Wrong Roosevelt, Einstain

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

wee: Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Your on a roll!!!!

This was the same time when the Zulu nation burned down the white house, right?

headline fail. but that is a damn good read. i had no idea about a lot of that.

It was a tenuous reign for the Bull Moose Coalition in the 1940's. They almost backed the Nazis since doing so would have ensured the support of the Vikings and their strategically placed fleets off the coast of Australia.

Fortunately, our Mongolian allies and their nuclear weapons carried the day.

Duke sucks

Well, it wouldn't be too hard to think of someone like Teddy Roosevelt in a Nazi uniform. He had that over the top kind of strength over brains personality that German seem to appreciate. Not him exactly, but the same kind of gung-ho macho attitude.

If he had been German, his superior mustache and general robustness would have given him more charisma than hitler and his stolen Chaplin 'stache. Hitler never even made a speech after getting shot.

Unfortunately for Subby, not only was Teddy Roosevelt no longer president at that time, but he was also long dead. Also, that wasn't just any duke, it was the former King Edward VIII of England, who abdicated so that he could marry a previously-married woman, just like Prince Charles will. And people have known for a while that Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer.

Is this when Napolean's Army bombed Seattle Harbor?

Teddy was freakin' dead by 1940.

Bored Horde: Duke sucks

The Simpson slut saved the world when she got that idiot off the BE throne.

'Hark, the herald angels sing,
Mrs. Simpson pinched our king.'

RobertBruce: headline fail. but that is a damn good read. i had no idea about a lot of that.

Actually this is old history, but it's nice that Fark occasionally educates the young how close they came to speaking German, Japanese, or both.

Ask the current right-wing echo chamber what they think of Teddy Roosevelt, and their mangling of history won't be far off.

One name in response:

Henry Ford (new window)

Errr....where in the article did "nearly convince" happen, subby? As far as I - and the article - can tell, it was rebuffed outright...

Next, we see FOX news report on Prescott Bush[D] and his real support for the Nazis?

Neat trick, since Teddy was dead before 1920. That would have been awesome, though--the Rough Riders taking Berlin.

You know who else...? oh, wait...

The stupid is strong in this thread.

Are the moderators on strike?

Submitter Fail

Dude Subby, I almost pissed my pants when I saw this headline!

You must have gotten this question wrong on your 8th grade history test.

Who was the President of the United States at the beginning of World War II?

A) W.H. Harrison
B) Teddy Roosevelt
C) Taft
D) Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR)
E) Your Mom

Wow Subby. Way to not read the Article.

/Waaaaaaay.
//Thank you for the informative article though, no matter how wrong the headline was.

Cagey B: It was a tenuous reign for the Bull Moose Coalition in the 1940's. They almost backed the Nazis since doing so would have ensured the support of the Vikings and their strategically placed fleets off the coast of Australia.

Fortunately, our Mongolian allies and their nuclear weapons carried the day.

Silly you. You forgot to mention how Mexico helped us fight off the Lutheran terrorists in the 1930s.

AirForceVet: RobertBruce: headline fail. but that is a damn good read. i had no idea about a lot of that.

Actually this is old history, but it's nice that Fark occasionally educates the young how close they came to speaking German, Japanese, or both.

I speak Japanese.

Cagey B: It was a tenuous reign for the Bull Moose Coalition in the 1940's. They almost backed the Nazis since doing so would have ensured the support of the Vikings and their strategically placed fleets off the coast of Australia.

Fortunately, our Mongolian allies and their nuclear weapons carried the day.



I laughed harder at that than I probably should have.

Paris1127: Unfortunately for Subby, not only was Teddy Roosevelt no longer president at that time, but he was also long dead.

Hey - maybe you're thinking of the WRONG HITLER!!

But was he a kick ass duke?

Actually this is old history, but it's nice that Fark occasionally educates the young how close they came to speaking German, Japanese, or both.

I speak Japanese.

I speak Orboth, an ancient dialect, but lovely nonetheless

Jacobin: The stupid is strong in this thread.

Are the moderators on strike?

The stupid is so strong it hurts to pee.

The Unlikely Tag was made for headlines like this!

Bolo Jungle: Paris1127: Unfortunately for Subby, not only was Teddy Roosevelt no longer president at that time, but he was also long dead.

Hey - maybe you're thinking of the WRONG HITLER!!

He said Nazis, though, and there were only one of them. One party of them. One group of Nazis. There was only one Nazi party. I think that's right.

Jeebus, you Farkers had to go ahead and mention the War.

DarthLamont: Submitter Fail

Except that it was Franklin and not Teddy, the article is basically right.

Edward VII was a Nazi sympathizer, spoke fluent German, and was a German himself; the who
le Royal family of England is German by hertitage.

However you have to remember: By 1940 Hitler had not done his worst work, this would not come until the closing years of the war.

He had in fact rebuilt Germany from the ground up, and attracted a lot of acclaim for his accomplishments.

If he had died in 1940, he would have gone down in history as the greatest German ever to live.

Teddy Roosevelt was president before World War One.
He was dead before World War Two.
Subby fails at history.

Subby




/Slash-o-rific!

Please, for the love of god. Tell me, please, that's a joke I didn't get in the headline. How many people have to be that ignorant for this to make it to the main page?

You guys are way off. It's not the wrong Roosevelt or the wrong Hitler. It was that wrong war. The Duke of Earl almost swayed Teddy Roosevelt into supporting Hitler during Vietnam.

Man if the Germans had won, just think about what would've happened... millions upon millions of that exact same all-weather coat on at least two continents.

/Not obscure to NYC farkers

doglover: Well, it wouldn't be too hard to think of someone like Teddy Roosevelt in a Nazi uniform. He had that over the top kind of strength over brains personality that German seem to appreciate. Not him exactly, but the same kind of gung-ho macho attitude.

Teddy would have been a terrible Nazi with that whole supporting equal rights for minorities thing. And the women voting thing. And the well reasoned, generally nice guy thing. Also the man was a a genius, a well known author, nationally known ornithologist, and spoke several languages.

UNC_Samurai

Holy Christ on a farking stick! Did you injure yourself doing that double-backflip-dismount fail trying to tie this bad submit to a political ideology?

You are so completely full of stupid, we as a FARK community are all worse off for it. I mean orphaned children, blind, poor and bereft of hope look at your posts and say, "at least I'm not that farking idiot"

Seriously, I think you've shortened my life a little.

Be a little less of a partisan tool in your next thread, okay?

Any truth to the rumor Simpson was the BJ queen of China?

When did Michelle Bachmann become a submitter?

detfrost1: Dude Subby, I almost pissed my pants when I saw this headline!

You must have gotten this question wrong on your 8th grade history test.

Who was the President of the United States at the beginning of World War II?

A) W.H. Harrison
B) Teddy Roosevelt
C) Taft
D) Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR)
E) Your Mom

F) A, B, C, and D all banged Subbies mom. But the Duke of Windsor is the one that knocked her up.

Gyrfalcon: Bolo Jungle: Paris1127: Unfortunately for Subby, not only was Teddy Roosevelt no longer president at that time, but he was also long dead.

Hey - maybe you're thinking of the WRONG HITLER!!

He said Nazis, though, and there were only one of them. One party of them. One group of Nazis. There was only one Nazi party. I think that's right.

I hope there was only one Nazi party, and only one Hitler too for that matter...

Godwined in the boobies!

wee: Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

I had the exact same thought. I hate you for that and can't figure out why.

olddinosaur: Except that it was Franklin and not Teddy, the article is basically right.

Edward VII was a Nazi sympathizer, spoke fluent German, and was a German himself; the who
le Royal family of England is German by hertitage.

However you have to remember: By 1940 Hitler had not done his worst work, this would not come until the closing years of the war.

He had in fact rebuilt Germany from the ground up, and attracted a lot of acclaim for his accomplishments.

If he had died in 1940, he would have gone down in history as the greatest German ever to live.

Not untrue. Hitler was a good manager, who as they say reached his level of incompetence as a leader of government.

That's really why he abdicated, or rather was told to.

Mrs Simpson was a convenint excuse. Please, the king could do what he liked in that respect, royalty always did.

Killerclaw: AirForceVet: RobertBruce: headline fail. but that is a damn good read. i had no idea about a lot of that.

Actually this is old history, but it's nice that Fark occasionally educates the young how close they came to speaking German, Japanese, or both.

I speak Japanese.

I think I'm turing Japanese ... I really think so.

Killerclaw: AirForceVet: RobertBruce: headline fail. but that is a damn good read. i had no idea about a lot of that.

Actually this is old history, but it's nice that Fark occasionally educates the young how close they came to speaking German, Japanese, or both.

I speak Japanese.

あなたも？

detfrost1: Dude Subby, I almost pissed my pants when I saw this headline!

You must have gotten this question wrong on your 8th grade history test.

Who was the President of the United States at the beginning of World War II?

A) W.H. Harrison
B) Teddy Roosevelt
C) Taft
D) Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR)
E) Your Mom


C... the answer's always C, right?

gwenners: Godwined in the boobies!

I love a good Godwin'ing in the boobies!

Walt_Jizzney: Errr....where in the article did "nearly convince" happen, subby? As far as I - and the article - can tell, it was rebuffed outright...

Yeah, but you also thought Teddy was dead in '40. We can't expect somebody unaware of the political influence of zombie Teddy to have decent reading comprehension skills. Though really, zombie Teddy was just playing along to get close to Hitler, and then kick his ass. And eat his brain.

Many Americans actually thought Hitler was the cat's meow, amongst them Henry Ford and William Randolph Hearst. The Germans used a machine designed by IBM to more efficiently keep track of and round up Jews.

Don't forget the Bund...

Jesus H. Christ. That was one of the most chilling things I've ever read, even though I know things turned out OK.

Franklin, not Teddy.

Germany wasn't a complete nation until the 1800s. The British had been fighting the French on and off for centuries. France fought the British in the French-Indian War. They helped the Americans in the Revolutionary War. Napolean then came along. So the British fighting France wouldn't have been completely out of the question, except mainly for the fact of Germany starting the war, as Basil Fawlty later pointed out, by invading Poland. Though the Allies later did, German terror bombing of cities, invading Norway, the Netherlands, etc didn't make people too keen on the Nazis either.

Americans didn't want to be in the war until Pearl Harbor, though before that, U-Boats were attacking ships, including US ships. The USS Reuben James being sunk, the first US Navy ship lost in the war.

Perhaps this is an effort to mirror the Austria/Australia meme with a Teddy/Franklin meme.

So ... Edward was a secret muslim?

/hot, like subby's mom was with me last night

gibbon1: detfrost1: Dude Subby, I almost pissed my pants when I saw this headline!

You must have gotten this question wrong on your 8th grade history test.

Who was the President of the United States at the beginning of World War II?

A) W.H. Harrison
B) Teddy Roosevelt
C) Taft
D) Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR)
E) Your Mom

F) A, B, C, and D all banged Subbies mom. But the Duke of Windsor is the one that knocked her up.

Opps good catch, I apologize for my negligence in leaving off F) I'll attempt to correct that error in future posts.

olddinosaur: [Hitler] had in fact rebuilt Germany from the ground up, and attracted a lot of acclaim for his accomplishments.

If he had died in 1940, he would have gone down in history as the greatest German ever to live.

Wrong.

Hitler's supposed gains in productivity were a sham. He attracted acclaim, of course, but it was a self-congratulatory circle jerk. The Nazi government created the illusion of an economic revival through a combination of creative statistics and socialized war production.

You can't build a sustainable economy on nothing but fat military contracts. It boosts your factory employment numbers for a while, sure, but it could never create genuine, sustainable economic vitality. It causes a net loss in wealth, actually.

(The same principle applies to "stimulus" spending, too.)

I think subby is thinking of when the romans dumped the tea in the black sea in protest.

That Duke really sucked. Nixon graduated from Duke Law School a few years before this story took place (That Nixon, not the baseball Nixon).

It is sad really that no one in this thread is familiar with the exploits of time traveling Teddy- I blame it on the educational systen in the United States...

or maybe the manifestations of power/knowledge don't want this to be part of the known construct of history... it could be distabilizing of the self-reinforcing gesture of historicity... I'll have to ask time traveling Foucault

/walk softly and carry a big paradox

cmb53208: Many Americans actually thought Hitler was the cat's meow, amongst them Henry Ford and William Randolph Hearst. The Germans used a machine designed by IBM to more efficiently keep track of and round up Jews.

Don't forget the Bund...

Indeed, and in turn Henry Ford was one of Hitler's heroes, he had his picture on his wall like a right nerdy fanboy.

Phinn: Hitler's supposed gains in productivity were a sham. He attracted acclaim, of course, but it was a self-congratulatory circle jerk. The Nazi government created the illusion of an economic revival through a combination of creative statistics and socialized war production.

You can't build a sustainable economy on nothing but fat military contracts. It boosts your factory employment numbers for a while, sure, but it could never create genuine, sustainable economic vitality. It causes a net loss in wealth, actually.

I'm pretty sure conquering the productivity of others offers at least a temporary boost to real economic power. Der Fuhrer got the Czech munition factories at Munich after all... they provided tangible production ability.

AirForceVet: RobertBruce: headline fail. but that is a damn good read. i had no idea about a lot of that.

Actually this is old history, but it's nice that Fark occasionally educates the young how close they came to speaking German, Japanese, or both.

But I already do speak German.

Subby has it all wrong.

But for muddle headed policies of King Edward the VIII, The American colonies might have lost the Revolutionary War and then we would all be speaking English now.

Cagey B

It was a tenuous reign for the Bull Moose Coalition in the 1940's. They almost backed the Nazis since doing so would have ensured the support of the Vikings and their strategically placed fleets off the coast of Australia.

You left out the Chinese gunboats patrolling the Mississippi to protect their laundries in St. Louis.

Cagey B: It was a tenuous reign for the Bull Moose Coalition in the 1940's. They almost backed the Nazis since doing so would have ensured the support of the Vikings and their strategically placed fleets off the coast of Australia.

Fortunately, our Mongolian allies and their nuclear weapons carried the day.

Ah...that brings back bitter memories of the Australian-American war. To this day, the shrill warcry that an Aussie made as he charged our trenches and was mowed down haunts my dreams and waking life...I may never fully recover.

/great find, subby

ToddMU03: AirForceVet: RobertBruce: headline fail. but that is a damn good read. i had no idea about a lot of that.

Actually this is old history, but it's nice that Fark occasionally educates the young how close they came to speaking German, Japanese, or both.

But I already do speak German.

And I grew up in Japan.

We should probably just turn ourselves in now and get it over with.

Paris1127 - Gyrfalcon: Bolo Jungle: Paris1127: Unfortunately for Subby, not only was Teddy Roosevelt no longer president at that time, but he was also long dead.

Hey - maybe you're thinking of the WRONG HITLER!!

He said Nazis, though, and there were only one of them. One party of them. One group of Nazis. There was only one Nazi party. I think that's right.

I hope there was only one Nazi party, and only one Hitler too for that matter...


There was only one Hitler.

Originally...

He was dazzled by the fact that Der Fuhrer was a terrific dancer.

El Oh El

You're all giving subby too much grief for a minor error. Few realize that when FDR was stricken with Polio, it gave Teddy's vengeful spirit the perfect opportunity to possess him. You see, after Teddy's failed campaign bid under the Bull Moose party, he became embittered and felt betrayed by the US populace. Nursing the grudge past the grave, he became even further annoyed to see his gimpy cousin Franklin's political success. His enraged spirit fully intended to turn us over to the Nazis. In fact, were it not for the intervention of the justified ancient of Mu Mu, we'd all be speaking German today.

/KLF

jaerik: We should probably just turn ourselves in now and get it over with.

Good idea.

Phinn: olddinosaur: [Hitler] had in fact rebuilt Germany from the ground up, and attracted a lot of acclaim for his accomplishments.

If he had died in 1940, he would have gone down in history as the greatest German ever to live.

Wrong.

Hitler's supposed gains in productivity were a sham. He attracted acclaim, of course, but it was a self-congratulatory circle jerk. The Nazi government created the illusion of an economic revival through a combination of creative statistics and socialized war production.

You can't build a sustainable economy on nothing but fat military contracts. It boosts your factory employment numbers for a while, sure, but it could never create genuine, sustainable economic vitality. It causes a net loss in wealth, actually.

(The same principle applies to "stimulus" spending, too.)

The Nurmberg laws also helped. Many Germans were sent into the employment force (mostly in the professional fields) while not counting the displaced Jewish professionals since they were not citizens anymore. Great way to make unemployment seem like less of an issue.

RTFA, subby. Frankie (NOT Teddy) already saw him for what he really was and had Fart Barf and Itch keep a close watch on him during his stay.

Sounds like subby needs a refund on that Mail Order GED in History he got out of the back of a magazine.

ToddMU03: AirForceVet: RobertBruce: headline fail. but that is a damn good read. i had no idea about a lot of that.

Actually this is old history, but it's nice that Fark occasionally educates the young how close they came to speaking German, Japanese, or both.

But I already do speak German.

Mein Englisch ist besser, aber mein Deutsch ist nicht schlecht.

I probably mangled some there. Entschuldigung.

Oh and...

Daily Express - the Daily Mail's younger, stupider, brother.

See? He was just trying to be like his great-grand-uncle.



/surprised no one posted this yet

hissatsu: You're all giving subby too much grief for a minor error. Few realize that when FDR was stricken with Polio, it gave Teddy's vengeful spirit the perfect opportunity to possess him. You see, after Teddy's failed campaign bid under the Bull Moose party, he became embittered and felt betrayed by the US populace. Nursing the grudge past the grave, he became even further annoyed to see his gimpy cousin Franklin's political success. His enraged spirit fully intended to turn us over to the Nazis. In fact, were it not for the intervention of the justified ancient of Mu Mu, we'd all be speaking German today.

/KLF

Are gonna rock ya.

/justified AND ancient.
//you know what we drive.

That he was sympathetic to the Germans is now well known. But I did not know that he committed such acts of treason. He should have been shot. The British executed traitors for for far less than he did during WWII. I guess the Brits were still squeamish about killing royalty.

You're all giving subby too much grief for a minor error. Few realize that when FDR was stricken with Polio, it gave Teddy's vengeful spirit the perfect opportunity to possess him. You see, after Teddy's failed campaign bid under the Bull Moose party, he became embittered and felt betrayed by the US populace. Nursing the grudge past the grave, he became even further annoyed to see his gimpy cousin Franklin's political success. His enraged spirit fully intended to turn us over to the Nazis. In fact, were it not for the intervention of the justified ancient of Mu Mu, we'd all be speaking German today.

Just to be pedantic, was FDR TR's cousin?: FDR married his own cousin Elenore Roosevelt, who was Teddy's niece, so thus the relationship was ..... (hang on I'll go and ask Morgan, he'll know)

Was this the same guy who persuaded Prescott Bush and IBM?
...waitaminnnnnute...

the 1930's Lutheran Terrorist scare

*shudders*

now THOSE were some scary times to be alive!

olddinosaur: However you have to remember: By 1940 Hitler had not done his worst work, this would not come until the closing years of the war.

I just read The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. In the book, Miss Brodie often praises Italy's fascist system as progressive and humanitarian.
(The book is set in 1930s Scotland, though written in 1961.)
Weird perspective of a British author, even weirder that it was written after the fact.

/Fuzzy on some facts. Like if Scotland was as committed to fighting in WWII as England (either by choice or by being targeted by the Axis powers.) And the extent of Mussolini's oppression and crimes against humanity.
/I do know who was president when the war started, however.

He remembers.

I find it curious that TeddyRooseveltsMustache has not posted in this thread yet.

simpsonfan: Americans didn't want to be in the war until Pearl Harbor, though before that, U-Boats were attacking ships, including US ships. The USS Reuben James being sunk, the first US Navy ship lost in the war.

Maybe the common American didn't want to be in the war, but his President sure did. The USS Ruben James wasn't sunk until months after FDR publicly co-authored the Allied war aims with Churchill.

Cagey B: It was a tenuous reign for the Bull Moose Coalition in the 1940's. They almost backed the Nazis since doing so would have ensured the support of the Vikings and their strategically placed fleets off the coast of Australia.

Fortunately, our Mongolian allies and their nuclear weapons carried the day.

I actually did a spit take..that turned into choking and was less funny at that point.

FTFA 'Thanks to his great-grandfather Prince Albert and his mother Queen Mary, not to mention his Hanoverian ancestor King George I, the Prince of Wales was as much German as he was English and so comfortable with the German language that he sometimes referred to it as his mother tongue.'

The Royals at that time had more German blood than that. Queen (not Teddy) Victoria was wholly German and married her wholly German cousin. She supposedly didn't even speak English until she was school aged. Edward (not Teddy )VII was pretty much all German and his wife was half German as well. George (not Teddy) V was more German then his wife, who was only about half german, so its weird that TFA would bring her and Albert up instead...

Sometimes I think the admins greenlight these trainwreck headlines just so we can have a bash subby thread.

So let me add mine: Thanks subby for the clarification, because I always thought it was Teddy's Rough Riders that took Omaha Beach.

A Nazi sympathizer thread on Fark and not one mention of Prescott Bush? You guys are slipping.

jenny next: olddinosaur: However you have to remember: By 1940 Hitler had not done his worst work, this would not come until the closing years of the war.

I just read The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. In the book, Miss Brodie often praises Italy's fascist system as progressive and humanitarian.
(The book is set in 1930s Scotland, though written in 1961.)
Weird perspective of a British author, even weirder that it was written after the fact.

/Fuzzy on some facts. Like if Scotland was as committed to fighting in WWII as England (either by choice or by being targeted by the Axis powers.) And the extent of Mussolini's oppression and crimes against humanity.
/I do know who was president when the war started, however.

One thing the whippersnappers forget these days: in the 30s, what with the Great Depression and all, democracy was on the ropes. John Scott in "Beyond the Urals" and other progressive writers were finding that the Soviet experiment was working beyond belief. The fascists were solving problems as well. The Western Democracies were suffering a severe crisis of conscience: WWI had shattered "the Proud Tower." New ideologies seemed to be the way to solve the problems of the troubled present and of the future.

Huey Long was making a great case - and so were other politicians. Sinclair Lewis' "It Can't Happen Here" shows how different forms of governance could take place. Many of these new schemes were scientific, respectable, even.

Thank God things turned out the way they did. Bad as the world is today, it could have been much much worse.

Subby, that wasn't Teddy Roosevelt. You're thinking of Helen Keller.

/Can't believe no one said it yet.

Mad-n-FL: Next, we see FOX news report on Prescott Bush[D] and his real support for the Nazis?

Kurmudgeon: A Nazi sympathizer thread on Fark and not one mention of Prescott Bush? You guys are slipping.

You were saying? You forgot to mention Charles Lindbergh.

/hate to pick on a fellow Mountaineer

UNC_Samurai: Ask the current right-wing echo chamber what they think of Teddy Roosevelt, and their mangling of history won't be far off.

He was damned near a fascist himself. A man of action yes but a man the founding fathers would have had hung like a common criminal

TheHopeDiamond: Cagey B: It was a tenuous reign for the Bull Moose Coalition in the 1940's. They almost backed the Nazis since doing so would have ensured the support of the Vikings and their strategically placed fleets off the coast of Australia.

Fortunately, our Mongolian allies and their nuclear weapons carried the day.

Silly you. You forgot to mention how Mexico helped us fight off the Lutheran terrorists in the 1930s.

Well yes, but I thought the Argentinian takeover of the world's Egyptian cotton supply had seriously depleted their ability to swab, allowing the Mexican forces the upper hand. This of course, just enraged the Thailanders, with their import quotas on ladyboys at the time, which of course led to the "Bancock incident" which some* historians point to as the trigger for Hitler invading Austria. So you see, it all really ties back to the great Arctic expedition of 1909, with it's "banners and bows" and hearty talk. Sigh. The French really will eat anything, eh?

*not reputable ones.

harbingerofdoom: the 1930's Lutheran Terrorist scare

*shudders*

now THOSE were some scary times to be alive!

Pales in comparison to the Rape of Pittsburgh by the Quakers in the 1820's.

It's a shame TR wasn't around for WWII. He would have sorted things out in 3 weeks flat, although the history books would be lamenting the devastation as worse than any atomic weapon.

To The Escape Zeppelin!: doglover: Well, it wouldn't be too hard to think of someone like Teddy Roosevelt in a Nazi uniform. He had that over the top kind of strength over brains personality that German seem to appreciate. Not him exactly, but the same kind of gung-ho macho attitude.

Teddy would have been a terrible Nazi with that whole supporting equal rights for minorities thing. And the women voting thing. And the well reasoned, generally nice guy thing. Also the man was a a genius, a well known author, nationally known ornithologist, and spoke several languages.

Plus, Teddy hated Spaniards. He would never support someone in league with Franco.

I have a really hard time believing that submitter actually RTFA'd before writing the headline for it.

Fano [TotalFark] Quote 2009-07-11 10:52:23 PM
[Remains of the Day pic]
He remembers.

If there was ever a movie designed to make an introvert run out and lose their virginity before its too late ... it was Remains of the Day.

And yeah, as soon as I saw the headline, I wondered if the duke in question was the duke in the movie.

Cheops: It's a shame TR wasn't around for WWII. He would have sorted things out in 3 weeks flat, although the history books would be lamenting the devastation as worse than any atomic weapon.

I doubt it... there was no shortage of badasses during WWII

Smeggy Smurf Quote 2009-07-11 11:25:34 PM
UNC_Samurai: Ask the current right-wing echo chamber what they think of Teddy Roosevelt, and their mangling of history won't be far off.

He was damned near a fascist himself. A man of action yes but a man the founding fathers would have had hung like a common criminal.

Except for the closet monarchist known as Alexander Hamilton, of course. Those two would have gotten along famously.

They were all fascists. Britain had empire. Germany wanted a European empire. Soviets were a Russian empire and totalitarian.
Italy was a failed state. Sure I'm missing someone.

Jackpot777 Quote 2009-07-11 10:28:32 PM
hissatsu: You're all giving subby too much grief for a minor error. Few realize that when FDR was stricken with Polio, it gave Teddy's vengeful spirit the perfect opportunity to possess him. You see, after Teddy's failed campaign bid under the Bull Moose party, he became embittered and felt betrayed by the US populace. Nursing the grudge past the grave, he became even further annoyed to see his gimpy cousin Franklin's political success. His enraged spirit fully intended to turn us over to the Nazis. In fact, were it not for the intervention of the justified ancient of Mu Mu, we'd all be speaking German today.

/KLF

Are gonna rock ya.

/justified AND ancient.
//you know what we drive.

We're all bound for Mu Mu land ... (new window)

space_cadet_28: They were all fascists. Britain had empire. Germany wanted a European empire. Soviets were a Russian empire and totalitarian.
Italy was a failed state. Sure I'm missing someone.

Were they all equally fascist?

"Nearly"?


/// Subby sucks

PapermonkeyExpress: Dude, I was just trying to point out more T.R. related fail. I'm sorry I gave you a case of Acute Labial Granular Infestation.

And in long run, it mattered not for the English. Instead of being enslaved by a foreign power, they enslaved themselves. As time passed, even the French stopped taunting them.

All Fascist governments look good at first.

There's nothing really wrong with traditionalism, nationalism, populism, rule of the majority, a focus on a strong leader and a tradition of heroism, subjection of the minority, suppression of dissent for the good of the...uh...

Maybe not.

space_cadet_28: They were all fascists. Britain had empire. Germany wanted a European empire. Soviets were a Russian empire and totalitarian.
Italy was a failed state. Sure I'm missing someone.

Fail. Having an empire != being fascist. Go back to school.

OK, subby wrote "(not Teddy)" in the headlines. So he never indicated that it was Teddy Roosevelt.

Now, since everyone else seems to have gotten the opposite impression, am I somehow missing something? Or is everyone here sorely lacking in the reading comprehension department?

outlanderreader: OK, subby wrote "(not Teddy)" in the headlines. So he never indicated that it was Teddy Roosevelt.

Now, since everyone else seems to have gotten the opposite impression, am I somehow missing something? Or is everyone here sorely lacking in the reading comprehension department?

Headline originally read Teddy. Mods apparently altered it.

/pray they do not alter it further...

outlanderreader: OK, subby wrote "(not Teddy)" in the headlines. So he never indicated that it was Teddy Roosevelt.

Now, since everyone else seems to have gotten the opposite impression, am I somehow missing something? Or is everyone here sorely lacking in the reading comprehension department?

Man, I HATE it when the mods fix a faulty headline. They make the whole thread look stupid and irrelevant. Dummy mods.....

Duke sucks.

Even with the fixed headline, Edward wasn't a "crazy Duke".

HE USED TO BE KING! He abdicated because he wanted to marry an American divorcee, but kings had done far worse in the past (look at George IV, for example). Rumor has it that the real reason was his support of fascism.

Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor after his abdication, was not a strong personality, but he was by no means crazy. And he didn't "nearly persuade" FDR to back the Nazis.

FTA: "In the end sending him to govern the Bahamas - a humiliating posting which both the Duke and Duchess detested - proved the most viable option."


Man, I wish I could have had the chance to piss off Winston Churchill. I wonder if the president will punish me that way if I make enough obnoxious photoshops of him.

Hitler, that piece of shiat, was only out to unite the German people/German-speaking peoples of Europe. France should have given up Alsace-Lorraine. Britain should not have intervened regardless (she was completely incapable of defending France in the first place). It would have been a smaller, Europe-only war. America would have recovered from the Depression sooner. Germany and Russia could have fought and weakened each other.

But no... everyone had to jump into the fight. GB and America allied with the Russians, who exterminated more people than did the Nazis, and when things started to look grim, Hitler decided to off the Jews.

"Waaahhh... we'd all be speaking German... wahhh..."
That's a bunch of assfarking nonsense. Hitler didn't want global domination. Now America does what everyone says the Nazis would have done... that is kill people, without provocation, all over the world.

Jeff73: FTA: "In the end sending him to govern the Bahamas - a humiliating posting which both the Duke and Duchess detested - proved the most viable option."


Man, I wish I could have had the chance to piss off Winston Churchill. I wonder if the president will punish me that way if I make enough obnoxious photoshops of him.

Well there is another little island getaway spot he might send you to...

You know, I went to school with Brian Hitler and I fail to understand what all the fuss is about. Nice chap. Bit quiet, maybe.

Edward VIII was the ultimate upper class twit.

... but I thought Hitler fought at the Alamo?

Hey, why did someone cover for idiot subby by fixing the headline???

Paris1127: Unfortunately for Subby, not only was Teddy Roosevelt no longer president at that time, but he was also long dead. Also, that wasn't just any duke, it was the former King Edward VIII of England, who abdicated so that he could marry a previously-married woman, just like Prince Charles will. And people have known for a while that Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer.

Yeah, none of this is news; is subby holder of the Ric Romero chair of World History at his local community college? "Nearly persuaded?" There was never even the slightest hint of a remote possibility of a minute chance of FDR supporting Hitler.

dennysgod: Sometimes I think the admins greenlight these trainwreck headlines just so we can have a bash subby thread.

So let me add mine: Thanks subby for the clarification, because I always thought it was Teddy's Rough Riders that took Omaha Beach.

That's not too far off, in an odd way. The Rough Rider's son, Teddy Roosevelt Jr., was the only general to land with the first wave of troops on D-Day, but at Utah Beach, not Omaha. The word "hero" is overused these days, but it absolutely applies to him:
Teddy Junior

Unable to walk without a cane because of arthritis, and also suffering from heart problems, Young TR was only allowed to accompany his division after he made several requests of the division commander. He died of a heart attack a month after D-Day and was award the Medal of Honor posthumously. In the movie "The Longest Day," he was portrayed by Henry Fonda.

geniusiknowit: Hitler, that piece of shiat, was only out to unite the German people/German-speaking peoples of Europe. France should have given up Alsace-Lorraine. Britain should not have intervened regardless (she was completely incapable of defending France in the first place). It would have been a smaller, Europe-only war. America would have recovered from the Depression sooner. Germany and Russia could have fought and weakened each other.

But no... everyone had to jump into the fight. GB and America allied with the Russians, who exterminated more people than did the Nazis, and when things started to look grim, Hitler decided to off the Jews.

"Waaahhh... we'd all be speaking German... wahhh..."
That's a bunch of assfarking nonsense. Hitler didn't want global domination. Now America does what everyone says the Nazis would have done... that is kill people, without provocation, all over the world.

Nice try, but no. Above all, the US got out of the Depression because of World War II, not in spite of it. And France should not have given up Alsace-Lorraine, which was as much French as it was German (though it would have made some sense for them to cede Alsace and keep Lorraine, but what country cedes territory without a mandate from the inhabitants, which was NOT THERE?).

According to you, Europe should have let Hitler take Czechoslovkia and Poland because they wanted them, and played along because - because of what? Nothing. Hitler's Germany threw off the balance of power in Europe, so Europe responded, and the only countries able to hold out were England and Russia.

He didn't want to rule the globe, it's true, but since when was letting a dictator take over Europe okay otherwise?

Burn_Atlanta: Paris1127: Unfortunately for Subby, not only was Teddy Roosevelt no longer president at that time, but he was also long dead. Also, that wasn't just any duke, it was the former King Edward VIII of England, who abdicated so that he could marry a previously-married woman, just like Prince Charles will. And people have known for a while that Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer.

Yeah, none of this is news; is subby holder of the Ric Romero chair of World History at his local community college? "Nearly persuaded?" There was never even the slightest hint of a remote possibility of a minute chance of FDR Teddy Roosevelt supporting Hitler.

Fixed for Subby

Hmm. A quick stroll through IMDB shows that in addition to TR Jr., Fonda also played Gen. MacArthur, Adm. Nimitz (twice) and three presidents: Abe Lincoln and fictional presidents in Fail Safe and Meteor.

Besides the duke, there was also this bootlegger:

Arguably, the zenith of the Bund's history occurred on President's Day, February 19, 1939 at Madison Square Garden in New York City. Some 20,000 people attended and heard Kuhn criticize President Franklin D. Roosevelt by repeatedly referring to him as "Frank D. Rosenfeld", calling his New Deal the "Jew Deal", and stating his belief of Bolshevik-Jewish American leadership.

Roosevelt wasn't exactly liked by the Nazis. And remember the "German American Federation" and who they were and what they wanted the next time you see the likes of Jonah Goldberg attempting yet again their disgusting "the Nazis were leftists and American leftists supported them" revisionist history.

Burn_Atlanta: Paris1127: Unfortunately for Subby, not only was Teddy Roosevelt no longer president at that time, but he was also long dead. Also, that wasn't just any duke, it was the former King Edward VIII of England, who abdicated so that he could marry a previously-married woman, just like Prince Charles will. And people have known for a while that Edward VIII was a Nazi sympathizer.

Yeah, none of this is news; is subby holder of the Ric Romero chair of World History at his local community college? "Nearly persuaded?" There was never even the slightest hint of a remote possibility of a minute chance of FDR supporting Hitler.


No, he's not. The Ric Romero chair of World History is for professors who have have made careers out of pointing out things that are obvious, but true. Such as, "Birkenau was really unpleasant."

Also, the Duke of Windsor had a ghey affair with Douglas Fairbanks. Truly, Duke sucks

geniusiknowit: Hitler, that piece of shiat, was only out to unite the German people/German-speaking peoples of Europe. France should have given up Alsace-Lorraine. Britain should not have intervened regardless (she was completely incapable of defending France in the first place). It would have been a smaller, Europe-only war. America would have recovered from the Depression sooner. Germany and Russia could have fought and weakened each other.

Uh no. The war on the eastern front was a meat grinder and the Soviets had more meat. The Germans attacked in the Summer of 1941. By the summer of the next year the Soviets had ground them to a halt. After Feb 2nd 1943 the Soviets had the momentum and Hitlers fate was sealed.

I don't believe any research was done by the author of that article, sooooo many factual errors.

Typical Rothchild and cabal propaganda garbage and hatemongering,sounds just like the present MSM and Fox.

geniusiknowit:

Hm.

Hitler, that piece of shiat, was only out to unite the German people/German-speaking peoples of Europe. So, his Afrika Korps was uniting the German speaking peoples of Tunisia? He was trying to unite the German speaking peoples of Egypt when defeated at el Alamein? When he invaded Norway and Denmark, were those German speaking people clamoring for German hegemony? How about when he attacked France? Hitler posing in front of the Eiffel Tower must have been an immense relief to all the German speaking people in Paris.

Or not.

France should have given up Alsace-Lorraine. Why? Hitler never demanded it. He attacked Poland who had alliances with England and France. Germany going to war with France was over treaty obligations...not because the French refused to grant territorial demands.

Britain should not have intervened regardless (she was completely incapable of defending France in the first place). She wasn't supposed to be defending France. France was supposed to defend France. England was there to help but not to carry the burden alone.

It would have been a smaller, Europe-only war. Yeah...except for Africa. And the unrestricted submarine war in every ocean of the world. Oh, and except for Russia. Yeah, except for every-farking-where else where German armies attacked, it woulda been a "Europe-only" war.

America would have recovered from the Depression sooner. Really? What new industries (aside from ship building and armaments production) would have magically come along to lift America out of the Depression? Pretty much every chart of the Great Depression you see turns around in late 1933...right about the time the rest of the civilized world realizes that Hitler is rebuilding Germany's military and starts to increase their own military spending to match. Voila! Depression eases.

Germany and Russia could have fought and weakened each other. Yes, they did just that. When Hitler attacked Russia in summer 1941 he did so with 4.5 million troops (all Axis...not just German) so it's not like North Africa, Greece and garrisoning France and Norway was drawing off too much of his manpower. In fact, before the US entered the war, Germans were within sight of Moscow. It was only the nature of Russian geography (the front lines got longer as you advance further east), the severity of the Russian winter and the fact that Russia's manpower reserves dwarfed those of Germany meant Germany could and did bleed Russian and vice versa but the outcome was never really in doubt.

Fun fact: the Russians actually inquired in late 1940 as to joining the Axis. The Germans never responded and a second Russian inquiry in mid-January came back with "we need to speak to Italy and Japan" which was really a put off. Imagine how the war might have gone had Russia allied with Germany, Japan and Italy.

But no... everyone had to jump into the fight. GB and America allied with the Russians, who exterminated more people than did the Nazis, and when things started to look grim, Hitler decided to off the Jews. Bullshiat. Hitler didn't wait until things looked bad to start exterminating the Jews. The Final Solution was explicitly formed in January 1942...hardly before things got bad...and at that point, Hitler's men had already killed over a million Jews.

GB was not allied to the Russians. The Russians sought to ally themselves with the Germans and only became coincident allies with GB when Germany attacked them. Germany declared war on the United States in December 1941, not the other way around.

The rest of your post is typical, insensate bullcrap from someone who likely refers to the 8th grade as "their senior year". Seriously, you obviously ought not to try and stretch the brain matter you have left. Blinking and breathing are likely topping you out already. We're all kinda hoping that breeding is too much as well.

gwenners: Godwined in the boobies!


Pics or it didn't happen

Robert1966: Nice try, but no. Above all, the US got out of the Depression because of World War II, not in spite of it.

I was a little drunk and really whargrbled last night.

One thing I didn't get wrong was this, though.

The US didn't get out of the depression until after the end of the war, when New Deal programs began getting repealed.

The war was funded with inflation. If printing money made a country wealthy, poverty would have been eradicated worldwide centuries ago. Because of the war, unemployment went down (that's what happens when you enslave a significant portion of the population and send them overseas to die). GDP went up, but that was all inflation. Per capita consumption at the end of the was the same as it was during the middle of the depression. Saying a war is good for the economy is like saying a hurricane is good for the economy. It's the fallacy of the broken window. War destroys wealth.

geniusiknowit: War destroys wealth.

Apparently you are unaware of defense contractors.

Robert1966: geniusiknowit: War destroys wealth.

Apparently you are unaware of defense contractors.

Well then shiat... let's just go to war as a bailout!

We'll employ all the contractors for building the artillery, the houses and office buildings.. we'll employ all the workers, all the planners, the people who make patriotic flags and bumper stickers... Since war is good for an economy, let's call up our pals over in England, and see if they want to go to war with us. Their economy could use a boost, too. We'll bomb them. They'll bomb us. And we'll all prosper!