But did they get to have orgies in hot air balloons with giraffes and Chuck Norris? Because the McMartin kids did... and the cops believed it...

What would YOU do for a Klondike bar?

Innocent or not, if I were him, I'd have killed myself before I ever got to prison. I can't even imagine what the inmates would do to child-molesting ex-cop, but I bet death is preferable.

Paris1127: But did they get to have orgies in hot air balloons with giraffes and Chuck Norris? Because the McMartin kids did... and the cops believed it...

Wow, I had completely forgotten about that trial. You forgot the whole Satanic Cult angle, though. That's the part I mostly remember. Oh, and the fact that the initial complaint came from a woman who had already been diagnosed with schizophrenia & ended up drinking herself to death before the trial began.

brigid_fitch: Paris1127: But did they get to have orgies in hot air balloons with giraffes and Chuck Norris? Because the McMartin kids did... and the cops believed it...

Wow, I had completely forgotten about that trial. You forgot the whole Satanic Cult angle, though. That's the part I mostly remember. Oh, and the fact that the initial complaint came from a woman who had already been diagnosed with schizophrenia & ended up drinking herself to death before the trial began.

I didn't forget (ok, I forgot about the schizo mom) but those facts are the most ludicrous of them all. Although I also forgot about the tunnels under the playground leading to sacrifice... or whatever...

wow, he was a cop AND known as a molester in jail... he got raped fo sho...

/blanket party.

Why does everyone say kids are innocent? Children are monsters and should all be locked up until they are 18 for the sake of public safety.

They should let him rape his kids when he gets out, just to make a point.

Absolutely no statements by ANY person should ever be admitted into evidence if the individual cannot be fully cross-examined by the defense.

Ever.

That's farked up. He spent 20 years in a Federal PMITA prison for child abuse...and he's an ex-cop. Like others have said, he's lucky to be alive. If I were him, the first thing I would have done upon release is walk up to now-retired Detective Krause, and cockpunch him for every day I was in there.

The prosecutors/detectives/and his ex-wife twisted those kid's memories until they didn't even know if he really did abuse them. "You just blocked it out of your memory, of course he abused you!" Sickening.

All those involved with his prosecution should face defamation charges. At least something to let the accused feel vindicated.

when's his lawsuit against the state and the overzealous investigators start?

entered a no-contest plea because his public defender refused to defend him? there'd be a lawsuit for that waste of air as well..

Am I wrong, or does the article imply that a cop repeatedly harassed them with questions, trying to force them to come up with testimony that their father abused them?

It says the boy said he abused htem to get another cop to stop repeatedly asking them questions...

Vancouver, BC != Vancouver, WA...

/stupid media...

Paris1127: brigid_fitch: Paris1127: But did they get to have orgies in hot air balloons with giraffes and Chuck Norris? Because the McMartin kids did... and the cops believed it...

Wow, I had completely forgotten about that trial. You forgot the whole Satanic Cult angle, though. That's the part I mostly remember. Oh, and the fact that the initial complaint came from a woman who had already been diagnosed with schizophrenia & ended up drinking herself to death before the trial began.

I didn't forget (ok, I forgot about the schizo mom) but those facts are the most ludicrous of them all. Although I also forgot about the tunnels under the playground leading to sacrifice... or whatever...

The schizo mom was easy to forget, as only one of her personalities drank herself to death. The others were still ok to stand trial, although obviously under a lot of pressure, having lost their friend and all.

But man, I'll never forget those monkeys...

Heh heh....monkeys...

IonBeam2: Why does everyone say kids are innocent? Children are monsters and should all be locked up until they are 18 for the sake of public safety.

lol As a parent of a two year old... I must concur.

IonBeam2: Why does everyone say kids are innocent? Children are monsters and should all be locked up until they are 18 for the sake of public safety.

THANK YOU
dahmers love zombie: Absolutely no statements by ANY person should ever be admitted into evidence if the individual cannot be fully cross-examined by the defense.

Ever.

EXACTLY.
hej: They should let him rape his kids when he gets out, just to make a point.
You know he served the time, he should at least get to do the crime.

Though if my kids did this to me, and I got out, I'd farking rape them with a serrated steak knife.

What a horrible awful thing to lie about.

Paris1127: brigid_fitch: Paris1127: But did they get to have orgies in hot air balloons with giraffes and Chuck Norris? Because the McMartin kids did... and the cops believed it...

Wow, I had completely forgotten about that trial. You forgot the whole Satanic Cult angle, though. That's the part I mostly remember. Oh, and the fact that the initial complaint came from a woman who had already been diagnosed with schizophrenia & ended up drinking herself to death before the trial began.

I didn't forget (ok, I forgot about the schizo mom) but those facts are the most ludicrous of them all. Although I also forgot about the tunnels under the playground leading to sacrifice... or whatever...

Check your local listings for the next time the NBC special "Witch hunt" is on, it's about one of those sexual abuse panic cases of the 1980's, it was a really compelling program.

hej: They should let him rape his kids when he gets out, just to make a point.

There in their 30s now, where's the fun in that?

Wow, this is the worst episode of "Frasier" ever.

I'm confused. It says 'Vancouver B.C.' at the top of the story then mentions Vancouver WA? Teh Fark?

Poor cop.

Poor spelling Subby. How can an whole police office go to jail? How can a police office have kids?

Time to release him from prison and send him to Disneyland.

On second thought... that may not be a good idea.

They now need to find the mother, and any detectives that went along, and throw them all in jail and throw away the key. Not only did they frame an innocent man, they exploited two children who now have to live with what they did.

scottydoesntknow: If I were him, the first thing I would have done upon release is walk up to now-retired Detective Krause, and cockpunch him for every day I was in there.

I assume you're referring to detective Sharon Krause?

Crudbucket: hej: They should let him rape his kids when he gets out, just to make a point.

There in their 30s now, where's the fun in that?

Why should there be a time limit?

I actually remember my mom trying to do the exact same thing to me.

After my parents divorced she had in in with the cops to try and get me to say my dad raped me. I didn't lie and say he did, but I also wasn't hounded for a month by the same detective.

I was kinda shocked when I read that part in the article about how their mother said they had blocked it from memory. It's pretty much verbatim of what my mom kept telling me when I was growing up.

Cervidanti: Am I wrong, or does the article imply that a cop repeatedly harassed them with questions, trying to force them to come up with testimony that their father abused them?

It says the boy said he abused htem to get another cop to stop repeatedly asking them questions...

It also said the mother (who insisted the kids had blocked out the memory) had an affair with said cop's supervisor. It was most likely the supervisor who insisted on the persistent questioning.

Detective Sharon Krause

Woman? I would assume so. Sounds to me like a man hater took it too far. KHITBASH

Cervidanti: Am I wrong, or does the article imply that a cop repeatedly harassed them with questions, trying to force them to come up with testimony that their father abused them?

It says the boy said he abused htem to get another cop to stop repeatedly asking them questions...

In some places now they have special teams to interview children, because it is so easy to get them to agree to something that isn't true if you ask it in the wrong way. Someone good at pressuring a gang member to confess to a crime isn't necessarily well equipped in getting the truth from a five year old.

The Aristocrats?

Crudbucket: hej: They should let him rape his kids when he gets out, just to make a point.

There They're in their 30s now, where's the fun in that?

Dammit.

When people are found completely innocent of the crimes they were punished for, especially when there's been serious abuse of the legal system, in this case (apparently) an incompetent public defense and investigators messing with kids heads to get a certain testimony, I'm constantly frustrated that those who perpetrated the injustice seem to get away with it.

The judge, public defender, investigators, and any others who took part in creating this inappropriate result should see the inside of a jail cell for a significant amount of time.

scottydoesntknow: That's farked up. He spent 20 years in a Federal PMITA prison for child abuse...and he's an ex-cop. Like others have said, he's lucky to be alive. If I were him, the first thing I would have done upon release is walk up to now-retired Detective Krause, and cockpunch him for every day I was in there.

7300 Cockpunches. That would be the most consecutive cockpunches since Keith Hackney Fought Joe Son's crotch at UFC 4.

He was a cop and he though he had a better chance on APPEAL than from pleading NOT GUILTY? WTF?

He doesn't deserve prison for pederasty but he sure did pay for being a moron.

Both children, who live in Sacramento, Calif., said that while growing up in California they were told by their mother, who divorced Spencer before Spencer was charged, that they were blocking out the memory of the abuse.

What an absolutely classy family. He needs to biatchslap the ex for helping keep up the charade.

It's strange that there wouldn't be some obvious medical evidence at the time, considering the violent nature of the crimes he was charged with. If there was medical evidence, then something isn't adding up.

their dad is a police office? woah

This is why, when people decry restorative justice practices as being "soft on crime," and worry that there will be "no uniform code of justice, no fairness," I'm like LOOK AROUND PEOPLE. Just read a few stories like this one and ask yourself if things are fair under the current process. (shaking my head)

The two kids in question for false molestering charges

fyrewede: This is why, when people decry restorative justice practices as being "soft on crime," and worry that there will be "no uniform code of justice, no fairness," I'm like LOOK AROUND PEOPLE. Just read a few stories like this one and ask yourself if things are fair under the current process. (shaking my head)

And yet people don't understand why its a bad idea to allow capital punishment for child rape.

This is another example of why guilty verdicts should be beyond a reasonable doubt. The anti-death-penalty-pansies just want to ban capital punishment but have no regard for anyone else unfairly convicted.

It's like I said to a co-worker the other day - What if Michael Jackson never touched any kids? The response? "Oh, he was guilty, blah, blah, blah, they had evidence, blah, blah, blah - he just bought them off". You can't just buy prosecutors off though (okay, well, maybe you can, but there's no evidence of Jackson paying off the prosecutors - that I know of anyway).

Child molestation is a serious offense and almost everyone is horrified by it and rightly wants anyone who commits such an act to be severely punished, but we've seen too many times that accusations result in witch hunts which result in innocent people going to prison.

There's always the "think of the children" aspect, but I for one am willing to stand up and say Fark the Children (not literally, of course), but think of the innocent adult for a change!

How would you feel if you were even accused of such a crime? Even if you were eventually acquitted, the stigma of the accusation would follow you for the rest of your life.

Maybe they just wanted to get a new daddy...

doyner: And yet people don't understand why it's a bad idea to allow capital punishment for child rapeanything.

FTFM.

skinink: I don't know how many Farkers have look at a typical police report. I had one written on me after an incident and requested it (after my lawyer saw no need to get a copy for my case). Cops do like to embellish and I can't remember the movie but the quote went something like if a cop thinks your guilty, he's gonna make you guilty.

The cop's report was so bad he couldn't even get my name correct on the report even after copying down my license info. for a second I thought about ignoring the summons because it clearly wasn't my name on the report.

I read a police report at work last week. It went something like this:
"Suspect was pulled over for suspicious broken tail-light. I asked for license and registration. Suspect was acting suspiciously. Suspect was acting very nervous, hands were trembling nervously and suspiciously. Suspect answered my questions, but very suspiciously and nervously. Suspect looked from side to side at one point. Suspect smelled strongly of marijuana. Car smelled strongly of marijuana. Driver's license and registration papers smelled strongly of marijuana. I handcuffed suspect and conducted a warrantless search of the vehicle for contraband and officer safety. I found an unregistered pistol in the trunk, locked in a box, unloaded. No marijuana was found. I immediately arrested suspect."

Mustakraken: When people are found completely innocent of the crimes they were punished for, especially when there's been serious abuse of the legal system, in this case (apparently) an incompetent public defense and investigators messing with kids heads to get a certain testimony, I'm constantly frustrated that those who perpetrated the injustice seem to get away with it.

The judge, public defender, investigators, and any others who took part in creating this inappropriate result should see the inside of a jail cell for a significant amount of time.

Yep and unfortunately, until they start handing out suitable punishment to coonts like these, with no appropriate deterrence for such heinous tactics, this sort of shiat will continue to happen time and time again.

austerity101: doyner: And yet people don't understand why it's a bad idea to allow capital punishment for child rapeanything.

FTFM.

I agree completely.

mud_shark: The anti-death-penalty-pansies just want to ban capital punishment but have no regard for anyone else unfairly convicted.


This ruins what otherwise was an ok argument. Where do you get this shiat?

doyner: austerity101: doyner: And yet people don't understand why it's a bad idea to allow capital punishment for child rapeanything.

FTFM.

I agree completely.

Glad someone does. What difference does it make what someone is convicted of? If you kill him and he was actually innocent, you've still killed an innocent man.

We really need to get over our obsession with child molestation, too.

mud_shark: What if Michael Jackson never touched any kids? The response? "Oh, he was guilty, blah, blah, blah, they had evidence, blah, blah, blah - he just bought them off".

If someone thinks getting a few million dollars is more important than putting someone who hurt your kid in jail then he/she deserves...(whatever crazy punishment you can think of)

I'd have voted for the asinine tag. The cops essentially committed perjury to back up a false accusation, by coercing false testimony from a couple of children.

Sad that it took so long for the truth to come out. Lawsuits, anyone?

Noam Chimpsky: It's strange that there wouldn't be some obvious medical evidence at the time, considering the violent nature of the crimes he was charged with. If there was medical evidence, then something isn't adding up.

Someone didn't read the article:

For several years, Spencer's appeals failed. He was denied parole five times because he refused to admit guilt and enter a sex offender treatment program.

He hired Seattle attorney Peter Camiel in the mid-1990s. Camiel and a private investigator uncovered several disturbing facts about the investigation - including that prosecutors withheld medical exams that showed no evidence of abuse, despite Krause's claims that the children had been violently, repeatedly raped - and those discoveries led Gov. Gary Locke to commute Spencer's sentence in 2004.

austerity101: We really need to get over our obsession with child molestation, too.

No kidding. How else could we create strippers and porn stars?