busy chillin': Thunderpipes
busy chillin': Thunderpipes
And Farkers will scream for freedoms, yet say it is illegal for car companies to make vehicles that use too much gas or pollute too much? Weird.

Triangles have 3 sides but squirrels are mammals.

Either you are for personal freedom or you are not. You are either for governmental control or you are not.

Right. People are simple. And everything is black and white. Sh*t...I guess you may have a point....


No, they don't.

People have freedoms and inalienable rights.

Corporations do not.

/good threadjack, dude!

Scoop84: BIE

You know, the conversation hasn't gone that way yet. I'd feel a little awkward doing it cold.

/Though they would look better cold
//Besides I invited him to a Jets game when he gets back and that would be awkward meeting him
///(Insert joke about how watching the Jets play is torture)

TheGreatZarquon: Sgt Otter: TheGreatZarquon: Sgt Otter: So they'll just start buying more of the shiatty Iraqi cigarettes, like packs of Miamis or Aspens. Which probably use fiberglass filler or God knows what else.

/$1 a pack at the Daura Market.

This too. I'm positive that, all things considered, an American cigarette is a hell of a lot safer than local smokes, so letting them buy a pack of Marlboros at a PX is going to be a lot better for them than buying a pack of local smokes that probably use camel shiat as a filler ingredient. Besides, look at this guy:

That right there is a guy who EARNED his goddamn cigarette.



"Up for three days and powered by nicotine and Saudi Arabian Mountain Dew" Donut approves.

Saudi Arabian Mountain Dew? I had no idea that even existed, how does it compare to American Mountain Dew?

haji soda is okay, except the Diet versions - omfg, disgusting and tasteless. i'm a dr pepper fan to the death but i switched to pepsi in Iraq because it was the closest tasting to the english-labeled kind.
oh, and just because it has Arabic, doesn't mean it's from the country of Saudi Arabia.

ArgusRun: Sgt Otter: So they'll just start buying more of the shiatty Iraqi cigarettes, like packs of Miamis or Aspens. Which probably use fiberglass filler or God knows what else.

/$1 a pack at the Daura Market.

One of the guys I send packages to begged for Marlboro smooth. I sent him a carton a few weeks ago. He was so happy, I thought he was going to jump through my computer screen and hug me.

/Marlboro smooth and Zebra cakes. You soldiers are easy to please!

Too true. A friend of mine had a brother in Iraq(infantry). All he wanted was a disposable camera, copenhagen, phone card, and silly string. I just wanted to cry.

Merkin Muffley: Oh also, JOINING THE MILITARY WAS A CHOICE.

And that is why this will not go through in the near future. Because the more dumb rules like this they make, the fewer choices to enlist potential recruits will make. The recruiters will be the loudes oppostion to this.

Merkin Muffley: Merkin Muffley: FTAC:
Any employer that is providing a employee with any portion of health insurance should have the right to ban it, or the right not to offer health insurance to these employees.

Smoking ruins lives, runs up the cost of health care and is a very invasive habit. There is not one benefit to it. It is defnitely a choice, and why should others pay for someone else's choice?


Hey guys, lets totally go party with this cool dude!


This twatwaffle is worried about health insurance costs for active duty soldiers that smoke, while some of these people require million dollar physical therapy for life after they have a few limbs blown off. I need a smoke, oh shi--


Oh also, JOINING THE MILITARY WAS A CHOICE.

Do I have any choice about obeying smoking bans if I am a civilian? Did I volunteer for that, too? No? Then shut the fark up about choices, because your zealousness leaves me no choice under any circumstances.

Yeah good luck with that.

I smoke because of the military - I was stuck on a ship, it was the only sanity I could get - it was that, or assault on a sr. officer.

The more I think about it, the angrier I get. You're in the line of fire, IED's could go off around any turn, and they're worried about the damage tobacco could do. How about lung damage from sucking in water while shoring up a hatch in a flooded room? Or smoke inhalation for that Lt on the canadian sub - not smoking tobacco really helped that poor farker live a long life.

How about this - a ban on getting blown up by 'insurgents'.

/permission to die, Sgt?

Sgt Otter: So they'll just start buying more of the shiatty Iraqi cigarettes, like packs of Miamis or Aspens. Which probably use fiberglass filler or God knows what else.

/$1 a pack at the Daura Market.

I like the India Kings myself. $1.50 American a pack.

ArgusRun: You know, the conversation hasn't gone that way yet. I'd feel a little awkward doing it cold.

He has not seen an attractive woman in months. That 3 toothed chick who sort of looks like an extra from the rocky horror picture show at the chow hall is looking mighty fine to him right now. You send him pictures of boobies and he will appreciate them.

/knows these things

Lumi
busy chillin': Thunderpipes
busy chillin': Thunderpipes
And Farkers will scream for freedoms, yet say it is illegal for car companies to make vehicles that use too much gas or pollute too much? Weird.

Triangles have 3 sides but squirrels are mammals.

Either you are for personal freedom or you are not. You are either for governmental control or you are not.

Right. People are simple. And everything is black and white. Sh*t...I guess you may have a point....


No, they don't.

People have freedoms and inalienable rights.

Corporations do not.

/good threadjack, dude!


Hmmmmmm....thanks? But I have a feeling you meant to reply to Thunderpipes. Maybe?

/confused

ArgusRun: Scoop84: BIE

You know, the conversation hasn't gone that way yet. I'd feel a little awkward doing it cold.

/Though they would look better cold
//Besides I invited him to a Jets game when he gets back and that would be awkward meeting him
///(Insert joke about how watching the Jets play is torture)

It's so nice of you to send packages, I won't even solicit BIE for myself. Enjoy the Jets game (if that's possible) and send him BIE after, if things go that direction

andygump: Yeah good luck with that.

I smoke because of the military - I was stuck on a ship, it was the only sanity I could get - it was that, or assault on a sr. officer.

The more I think about it, the angrier I get. You're in the line of fire, IED's could go off around any turn, and they're worried about the damage tobacco could do. How about lung damage from sucking in water while shoring up a hatch in a flooded room? Or smoke inhalation for that Lt on the canadian sub - not smoking tobacco really helped that poor farker live a long life.

How about this - a ban on getting blown up by 'insurgents'.

/permission to die, Sgt?

the air is worse than cigarette smoke over there. we were on a base that used to be the big red X on the map for test firing big exploding US weapons so it smelled like sulfur or something on random mornings, the dust was so bad you could stare at the sun without hurting your eyes and the rain caught so much out of the air it made things DIRTIER when it rained, and when the wind was blowing the right direction we were overpowered by the horrid smell of a third-world brick factory which the infantry had to do patrols at and had them bringing back stories of an iraqi family who lived next to the factory and their children's hair was falling out because of it. so really cigarette smoke was healthy in-as-much as it kept as much contaminated air from getting into your lungs.

wage0048: Because one of the essential duties of a person in the military is to be able to respond quickly and efficiently to an emergency situation. It's kind of hard to do that when you're wheezing every time you lift your backpack.

fairly certain soldiers were allowed to smoke in WWII, and we did alright...

Crocodilly_Pontifex: fairly certain soldiers were allowed to smoke in WWII, and we did alright...

Only becaus we "murdered" all those civilians.
/sarcasm.

Cigarettes make you murder civilians

Let them have it, expand programs to help veterans quit when they come back stateside. Let them have it when it most helps them, and give them a hand if they want to quit.

Scoop84: I hope you send him a little BIE, too.
/they deserve it.

a girl i went to highschool with sent her hubby some pretty graphic pics while he was in Fallujiah. one of the weekends he got to talk to her she said " did you show them to your buddies?" and he said no, then she said " Why the hell not?!?"

she sent more, with doubles.

he was the most popular guy in marine arty for a while.

/he smokes
//also had a buddy get turned to pudding 3 feet from him by the pressure wave of an IED.
///my friend was around the corner of a tank.

Gurlugon
Let them have it, expand programs to help veterans quit when they come back stateside. Let them have it when it most helps them, and give them a hand if they want to quit.

Hahahahahaha, a rational...ahahahahaha...well thought out....hahahahahaha...post on Fark...hahahahaha...good stuff. * faints *

; )

Scoop84: Cigarettes make you murder civilians

I know I can't get up in the morning without finding some homeless guy, a prostitute, you know, the dregs of humanity, and killing them.

/they make great ashtrays.
//kidding of course.

wage0048: I Said: ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?

Because one of the essential duties of a person in the military is to be able to respond quickly and efficiently to an emergency situation. It's kind of hard to do that when you're wheezing every time you lift your backpack.

there are so many uninformed and stereotypical statements in this thread, i'm getting a kick out of it. i've seen soldiers run WHILE smoking, do dismounted patrols while smoking, smoke cigarettes before PT tests to HELP them run, and on and on. after our PT run this morning the smokers all stood watching a non-smoker gasping and retching, simply because he was out of shape.
my 70 year old uncle just died after smoking since he was a kid........ he died from arteriosclerosis (from eating too much good fatty southern food) but the x-rays showed his lungs to be as healthy as a non-smoker after SIXTY years of smoking. not every person who lights up gags and hacks and wheezes. geez, try to think with your own mind now and then.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Do I have any choice about obeying smoking bans if I am a civilian? Did I volunteer for that, too? No? Then shut the fark up about choices, because your zealousness leaves me no choice under any circumstances.

You know what? I have always agreed with the sentiment you express. That said, for some reason the guys I ride with object to me using heroin, LSD, alcohol and certain prescription drugs of my preference. No shiat. I am cool with it, so why aren't they?

It honestly pisses me off. I've lived long enough to tell you to get the fark off my lawn too, if the likelihood of survivability inherent in my judgment were to come into question.

For some reason, very few people I complain to about this are sympathetic in the least.

It's a free country, and my choices of substances to use and abuse ought to be mine to make.

Goddamnit.

izen

geez, try to think with your own mind now and then.


Don't tell me what to do!

FTFA: "a federal study that cites rising tobacco use and higher costs for the Pentagon and Department of Veterans Affairs as reasons for the ban"

so there is your preview of Obama-care...ban anything that will raise health care costs...

no cigs
forget about pot legalized
no fattening foods
no alcohol

mediablitz: When I was in the military, the told me what to wear, how to cut my hair, where I had to sleep, where I had to be, when to wear a hat, what I had to eat, etc. etc.

They hate freedom!

Yeah, smoking is SUCH a freedom issue for the liberty minded rules of the military

No one in this thread is denying that the military has the ability to ban smoking. The argument is over whether it is a sound policy. I know you get to feel intelligent and enlightened for being contrarian with everyone else in the thread, but refuting an argument that no one is actually making just makes you look like a dipshiat.

I think they need to practice what they preach before they go around making up silly bans!

It's a few years old but still pisses me off.

Congress exemps themselves from smoking ban (new window)

odisae: ArgusRun: Sgt Otter: So they'll just start buying more of the shiatty Iraqi cigarettes, like packs of Miamis or Aspens. Which probably use fiberglass filler or God knows what else.

/$1 a pack at the Daura Market.

One of the guys I send packages to begged for Marlboro smooth. I sent him a carton a few weeks ago. He was so happy, I thought he was going to jump through my computer screen and hug me.

/Marlboro smooth and Zebra cakes. You soldiers are easy to please!

Too true. A friend of mine had a brother in Iraq(infantry). All he wanted was a disposable camera, copenhagen, phone card, and silly string. I just wanted to cry.

I love it. I know what the silly string is actually for (rests on trip wires without setting them off to detect them), but I still think it's hilarious to imagine all of them in a big silly string fight.

/Miss silly string
//Miss my GI friend more. Smoked for 10 years and caught an IED in Iraq. Let em smoke

busy chillin': izen

geez, try to think with your own mind now and then.


Don't tell me what to do!

see, how hard was that?

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: TheGreatZarquon:
Saudi Arabian Mountain Dew? I had no idea that even existed, how does it compare to American Mountain Dew?

I don't like it, I think it tastes like a bag of wet sugar. I'm in the underwhelming minority though. Lots of my squids love the stuff.

Bio-nic: We aren't going to be smoke free in 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 or 500 years you morans. People smoke. Get over it. It's their choice and their life to ruin or rule over.

Until the Masters and Owners decide it's unprofitable for them to allow you to run your own life and make your own decisions. You might make a bad one that costs them money or cuts productivity...never mind, already happening in some places.

/it sucks, man

wage0048: I Said: ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?

Because one of the essential duties of a person in the military is to be able to respond quickly and efficiently to an emergency situation. It's kind of hard to do that when you're wheezing every time you lift your backpack.

Yeah, whatever. I smoked at bars when I was stateside, like a chimney in Afgahnistan and Iraq, but quit while I was in college. Lighting up a cigarette was one hell of a stress reliever sometimes. As for the PT thing, most guys in the infantry are in better shape than probably 90% of the population, and probably 50-60% smoke regularly. I knew one little guy in my platoon, he could run a 16 minute 30 second 3 mile PFT, and he would keep a couple of cigarettes and a lighter in his sock, so he could light up at the half way point.

As for the rest of it, when the Commander-In-Chief can prove that he isn't smoking anymore, MAYBE his Defense Department will have the moral authority to tell the troops not to smoke. Until then, they can fark off and die.

Urmuf Hamer: It's a free country, and my choices of substances to use and abuse ought to be mine to make.

Goddamnit.

i know you're trolling, but your troll is actually right.

If someone wants to shoot up heroin in their living room, the gov't really doesn't have a right to tell them that they cant.

My friend brought me back a pack he took of a Republican Guard he, as he says, "schwacked". The smokes sucked but it was nice of him to think of me.
USA!

Yes Sound: Merkin Muffley: Oh also, JOINING THE MILITARY WAS A CHOICE.

And that is why this will not go through in the near future. Because the more dumb rules like this they make, the fewer choices to enlist potential recruits will make. The recruiters will be the loudes oppostion to this.

I hope so, we treat these vets bad enough, why make life more miserable for them?

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Do I have any choice about obeying smoking bans if I am a civilian? Did I volunteer for that, too? No? Then shut the fark up about choices, because your zealousness leaves me no choice under any circumstances.

Sorry, tired, that was directed at the zealous bastard in the articles comments not me right? I'm certainly against that opinion I first quoted, let 'em smoke.

If we can't keep them from dying from IEDs, might as well keep them from dying from cancer.

izen: i've seen soldiers run WHILE smoking,

Bahaha! Been there, done that! We got a new C.O. who would give a bunch us a hard time (in joking manner)for smoking all of the time. Well when the PFT came up, about five of us smoked the enitre 3-mile course and crossed the line together at 23 min's. The C.O. was taking down the times when we crossed when we finished. The look on his face was AWESOME!

I just thought of something that would save the VA a whole hell of a lot of medical bills. We should just sterilize everyone when they join the military. It's so simple, and no more paying for those expensive dependents...

gulogulo: Thunderpipes: busy chillin': Thunderpipes
And Farkers will scream for freedoms, yet say it is illegal for car companies to make vehicles that use too much gas or pollute too much? Weird.


Triangles have 3 sides but squirrels are mammals.

Either you are for personal freedom or you are not. You are either for governmental control or you are not.

Gotta be a troll. That's too stupid a statement not to be.

No, being stupid is typical for this poster.

Sorry, tired, that was directed at the zealous bastard in the articles comments not me right? I'm certainly against that opinion I first quoted, let 'em smoke.

Sorry, following Fark threads isn't too easy sometimes when the quotes start getting thick and you're pissed off. I'm angry at the anti-smoking zealots that I'm going to have to carry for the rest of my life under ObamaCare for every one of their little problems but they decry me, a smoker who will (according to them) almost certainly die young and thus reduce their burden by one, saving 40 years of payouts.

mr lawson: izen: i've seen soldiers run WHILE smoking,

Bahaha! Been there, done that! We got a new C.O. who would give a bunch us a hard time (in joking manner)for smoking all of the time. Well when the PFT came up, about five of us smoked the enitre 3-mile course and crossed the line together at 23 min's. The C.O. was taking down the times when we crossed when we finished. The look on his face was AWESOME!

i keep seeing the term PFT followed by words like "3 mile" and "23 mins" so i'm gonna assume we're talking about the marines. oh so glad i joined the army!

Wow, what a stupid idea.

izen: mr lawson: izen: i've seen soldiers run WHILE smoking,

Bahaha! Been there, done that! We got a new C.O. who would give a bunch us a hard time (in joking manner)for smoking all of the time. Well when the PFT came up, about five of us smoked the enitre 3-mile course and crossed the line together at 23 min's. The C.O. was taking down the times when we crossed when we finished. The look on his face was AWESOME!

i keep seeing the term PFT followed by words like "3 mile" and "23 mins" so i'm gonna assume we're talking about the marines. oh so glad i joined the army!

Ha-ha! (new window)

I haven't joined anything.

mr lawson: Bahaha! Been there, done that! We got a new C.O. who would give a bunch us a hard time (in joking manner)for smoking all of the time. Well when the PFT came up, about five of us smoked the enitre 3-mile course and crossed the line together at 23 min's. The C.O. was taking down the times when we crossed when we finished. The look on his face was AWESOME!

Yea, except 23 min is not a good enough time to let you trash talk.
I remember in engineer school one of my gunnys PT'd the platoon yelling cadence, and broke most of us off, while smoking. But the exception does not disprove the rule. I know plenty of 18 year olds that run under 20min, but everyone above the rank of sgt that can run an 18min is a non-smoker.

Crocodilly_Pontifex: Urmuf Hamer: It's a free country, and my choices of substances to use and abuse ought to be mine to make.

Goddamnit.

i know you're trolling, but your troll is actually right.

If someone wants to shoot up heroin in their living room, the gov't really doesn't have a right to tell them that they cant.

except of course if your health insurance is provided under Obama-care.

I'm with the "let 'em smoke" sentiment, but if the government is going to have to cover the cost of healthcare for these guys, it seems a bit stupid for them to also pay to ship in cigs.

Tobacco use costs the Pentagon $846 million a year in medical care and lost productivity, says the report, which used older data. The Department of Veterans Affairs spends up to $6 billion in treatments for tobacco-related illnesses, says the study, which was released late last month.

You can smoke all you want... as long as you foot the bill yourself when your blackened, shriveled lungs give out on you.

izen: i keep seeing the term PFT followed by words like "3 mile" and "23 mins" so i'm gonna assume we're talking about the marines.
Yup..
We were trying to cut our run time as close as possible to 24 mins (failure) as we could, but it is DAMN hard to run at any speed and not make a three mile run in under 24 min's. I think we actually walked a few hundrend yards to "pad" the time. lol

wyrlss: Ha-ha! (new window)

That was just awesome! lol

Ya know, it would be a lot safer for everybody if we made guns illegal in the military.
logic is flawless
and the knives and box cutters...

I swear to God I'm going to start smoking again just to piss these farking Puritans off. These guys earned their cigarettes, so you pain in the ass self righteous puritan health Nazis need to go fark yourselves.

If we don't make that point clear in this country, how long will it be before the nanny staters from the left and the Bible thumpers from the right come together and decide once and for all what's good for us and what's not?

Yes Sound: Yea, except 23 min is not a good enough time to let you trash talk.

see my previous post.:-)
/1371 as well

You can smoke all you want... as long as you foot the bill yourself when your blackened, shriveled lungs give out on you.

Remember that when your prostate blows up and you can't piss anymore, or when your kidneys give out on you, of when you sleep with the town whore and get the HIV- it's all on you. Don't turn to me for anything that might have any connection whatsoever with a choice you made.

At the same time they ban tobacco they should get rid of "Don't ask, don't tell", thereby giving the troops an alternate diversion.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Sorry, following Fark threads isn't too easy sometimes when the quotes start getting thick and you're pissed off. I'm angry at the anti-smoking zealots that I'm going to have to carry for the rest of my life under ObamaCare for every one of their little problems but they decry me, a smoker who will (according to them) almost certainly die young and thus reduce their burden by one, saving 40 years of payouts.

No problem, when it gets thick I really have to pay attention too.

At some point you have to become apathetic, otherwise how do you deal with people like that? Just another problem with the government controlling all this stuff, it's reduced even further to an entirely money centric bureaucratic quagmire. Ugh man, you got me thinking about it and I feel dirty.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: prostate blows up

That's one hell of a medical condition..ouch.