someone from HR about how different generations are in the workplace. They will tell you this is pretty much on topic.

While younger generations tend to prefer time off with family over high pay, baby boomers will sell their kids for a few shares of stock.

Just the reality of it, no need to get defensive. Can't change it now.

Nice job painting all boomers with the same brush, jackass.

In any case, even if this were true, different generations were raised with different ideas of what working meant. When I was in HS my parents always told me to go to college so I could get a "good job" and make "good money". To them earning a high salary was something they had instilled in them. It didn't matter to them if you loved or hated your job. It only mattered that it paid well. They had it instilled in them by their parents who lived through the depression.

When we raised our kids, we taught them that yes, you should go to college and find a good career, but find something that you love doing.

libbynomore2 2009-07-12 07:53:41 PM
I think you punks should STFU and QYB'ing....I mean you're bending over letting me r@pe your brains with my noxious moronic blathering.

You still sticking your rancid bowel contents-spewing
unmentionable anatomy-head in here and putrid intestinal
gas emitting your half-slimy, half-curdled foul venom
where your anal gland excretions are in no degree even
remotely applicable or warranted in any concievable
fashion whatsoever??

\can you even comprehend what I just typed, much less read it?

aiiee: U r a idiot.

U r a 12 year old?

uatuba: X-boxershorts: libbynomore2: I think you punks should STFU and QYB'ing....I mean you're bending over and letting Obama do far worse to your future.


money you cannot has

debts you will has.......plenty

get used to it.

Don't forget the 700 BILLION that Bush's administration wasted bailing out Goldman Sachs.

Debts we have are plenty indeed. And deficit spending during a recession is an historically proven economic strategy. it's just never been done on this scale since...well...the "Great Depression".

Using the Great Depression and Roosevelt's actions as a way to support the rationale behind the recent economic "stimulus" packages is a losing strategy.

Actually, it's a near perfect model. Especially the early tax cut Rooosevelt was duped into enacting in 34? 36? It wound up triggering a second serious recessionary dip. You see, tax cuts in times when revenue had been lost and not recovered wound up crippling the economy, again.

And don't forget Nixon, Reagan, Both Bush's and Clinton all had to engage in deficit spending on their watch.

Milton Friedman's theories, while popular and logical on the surface, are impractical to implement in real life.

Poo_Fight: aiiee: U r a idiot.

U r a 12 year old?

Most people here are familiar with the 'Your a idiot' catch-phrase.

Wow. Lots of butt-hurt among the Generation X crowd today.

If you were born in the 70s or later, you've had it better than your parents did. If you went to college, 99% of you had at least some of that expense paid for by your parents.

Your reaction? Die soon, motherfarker.

Fortunately, the courts don't seem to agree with you. I weep for my grandchildren.

Ask yourself: Have I ever provided for someone? ...taken care of/for someone?

If not, please keep your negativity away from the conversation because all you have to add is inconsequential and childish rage. Sorry if mommy didn't love you enough, but you've contributed nothing of your own either, have you? Buhbye!

Gecko Gingrich: Research Borderline Personality Disorder

My dad once exploded at me for answering the question "do you want to be taller?" incorrectly when I was 15. And by "exploded," I mean screamed and bellowed at me for being a biatch for not caring about my height.

When I was a kid, he consistently yelled at me, accused me of not loving him enough, set up invisible lines that only he knew about but I was an ungrateful child if I crossed them. I learned at a young age that the only way to not be yelled at was to avoid him as much as possible. It didn't matter if I behaved. He would find a reason to rip my ego to shreds for even the smallest misunderstandings or perceived slights.

My dad never was physically abusive though.

I feel your pain.

Soylent Green,then the credit companies can eat me!

Poo_Fight: aiiee: U r a idiot.

U r a 12 year old?

I'm 12 and what is this?

Some Bass Playing Guy: When we raised our kids, we taught them that yes, you should go to college and find a good career, but find something that you love doing.

My parents (who are boomers) raised me that way, and I was lucky enough to be able to find a job like that.

I think it's because my grandparents didn't suffer too horribly in the great depression because they had large family farms.

\Both of my grandparent's families have been in America since the mid-1600s

larrycot: Wow. Lots of butt-hurt among the Generation X crowd today.

If you were born in the 70s or later, you've had it better than your parents did. If you went to college, 99% of you had at least some of that expense paid for by your parents.

Your reaction? Die soon, motherfarker.

Fortunately, the courts don't seem to agree with you. I weep for my grandchildren.

You weep for your grandchildren because you taught us how to be parents. You taught us that kids are more trouble than they're worth - to give 'em a flashy toy or send them to extra cirriculars and they'll shut up. You taught us to work so much you're never home and tried to teach us that life sucks and greed is good from the day we first opened our eyes. I weep for your grandchildren too but it is tears of joy -- most of us will never do to our children (if we have them ) what you did to us.

Gecko Gingrich: Border Line Personality Disorder

so, because you have daddy issues, all Boomers are evil? Doesn't sound like you're being very responsible or honest either...

So what happens if the post-boomers just stop taking out loans? You know, no more cars... Saving up for houses... Living within our means... Will they force us to borrow?

When my parents are no longer able to live independently, they'll come and live with me (and my hubby and kids). I used to volunteer at a nursing home and it was the most awful and depressing thing I've ever seen. I'm not sure why Americans moved away from multiple generations living in one home (post-WWII economy?) but I think it's great to have family close so we can take care of each other. My parents have always supported me and I return the favor out of love, not a sense of obligation.
/naive woman, please don't flame me
/k thx

tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

That does sounds like typical human behaviour. fark everyone else, try to seem consistent by blaming location, age, race, wealth, appearance or success.

Don't deny it.

gadian: most of us will never do to our children (if we have them ) what you did to us.

Except, most of the times we find ourself doing what our parents did to us.

I am supprised how quickly this thread turned ugly.


/I hope to do as good a job with my kids as my parents did with me.

I told my parents, "If you wanted someone to look after you when you're old, you should have looked after someone when they were young."

FUUUUHK YOUUUUUUU, worthless sacks o' shiit.

Likuid000: You dickheads already f*cked most everything else up. Saddled the next three generations with your debts, are draining social security...just hurry up and die already

Ha-ha!
Good times.
Thanks.

This is complete and utter BS.

Respect your elders? Yeah. When you respect US. When you stop telling my wife and I we are raising our kids wrong. When you give back the 40k you stole from my college fund so you could buy yourselves a camper, simply because I went to Baylor U instead of the local U-Wisconsin campus.

Most of all, when you call once every other month biatching that we never call you. You know what? You have a phone too. Learn to use it. You want to know why we disprespect you? Because a good portion of you old farts out there, whether you want to beleive it or not, where VERY BAD PARENTS.

Wifey and I are starting the disowning process tommorrow to escape paying my mother's medical bills, that we know are huge because she can't stop talking about it after showing us her new $2000 tv or $3000 alienware computer she plays solitare on.

I have a question, and I'm not sure if it's been asked yet, but...

...Why isn't Grant suing Fichera? I'm sure there is a legal reason why he could, seeing as how he's just been saddled her with bills which she is refusing to pay.

Let's take another step back - why wasn't Fichera sued in the first place? Why did they have to go after her kids?

Frankly, this law sucks. I'm a little worried about it, being that I live in PA, my in-laws are getting up there in age, and my own parents (even though they're young) don't have much money. If anything was to happen to any of them, knowing that I could potentially be in the hole kinda scares me.

The Baby Boomers were responsible for 80s culture.


/and also "That 80s Show."
//burn 'em, I say.

Yes Sound: gadian: most of us will never do to our children (if we have them ) what you did to us.

Except, most of the times we find ourself doing what our parents did to us.

I am supprised how quickly this thread turned ugly.


This is fark, not the Disney site. Any surprise over ugliness and bitterness is entirely inappropriate. Fark is full of bitter, blame-driven people who want somebody else to be responsible for the train wreck that is their life.

rocketkitty: When my parents are no longer able to live independently, they'll come and live with me (and my hubby and kids).


And that's how it's always worked. Good for you.

TeleComplainer: This is complete and utter BS.

Respect your elders? Yeah. When you respect US. When you stop telling my wife and I we are raising our kids wrong. When you give back the 40k you stole from my college fund so you could buy yourselves a camper, simply because I went to Baylor U instead of the local U-Wisconsin campus.

BWAHAHAHAHAAA

Just a question...... Who put the money in your college fund?

I thought so. You're butt-hurt because your parents didn't pay extra for you to go out of state? fark you you little entitled piece of shiat.

If only your dad had beat your ass a little more often when you were young...

Bobby Teenager: The Baby Boomers were responsible for 80s culture."


THIS. The "Get Rich or Die Trying" culture.

...which was a product of mid to late 70's economics


/...and a whole lot of cocaine

Nemo's Brother: If you loved your kids, you would just die already. You and your kind have made America a worse place than when you were given the keys. You are the first generation to do this as well. Please die!

You ungrateful farking bastard.

You act as though you took nothing away from all the benefits you enjoyed bought by the money that was spent. You were raised with the highest living standards in the world, had access to the finest health care, education, culture, and security. But when it became time for you to pay back that debt, including your portion of Social Security and Medicaid, you were such a failure that a guy living in a third world country could do your job better than you are able.

What a farking disappointment you all turned out to be.
Live with it - it's that personal responsibility thing.

RemyDuron: Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

that sounds like a book, a scary, sad book

TAAAANK!

rocketkitty: When my parents are no longer able to live independently, they'll come and live with me (and my hubby and kids). I used to volunteer at a nursing home and it was the most awful and depressing thing I've ever seen. I'm not sure why Americans moved away from multiple generations living in one home (post-WWII economy?) but I think it's great to have family close so we can take care of each other. My parents have always supported me and I return the favor out of love, not a sense of obligation.
/naive woman, please don't flame me
/k thx

You are working on the assumption that the bad kids are turning away their poor parents. Think again. My mom is slowing becoming less able to care for herself, and my sister (who lives in the same town as me), WANTS her to move in. Mom refuses, because she doesn't want to move to a different town. My bro would take her in, too, but she doesn't want to live with his (well-behaved) stepkids. She won't live with me because I'm not in her hometown, either. So she is just not dealing with her loss of independence. But it's not because her kids are SOBs.

Likuid000: You dickheads already f*cked most everything else up. Saddled the next three generations with your debts, are draining social security...just hurry up and die already

TFA: The Havertown man is nearly 50 and struggling to pay his mortgage and $100,000 in student loans incurred by his daughter, a recent Albright College grad.

Because, apparently, only parents incur huge debts, the childeren never, ever do.

//Get off my lawn
/// AND pay for your own education!

Nemo's Brother: If you loved your kids, you would just die already.

One more thing...

As tough for you to face the truth as I know it is, it was your side of the political aisle that spent this money and created this catastrophe.

You own it - all of it.

this is relevant to me because i leech off of my dad's credit if you want to screw yourself name you kids your name aka jr, 3rd so on. credit companies fail to look at whos who. yay me.

ciocia: Yes Sound: gadian: most of us will never do to our children (if we have them ) what you did to us.

Except, most of the times we find ourself doing what our parents did to us.

I am supprised how quickly this thread turned ugly.


This is fark, not the Disney site. Any surprise over ugliness and bitterness is entirely inappropriate. Fark is full of bitter, blame-driven people who want somebody else to be responsible for the train wreck that is their life.

Dammit I forgot, but for some reason, I just can't look away.

cehlen: Does anyone know if this law can be enforced in Ohio or Virginia?

If the judgement is entered in Pennsylvania, then they would domesticate the judgement either in Ohio or Virginia. And thanks to the full faith and credit clause, the creditor would be able to collect under the laws of those states.

That out of the way, let this be proof that boomers have to be collectively the biggest assholes ever spawned. After all their hedonism in the 60's they gave us zero tolerance policies, mandatory sentences, amoking bans, and DUI checkpoints. Not content with that, they expect following generations to keep Medicare and Social Security solvent. Not even content with that, they'll stick their kids with their bills.

Just farking die already

gadian: Our parents told us to get an education, but never taught us how to value an education. Our parents told us to get a good job without ever explaining what that was. Our parents told us to love our family without teaching us what family meant. Our parents missed out on us growing up because we did so while they were staying late at work. Because of that, we'll always be children to them. And now our parents are surprised that we're callous, cold, and confused?

You're right. The produced a whiner. Partial fail.

GSD4Ever: This is the very reason I have my Mossberg and three shells readily available.

three?? really I have full clip myself. In case the rugrat runs.

So today I'm the corporate parasite and tomorrow I'm the patchouli poster boy? Here's a news flash - "respect" means to look again, or "second sight" if you will; the art of seeing beneath the surface of things to discern more than face value. Any person who says "you are all this way" is ignorant and blind, especially if it's "you are all that way" tomorrow. Practise a little discernment.

I didn't see the law in question being cited. What law? Some law in another country? From centuries ago? How is a law in another country being used in a court in this country?

I'm no lawyer. I just want one to splane it to me.

Lorelle: Did anyone bother to read the article? It's about a Boomer whose mother is screwing him over by not paying her medical bills, and whose daughter is screwing him over by not paying back her student loans.

why RTFA when we can go off as we are..This is Fark we dont RTFA..

This is pretty much nationwide - and in South Dakota the nursing homes even go after WOOKIES!!

Random Reality Check:
You act as though you took nothing away from all the benefits you enjoyed bought by the money that was spent. You were raised with the highest living standards in the world, had access to the finest health care, education, culture, and security. But when it became time for you to pay back that debt, including your portion of Social Security and Medicaid, you were such a failure that a guy living in a third world country could do your job better than you are able.


None of this will never, ever, ever replace parental love, affection and attention. We don't farking care about all this. This is all "stuff". If given a choice between "things" and parental love and attention, we'd much rather have the parental love and attention. That is all we wanted.

This is what the Boomers don't seem to understand. You have to stop thinking of this in terms of tangible objects. And then they wonder why the younger generations are so angry at them...

I would not mind supporting my mother. My father can DIAF though. He is the biggest asshole I ever met. My mother just had a "huge" party for his 65th birthday. Guess how many of his eight children attended? Zero.

entitled:
You're right. The They produced a whiner. Partial fail.

FTFM

X-boxershorts:

Actually, it's a near perfect model. Especially the early tax cut Rooosevelt was duped into enacting in 34? 36? It wound up triggering a second serious recessionary dip. You see, tax cuts in times when revenue had been lost and not recovered wound up crippling the economy, again.

And don't forget Nixon, Reagan, Both Bush's and Clinton all had to engage in deficit spending on their watch.

Milton Friedman's theories, while popular and logical on the surface, are impractical to implement in real life.

You won't find many economists who agree with you. Almost all economists agree that FDR's actions directed toward the economy prolonged the Great Depression.

I don't disagree with deficit spending...but it can be overdone. And it is being overdone, currently.

My boomer dad is way more financially responsible than I can even dream of being.

Random Reality Check: Nemo's Brother: If you loved your kids, you would just die already. You and your kind have made America a worse place than when you were given the keys. You are the first generation to do this as well. Please die!

You ungrateful farking bastard.

You act as though you took nothing away from all the benefits you enjoyed bought by the money that was spent. You were raised with the highest living standards in the world, had access to the finest health care, education, culture, and security. But when it became time for you to pay back that debt, including your portion of Social Security and Medicaid, you were such a failure that a guy living in a third world country could do your job better than you are able.

What a farking disappointment you all turned out to be.
Live with it - it's that personal responsibility thing.

Wait, what? We owe you? This is a joke, right? We owe you for the second rate schools and hypocritical politicians? Soylent Green's starting to sound mighty tasty...

RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

THIS!

/thread over.....

EdgeRunner: wee: That's a mighty wide brush some of you are painting the US population with...

Most Internet debates depend on painting everyone with wide brushes. Just reference any "Spiritualists vs. Atheists" argument, or "Conservatives vs. Liberals" wankfest. The xenophobia and provincialism displayed by all sides is often astounding.

It's no surprise a lot of this "conversation" is largely dominated by idiots slapping the tiresome "young is better, old is stupid" brush around, while getting spanked right back with the "old is better, young is stupid" paint roller. It's like watching a Mentos commercial duke it out with an Old Spice ad, only not as entertaining.

/we should all get along. Mentos and Old Spice both taste relatively the same, and neither is safe to swallow with Diet Coke

old spice? your lawn will probably be owned by the state soon.

larrycot:
Sure some of you (as I did) put yourselves through college.

THE VAST MAJORITY DID NOT. So please go find your peers who sucked on the parental teat and blame them. Until then, just shut up and open your checkbook. Every good thing that happened from birth until you moved the fark out of your parent's house had a price. Once you've paid every nickel of that back, you can biatch. Until then, just shut up and give. Just like your parents did for you.

Kids don't owe their parents a damn thing. The parents made the decision to create them and they made every single decision on what to provide for them. I will take care of my parents because I want to, not out of some sense of repaying a debt.

cmb53208: That out of the way, let this be proof that boomers have to be collectively the biggest assholes ever spawned. After all their hedonism in the 60's they gave us zero tolerance policies, mandatory sentences, amoking bans, and DUI checkpoints. Not content with that, they expect following generations to keep Medicare and Social Security solvent. Not even content with that, they'll stick their kids with their bills.

Just farking die already

This. The baby boomers, as a generation, have taken more--and given back less--than any generation in history. A hundred years from now, society will still be paying off the debt they've rung up, cleaning up the environmental mess they've made, and repairing the social damage their "Me! Me! ME!" attitudes have done to the entire world.

Shrinkwrap: My boomer dad is way more financially responsible than I can even dream of being.

Pretty much this. He had saved enough for all three of his kids, including my half-sister, to go to college free of charge. (I was the only one who took him up on the offer.) Now, the economy tanking in 2001 did put a dent in the account, so he made me a deal: I finish school, and he'll pay back my student loans. And he did.

I'm kind of glad my parents were the kind, supportive sort. And because they're financially responsible, I'll not have to worry about their debts when the die. Hell, they're already saving up for my daughters' college tuition.

gadian: parents missed out on us growing up because we did so while they were staying late at work. Because of that, we'll always be children to them.


Wow. That helps explain why some old people repeat the same joke over and over and over again over the years to their adult "children" and still expect the joke to be funny.

Weaver95: eddyatwork: This is bullshiat.

welcome to pennsylvania.

And here I was being told the smell was just pollution.

ciocia: rocketkitty: When my parents are no longer able to live independently, they'll come and live with me (and my hubby and kids). I used to volunteer at a nursing home and it was the most awful and depressing thing I've ever seen. I'm not sure why Americans moved away from multiple generations living in one home (post-WWII economy?) but I think it's great to have family close so we can take care of each other. My parents have always supported me and I return the favor out of love, not a sense of obligation.
/naive woman, please don't flame me
/k thx

You are working on the assumption that the bad kids are turning away their poor parents. Think again. My mom is slowing becoming less able to care for herself, and my sister (who lives in the same town as me), WANTS her to move in. Mom refuses, because she doesn't want to move to a different town. My bro would take her in, too, but she doesn't want to live with his (well-behaved) stepkids. She won't live with me because I'm not in her hometown, either. So she is just not dealing with her loss of independence. But it's not because her kids are SOBs.

You're absolutely right, I bet lots of older adults hate to admit that they can't/shouldn't live alone. I'm really just sort of depressed that so many people seem to have a "Fark you, mom and dad, go live in a box" attitude. Unless those parents were truly scumbags, in which case I'll donate the box.

Gecko Gingrich: X-boxershorts: Farkin Generation X and their "Greed is Good" MBA fueled mantra is what brought us where we are today.

Yuppies (ie, Baby Boomers) started the whole "Greed is Good" bullshiat.



/why yes i am reading all the comments

stiletto_the_wise: This. The baby boomers, as a generation, have taken more--and given back less--than any generation in history. A hundred years from now, society will still be paying off the debt they've rung up, cleaning up the environmental mess they've made, and repairing the social damage their "Me! Me! ME!" attitudes have done to the entire world.

I'm sure blacks, women and gays would disagree.

Just out of curiosity,can a resident of Pennsylvania be forced to sell a house to pay off debts?

"...and all the corporations are all corporation-y!"



Yes. Yes they are. When you get it wrong, Trey and Matt, you get it so wrong.

msannomalley: None of this will never, ever, ever replace parental love, affection and attention. This is what the Boomers don't seem to understand. You have to stop thinking of this in terms of tangible objects. And then they wonder why the younger generations are so angry at them...

You are full of your own mind. I have few possessions in this world, but my children have love from me born of insights most people never will conceptualise, and that's no boast.

Some of us "boomers" have spent our entire adult lives working to understand what it means to be human, because the society that preceded ours seemed so frequently rigid inside that it was hard to be part of it. We have rejected materialism and, frankly, were disgusted with the 80s excesses and the "peers" who indulged in them. Bear in mind, most of climbers in the Beemers were children of early "boomers" and do not identify with the peace/love 60s at all. They just wanted stuff.

Anyone who experiences relationship problems and has issues with some particular individual which need resolving, had better speak the hell up. You are part of that relationship. If you have tried to no avail, get over your anger, and live. Lots of "boomers" wrote books about that "getting in touch" stuff - read one.

gadian: larrycot: Wow. Lots of butt-hurt among the Generation X crowd today.

If you were born in the 70s or later, you've had it better than your parents did. If you went to college, 99% of you had at least some of that expense paid for by your parents.

Your reaction? Die soon, motherfarker.

Fortunately, the courts don't seem to agree with you. I weep for my grandchildren.

You weep for your grandchildren because you taught us how to be parents. You taught us that kids are more trouble than they're worth - to give 'em a flashy toy or send them to extra cirriculars and they'll shut up. You taught us to work so much you're never home and tried to teach us that life sucks and greed is good from the day we first opened our eyes. I weep for your grandchildren too but it is tears of joy -- most of us will never do to our children (if we have them ) what you did to us.

personal responsibility...i commend it to you.

tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

I'm sorry, but you baby boomers really are the worst generation, and now you're electing yourselves presidents and senators. Please do the world a favor and die soon without taking everyone else with you.

Shrinkwrap: My boomer dad is way more financially responsible than I can even dream of being.

My Boomer mother has managed to consistently stay in debt, even with a 6 digit salary.

/And let me tell you her "contributions" to our education was basically co-signing our loans.
//And don't get me started on my step-dad...

turdmist: RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

THIS!

/thread over.....

Lol, don't comprehend this is the distilled essence of the hippy/boomer ethic? Need proof Boomers screwed the world? Look at the crotch fruit they dropped.

rocketkitty: When my parents are no longer able to live independently, they'll come and live with me (and my hubby and kids). I used to volunteer at a nursing home and it was the most awful and depressing thing I've ever seen. I'm not sure why Americans moved away from multiple generations living in one home (post-WWII economy?) but I think it's great to have family close so we can take care of each other. My parents have always supported me and I return the favor out of love, not a sense of obligation.
/naive woman, please don't flame me
/k thx

I think you might be in for a disappointment, especially if either/both of your parents get dementia or alzheimers.

I agree that nursing homes can be depressing places; group care homes (small, independent homes serving 4-6 patients) are a much better situation, and usually cheaper, too (if you worked in a nursing home, you know how expensive it can be). However, at some point you may have to bite the bullet and put your parent(s) in a home. Nobody is superman (or woman); you may be able to take care of them temporarily, but there will come a time when you will say "enough! I can't constantly get up every other hour to transfer my mother to the potty chair and then wipe her butt; I haven't been able to sleep for more than 2 hours in a row for over 8 months; my back is out and my neck is killing me; oh, and when will she/he/them stop chanting for hours!"...

Believe me, I know where I am coming from. I (and my wife) are there currently with my own mother. We tried to place her into a home, once it became apparent she was no longer helping with transfer, and was dead weight to move around (not that she knows or cares; she hardly knows who we are, nor what time of day it is). She was only in a group home for a couple of weeks when she began screaming through the night for hours on end, keeping the entire home awake. She was "kicked out".

We had her evaluated for hospice; they ended up taking her. They transferred her to a hospice care center where she stayed a week. She made so much noise during her first day she ended up waking a person up (in the adjacent bed) from a diabetic COMA (who had been in it for a few weeks). Haldol and morphine (prescribed by hospice) have not been enough to calm her down to a point where ANY care home will take care of her. She will not stay asleep at night more than a few hours; she wakes up and chants all night (with a few screaming fits). She is not lucid during any of this (not that she is very lucid when she is "awake"). We did manage to find one facility who would take her (a special in-patient alheimers/dementia center); it would only cost about $11,000 per month.

We ended up bringing her back home with hospice helping out, along with a help from friends and some family. She is still on Haldol and morphine, and is a bit quieter (still chanting and screaming at night; sundowner behavior). If there were a place we could place her, we would. We've been doing this since October, her health (and mental facilities) have been on a rapid downhill slide ever since.

I don't think any child who loves their parent(s) would want them to be in a nursing home, especially if they know what they are like. They are depressing and sometimes ugly places. But I can certainly understand if someone has to place their parent(s) in one; sometimes it becomes the only choice if you want to have any hope of providing adequate and proper care for your loved one.

Dull Cow Eyes: Bobby Teenager: The Baby Boomers were responsible for 80s culture."


THIS. The "Get Rich or Die Trying" culture.

...which was a product of mid to late 70's economics


/...and a whole lot of cocaine

Actually, man, I was thinking more along the lines of this:



But, yeah. You're right, too.

gadian: larrycot: Wow. Lots of butt-hurt among the Generation X crowd today.

If you were born in the 70s or later, you've had it better than your parents did. If you went to college, 99% of you had at least some of that expense paid for by your parents.

Your reaction? Die soon, motherfarker.

Fortunately, the courts don't seem to agree with you. I weep for my grandchildren.

You weep for your grandchildren because you taught us how to be parents. You taught us that kids are more trouble than they're worth - to give 'em a flashy toy or send them to extra cirriculars and they'll shut up. You taught us to work so much you're never home and tried to teach us that life sucks and greed is good from the day we first opened our eyes. I weep for your grandchildren too but it is tears of joy -- most of us will never do to our children (if we have them ) what you did to us.

My parents "worked all the time" because they were poor, and I never begrudged them. It's hard to survive, and harder to get a bunch of kids to survive with you, and especially to make sure they know everything they need to survive when they are off the teat.

They never gave me college money--so I'm not whining about having to go to a local college (the horror!) like some posters. Furthermore, I never expected them to put me through college. I did it myself, and am grateful they fed, clothed and sheltered me till I was 18. I wasn't entitled to more.

My parents had more issues than the National Geographic but you know what? They did good. And I love them. And my happiness is now my responsibility, because I am a grown-ass woman.

//Even though mom called late last night to accuse me of hiding her Drambuie. :D

Jeffrey.Rodriguez: Euthanize them, and the farker who came up with that law.

No, that farker needs to be Euthanized, resurrected, Euthanized again, pulverized, creamated, have his ashes mixed pig feces, smeared on the earth, and that earth salted.

Wow, came here to blast the scum-sucking lawyers (who are really to blame) but look at all the whiny emo kids with their "You messed up the country! Why can't you just die?!? Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaaa!"

Way to set yourselves up for failure, all the while blaming it on somebody else. Somebody needs to grow the fark up and get over it.

tb tibbles: Just out of curiosity,can a resident of Pennsylvania be forced to sell a house to pay off debts?

Don't give them any ideas!

More proof that lawyers all need a good shooting in the face.

n3philim: This article actually scares the living hell out of me. My adoptive parents are in the process of moving to Pennsylvania, and while it sounds like my dad will be making some acceptable amount of money they have debts up the wazzoo racked up around the country and basically will spend every last cent they can get their greedy hands on (including mine, both sides of my grandparents, and various "friends" of my dad) on fancy food and gambling. I have people who get my phone number already and harass me for debts incurred by my parents. My parents are irresponsible and can in no way handle money, and I have no desire to be financially tied to them. Any FARK lawyers have any suggestions for how to avoid what is happening in this article?

We need some equivalent of the Witness Protection Program, but one where they keep your identity and whereabouts a secret from your parents.

/would sign up for that in a heartbeat
//good luck to you

uatuba: X-boxershorts:

Actually, it's a near perfect model. Especially the early tax cut Rooosevelt was duped into enacting in 34? 36? It wound up triggering a second serious recessionary dip. You see, tax cuts in times when revenue had been lost and not recovered wound up crippling the economy, again.

And don't forget Nixon, Reagan, Both Bush's and Clinton all had to engage in deficit spending on their watch.

Milton Friedman's theories, while popular and logical on the surface, are impractical to implement in real life.

You won't find many Friedman economists who agree with you. Almost all Friedman economists agree that FDR's actions directed toward the economy prolonged the Great Depression. Keynsian economists, on the other hand, including the current Nobel laureate, tend to believe the current stimulus effort was severely underfunded.

FTFY, you know why?

Because...
Your view of history, it is too one sided. And the trickle down Friedman types just exploded a world of hurt on the world. so...it seems they're down a notch or two on the credibility scale.

I don't disagree with deficit spending...but it can be overdone. And it is being overdone, currently.


What was overdone, was tax cuts, 2 wars and cuts in domestic funding to the tune of bridges falling during rush hour. It is now time to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and to provide incentive for new industry. The current deficit spending is woefully insufficient to make a dent in what really needs to be done.

RemyDuron:
It felt good when I was typing it, although it seems sort of condescending and nasty upon rereading. Not really what I intended, and I was speaking rather generally.

Not the vibe I got from it at all. Actually, it seemed rather sad, lamenting the relegation of a once-valuable demographic to high irrelevance.

The elderly today were born and grew up when the technology curve was still flat. Now they barely can remember how to turn the TV on and find the channels with old movies before the paradigm shifts and they have to alter their worldview again when all they want is to watch Jimmy Stewart, because they can't do much of anything else.

Nemo's Brother: You and your kind have made America a worse place than when you were given the keys. You are the first generation to do this as well. Please die!

Word for word.

From a genetic standpoint, if the older generation cannot bear young, care for young, or somehow contribute to the welfare of the young (most especially their descendants), they're not worth wasting resources on.

In the case in TFA, the mother is actually a negative asset, or a liability, to her genetic lineage. Her conscious actions are causing a definable burden against her son's ability to bear more young and possibly her granddaughter's ability to find the best mate to bear young with.

Yes, I know that the presence of consciousness and the ability for intelligent thought and determinations might preclude an individual from a natural evolutionary track, but, as a species, we should be able to make decisions that counteract the individual's faulty choices.

I believe the Eskimos had it right. When an elder was no longer useful to the tribe, they willingly put themselves on an ice floe. This was done for the good of the whole tribe. We are not that much removed evolutionarily from the Eskimos that this should not still be the practice. If an elder is no longer producing more than he/she consumes and is not able to contribute in a satisfactory manner to the upbringing of later generations, the burden should be eliminated.

Gecko Gingrich: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Respect is something that is earned, not handed out willy nilly.

So is hate.

JoeBagadonutz: You mean there's a way to screw over my tattooed, worthless, disrespectful son who bled me white for child support for 21 years? Yes! There is a God!

Actually no, a child under 18 has absolutely no means of "bleeding your white", blame his mother, and the courts. But ultimately its your fault. The child on the other hand has no legal rights and whose disrespect is a result of his upbringing more than anything (again you and your wife's fault). Do you think a 5 year old suddenly decides, "You know what I'm going to be an asshole for the rest of my life"

JoeBagadonutz: You mean there's a way to screw over my tattooed, worthless, disrespectful son who bled me white for child support for 21 years? Yes! There is a God!

You had to financially support the child you helped create? Oh the humanity.


Dick.

Poor little foofoo generation
this may interfere with their talking on cellphones and $10 cups of coffee

Some Bass Playing Guy: Nice job painting all boomers with the same brush, jackass.

In any case, even if this were true, different generations were raised with different ideas of what working meant. When I was in HS my parents always told me to go to college so I could get a "good job" and make "good money". To them earning a high salary was something they had instilled in them. It didn't matter to them if you loved or hated your job. It only mattered that it paid well. They had it instilled in them by their parents who lived through the depression.

When we raised our kids, we taught them that yes, you should go to college and find a good career, but find something that you love doing.

The difference is generational ethics.

Go back another generation and they never would have taken out the loans that babyboomers and later have no problem with. They had the options. Would have made the later half of their life much more luxurious to just borrow... but it went against their generational beliefs.

Yes there are generational ethics and belief systems. It's the reason why managers across the globe right now are struggling to learn how to best manage the next generation now entering the workforce. Different brains need to be handled differently to get optimal performance.

Study any management book and you'll see a substantial part of it dedicated to the past 3 or 4 generations and the differences in ethics and morals. Each one is worlds apart though generally speaking it's cyclical as each tends to rebel from their parents.

Finding those who gave themselves multi-million dollar bonuses at the expense of leading their company to it's demise acceptable is a generational thing. Generally baby boomers don't mind this as much as other generations in the tradition of "if they had the power to do it, they earned it"... while their parents, and children believe the ethics of it is dubious at best.

If you look at those who think Bernie Madoff is evil, vs those who think he was treated unfairly.... you'll see the same generational splits. Boomers interviewed on TV tend to be more sympathetic to "he was just providing for his family and got carried away" vs their children's "he's Satan and needs to be burned".

Generational ethics is an undeniable part of our society. Go back to "the greatest generation" and what's going on today would have never been acceptable. Today? Well obviously it is.

cr0sh: rocketkitty: When my parents are no longer able to live independently, they'll come and live with me (and my hubby and kids). I used to volunteer at a nursing home and it was the most awful and depressing thing I've ever seen. I'm not sure why Americans moved away from multiple generations living in one home (post-WWII economy?) but I think it's great to have family close so we can take care of each other. My parents have always supported me and I return the favor out of love, not a sense of obligation.
/naive woman, please don't flame me
/k thx

I think you might be in for a disappointment, especially if either/both of your parents get dementia or alzheimers.

I agree that nursing homes can be depressing places; group care homes (small, independent homes serving 4-6 patients) are a much better situation, and usually cheaper, too (if you worked in a nursing home, you know how expensive it can be). However, at some point you may have to bite the bullet and put your parent(s) in a home. Nobody is superman (or woman); you may be able to take care of them temporarily, but there will come a time when you will say "enough! I can't constantly get up every other hour to transfer my mother to the potty chair and then wipe her butt; I haven't been able to sleep for more than 2 hours in a row for over 8 months; my back is out and my neck is killing me; oh, and when will she/he/them stop chanting for hours!"...

Believe me, I know where I am coming from. I (and my wife) are there currently with my own mother. We tried to place her into a home, once it became apparent she was no longer helping with transfer, and was dead weight to move around (not that she knows or cares; she hardly knows who we are, nor what time of day it is). She was only in a group home for a couple of weeks when she began screaming through the night for hours on end, keeping the entire home awake. She was "kicked out".

We had her evaluated for hospice; they ended up taking her. They transferred her to a hospice care center where she stayed a week. She made so much noise during her first day she ended up waking a person up (in the adjacent bed) from a diabetic COMA (who had been in it for a few weeks). Haldol and morphine (prescribed by hospice) have not been enough to calm her down to a point where ANY care home will take care of her. She will not stay asleep at night more than a few hours; she wakes up and chants all night (with a few screaming fits). She is not lucid during any of this (not that she is very lucid when she is "awake"). We did manage to find one facility who would take her (a special in-patient alheimers/dementia center); it would only cost about $11,000 per month.

We ended up bringing her back home with hospice helping out, along with a help from friends and some family. She is still on Haldol and morphine, and is a bit quieter (still chanting and screaming at night; sundowner behavior). If there were a place we could place her, we would. We've been doing this since October, her health (and mental facilities) have been on a rapid downhill slide ever since.

I don't think any child who loves their parent(s) would want them to be in a nursing home, especially if they know what they are like. They are depressing and sometimes ugly places. But I can certainly understand if someone has to place their parent(s) in one; sometimes it becomes the only choice if you want to have any hope of providing adequate and proper care for your loved one.

Thank you for sharing your story. My father ended up going to hospice because of lung cancer. I had to keep him on powerful narcotics so he could function. It got to be too much and his cancer moved quickly. We couldn't have made it without liquid narcotics and hospice.

AVENGE YOURSELF! Live long enough to become a problem to your children.

Taxes = slavery

There was a point were taxes were at about 1% of gross income and most where voluntary.

Now you either pay, go to jail or leave the country.

Yeah I see the real freedom here, and there is no disputing if they were wrong or right. YOU PAY, YOU PAY NOW!

Trik: Poor little foofoo generation
this may interfere with their talking on cellphones and $10 cups of coffee

Yeah, damn boomers.

madblader: There was a point were taxes were at about 1% of gross income and most where voluntary.

There was also a point where you had to know how to use a flintlock musket or the Savages would kill you, burn your house to the ground, and steal your children.

But we've got beyond that.

the threadjackers have completely missed the point....and yet made it at the same time.........


See how you people come to Obama's defense when you're talking about the debts he and his economic policies will leave you?

And yet you biatch about the debts your parents are leaving you?

If you're willing to pay the debts of this irresponsible President's spending then pay for the irresponsible spending of your parents to and ( as I said ) STFU about it.

The Icelander: I also don't like that I'll have to pay off the debts of these irresponsible presidents:

To be fair, a decent chunk of Reagan's debts were necessary - our military hardware was hideously outdated for a while there.

The other two, not so much.

X-boxershorts: uatuba: X-boxershorts:

drivel


First of all, it's Keynesian. Secondly, his theory is based on the government working against the current economic conditions (increase taxes/cut certain programs when times are good and DECREASE taxes/increase certain programs when times are bad). You are boiling the theory down to deficit spending alone (which I said could be a good thing), but that is absolutely not all there is to it. His theory, as it applies to our current situation, is that deficit spending on labor and industry heavy infrastructure projects (not social programs) will help in a down economy.

I happen to agree. FDR took it too far by adding wasteful (and unsustainable) social programs. Because according to the Keynesian theory, we should have cut those programs when the economy rebounded. Furthermore, for you to assert that tax cuts--in and of themselves--are bad simply shows how little you know of Keynes' ideas. Tax cuts are appropriate and encouraged when the economy is down; tax increases are appropriate and encouraged when the economy is up.

The Icelander: libbynomore2: If you're willing to pay the debts of this irresponsible President's spending then pay for the irresponsible spending of your parents to and ( as I said ) STFU about it.

I also don't like that I'll have to pay off the debts of these irresponsible presidents:

don't forget


and

The Icelander: and eas81:

Yeah, you're both right, so shake hands and be nice. We can add Nixon and Carter to that too.

/I'm only 27, not old enough to know everything about all of 'em.
//Those who seek power probably shouldn't have it.

My parents have gambled away everything and are deep in debt, but that's alright, I plan on "taking care" of them in their old age.

... Because spineless tenderfoot americans are afraid to trigger the off switch when they are no longer viable.

it is said that Queen Victoria died standing up, after days of sleepless terror of dying while asleep.

the thought of waking up in an old folks home would get me reach'n for my revolver...

BOOM!!!

Only thing I could think of but I play Gears of War all the time.

IronTom: although,, the parents have to pay a lot of shiat for their little kiddies who get sick, get in trouble, etc.

I'm sorry. Please remind me when I chose to be born, when I chose my parents, and when I chose how my parents would raise me from birth.

You people need to crack a book every now and again:


http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-William-Strauss/dp/0767900464

Basic summary, bring back a more cyclical view of the passage of time and suddenly American history lines up neatly in roughly 80-100 year cycles consisting of four generations each. Each cycle repeats in exactly the same pattern.

For instance, the majority of the names that we know from the American Revolution were from their cycles equivalent of the GenXers, who would lead their "millennials" to victory. It happened again during WWII. The last two ALWAYS get stuck cleaning up after the first two. It's what we do, it's our function in the cycle.

Another good one:

http://www.amazon.com/Saves-World-Generation-Everything-Sucking/dp/0670018589

one of the worst experiences of my life was caring for my ailing mother as she progressed thru diabetes and eventually brain cancer.
late night calls to come help her back in bed after she had fallen out ,to having her not recognize me in her last days.


it was also one ill never regret doing,as she truly loved me,and made my young life,and even my not so young life better. she did without so we kids could have the things we wanted,and never asked
for a thing from us.and i still care for my father,i put him foremost in my life as i know i wont have him forever either.
sure,i rebelled when i was a teen and got in a lot of trouble but they never gave up on me. i see it as my honored duty to care for him in his advancing years even if it does cost me a bit socially.
and its not like im expecting a big inheritance either,he spends all his money on his kids,grandkids,and thier kids. he doesnt know the meaning of greed. i geuss i have been blessed with a good set of parents and many of you havent.i truly feel sorry for you. all this generational hate is to me a very sad thing.
it makes me think most of you dont appreciate what you actually have or how you came to have it. for all your so called liberal leanings and so called social consiousness,you young farkers are really starting to sound like the worst kind of bigots i have ever had to discourse with. what im getting from reading most of your posts is that social responsibility has taken a huge step backwards,and that a new me me me type of thought process has taken its place.and that is what it really is,masked as outright indignation at another generation.
it is simply greed.

Wow... another Boomer hate thread.

They really ruined America, with stuff like equal rights, legalized abortion, birth control pills, ending the draft, and flying to the moon. Not to mention all that shiatty music like Hendrix, Clapton, and Led Zeppelin.

Damn, they suck!

/sarcasm

ChrisPC: They really ruined America, with stuff like equal rights, legalized abortion, birth control pills, ending the draft, and flying to the moon. Not to mention all that shiatty music like Hendrix, Clapton, and Led Zeppelin.

The music I'll give you. Most of that other stuff was not done by Boomers, primarily.

dreadprophet: Also, you're a presumptuous cock. Some of us put ourselves through college.

On top of that, college is MUCH more expensive now than when the Boomers were young. They benefited from government policies that made higher education affordable for the middle class, and then gutted those policies in exchange for lower taxes and made their kids take out student loans to pay for massively inflated education costs. So I'm not inclined to listen to any sort of wharrgarbl about how young people today have it easy on paying for college.

larrycot:
Aw... Did I hurt your widdle feelings...

Sure some of you (as I did) put yourselves through college.

THE VAST MAJORITY DID NOT. So please go find your peers who sucked on the parental teat and blame them. Until then, just shut up and open your checkbook. Every good thing that happened from birth until you moved the fark out of your parent's house had a price. Once you've paid every nickel of that back, you can biatch. Until then, just shut up and give. Just like your parents did for you.

Sounds like you have some of your own offspring who won't give you the time of day. You probably deserve it.

DIGITALgimpus: Each one is worlds apart though generally speaking it's cyclical as each tends to rebel from their parents.

That was a very insightful post. My theory is that each generation actually rebels primarily against the most repulsive aspects of their parents' generation, and makes the opposite of that part of their generational ethics. Now we're seeing the backlash against the greed of the Baby Boomer generation, with young people who aren't as willing to sell their quality of life to a corporation to get a higher salary. I also think, based on the attitudes I've observed, that there's a major backlash against some other things like the massive divorce rate, too.

Personally, I think that my parents (particularly my mom) and I have fundamentally different attitudes about money. She is responsible, thankfully, but she is OBSESSED with constantly amassing more wealth (to the point where all she ever wants to talk about with me when I call her is whether I'm making more money, getting job prospects to move up for more money, getting promotions/raises, etc). It actually is starting to piss me off, to the point where I've told her "Mom, I don't care about money like you do, and I'd rather talk about something more pleasant". To me, money is a means to an end, and something that can buy me security and quality of life. To her, it's like money IS the end. I don't get it, but I think it has to do with this generational divide.

Mnemia: dreadprophet: Also, you're a presumptuous cock. Some of us put ourselves through college.

On top of that, college is MUCH more expensive now than when the Boomers were young. They benefited from government policies that made higher education affordable for the middle class, and then gutted those policies in exchange for lower taxes and made their kids take out student loans to pay for massively inflated education costs. So I'm not inclined to listen to any sort of wharrgarbl about how young people today have it easy on paying for college.

The GI Bill? You can still get that, just join the military.

TeleComplainer: This is complete and utter BS.

Respect your elders? Yeah. When you respect US. When you stop telling my wife and I we are raising our kids wrong. When you give back the 40k you stole from my college fund so you could buy yourselves a camper, simply because I went to Baylor U instead of the local U-Wisconsin campus.

Most of all, when you call once every other month biatching that we never call you. You know what? You have a phone too. Learn to use it. You want to know why we disprespect you? Because a good portion of you old farts out there, whether you want to beleive it or not, where VERY BAD PARENTS.

Wifey and I are starting the disowning process tommorrow to escape paying my mother's medical bills, that we know are huge because she can't stop talking about it after showing us her new $2000 tv or $3000 alienware computer she plays solitare on.

Good luck. I haven't talked to my mother/stepfather combo in over 10 years for similar emotional abuse / ranting raving loonbag dipshiat crazy behavior etc. It's unfortunate, but it beats the alternative (not having your own life).

DontTouchMyPeanuts: To whoever was asking if this is the law in Virginia: oh yeah it is. (new window)

um was repealed in 1992 ...
read the next page

ChrisPC: The GI Bill? You can still get that, just join the military.

No, not just the GI bill. I'm talking about lesser state government funding of higher education, which forces schools to raise tuition.

Gecko Gingrich: What about the Hunters and the Smokers?

Came for this. Leaving satisfied.

best troll of the thread winner: larrycot

I wonder how many of these felt it their constitutional right to have a Nintendo 64 in their bedrooms hooked up to a color television with cable. Some of these also wish their parents dead, today. 15 years ago they knew full well who was paying for tuition. They still know if times are really tough who they'll call first to ask for help. (Hint: it won't be a Generation X'er.)

Generation X was born 1964 thru 1978. The N64 was released in the fall of 1996. Meaning even the yougnest x-er's were at least 18 at the time and the vast majority had already graduated college at that point.

The "constitutional right" people you are referring to are Generation Y: Born 1979 thru 1997, many to older boomers who, after waking up from whatever haze they were under in the 70's, began overcompensating for the mistakes they made with their ignored first batch and creating the terms "helicoper parent"/"precious snowflake" in the process.

Generation Y thus far is known primarily for its sense of entitlement, inabilty to function without the internet, and the crappy music of the late 90's and 00's.

/rambling

Mayor Bee: I believe the Eskimos had it right. When an elder was no longer useful to the tribe, they willingly put themselves on an ice floe. This was done for the good of the whole tribe. We are not that much removed evolutionarily from the Eskimos that this should not still be the practice. If an elder is no longer producing more than he/she consumes and is not able to contribute in a satisfactory manner to the upbringing of later generations, the burden should be eliminated.

Which is why my current "retirement home" plan involves a loaded shotgun. When I'm old and decrepit, I'll be a corpse before I get tossed in a home.

fusillade762: If children can be held responsible for their parents debts can the parents be arrested if their children repeatedly break the law as minors?

This could get interesting.

I'm not sure if they could or not. But it seems stupid (again, doesn't mean they won't...)

Take a productive member of society (albiet a failure at parenting) and stick them in jail costing money not only to the tax payers to keep them in jail, but also costing money through the lack of productivity.

Meanwhile, the person actually causing the crimes is still running around causing crimes.

This is the definition of fail.

DrForrester: The legal concept of requiring children to support their parents predates colonial America.

"New," subby? Really?

The Native Americans were apparently hella hard on their kids.

"Brown Eagle died, but still owes Squatting Coyote three fish, a dog and two wives. Suck it up son."

/just havin' fun.
//native.

I remember reading somewhere (and I don't have a cite for this) that the concept of requiring children to pay the debts of their children dates back to Old Testament law. There was an exception, however: If the parent did not pay for the child to learn a trade, the child was exempt from his obligation to support his parent. Now back in the old days, that would mean paying to apprentice your son to a blacksmith or something. Basically, if you didn't care enough about your child to make sure they grew into productive adults, they weren't required to wipe you bum when you were old.

I wonder if such a loophole might apply today? "But I paid my own way through college, so I don't have to pay Mom's bills!"

tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

Well you guys don't have the best track record in history. Let's see, you dragged your feet to fight for our country. You invented and helped Disco to become popular. You were yuppies in the 80's. You all bought SUVs and mcmansions in the 90's. You flipped homes and created the housing bubble; you pushed for high returns on securities that created the stock market to crash, bankrupt banks and put us into a recession that is almost as bad as the great depression. Great job, don't let the door to reality hit you on the way out.

uatuba: X-boxershorts: uatuba: X-boxershorts:

drivel


First of all, it's Keynesian. Secondly, his theory is based on the government working against the current economic conditions (increase taxes/cut certain programs when times are good and DECREASE taxes/increase certain programs when times are bad). You are boiling the theory down to deficit spending alone (which I said could be a good thing), but that is absolutely not all there is to it. His theory, as it applies to our current situation, is that deficit spending on labor and industry heavy infrastructure projects (not social programs) will help in a down economy.

I happen to agree. FDR took it too far by adding wasteful (and unsustainable) social programs. Because according to the Keynesian theory, we should have cut those programs when the economy rebounded. Furthermore, for you to assert that tax cuts--in and of themselves--are bad simply shows how little you know of Keynes' ideas. Tax cuts are appropriate and encouraged when the economy is down; tax increases are appropriate and encouraged when the economy is up.

You only read and absorbed that which you wanted to absorb.

Tax cuts are good, but not during a recession, they are contra-productive because revenue is being lost due to job loss. We are still very much in need of job stimulation. And will be for 2 more years. Bush and Congress screwed up badly. And the tax cuts Bush enacted did zilch for the economy. Thank God they were temporary.

The more baby boomers retire, the more much-touted personal responsibility is going to fly out the window and government debts are going to rack up.

Apparently the median value of retirement savings for people 55-64 is less than $100,000. I wonder how many of them opposed social security and will quickly change their mind? I wonder how many staunchly opposed public healthcare during their tax-paying years but will gladly have Medicare pay their bills during the years when they require the most care? In other words, how many small-government conservatives will be lining up for handouts when they enter their golden years with no savings?

Another angle of this whole thing is that many baby boomers just won't retire. I guess it's better than sucking on the government teat, but their kids and grandkids could use those jobs.

Weaver95: IronTom: But I agree, the kid should not nave to pay for the parents bills, that is a stupid idea

I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

I know a brother and sister out your way that are going through the same nightmare. Their father was a big time party boy in his day and never paid any bills. Now these two people are in jeopardy of losing their homes, pulling their kids out of college....just an awful situation. They seem to be getting a handle on this cluster fark, but it has aged them both before their time. Truly heart breaking.

Hope you situation works out OK.

pnjunction: better than sucking on the government teat

Because they're not taking money out of the system?
I'm going to go make a sweeping generalization that because they're already well-established in their positions, they feel no urge to innovate to seek promotion or to perform at any higher level than they normally do. The only thing that makes them work even a little harder is that the economy's not so good, and they know that even if they lose their job to a "lay-off" (dead weight first) they can get a job at another more healthy company with their amount of experience, even if it's just an entry-level job that "their kids and grandkids could use".
So yeah, maybe not so much with the better.

My personal experiances in life are such that I was raised by my grandparents and had no experiance with my biological parents. My grandparents are both deceased so this issue can never arise. I don't have any of the generational hatred that seems to be running through here today...I can say that I was treated better by my grandparents than a lot of my friends were by their conventional families. That could have been because of the circumstances and because my grandparents were exceptional people or it may have been the generational difference. What I think this thread shows quite well is that something is very wrong...boomers, if your kids hate you, theres something YOU did wrong. I don't know what switch got flipped but you can see it in pop culture and everything else...when did pop music stop being about proms and first loves and start being about abusive parents and suicide? When did we go from Johnny Horton to KoRn?

morgantx: I remember reading somewhere (and I don't have a cite for this) that the concept of requiring children to pay the debts of their children dates back to Old Testament law. There was an exception, however: If the parent did not pay for the child to learn a trade, the child was exempt from his obligation to support his parent. Now back in the old days, that would mean paying to apprentice your son to a blacksmith or something. Basically, if you didn't care enough about your child to make sure they grew into productive adults, they weren't required to wipe you bum when you were old.

I wonder if such a loophole might apply today? "But I paid my own way through college, so I don't have to pay Mom's bills!"

Thats another great example of how if the bible isn't taken literally, or chucked at someone else, it can be a great tool for how to live one's life in a responsible and reasonable manner

what a Boomer may look like

This kinda sucks.

Did anyone else notice that in the first part of the story they refer to the bill as $8k and in the latter half its $28k? Do I spot some reverse cop math?

Evilmogwai: This kinda sucks.

Did anyone else notice that in the first part of the story they refer to the bill as $8k and in the latter half its $28k? Do I spot some reverse cop math?


legal fees and unholy interest?

Firedust: What I think this thread shows quite well is that something is very wrong...boomers, if your kids hate you, theres something YOU did wrong. I don't know what switch got flipped but you can see it in pop culture and everything else...when did pop music stop being about proms and first loves and start being about abusive parents and suicide? When did we go from Johnny Horton to KoRn?


Ha, ha, ha. You, whippersnapper, know nothing about popular culture. The idea of suicide/death and destruction of youth started in the 1950s, with the Blackboard Jungle, where all the kids are seen as a menace, the Wild Bunch, and Rebel Without a Cause. And pop music? It went through a period of death and destruction from about the mid 50s through early 60s. Think about it: Tell Laura I Love Her (death by car wreck), Patches (suicide), Last Kiss (death by car wreck), Teen Angel (death by car wreck), Leader of the Pack (death by motorcycle accident/suicide), Running Bear and Little White Dove (drowning). Obviously, those World War II generation folks were terrible parents for all that to happen on their watch.

//Now get off my damn lawn.

Good things my folks live in Jersey. (well... not so good for them)

Loren: Weaver95: IronTom: But I agree, the kid should not nave to pay for the parents bills, that is a stupid idea

I've had a couple credit companies who keep trying to get me on the hook for dad's bills. it's proving interesting trying to sort out his estate.

The estate has to pay the bills before you get a penny.

Anyway, I thought debts couldn't pass from parent to child here. It seems to me this is unconstitutional.

Nothing in the constitution baring it, its not normally done as a matter of sound social policy. The chances for shenanigans abound.

1) Otherwise parents racking a large debt can break down the kids and if enough are saddled with their parents debt the you can crush the economy. It also puts a limit on how much credit will be extended to seniors if you can only go after the estate.

2) Puts an upper limit on the amount of shenanigans. Most kid don not manage their parents affairs. If creditor can go after the kids for payment it opens the door for all sort of games just short of fraud let alone actual fraud. Expensive often useless products and services to seniors is already big business.

morgantx: I remember reading somewhere (and I don't have a cite for this) that the concept of requiring children to pay the debts of their children dates back to Old Testament law. There was an exception, however: If the parent did not pay for the child to learn a trade, the child was exempt from his obligation to support his parent. Now back in the old days, that would mean paying to apprentice your son to a blacksmith or something. Basically, if you didn't care enough about your child to make sure they grew into productive adults, they weren't required to wipe you bum when you were old.

I wonder if such a loophole might apply today? "But I paid my own way through college, so I don't have to pay Mom's bills!"

I doubt the loop hole will be allowed. I hope other governments don't get any bright ideas. Going after the kids for the parents debt is bad social policy regardless of who is doing it, corporation, church or governments. Potential for abuse is monstrous. Going after the parents estate that's ok, going after the kids that's gonna lead to some serious bad karma.

larrycot: Wow. Lots of butt-hurt among the Generation X crowd today.

If you were born in the 70s or later, you've had it better than your parents did. If you went to college, 99% of you had at least some of that expense paid for by your parents.

Your reaction? Die soon, motherfarker.

Fortunately, the courts don't seem to agree with you. I weep for my grandchildren.

Dude there is a reason why estates are closed out at death. Potential for abuse and fraud is astronomical. Many countries have had similar laws on the books, they have either stopped enforcing them or repealed them because its bad social policy to stick the kids and grandkids with the bill for a spend thrift parent.

One person can wipe out 3 generations financially that way with ease. Creditors of all kinds would extend credit to an old fool knowing the kids and grand kids will be held to account. That's just the legal stuff, add in fraud and oh boy you have a massive mess.

My husband and I were born in 1976. I put myself through college. We're still paying it off. We're also raising young children, saving for retirement, etc.

We have already had the privilege of having my father stay with us, in our home, for about 6 months while he was in a bad spot. It is our pleasure as children to be able to care for our parents. If NOTHING else, we're teaching our children the way they should treat us when we are older.

That said, I'm still really pissed off at the boomers, as a whole, for the clusterfark they've left us. More than anything, I'm angry that they've destroyed institutions like Family and Church that were around for thousands of years, and that worked, before they came along and pissed all over them.

We have more parents than we deserve - my mom and step-dad, my dad, my dad's ex-second-wife, his dad and step-mom, his mom, his mom's ex-second-husband. We maintain a relationship with my ex-step-mother, but not really with his ex-step-father. Things would be a lot easier for everyone if they had just put their heads down and stayed married, but what's done is done. Now WE have to figure out how we could possibly take care of 7 or 8 aging parents. I'm 33, and it's already started (with my dad).

Complicated conversations with step-relatives as we try to figure out who is going to be responsible for whom. I think my step-sister will get my ex-step-mother. My brother and sister will get my mom and step-dad, I'll get my dad. We'll probably send my MIL out to my BIL when the time comes. We'll end up taking care of my FIL, but his evil wife can sleep in the barn as far as I care - I don't give a damn if they stay married, I will not have that woman in my house.

It's best to decide all this while everyone is mostly healthy - hilarity ensues when you're deciding who does what on the fly, when what needs to be done is imminent. I want to maintain good relationships with our siblings, and all the "experts" say that the way to do that is to divvy it up early, before anyone's really sick.

So, thanks, Boomers - parents - for farking up your marriages and leaving us to figure out how to proceed. Thanks for destroying the economy and the environment and everything else so that we'd have even more trouble taking care of you than we would have otherwise. I'll do my duty to you, because most of you (excluding step-MIL) are decent people. But I reserve the right to be a little pissed off at your generation, for not following the campsite rule.

You did not leave ANYTHING better than you found it.

Evil Twin Skippy: tb tibbles: Just out of curiosity,can a resident of Pennsylvania be forced to sell a house to pay off debts?

Don't give them any ideas!

They can't use that unless I get a cut. It's mine I tell ya!! ;)

ChrisPC: Wow... another Boomer hate thread.

They really ruined America, with stuff like equal rights, legalized abortion, birth control pills, ending the draft, and flying to the moon. Not to mention all that shiatty music like Hendrix, Clapton, and Led Zeppelin.

Damn, they suck!

/sarcasm

You forgot the DUI checkpoint, War on Drugs, zero tolerance policies, mandatory sentences, helicopter parenting; all this after they were perhaps the most hedonistic generation in the history of this country.

Yeah, thanks Boomers!

AnnOnymous: Complicated conversations with step-relatives as we try to figure out who is going to be responsible for whom. I think my step-sister will get my ex-step-mother. My brother and sister will get my mom and step-dad, I'll get my dad. We'll probably send my MIL out to my BIL when the time comes. We'll end up taking care of my FIL, but his evil wife can sleep in the barn as far as I care - I don't give a damn if they stay married, I will not have that woman in my house.

It's best to decide all this while everyone is mostly healthy - hilarity ensues when you're deciding who does what on the fly, when what needs to be done is imminent. I want to maintain good relationships with our siblings, and all the "experts" say that the way to do that is to divvy it up early, before anyone's really sick.

This is why I'm so very, very happy that I'm a youngest child married to another youngest child. DH & I discussed this last night. I know that I won't be responsible for my aging parents as my sister still lives in their hometown and is already caring for them (mom has had two strokes). My DH won't be responsible for his parents as his sister has already indicated a desire to care for them in their old age, so we're getting off scot-free!

My ex-husband, OTOH, was an oldest child, and now he's caring for his sick father. I got out of THAT one in just the nick of time.

Subby here. Just wanted to say thank you for my first greenlight on the main page.

The situation in PA seems wrong to me on many, many levels. Just wanted to bring attention and make sure that everyone who reads Fark is aware. Thank you for your time.

Currently reading: Generation Debt: Why Now Is A Terrible Time To Be Young by Anya K., and I just finished Christopher Buckley's Boomsday. If you haven't read either of these, I encourage you to give them a try.

Rather than descend into intergenerational warfare, can't we have a frank discussion of the things that are going wrong for all of us?

First, I think it's time to explore all of the SS / Medicare solutions (raising the taxes we pay, adjusting the benefits that Boomers receive so that they grow slower than inflation, and gradually raising the retirement age). We're looking down the barrel of an economic disaster of our own making. Inaction is not an option.

Asking Gen X and Gen Y to carry 30% SS tax burdens isn't going to work. Raising the retirement age to 80 in one fell swoop isn't going to work. Freezing COLA isn't going to work. Doing some combination of the above might save our system.

Second, can we get some economic policies that reward saving instead of consumption? Why would a rational person sacrifice short term spending (nights out, vacations, top end electronics) when their savings can be tapped to pay off debts of their parents? Why would anyone save for retirement when inflation is likely to dissolve their buying power faster than interest is to multiply it?

tchamber: Yes, because that's all us baby boomers are looking to do with our lives - screw our kids.

Go and fark yourself, submitter. And stay the fark off my lawn.

That is rather precisely what you have done in a generational way. Your children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren will be paying for your self-absorbed antics long after you are all gone. And even still you want to insert yourselves into matters that will affect future generations more than yourselves.

A lot of great comments here; thanks everybody.

As the kid of a boomer (28), I just sort of wonder where all this money is supposed to come from. We're all supposed to be good kids, go to college, get good jobs, have kids of our own, save for retirement, and take care of and respect our parents when the time comes. Many a snarky boomer has made that point clear already.

Now, most of us do as we're supposed to. But we don't get reliable pensions from our jobs anymore. We graduate with mountains of debt. Since nearly every couple needs 2 incomes to live, we can't afford to raise kids. And now we're supposed to take care of our enfeebled parents too? Show me the money!

In the old days, a person could afford an education, children, a retirement, a comfortable life, and taking care of parents. Now, most working adults can afford 2/5 of those. Maybe 3.

When it comes to aging parents, of course we're going to cut the dead wood. It's not like we have much of a choice.

Jesus, read the farking article - the Boomer son is not the one farking anyone over. His mother (who is 71, not a Boomer) is part of it, as is the state of Pennsylvania, per the article: "a little-known law dating to Elizabethan England suddenly being enforced with gusto in Pennsylvania"

Reading comprehension fail on the part of the submitter, if no one else has pointed it out. biatch about the "Boomers" all you want (and I'm not one, either), but they're not responsible for this bit of farkery.

I'm surprised no one has suggested this.

The answer is surprisingly simple. This man simply needs to refuse to pay. The bill will then go to his child. Her mission then is to have a child and, yes, you guessed it, refuse to pay. They can then try to collect from the baby.

/joking
//mostly

theoriginalslash: Jesus, read the farking article - the Boomer son is not the one farking anyone over. His mother (who is 71, not a Boomer) is part of it, as is the state of Pennsylvania, per the article: "a little-known law dating to Elizabethan England suddenly being enforced with gusto in Pennsylvania"

Reading comprehension fail on the part of the submitter, if no one else has pointed it out. biatch about the "Boomers" all you want (and I'm not one, either), but they're not responsible for this bit of farkery.


You left out the lawyers who are specializing in this.

Personally, I'd just classify them as Redcoat survivors and shoot them.

ciocia - Firedust: What I think this thread shows quite well is that something is very wrong...boomers, if your kids hate you, theres something YOU did wrong. I don't know what switch got flipped but you can see it in pop culture and everything else...when did pop music stop being about proms and first loves and start being about abusive parents and suicide? When did we go from Johnny Horton to KoRn?


Ha, ha, ha. You, whippersnapper, know nothing about popular culture. The idea of suicide/death and destruction of youth started in the 1950s, with the Blackboard Jungle, where all the kids are seen as a menace, the Wild Bunch, and Rebel Without a Cause. And pop music? It went through a period of death and destruction from about the mid 50s through early 60s. Think about it: Tell Laura I Love Her (death by car wreck), Patches (suicide), Last Kiss (death by car wreck), Teen Angel (death by car wreck), Leader of the Pack (death by motorcycle accident/suicide), Running Bear and Little White Dove (drowning). Obviously, those World War II generation folks were terrible parents for all that to happen on their watch.

//Now get off my damn lawn.


Those don't really count... They're just "Ballad of _______" type songs. The fact that songs of that type are considered so cheesy that they're only found in country anymore is more evidence of what Firedust is saying.

Youth then was less jaded and cynical and could be moved by such cloying, over the top, maudlin, tug at your heartstrings crap.

You have more of a point about movies like "Blackboard Jungle," or the 60's trend of movies like "Hot-Rod Hellions on the Highway" but they weren't expressions of youth's anger with their parents, they were expressions of then-parent's fear of youth.

I think Firedust makes a good point. What he's talking about is the popularity of songs, books, movies expressing the anger and mistrust kids feel towards the world in general and their parents in particular... and as highly-trained armchair psychologist, I'll offer my theory in one word.

Divorce.


Boomers are the first generation to get divorced in large numbers. They cast off the traditional notion of "sticking together for the kids" and replaced it with the very self-serving mantra of "if we're not happy, the kids won't be happy."

I can't stress enough the difference I see in my friends (Gen X-ers) whose parents were divorced versus those whose parents stayed together. (mine stayed together)

I think divorce is highly damaging to kids. When you break the one thing that, above all else, they're supposed to have faith in, take solace in, feel protected by... I think it creates very deep scars and dulls empathy and cultivates a profound cynicism and distrust in the reliability of other people.

RE Nocens 2009-07-13 12:07:54 PM
"You left out the lawyers who are specializing in this."

Yes, I did. Lawyers are involved, of course. Because if there's any class of people who know best how to fark us all, it's lawyers.

I don't see how laws of this nature are in any way enforceable, legal, etc. It's one thing if the mother was deceased and the hospital was trying to get money from her estate, but she's not. She's just a deadbeat and the hospital is trying to get money from anybody related to her. That sounds like some shiat that will not end well for anyone.

cmb53208: That out of the way, let this be proof that boomers have to be collectively the biggest assholes ever spawned. After all their hedonism in the 60's they gave us zero tolerance policies, mandatory sentences, amoking bans, and DUI checkpoints. Not content with that, they expect following generations to keep Medicare and Social Security solvent. Not even content with that, they'll stick their kids with their bills.

Just farking die already

I love the hypocrisy that they have. SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCK AND ROLL!!!1! Now it's Abstinence Only Sex Ed, Just Say No, and Hannah Montana.

stiletto_the_wise: This. The baby boomers, as a generation, have taken more--and given back less--than any generation in history. A hundred years from now, society will still be paying off the debt they've rung up, cleaning up the environmental mess they've made, and repairing the social damage their "Me! Me! ME!" attitudes have done to the entire world.

They are the only generation that hasn't done a damn thing to improve the country.

DIGITALgimpus: If you look at those who think Bernie Madoff is evil, vs those who think he was treated unfairly.... you'll see the same generational splits. Boomers interviewed on TV tend to be more sympathetic to "he was just providing for his family and got carried away" vs their children's "he's Satan and needs to be burned"

Lovely. The Boomers thing greed is good.

pnjunction: Apparently the median value of retirement savings for people 55-64 is less than $100,000. I wonder how many of them opposed social security and will quickly change their mind? I wonder how many staunchly opposed public healthcare during their tax-paying years but will gladly have Medicare pay their bills during the years when they require the most care? In other words, how many small-government conservatives will be lining up for handouts when they enter their golden years with no savings?

I totally agree. It's amazing to see how the lieberal hippies of the sixties grew up into the hypocratic conservatives of the 80s and yet oddly enough they love to suck off the government teat.

Another angle of this whole thing is that many baby boomers just won't retire. I guess it's better than sucking on the government teat, but their kids and grandkids could use those jobs.

But you have to understand, it's more important for these old geezers to hold onto their jobs rather then retire gracefully and let their kids or grandkids get a damn job.

theoriginalslash: RE Nocens 2009-07-13 12:07:54 PM
"You left out the lawyers who are specializing in this."

Yes, I did. Lawyers are involved, of course. Because if there's any class of people who know best how to fark us all, it's lawyers.

I don't see how laws of this nature are in any way enforceable, legal, etc. It's one thing if the mother was deceased and the hospital was trying to get money from her estate, but she's not. She's just a deadbeat and the hospital is trying to get money from anybody related to her. That sounds like some shiat that will not end well for anyone.



A judge letting them go through makes it legal. The slam on the kid's credit report makes it enforceable.

State laws made even before the country was founded are still legal and enforceable by the state unless they conflict with the Federal or State's subsequent Constitutions and subsequent laws.

The real question is, if it was an enforced law once upon time, how did something of this magnitude drop the cracks all these years? Something tells me it was probably repealed or revised to irrelevance and someone's going to have to find it in the law books before it can be contested.

It wouldn't be the first time an ancient law was found and drummed back to enforcement only to find it had later been repealed.

X-boxershorts: uatuba: X-boxershorts: uatuba: X-boxershorts:

drivel


First of all, it's Keynesian. Secondly, his theory is based on the government working against the current economic conditions (increase taxes/cut certain programs when times are good and DECREASE taxes/increase certain programs when times are bad). You are boiling the theory down to deficit spending alone (which I said could be a good thing), but that is absolutely not all there is to it. His theory, as it applies to our current situation, is that deficit spending on labor and industry heavy infrastructure projects (not social programs) will help in a down economy.

I happen to agree. FDR took it too far by adding wasteful (and unsustainable) social programs. Because according to the Keynesian theory, we should have cut those programs when the economy rebounded. Furthermore, for you to assert that tax cuts--in and of themselves--are bad simply shows how little you know of Keynes' ideas. Tax cuts are appropriate and encouraged when the economy is down; tax increases are appropriate and encouraged when the economy is up.

You only read and absorbed that which you wanted to absorb.

Tax cuts are good, but not during a recession, they are contra-productive because revenue is being lost due to job loss. We are still very much in need of job stimulation. And will be for 2 more years. Bush and Congress screwed up badly. And the tax cuts Bush enacted did zilch for the economy. Thank God they were temporary.

If you say tax cuts are bad during a recession, then you are not a follower of the Keynesian theory.

"There are three or four major lawyers in Pennsylvania who specialize in representing nursing homes and hospitals, and one of their favorite tools is Pennsylvania's filial statute."



Easy fix.

I love my parents but hate the Baby Boomer generation as a whole.

RE Nocens 2009-07-13 12:50:03 PM
"Something tells me it was probably repealed or revised to irrelevance and someone's going to have to find it in the law books before it can be contested. It wouldn't be the first time an ancient law was found and drummed back to enforcement only to find it had later been repealed."

Hopefully, it will be that easy. The law is some tricky shiat.

This thread needs more Grace Park.



/would let her screw with me all night long.

ChuckyV: AnnoyingKidNextDoor: I'm confused.

Fark told me that drinking and unlimited sex was good. Unless you bore offspring. Fark also told me this is because children were scum of the earth

Now Fark tells me that old people are worthless, and children (or former children) are getting screwed. Why is this?

Or maybe Fark has been telling me that every generation except your own must be destroyed.



/RenewONe of my all time favorite movies...

eas81: EdgeRunner:

coca cola light? I have NEVER seen that before.

Firedust: I don't know what switch got flipped but you can see it in pop culture and everything else...when did pop music stop being about proms and first loves and start being about abusive parents and suicide?

Maybe pop culture is driving this insane hatred. You hear all that stuff about hate on the radio in the music, especially about hating parents, and you see TV shows: 10 things I hate about you. The media sees it can make money off of this, and some limp-brained listeners, say "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hate my parents too, this is soooo cool!""

technicolor-misfit:

No, boomers weren't the first to divorce in large numbers:



There was a big uptick after WWI, then a lull for awhile, then it started going up in 1970 (when the first of the boomers would be all of 24 or 25), then rose through the 70s, and dropped off in the 1980s. It's still much higher than it was in the 1940s, but lower than in the 80s.

But the divorce rate in the U.S. has been rising throughout our history:

The history of divorce in the US is characterized by steadily rising rates between 1860 and 1930; it is possible that this steady long-term trend reflects structural shifts in society and that the swings associated with the 1930s, 1940s, and 1960s and 1970s represent fluctuations from this long-term trend.

From: Link (new window)

So, it's not the wicked boomers, it's a trend over about a century and a half. The truth is, people live longer, get sick of each other more, and that the social stigma of divorce and the financial dependence of women are both a lot less than they used to be. Now, the rate is falling off, most likely because people are marrying at later ages than they used to. As the article points out, marrying at a later date lessens the risk of divorce.

I just noticed--divorce went up all through the 60s, too, when the oldest boomers were still teens and in college. Gee, those selfish boomers were divorcing young then.
/sarcasm off.

Based on the graph you posted, the divorce rate spiked after WWII, not WWI. Graph-reading and history, FTW. Divorces after such a horrible war are certainly understandable.

However, the long-term escalation of divorces started in 1965 as you stated...that's when the boomers were in their hippy, overly-rebellious, make things difficult on everyone stage. If ever a generation's kids were to blame for the divorce rate, the boomers would be a good choice.

uatuba: Based on the graph you posted, the divorce rate spiked after WWII, not WWI. Graph-reading and history, FTW. Divorces after such a horrible war are certainly understandable.

However, the long-term escalation of divorces started in 1965 as you stated...that's when the boomers were in their hippy, overly-rebellious, make things difficult on everyone stage. If ever a generation's kids were to blame for the divorce rate, the boomers would be a good choice.

Sorry. The WWI was a mistype.

As for your second point: Boomers didn't get divorced themselves, but they made everybody else get divorced. Because we are used to blaming boomers for everything, so reassessing that prejudice would require us to think a new thought.

As to the post-WWII divorces: many of them were the result of hasty pre-war marriages, rather than the horrors of war.

RemyDuron: IronTom: Whatever happened to respect your elders?

Technology and society began to advance at such a rate that elders began to appear not only stodgy and strict, which they always were, but often ignorant and bigoted compared to the youth. Instead of being the keepers of knowledge, elders became more like lost and angry children in a world they could no longer understand. Tradition, instead of being unifying, became constrictive and divisive and seemingly pointless.

I had given up on someone saying anything too bright in this thread. This is rather insightful.

Can't wait to hear all the biatching from the children of today's 20- and 30-somethings. Because Boomers invented divorce and everything bad, so everything they do is evil. I suspect that will change when their children are old enough to have been through at least one divorce.

Divorce is always bad unless you want one, then it's cool, right?

I'm really sick of the biatching and whining by "children of divorce." Back in the day, there weren't as many children of divorce, but there were a lot of "children of abandonment" and "children of seeing your dad slap your mom around every night" and a few "children of a dad who has another family the next town over." And then there are the "children of the woman dad's not married to because there's no divorce, so get used to being called a bastard and never seeing dad on Christmas or Easter." Would you prefer that? At least divorce is (usually) somewhat honest: the dissolution of a marriage between two people who can't farking stand each other for one more day. Yeah, it sucks when kids are involved, but shiat happens. Get over it.