can they call it a homo-abortion-pot-and-commie-jizzporium instead?

I hope he spends many years rotting in a pee-pee-soaked heck-hole.

I wonder what code word they want to use for statutory rape.

Bucky Katt: I wonder what code word they want to use for statutory rape.

Church

Bucky Katt: I wonder what code word they want to use for statutory rape.

Christmas

You're not giving us much else to work with, Mr. Alamo.

gorgor: Bucky Katt: I wonder what code word they want to use for statutory rape.

Church-sanctioned

FIFY

Miss Stein: gorgor: Bucky Katt: I wonder what code word they want to use for statutory rape.

Church-sanctioned

FIFY

Sacred ritual would also work.

Fair trade - we'll also not use "due process", "fair trial" and "not guilty".

these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

This is a pretty common tactic with respect to language. All sorts of language can unfairly prejudice the jury.

Multi-wiving fanatically narrow religious sect's enclosure.

Problem solved, and now it sounds even worse!

Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

Almost had me till the end. 7/10.

Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

I think you're a troll, I really really really do hope you're a troll.

To be fair "polygamy," "cult" and "compound" are loaded words. Couldn't one use"open marriage", "alternative religion", and "sacred ground"?

Polygamy is a pretty direct term, though. "Cult" is definitely prejudicial, and "compound" could be unless it's what the cultists religious group used it, themselves.

Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

But, but... I don't wanna go to mormon heaven.

Bucky Katt: I wonder what code word they want to use for statutory rape.

Banana

lizardcowgal: Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

I think you're a troll, I really really really do hope you're a troll.

Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

I wonder if they'll want to file a motion to request that words like "hot" and "beef" and "injection" aren't used when their client is in jail getting a hot beef injection?

what's more you will see this man exonerated if i have to sponsor the link to get it on the main page myself.

I guess the defense has a point: if they guy is a pedophile, call him that; the other accusations originate from murky moral/religious waters, and only serve as points of character assassination in a trial that only incidentally relates to them. Bringing them up in point of fact is one thing, but repeating it every five minutes, as any good prosecutor would, should be tantamount to jury contamination... though it certainly wouldn't be viewed as such.

Livingroom: lizardcowgal: Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

I think you're a troll, I really really really do hope you're a troll.

Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.


Um, isn't for a jury to decide whether he's guilty or innocent?

All organized religion is an attempt at mass mind control and therefore unethical if not outright immoral-IMHO

craxyd: Livingroom: lizardcowgal: Livingroom: snip

Um, isn't for a jury to decide whether he's guilty or innocent?

it's up to the voters to decide who's president, but you still see people griping about obama.

509boatman55: All organized religion is an attempt at mass mind control and therefore unethical if not outright immoral-IMHO

You could say the same about public education, television or books.

Livingroom: craxyd: Livingroom: lizardcowgal: Livingroom: snip

Um, isn't for a jury to decide whether he's guilty or innocent?

it's up to the voters to decide who's president, but you still see people griping about obama.


What the hell does that have to do with anything? Maybe I has the dumb today but that made no damn sense to me.

Livingroom: what's more you will see this man exonerated if i have to sponsor the link to get it on the main page myself.

So if he's convicted, does that mean god wants Tony Alamo to spend the rest of his life in PMITA prison? And what kind of god would want that for one of his servants?

fizzix_is_fun: can they call it a homo-abortion-pot-and-commie-jizzporium instead?

They are trying to paint it in a bad light though, not liken it to the YMCA.

craxyd: Livingroom: craxyd: Livingroom: lizardcowgal: Livingroom: snip

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What the hell does that have to do with anything? Maybe I has the dumb today but that made no damn sense to me.

cant brain today? what i'm getting at is whether it's up to the jury or not, i can still have an opinion on the matter. and, knowing the man, and knowing his medical condition, i can know that these charges are as false as can be.

the witty reply i made indicates that it was up to voters to decide the president, and now 9 months later people are still saying he's illegal/illegitimate/not born in the US and so on. they're entitled to their opinions, too, even though it's out of their hands what is decided.

Your Faith is Creepy: Livingroom: what's more you will see this man exonerated if i have to sponsor the link to get it on the main page myself.

So if he's convicted, does that mean god wants Tony Alamo to spend the rest of his life in PMITA prison? And what kind of god would want that for one of his servants?

the point is, he wont be. he will be aquitted. you can laugh now and mock at me, but he will be.

pjspaws:
But, but... I don't wanna go to mormon heaven.

No shiat. My idea of "outer darkness" (Mormon-speak for hell) is spending eternity as Wife #43 of a so-called priesthood holder, bearing his spirit-children to populate his personal planet that revolves around the star Kolob.

/sooner take the real eternal darkness anyday

Headline made me think of the amusing Extenze infomercials; they sell a penis-enlarging pill and go a whole 30 minutes without mentioning either "penis" or "pill", opting instead for "that special part of the male body."

Your Faith is Creepy: Livingroom: what's more you will see this man exonerated if i have to sponsor the link to get it on the main page myself.

So if he's convicted, does that mean god wants Tony Alamo to spend the rest of his life in PMITA prison? And what kind of god would want that for one of his servants?

The kind of god that doesn't like his so-called servants reading his laws the way they want to instead of the way HE meant them to.

I honestly believe in freedom of (and from) religion. That includes the polygamists, cultists, et al. Believe whatever you want, as long as you don't forcefully indoctrinate others, and don't make trouble for your neighbors. Given that this specific fine specimen of Mormon insanity (not to point at Mormons specifically... there are crazies in all beliefs) is in essence a whipping boy does not do our justice system any favors.

CNN was doing a 24 hour reel on how evil polygamy was, and how awful its members were, despite the fact that most of the folks they interviewed were just fine with the system, and not really bad neighbors to boot. They had to SEARCH for the baddies. Frankly, there are baddies in every religious stripe, simply because people suck. That doesn't mean the religion or belief system inherently sucks, only that the people who practice it do.

Really... call him what he really is... a pedophile. Polygamy, and by extension Mormonism in its older form, are not directly responsible for that.

OH, Livingroom. That death giggle made my brain explode. It's all your fault, you made the janitor have to work overtime. You bastard.

Livingroom: craxyd: Livingroom: craxyd: Livingroom: lizardcowgal: Livingroom: snip

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What the hell does that have to do with anything? Maybe I has the dumb today but that made no damn sense to me.


No need to be so snippy...

It's not a Compound (slightly NFSW images flashed in there)

It's a ranch, and it's our home.

/the original interview was pretty creepy to begin with

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OH, Livingroom. That death giggle made my brain explode. It's all your fault, you made the janitor have to work overtime. You bastard.

hehe, thats pretty awesome, isnt it? i was bored.

This reminds me of the controversy over using the word "rape" in a trial when you're prosecuting a rape. So what do you call it? Surprise sex?

Polygamy is a fairly straightforward word. Opposite of monogamy. If they weren't marrying, it might be better described as polyamory, if it was multiple husbands, it would be polyandry.

I could see not wanting to use cult, but I can almost assure you that motion will fail, and if it did the ASSC would not overturn the conviction based on it. If they did that they might have to overturn the conviction of the West Memphis Three.

also, tony alamo is not a mormon. polygamy != mormons, all the time. plus, no polygamy or underage crap went on there.

Livingroom:

Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

If God is angered by our petty arguments about a man in trouble with the law, then he is not truly a god.

/unknown is unknowable
//been reading about taoism

Wow. Reading up on Tony on the web is an experience.

1. He's been successful in business

2. He's had several "disagreements" with the authorities, on everything from labor laws to his treatment of children.

3. His personal life seems turbulent, best exemplified by the phrase "women -- can't live with 'em; can't live without 'em"

4. His religious philosophy is somewhat apart from the mainstream

5. His church seems less like a conventional church and more like a cult.

Tony's going to need a real good lawyer on this case, from all that I read about him.

If the state can't convict him without using prejudicial words, then he deserves to go free.
If they're trying to prove multiple counts of statutory rape, then that it occurred in a compound, camp, housing project, ranch, or anything else is irrelevant. Same thing with cult. And as for polygamy, unless they're charging him with bigamy, then that's irrelevant, too.

oh believe you me, there was plenty of polygamy and underage crap going on there

Oznog, did you ever watch the original interview? It actually made me very angry with the interviewer. Admittedly, the women being interviewed creeped me out something awful, but freedom of religion also has to cover the creepy folks, as long as they don't break specific laws.

Oh, and entirely my fault, Livingroom. I crossed wires in my head, and thought he was Warren Jeffs for some reason. Isn't Tony Alamo one of the basic Christian nutballs, as opposed to the Mormon variety?

hairywoogit: Really... call him what he really is... a pedophile.

Meh, that's a thoughtcrime. He's charged with having sex with underage girls, not "being someone who likes sex with underage girls". We don't charge pedophiles any more than we charge alcoholics... but have sex with the kid, or get behind the wheel drunk, and we'll charge you because of your action.

Theaetetus:
Meh, that's a thoughtcrime. He's charged with having sex with underage girls, not "being someone who likes sex with underage girls". We don't charge pedophiles any more than we charge alcoholics... but have sex with the kid, or get behind the wheel drunk, and we'll charge you because of your action.

To clarify, I agree with you. Pedophilia isn't illegal, acting on pedophilia is.

The language certainly is loaded, and I believe using it probably would prejudice an ordinary group of people towards the idea that certain things were already foregone conclusions.

As Theaetetus said, if they can't convict without it, they don't deserve to.

hairywoogit:
To clarify, I agree with you. Pedophilia isn't illegal, acting on pedophilia is.

Yeah, but my point is that "pedophile" is (a) not a crime, (b) a loaded word sure to get a conviction no matter what he's charged with, from buggering kids all the way to shooting JFK, and (c) irrelevant, because non-pedophiles can bugger kids, too.

Call him "a person who had sex with underage girls". There's really no reason to use words that are inflammatory. We can't convict him merely for being a pedophile, and if there's no actual evidence, he shouldn't be convicted.

1) This guy is a sleazebag.

2) It's amazing how quickly your home becomes a "compound" once you defy the government, isn't it?