lizardcowgal: Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

I think you're a troll, I really really really do hope you're a troll.

Poe's Law.

Until he's found guilty of having sex with underage girls they could at best call him an alleged pedophile. Until he is found guilty of polygamy, they could at best call him an alleged polygamist. The term "compound" (if being used) is only being used to sway the jury. They always call it a "compound" when they're trying to paint the people who live there as bad people. Technically it only means, "an enclosure of residences and other building". So unless they're living in a fenced/walled neighborhood, it isn't a "compound". "Cult" is definitely a loaded term... there's simply no way around that. "Cult" is what religious people call other religious people when they disagree with their practices or what they think are their practices.

Of course technically "cult" means:

1. followers of an exclusive system of religious beliefs and practices
2. followers of an unorthodox, extremist, or false religion or sect who often live outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader
3. a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false; "it was a satanic cult"

Of course in my opinion, nearly every single religious group out there fits #3.

Theaetetus:
Yeah, but my point is that "pedophile" is (a) not a crime, (b) a loaded word sure to get a conviction no matter what he's charged with, from buggering kids all the way to shooting JFK, and (c) irrelevant, because non-pedophiles can bugger kids, too.

Call him "a person who had sex with underage girls". There's really no reason to use words that are inflammatory. We can't convict him merely for being a pedophile, and if there's no actual evidence, he shouldn't be convicted.

Agreed. As I said, he is being used as a whipping boy, and it does our justice system no good.

TEXARKANA, Ark. - ... Tony Alamo (uh-LAH'-moh)

Notice the pronunciation guide. That's Texarkana, Arkansas. What a shiathole.

Phil McKraken: Notice the pronunciation guide. That's Texarkana, Arkansas. What a shiathole.

The only redeeming thing in that whole area is Hot Springs... and that place is only mildly redeeming. Otherwise, Arkadelphia, Texarkana, Little Rock... all shiatholes. I guess they did have a few pretty mountain roads but that's it.

I'd never heard of this guy, so of course I had to google him...



Thats from a leaflet his ministry produced. Not farking kidding.

Oznog: It's not a Compound (slightly NFSW images flashed in there)

It's a ranch, and it's our home.

Wrong group.

eqtworld: I wish I had a compound and multiple 14 year old girls to f*ck

:(

/that guy was big pimpin for real



Church sign?

NutWrench: 1) This guy is a sleazebag.

2) It's amazing how quickly your home becomes a "compound" once you defy the government, isn't it?

I thought it only became a compound after you had stockpiled X amount of guns.

(of course, X is a variable who's value depends on how much you pi$$ off some government lackey)

Is "compound" really that loaded of a word? Is "camp" a loaded word? Or "place with buildings in it"?

/Double plus good marriage religion place.

Livingroom: Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

Well, then, all I can say is he seems sleazy as all get out to me.

cowgirl toffee: webpages.charter.net

Church sign?

Heh, wrong group too. The Family/Children of God is the cult that practices hooking for jesus.

I say fry the bastard and let god sort 'em out... If he performed sexual acts with children, well, he'll burn, if not, free pass to the pearly gates. Problem solved, NEXT QUESTION!

A terrific read: Tim Cahill's "A Wolverine is Eating My Leg". He infiltrated the Tony Alamo compound and lived among them for awhile as one of the 'converts' just to see what the heck was going on in there. It was awful, naturally. But the article he wrote about it was hysterical.
Actually, the whole book is terrific.

By the time your defense lawyer starts making motions to block such words, most people can already hear the cat being raped in the bag.

People are crazy.

/got nothin'

prjindigo: By the time your defense lawyer starts making motions to block such words, most people can already hear the cat being raped in the bag.

It's not like the jury will hear the objections. This is just part of the game. They are preparing for war.

"On the hottest, sweatiest, smelliest days, they would still force this children to play Monopoly, gamy as they were. Calling them on the intercom, pounding on their doors, because it was central to their culture."

Phil McKraken: TEXARKANA, Ark. - ... Tony Alamo (uh-LAH'-moh)

Notice the pronunciation guide. That's Texarkana, Arkansas. What a shiathole.

It's pronounced "Oz-WEE-pay"!

Is wording really all that important?? If the defense has to dance around buzz words, how great can their defense be? Prosecuter-"We have a video of the defendant having sex with these minors" Defense- "We object your honor, he's merely healing these girls"..... lol

Considering what a brain-dead bunch of losers the average jury is, this is a very effective strategy.

ninjakirby: cowgirl toffee: webpages.charter.net

Church sign?

Heh, wrong group too. The Family/Children of God is the cult that practices hooking for jesus.

How about this one?



If you squint your eyes and focus on the background, the woman looks like she could have been 14 at one time in her life.

Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

By golly, this is either 100% genuine or it's truly one of the best trolls I've ever seen on fark. Either way, nice work.

Can't forget those jackets.

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Ringshadow: Livingroom:

Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

If God is angered by our petty arguments about a man in trouble with the law, then he is not truly a god.

/unknown is unknowable
//been reading about taoism

Toasism is a good start. I myself love Heinlein's "Job: A Comedy of Justice"

Ncgreasemonkey: I say fry the bastard and let god sort 'em out

I'm going to assume you believe in gods and pearly gates and such for a moment...

By calling for the man's death without proof of his wrongdoing and saying, "let god sort 'em out", I can only assume you meant you want god to sort you out. Meaning that you're willing to place your spot in heaven on the line to see this guy killed. See... if you're right and he's a bad guy, you get through the pearly gates (assuming you pass all their other tests). If you're wrong and the guy is innocent in god's eyes... then you burn in hell for calling for an innocent man's death.

Now... I'm not a god worshiper... but if I was, I wouldn't take that bet. Not for that guy.

I fail to see why this is a problem. Terms like this could influence the jury. If the prosecution can't prove a beyond a reasonable doubt that this asshole did what he did then they have no place being part of the DA's office.

Ncgreasemonkey: Is wording really all that important?? If the defense has to dance around buzz words, how great can their defense be? Prosecuter-"We have a video of the defendant having sex with these minors" Defense- "We object your honor, he's merely healing these girls"..... lol

It's about telling a story. Can you come up with a good story that explains the actions in a good light, a story you would like others to believe? Would that story contain words like cult and compound? Probably not.

If you were on the prosecution's end you would want to demonize the defendant as much as possible. You'd call him the devil incarnate if you could.

Every little bit counts when trying to tell your story to the jury, including the language you use.

It does not imply if the defense will be more or less likely to win their case, only that the defense is doing their job.

Claudia Chafer: including the language you use.

Language is literally the sword of the prosecutor. It is the only real weapon they wield. Even evidence only supports their choice of language.

Livingroom: Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.

There is no god. Like it or lump it.

Feel free to GTFO, because no one else is going to.

That's the way it is, kiddo.

craxyd: Livingroom: lizardcowgal: Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

I think you're a troll, I really really really do hope you're a troll.

Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.


Um, isn't for a jury to decide whether he's guilty or innocent?

No, a jury decides if he is found guilty or not guilty. A subtle but important difference.

Ringshadow:

/unknown is unknowable
//been reading about taoism

Forgot to mention the Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao;)

JohnnyC: Claudia Chafer: including the language you use.

Language is literally the sword of the prosecutor. It is the only real weapon they wield. Even evidence only supports their choice of language.

I don't know. I have watched a closing argument where the prosecution held up the white blouse of the victim. I could only tell it was white from one patch that wasn't a dark rust color from all the oxidized blood of the murder.

Holding that shirt up roasted the 17 year old on trial.

Language is very important I agree, but I don't think it is the only weapon.

eqtworld: I wish I had a compound and multiple 14 year old girls to f*ck

:(

/that guy was big pimpin for real

Agreed. That is the sort of lifestyle God wants for the righteous.

hairywoogit: Oznog, did you ever watch the original interview? It actually made me very angry with the interviewer. Admittedly, the women being interviewed creeped me out something awful, but freedom of religion also has to cover the creepy folks, as long as they don't break specific laws.

Oh, and entirely my fault, Livingroom. I crossed wires in my head, and thought he was Warren Jeffs for some reason. Isn't Tony Alamo one of the basic Christian nutballs, as opposed to the Mormon variety?

Yeah I saw the original interview.

I thought she asked some needed questions. The women appear deluded and forced, she was hoping to find a crack to pry open.

The women were not accused of anything, she was trying to get inside them for their own good.

I would not have been outraged if the interviewer reached over there, grabbed one by the shoulders, and gave her a good hard shake while screaming "WTF WERE YOU THINKING??" But, sadly, it was a tele-interview from a remote site. That can't happen.

Claudia Chafer: Language is very important I agree, but I don't think it is the only weapon.

The way I see it, that shirt only condemns the boy because of the context of the language it is presented with. After all, if it wasn't explained how the boy committed the murder and if it didn't also present other evidence saying the white blouse they held up was so discolored because of the actions of the boy... then it would mean nothing at all. It would simply be an old bloody blouse. Language is the key. Without it, the rest is meaningless because it wouldn't have any context.

jst3p: craxyd: Livingroom: lizardcowgal: Livingroom: these are all bullshiat made up lies by excommunicated members. of course you'll say i'm one of them and all that other ad nauseum crap you farkers on this site like to come up with, but they are lies. there was no polygamy. there was no underage marriage. there was no "COMPOUND" the f*cking place doesnt have any fences or guard towers. wake up you farkwit retards and do some research before you just decide on this- because where you spend eternity will depend on it

I think you're a troll, I really really really do hope you're a troll.

Not a troll. That's the way it is, boys an girls. Like it or leave it this man is innocent and when you call him names it makes God angry at you.


Um, isn't for a jury to decide whether he's guilty or innocent?

No, a jury decides if he is found guilty or not guilty. A subtle but important difference.


You're right, my mistake in choosing the wrong wording. Guilty or not guilty

Oznog: The women were not accused of anything, she was trying to get inside them for their own good.

OMG!! *FAP*

haha... seriously though. Why are women not charged for polygamy. Isn't it just as wrong to marry a guy who has another wife as it is for the guy? Or maybe they are charged (I honestly have no idea if they are, I've just never heard of that happening).

hairywoogit: Really... call him what he really is... a pedophile.

As I recall, many if not most females have reach sexual maturity about age 14. Once a person reaches sexual maturity, they are biologically an adult. He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

Two million years of evolution can't be wrong.

JohnnyC: Claudia Chafer: Language is very important I agree, but I don't think it is the only weapon.

The way I see it, that shirt only condemns the boy because of the context of the language it is presented with. After all, if it wasn't explained how the boy committed the murder and if it didn't also present other evidence saying the white blouse they held up was so discolored because of the actions of the boy... then it would mean nothing at all. It would simply be an old bloody blouse. Language is the key. Without it, the rest is meaningless because it wouldn't have any context.

I agree with you. I think language is also key but it has to accompany other pieces of evidence or it is just a good story, hence it isn't the only tool.

Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

I hear she looks ten and a half though.

ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

Did he bang that one?

tinfoil-hat maggie: To be fair "polygamy," "cult" and "compound" are loaded words. Couldn't one use"open marriage", "alternative religion", and "sacred ground"?

They do engage in polygamy, that word is fine. I do agree the other two are biased and shouldn't be used.

Theaetetus: If the state can't convict him without using prejudicial words, then he deserves to go free.
If they're trying to prove multiple counts of statutory rape, then that it occurred in a compound, camp, housing project, ranch, or anything else is irrelevant. Same thing with cult. And as for polygamy, unless they're charging him with bigamy, then that's irrelevant, too.

Exactly. It should be about the facts, not about using ugly words.

Oznog: It's not a Compound (slightly NFSW images flashed in there)

It's a ranch, and it's our home.

/the original interview was pretty creepy to begin with

That video was creepy but I just couldn't turn away!

ninjakirby: I'd never heard of this guy, so of course I had to google him...



Thats from a leaflet his ministry produced. Not farking kidding.

Oznog: It's not a Compound (slightly NFSW images flashed in there)

It's a ranch, and it's our home.

Wrong group.

The scary thing is that those sunglasses are back in style. We are currently reliving the 1980s.

Albeit with much shiattier music.

Steve_Hartgen: ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

Did he bang that one?

"'Juvenile #1' told me that on May 17, 2000, when she was only about nine years old, she and Alamo exchanged wedding vows," according to a search warrant affidavit (pdf)

The document describes inappropriate touching of "juvenile #1" in Fouke, Ark., by Alamo that began when she was only 8. After their "wedding" when she was 9, Alamo allegedly engaged in conduct with the girl that would constitute rape under Arkansas law."

Loren: I do agree the other two are biased and shouldn't be used.

Compound might be biased, but what Tony Alamo was running was most certainly a cult, and should be called one.

Steve_Hartgen: ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

Did he bang that one?

lol - i see what you are doing. Do you live in Hartgen's district?

ninjakirby: Loren: I do agree the other two are biased and shouldn't be used.

Compound might be biased, but what Tony Alamo was running was most certainly a cult, and should be called one.

It doesn't sound like he was running a cult it sounds like it was his personal sex farm. Raise 'em young train 'em young. A cult is where your sneakers and jumpsuits match when you off yourself with the kool-aid.

ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: ninjakirby: Steve_Hartgen: He had sex with young women. That's not called pedophilia. It's called acting naturally.

One of his 'wives' is alleged to be 9 years old.

Did he bang that one?

"'Juvenile #1' told me that on May 17, 2000, when she was only about nine years old, she and Alamo exchanged wedding vows," according to a search warrant affidavit (pdf)

The document describes inappropriate touching of "juvenile #1" in Fouke, Ark., by Alamo that began when she was only 8. After their "wedding" when she was 9, Alamo allegedly engaged in conduct with the girl that would constitute rape under Arkansas law."

Well Duh she was not his sister, I she would have been Then the sex would have been OK.