walnuts55: ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

Did he bang that one?

"'Juvenile #1' told me that on May 17, 2000, when she was only about nine years old, she and Alamo exchanged wedding vows," according to a search warrant affidavit (pdf)

The document describes inappropriate touching of "juvenile #1" in Fouke, Ark., by Alamo that began when she was only 8. After their "wedding" when she was 9, Alamo allegedly engaged in conduct with the girl that would constitute rape under Arkansas law."

Well Duh she was not his sister, If she would have been Then the sex would have been OK.

My ex is a preacher's son. He was telling me that when he was little, he would imitate his dad's lessons after church.
He said that one day they had a baptism. So naturally, he had to copy what he saw. He said he got his puppy and a bucket, and then said, "In the name of the Father, the Son, and in the hole you go".

His dad would qualify as a cult leader regardless of what definition you use, but I still think that story was cute.

walnuts55: walnuts55: ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

Did he bang that one?

"'Juvenile #1' told me that on May 17, 2000, when she was only about nine years old, she and Alamo exchanged wedding vows," according to a search warrant affidavit (pdf)

The document describes inappropriate touching of "juvenile #1" in Fouke, Ark., by Alamo that began when she was only 8. After their "wedding" when she was 9, Alamo allegedly engaged in conduct with the girl that would constitute rape under Arkansas law."

Well Duh she was not his sister, If she would have been Then the sex would have been OK.

You sir are a sick, sick man and I raise my beer in salute to you.

Religion - cult, compound - house... one thing about which there can be no doubt, he's got a biatchin' ass logo!



That's like a pimp chalice for the Lord!

technicolor-misfit: Religion - cult, compound - house... one thing about which there can be no doubt, he's got a biatchin' ass logo!



That's like a pimp chalice for the Lord!

Is that for real? If so someone has some huge cojones ego

Kumana Wanalaia: Livingroom: Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

There is no god. Like it or lump it.

Feel free to GTFO, because no one else is going to.

That's the way it is, kiddo.

Prove it.

UnspokenVoice: "Prove it."

Science doesn't work that way. You cannot prove a negative, you can only supplant one theory/hypothesis with one which is better supported by the evidence and which offers superior predictive power.

Can you prove Santa Claus doesn't exist? Of course not. Yet I would hope we can agree that it's quite reasonable to lack belief in him. Why is that? How do you justify not believing in Santa when you cannot prove he doesn't exist?

ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

Did he bang that one?

"'Juvenile #1' told me that on May 17, 2000, when she was only about nine years old, she and Alamo exchanged wedding vows," according to a search warrant affidavit (pdf)

The document describes inappropriate touching of "juvenile #1" in Fouke, Ark., by Alamo that began when she was only 8. After their "wedding" when she was 9, Alamo allegedly engaged in conduct with the girl that would constitute rape under Arkansas law."

Okay, but how hard do you have to bang someone for it to qualify as rape under Arkansas law?

I know where I'm going when I die. I'm donating my corpse to medical science and research. I want to do something useful with me. Burials are such a waste. As far as my mind or soul, it will simply stop functioning and I will be no more. And I'm okay with this. Such is the natural cycle of life. To spend your time chasing fantasies and myths is beyond me. Get off your arse and contribute to society. A lot of us stopped playing make belive a long time ago. And you should to.

Your Faith is Creepy: Livingroom: what's more you will see this man exonerated if i have to sponsor the link to get it on the main page myself.

So if he's convicted, does that mean god wants Tony Alamo to spend the rest of his life in PMITA prison? And what kind of god would want that for one of his servants?

Hey now. One god one vote, buddy.

so where is islam on trial?

Your Faith is Creepy: Livingroom: what's more you will see this man exonerated if i have to sponsor the link to get it on the main page myself.

So if he's convicted, does that mean god wants Tony Alamo to spend the rest of his life in PMITA prison? And what kind of god would want that for one of his servants?

Read up on what he did to Job.

And he liked that farker.

Theaetetus: hairywoogit:
To clarify, I agree with you. Pedophilia isn't illegal, acting on pedophilia is.

Yeah, but my point is that "pedophile" is (a) not a crime, (b) a loaded word sure to get a conviction no matter what he's charged with, from buggering kids all the way to shooting JFK, and (c) irrelevant, because non-pedophiles can bugger kids, too.

This is such an odd viewpoint, yet guaranteed to bring out a lot of sympathy on the internet.

I hope everyone agrees that acting on pedophilia includes possessing or creating child porn or attempting to reinforce in society that pedophilia is normal or OK.

The claim of thoughtcrime is bullshiat. What goes on in your head is not always without consequence. As soon as you express it, you're behaving in a certain way that a healthy society rejects.

My most obvious point is that children are just like us, except vulnerable to manipulation of all kinds. Extra protections afforded to them are not unreasonable and one of those is the rejection of pedophilia by society.

It's not OK to be a pedophile. Any argument that it is had best include the recognition that the pedophile in question is damaged in ways that violate what is acceptable in society.

You can live your life any way you goddamn want. I'm among the first to say be a skeptic and resist authority. But don't shiat where you farking eat. Don't alter society in such a way that can hurt your children.

Miss Stein: gorgor: Bucky Katt: I wonder what code word they want to use for statutory rape.

Church-sanctioned

FIFY

That will work :)

I almost forgot to add: buggering kids does indeed make you a pedophile.

Steve_Hartgen: hairywoogit: Really... call him what he really is... a pedophile.

As I recall, many if not most females have reach sexual maturity about age 14. Once a person reaches sexual maturity, they are biologically an adult. He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

Two million years of evolution can't be wrong.

Unfortunately for your post, sex with someone younger than the age of consent is pedophilia. Admittedly the age of consent is best set around 16 with situations like a couple of 14 year olds getting caught having sex better dealt with quietly than criminally.

The laws governing underage sex recognise that a large age gap usually indicates manipulation on the part of the older party. Prior to becoming an adult it's very hard for most kids to say no, or even understand to say no to someone older regardless of what they want. Pedophiles generally recognise that if they ask a kid for sex they're probably going to get it. That makes it like not asking at all but simply taking. That's why sex with someone under the age of consent is statutory rape.

Zamboro: UnspokenVoice: "Prove it."

Science doesn't work that way. You cannot prove a negative, you can only supplant one theory/hypothesis with one which is better supported by the evidence and which offers superior predictive power.

Can you prove Santa Claus doesn't exist? Of course not.

bullshiat. of course you can prove santa doesnt exsist, it's been done: Link (new window)

Retort: Unfortunately for your post, sex with someone younger than the age of consent is pedophilia.

No it isn't. Before you correct someone else maybe you should look up the facts, you have internet access so it shouldn't be that difficult.

Livingroom: bullshiat. of course you can prove santa doesnt exsist, it's been done: Link (new window

That just proves Santa couldn't exist without the help of his magical elves.

Livingroom: "bullshiat. of course you can prove santa doesnt exsist, it's been done:"

There are similar 'disproofs' of the Christian god that Christians reject, explaining it away via the supernatural. I might take the same approach, claiming that Santa's supernatural properties make possible everything that fellow claims is impossible.

Nothing can travel that fast? Only within the natural universe. Being supernatural Santa can travel outside of the universe.

No workshop at the North Pole? It exists in a supernatural dimension where no scientific equipment can detect it.

If people were as emotionally invested in Santa Claus as they are in God, and if a religion had formed around him, you'd hear these apologetic arguments and plenty more like them. You'd be accused of logical positivism and tremendous arrogance for declaring your nonbelief in Santa. Agnostics would insist that you cannot make such a claim as you cannot know such a thing, and so on.

tinfoil-hat maggie - technicolor-misfit: Religion - cult, compound - house... one thing about which there can be no doubt, he's got a biatchin' ass logo!

That's like a pimp chalice for the Lord!


Is that for real? If so someone has some huge cojones ego


Indeed it is...

http://alamoministries.com (new window)

jst3p: Retort: Unfortunately for your post, sex with someone younger than the age of consent is pedophilia.

No it isn't. Before you correct someone else maybe you should look up the facts, you have internet access so it shouldn't be that difficult.

Sadly it appears that sex with children is indeed the act of pedophilia. Get back under your bridge, take your waste of a post with you.

Moriah: This reminds me of the controversy over using the word "rape" in a trial when you're prosecuting a rape. So what do you call it? Surprise sex?


Fun for one?
/Lord I apologize..

Retort: jst3p: Retort: Unfortunately for your post, sex with someone younger than the age of consent is pedophilia.

No it isn't. Before you correct someone else maybe you should look up the facts, you have internet access so it shouldn't be that difficult.

Sadly it appears that sex with children is indeed the act of pedophilia. Get back under your bridge, take your waste of a post with you.

Hmm...

Lets start a game of twenty questions.

Theme: What is wrong with your post

Dallymo: Phil McKraken: TEXARKANA, Ark. - ... Tony Alamo (uh-LAH'-moh)

Notice the pronunciation guide. That's Texarkana, Arkansas. What a shiathole.

It's pronounced "Oz-WEE-pay"!

Classic! No one ever remembers that when I try to quote it at them.

Retort: jst3p: Retort: Unfortunately for your post, sex with someone younger than the age of consent is pedophilia.

No it isn't. Before you correct someone else maybe you should look up the facts, you have internet access so it shouldn't be that difficult.

Sadly it appears that sex with children is indeed the act of pedophilia. Get back under your bridge, take your waste of a post with you.

No, attraction to pre-pubescent persons is paedophilia. Sex with someone younger that the age of consent is statutory rape. It is possible to commit statutory rape of a person who is younger than the age of consent without being a paedophile if that person is not pre-pubescent.

In my Boobies I recommended you look up the word, advice you obviously didn't take. You only looked ignorant then, now you look ignorant, arrogant and foolish. Congrats!

I was pwnd by the filter, he was owned by his stupidity. I can live with that.

Miss Stein: pjspaws:
But, but... I don't wanna go to mormon heaven.

No shiat. My idea of "outer darkness" (Mormon-speak for hell) is spending eternity as Wife #43 of a so-called priesthood holder, bearing his spirit-children to populate his personal planet that revolves around the star Kolob.

/sooner take the real eternal darkness anyday

You sound like you need a hug.

technicolor-misfit: tinfoil-hat maggie - technicolor-misfit: Religion - cult, compound - house... one thing about which there can be no doubt, he's got a biatchin' ass logo!

That's like a pimp chalice for the Lord!


Is that for real? If so someone has some huge cojones ego


Indeed it is...

http://alamoministries.com (new window)

Oh wow, I'm scared now. He's trying to spread his douchbaggery to multiple countries.
/Truth be told anyone convicted of what this guy is accused of should never see daylight/or children again.

tinfoil-hat maggie: Ringshadow: Livingroom:

Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

If God is angered by our petty arguments about a man in trouble with the law, then he is not truly a god.

/unknown is unknowable
//been reading about taoism

Toasism is a good start. I myself love Heinlein's "Job: A Comedy of Justice"

Hm... I'm gonna have to keep this one a though-crime... paper-cuts just aren't my thing, but yeah. Heinlein's nailed it often.

Steve_Hartgen: hairywoogit: Really... call him what he really is... a pedophile.

As I recall, many if not most females have reach sexual maturity about age 14. Once a person reaches sexual maturity, they are biologically an adult. He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

Two million years of evolution can't be wrong.

Isn't that exactly what a pedophile would say? Do you handle P.R. for NAMBLA, too? Or do you not believe in equal opportunity?

Retort: Steve_Hartgen: hairywoogit: Really... call him what he really is... a pedophile.

As I recall, many if not most females have reach sexual maturity about age 14. Once a person reaches sexual maturity, they are biologically an adult. He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

Two million years of evolution can't be wrong.

Unfortunately for your post, sex with someone younger than the age of consent is pedophilia. Admittedly the age of consent is best set around 16 with situations like a couple of 14 year olds getting caught having sex better dealt with quietly than criminally.

The laws governing underage sex recognise that a large age gap usually indicates manipulation on the part of the older party. Prior to becoming an adult it's very hard for most kids to say no, or even understand to say no to someone older regardless of what they want. Pedophiles generally recognise that if they ask a kid for sex they're probably going to get it. That makes it like not asking at all but simply taking. That's why sex with someone under the age of consent is statutory rape.

First off all... I had sex when I was 14 with an older person. Never felt bad about it. Never regretted it. There were laws against it, but so what. Just another victimless crime.

I do drugs. It's illegal, but it's not immoral. Something can be both right and illegal. Like porking a 14 year old. I can get away with buying and consuming narcotics. I'd totally bone a 14yo if I could get away with it (consensual of course - rape ain't my bag). Teenagers want to fark. Some want to fark other 14yo adults. Some want to fark 40+yo adults. Parents need to treat their teens like adults instead of babies, and let them get out in the world and grow up.

Tony Baloney: Steve_Hartgen: hairywoogit: Really... call him what he really is... a pedophile.

As I recall, many if not most females have reach sexual maturity about age 14. Once a person reaches sexual maturity, they are biologically an adult. He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

Two million years of evolution can't be wrong.

Isn't that exactly what a pedophile would say? Do you handle P.R. for NAMBLA, too? Or do you not believe in equal opportunity?

The guys in NAMBLA are warped, even for pederasts.

I'll stick to the pubescing ladies, thank you very much.

Kumana Wanalaia: Livingroom: Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

There is no god. Like it or lump it.

Feel free to GTFO, because no one else is going to.

That's the way it is, kiddo.

Well, yeah, but what if there WAS? Wouldn't you feel like a big dummy then? Huh?

/must go, have to sacrifice a couple of tourists to Kali on the Cajon Pass.

I guess someone doesn't like Idaho Rep. Steve Hartgen's proposal that users be forced to use their real names online....

Did I get the right Tony?

technicolor-misfit: I guess someone doesn't like Idaho Rep. Steve Hartgen's proposal that users be forced to use their real names online....

Thanks for helping me catch that joke I can be slow sometimes.

Silliness. The definition of "polygamy" either fits what the man is accused of doing or it doesnt. If it does then there should be no limitation on using the word.

"Cult" is, I suppose, a bit biased. In common use it basically means anybody else's religion. However, I would argue that all religions are cults. The word "cult" should either a) be used to describe every religion, every time a religion is discussed in court, or b) should not be used in court at all.

"Compound" is a bit vague but I would argue for its continued use in court cases only if a specific legal definition was created. For example, is a compound 1 building, 5?, 10? Must it have a fence, etc.. Define it specifically for legal cases, then apply it when appropriate.

hairywoogit: CNN was doing a 24 hour reel on how evil polygamy was, and how awful its members were, despite the fact that most of the folks they interviewed were just fine with the system, and not really bad neighbors to boot. They had to SEARCH for the baddies. Frankly, there are baddies in every religious stripe, simply because people suck. That doesn't mean the religion or belief system inherently sucks, only that the people who practice it do.

The victims (pedophilia aside) are the young men they cast out in order to keep whatever male:female ratio they maintain.

There was a whole documentary about them on CBC up here a while back. This one group basically used the young men as labour on their farms and logging operations then cast them out when they turned 18 or 20, but kept all of the young women obviously. They wander out into the world with very twisted views and little education to get by on. They spent their entire youths working the land and had only basic reading and writing skills.

wow.

I was going to get the popcorn for this thread but perhaps I'll get some anti-crazy innoculations instead.

The defense of this so called "man of god" is just a little too knee-jerk to me. The same as it was in the church I attended as a teenager when they refused to believe any evidence against a youth group helper who led on and dated a couple of the youth girls in secret.

/I saw through the bullshiat before it did me too much harm.

UnspokenVoice: Kumana Wanalaia: Livingroom: Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

There is no god. Like it or lump it.

Feel free to GTFO, because no one else is going to.

That's the way it is, kiddo.

Prove it.

Make me.

Zamboro: UnspokenVoice: "Prove it."

Science doesn't work that way. You cannot prove a negative, you can only supplant one theory/hypothesis with one which is better supported by the evidence and which offers superior predictive power.

Can you prove Santa Claus doesn't exist? Of course not. Yet I would hope we can agree that it's quite reasonable to lack belief in him. Why is that? How do you justify not believing in Santa when you cannot prove he doesn't exist?

Oh I just figured I'd toss it out there for amusement purposes. This is fark, if you say it is daylight outside someone will come along and say that they need a citation.

By the way, it is dark outside.

Kumana Wanalaia: UnspokenVoice: Kumana Wanalaia: Livingroom: Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

There is no god. Like it or lump it.

Feel free to GTFO, because no one else is going to.

That's the way it is, kiddo.

Prove it.

Make me.

No, you are.