Gawdzila: atomicmask: It seems everyone learned that guns are still the best way to fight an oppressive government.


Disagrees:

Really? Is he not the same guy that said "If someone is shooting at you with a gun, it is reasonable to take your own gun and shoot him back"

Also Indias exception to the rule did not negate the rule. A one time fluke vs the hundreds of other regimes removed threw civil war does not add up to a huge change.

OgreMagi: atomicmask: eqtworld: What happened to the daily 1000 post Iran threads and the green band?

Is Iran free yet?

No, apparently twitter is not a proper way to fight a revolutionary war. It seems everyone learned that guns are still the best way to fight an oppressive government. But it sure was fun pretending!

You are wrong. Information is what wins a revolution. That's why Twitter could have made the difference.

Of course, the best information is where to take your own guns to shoot the oppressive bastards.

Of course information HELPS to win and change things, but all in all, its a bullet traveling down the barrel of a gun that finally makes the difference. Totalitarian regimes do not remove themselves peacefully, if they did they wouldnt be totalitarian regimes.

eqtworld: What happened to the daily 1000 post Iran threads and the green band?

Is Iran free yet?

I'm most pissed about Fark silently removing the green band. I mean WTF, the protest are still going on.

atomicmask: Gawdzila: atomicmask: It seems everyone learned that guns are still the best way to fight an oppressive government.


Disagrees:

Really? Is he not the same guy that said "If someone is shooting at you with a gun, it is reasonable to take your own gun and shoot him back"

No that was the Dalai Lama, but he's also an internationally recognized icon of failure. So I see what you did there.

MindStalker: eqtworld: What happened to the daily 1000 post Iran threads and the green band?

Is Iran free yet?

I'm most pissed about Fark silently removing the green band. I mean WTF, the protest are still going on.

I came here to say that. Seriously, thanks Fark. You went the way of the Main Stream Media. Hey lets have 50 more Michael Jackson threads!

Deagan Herumor: MindStalker: eqtworld: What happened to the daily 1000 post Iran threads and the green band?

Is Iran free yet?

I'm most pissed about Fark silently removing the green band. I mean WTF, the protest are still going on.

I came here to say that. Seriously, thanks Fark. You went the way of the Main Stream Media. Hey lets have 50 more Michael Jackson threads!

Ever try to view fark w/o Adblock? its horrendous.

Lumi: Eh, no different from us chastising China or North Korea for human rights abuses like torture or holding people years without trial.

TOTALLY THIS.

(But of course, being civilized, we only beat, shoot and torture people who are from a different country....usually...unless they're black, or bicyclists, or old ladies arguing with a traffic cop.

Deagan Herumor: MindStalker: eqtworld: What happened to the daily 1000 post Iran threads and the green band?

Is Iran free yet?

I'm most pissed about Fark silently removing the green band. I mean WTF, the protest are still going on.

I came here to say that. Seriously, thanks Fark. You went the way of the Main Stream Media. Hey lets have 50 more Michael Jackson threads!

I'll pile on as well. I guess the dumbass that wanted the green band removed wasn't even paying attention to how monumental the events in Iran are, and just thought "derrr I guess it's over". Not by a long shot.

Lumi: Eh, no different from us chastising China or North Korea for human rights abuses like torture or holding people years without trial.

Yeah but I think the difference is that we recognize it's wrong and we're trying to at least not do that anymore. Whereas China has been doing it forever and have done worse. North Korea is a whole 'nother level.

But that's just me.

From July 10th, Nite Owl's Green Brief

Protests / Unrest

1. There was a gathering of the families of those detained during the protests in Tehran today. Protesters stood in front of Kalantari 103 Pasdaran, 140 Baghe Faiz and Enghelab Square. Numbers cannot be confirmed, but the numbers were probably small.

2. It has not been confirmed that Basijis attacked the dorms of the Polytechnic University yesterday. The presence of Rafsanjani's family was also partially confirmed. Still no word of whether Mousavi joined mourners later in the evening like he said he would.

3. Police in Nicosia, Cyprus clashes with Iranian protesters in front of the Iranian Embassy. People were seen being dragged and reports indicate that several were arrested and held for several hours. Whether this was from July 09 cannot be confirmed at this point. Here's a video related to the incident: Revolutionary Road...: Shame on Cyprus police!


Government / International

4. Ayatollah Hashim Hashim-Zadeh Hareesi - a member of the Assembly of Experts - said today that people had started to distrust the system. He explained that whatever had happened after the election had caused people to become suspicious and that the government needed to take strides to restore people's trust otherwise, distrust could result in further more severe problems.

5. Tehran's Interim Fridays Prayers Leader Ayatollah Mohammad Emami-Kashani asked the Majlis of Iran to take measures in solving some short-comings that are present in the current electoral law. According to Ayatollah Emami Kashani, the unrest that followed the recent election was a result of those short-comings.

6. The Guardian Council's spokesperson, Abbas Ali Kadkhodaie said today that the Guardian Council was currently going over the entire election. According to him, the Council will soon release a detailed report about the election. The Council has already affirmed the impartiality and accuracy of the election which leaves little room for further investigation into charges of fraud.

7. The French Ambassador in Tehran met with Clotilde Reiss, the detained Frenchwoman who's currently being held in Iran on charges of espionage. According to the ambassador, Ms. Reiss looked in good mental health. It is not clear as of yet when she will be released.

8. Iran's government today summoned the German ambassador and questioned him about the death of an Egyptian woman in Germany at the hands of racist extremists. Iranian TV continues to show her death and accuse the West of acting against Muslims in Europe.

9. The G7 nations + Russia have given Iran till September to restart negotiations on its controversial nuclear program. It was unclear what Iran's rejection of this offer would entail. The statement came during a meeting in l'Aquila, Italy where the group was meeting to go over the world-wide economic downturn.

10. A U.S. panel has demanded that Baha'is facing trial in Iran be released immediately. Baha'is are a religious minority in Iran who believe in a universal religion and are fervent supporters of world peace. They are openly persecuted because of the country's strict religious laws.

11. The Canadian government also summoned the Iranian ambassador in Ottawa and demanded the immediate release of Canadian-Iranian journalist Mazyar Bahari. Bahari has been detained for a while now and the government is trying to keep a lid on his whereabouts. He works for Newsweek.


Arrests / Releases / Deaths

12. Iranian-American Scholar, Kian Tajbakhsh has been arrested according to reliable sources. Majid Durri has also been rearrested. There are also reports that security forces arrested several students during their raid at Amir Kabir University's dorm. Their fate remains unknown.

13. The only person released today was Kambiz Noroozi, yet his release cannot be fully confirmed. Family members of several political prisoners - including those of Mirdamadi and Hajjarian - met with Ayatollah Mousavi Aradabeli today. Ayatollah Ardabeli consoled the families and discussed the issue with them. He later said that this is an important issue and needed to be dealt with as soon as possible.

14. Reports have now surfaced that people detained during yesterday's protests have been moved to Evin Prison. The prison is reportedly so full that people are kept in the corridors. Sources have confirmed that people are being viciously tortured and detainees are underfed. Many are facing solitary confinement.


Media

15. Fars News has reported that the government has discovered a recording studio belonging to the BBC at Mousavi's campaign headquarters. Iranian media continues to beat the drum of an Egyptian woman's death in Germany and protests yesterday were for the most part, ignored.

CynicalLA: 2001? Italian police? It's the Mexico of Europe.

Quick explanation: there are two Italian national police forces, one run by civilians and one run by the military: the Polizia and Carabinieri respectively. They are both extremely incompetent. There's a story of a bank robbery, and the Polizia and Carabinieri both arrived on the scene. A deal had to be struck that the Polizia got the suspects, and the Carabinieri got the evidence.
And that's only one reason why Italy is the Mexico of Europe

/Italian joke: two Carabinieri walk into an apartment building. The suspect is on the top floor. The first Carabiniere says to the other "call the elevator." The second then yells "elevator!" The first says, "no, with your finger." The second puts his finger in his mouth and yells "ewevator!"
//lived there 3 months

Ha ha, that's as hilariously ironic as the United States criticising other countries for human rights violations.

Techhell: fendrluvr: That's quite hypocritical, but I really don't see what this has to do with Michael Jackson.

It has everything to do with Michael Jackson; his death is the reason for the resignation of Michael Palin as the governor of Alaska to spend more time with her lawyers, and lead directly to this sad situation we call Caturday.

Lumi: Eh, no different from us chastising China or North Korea for human rights abuses like torture or holding people years without trial.

painendstheass: Ha ha, that's as hilariously ironic as the United States criticising other countries for human rights violations.


Y'all really have no concept of scale, do you?

/'Cause Free Speech Zones are clearly the same as the Cultural Revolution

Some news:

Advisor to Iranian supreme leader calls for tolerance of dissent (new window)

And I can't wait to receive Iran's special "package"...

Iran's Package (new window)

/air quotes are fun.

luidprand: Lumi: Eh, no different from us chastising China or North Korea for human rights abuses like torture or holding people years without trial.

painendstheass: Ha ha, that's as hilariously ironic as the United States criticising other countries for human rights violations.


Y'all really have no concept of scale, do you?

/'Cause Free Speech Zones are clearly the same as the Cultural Revolution

You don't understand the Evil Cultural Relativism Reflex do you? Not matter what any other nation does, from cannibalism to female circumcision, it's on the same scale as American mores and actions.

I don't think it takes more than 3 posts from any wicked thing done in the world before the United States is brought into the discussion.

Dear Irani government,

STFU and go away.

Sincerely,

The entire planet

Fano: luidprand: Lumi: Eh, no different from us chastising China or North Korea for human rights abuses like torture or holding people years without trial.

painendstheass: Ha ha, that's as hilariously ironic as the United States criticising other countries for human rights violations.


Y'all really have no concept of scale, do you?

/'Cause Free Speech Zones are clearly the same as the Cultural Revolution

You don't understand the Evil Cultural Relativism Reflex do you? Not matter what any other nation does, from cannibalism to female circumcision, it's on the same scale as American mores and actions.

I don't think it takes more than 3 posts from any wicked thing done in the world before the United States is brought into the discussion.

Yes, why would the remaining international superpower who often is involved in world affairs be mentioned so much in regard to world affairs?

RemyDuron: Fano: luidprand: Lumi: Eh, no different from us chastising China or North Korea for human rights abuses like torture or holding people years without trial.

painendstheass: Ha ha, that's as hilariously ironic as the United States criticising other countries for human rights violations.


Y'all really have no concept of scale, do you?

/'Cause Free Speech Zones are clearly the same as the Cultural Revolution

You don't understand the Evil Cultural Relativism Reflex do you? Not matter what any other nation does, from cannibalism to female circumcision, it's on the same scale as American mores and actions.

I don't think it takes more than 3 posts from any wicked thing done in the world before the United States is brought into the discussion.

Yes, why would the remaining international superpower who often is involved in world affairs be mentioned so much in regard to world affairs?

No, that makes sense. But the abuses of the US (or most of the Western nations, for that matter) are so trivial when compared to China and Iran (or even Venezuela) as to be nonexistent. This doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to better ourselves, but comparing the Western states' crimes to those of, say, Sudan and Nigeria and so on marginalizes their sins and shifts the burden away from them.

By not holding every nation to the same standards (and say, comparing as equal the treatment of sex workers in American cities to those in Cambodia as opposed to looking at both kind an scale), one actually is stating that either a) all crimes are equal (which is untrue) or b) it is acceptable to hold non-Post-Industrial nations to different standards (which implies they can't achieve those standards, which is also untrue).

And to bring up slavery (which happened in the US over 140 years ago, was supported by less than a quarter the population at that time, and were not the ancestors of the vast majority of the current population anyways) as the same as African, Communist, or South-East Asian slavery which is happening right now is as silly as comparing the Inquisition (less people killed than in Cromwell's purging of Ireland) to the purges of the Islamic Revolution.

Lumi: Eh, no different from us chastising China or North Korea for human rights abuses like torture or holding people years without trial.

Yeah but the DPRK and PRC have been doing that regularly for at least half a century! We're still pretty new at that.


I wonder if anyone's going to go on CNN (ha!) and show Italian cops maybe roughing up some protesters, then show Basij shooting and killing non-violent protesters in an effort to publicly humiliate Ahmadinnerjacket.

-Iran foreign ministry to current dictatorship: "Mr. Tater, I don't think the MIB mind eraser you got off ebay is working; they still remember last month."

-Mr. Dick Tater: "Damn that Tommy Lee Jones"