ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?

These people are adults. They can operate machine guns, tanks, helicopters, fighter jets, long ramge bombers, ICBMs and nuclear submarines.

They can handle a farking cigarette, OK!?

I Said: ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?

Nope. we live in a puritan, intolerant culture. We put those men and women in a situation where they might have to kill someone, or where they might be killed themselves. But we don't want to let them smoke.

Think about that for a moment. Society is just fine with soldiers out there in danger...but letting them smoke gets people upset. the mind set required for that sort of slobbering idiocy is staggering.

I Said: ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?

I see we're done here.

I say we do it all at once rather than phasing it in, wait four days, then invade Europe. We couldn't lose.

PainInTheASP: I say we do it all at once rather than phasing it in, wait four days, then invade Europe. We couldn't lose.

We'll lose the moment Europeans offer our troops smokes and the whole army defects.

/What a retarded idea
//the idea in the article, not yours PainInTheASP

We're fine with sending them to be shot at, get bombed, stabbed, and run through hell holes of smoke, ash, and fire, and on occasion, act as guinea pigs for some REMF for medical experimentation, but not so great with smoking?

Some folks need some goddamn perspective.

I Said: PainInTheASP: I say we do it all at once rather than phasing it in, wait four days, then invade Europe. We couldn't lose.

We'll lose the moment Europeans offer our troops smokes and the whole army defects.

/What a retarded idea
//the idea in the article, not yours PainInTheASP

I respectfully disagree--my idea is incredibly retarded.

I wish Obama would smoke during press conferences.

So they'll just start buying more of the shiatty Iraqi cigarettes, like packs of Miamis or Aspens. Which probably use fiberglass filler or God knows what else.

/$1 a pack at the Daura Market.

Let them smoke, for crying out loud, they're dealing with inhuman pressure almost every single day and a cigarette is much less likely to kill them immediately than a sudden mortar attack or an IED.

I quit smoking seven years ago, but if I enlisted and was sent to Afghanistan, I guarantee I'd be smoking again in less than a month. Sometimes, you just need a smoke.

Sgt Otter: So they'll just start buying more of the shiatty Iraqi cigarettes, like packs of Miamis or Aspens. Which probably use fiberglass filler or God knows what else.

/$1 a pack at the Daura Market.

This too. I'm positive that, all things considered, an American cigarette is a hell of a lot safer than local smokes, so letting them buy a pack of Marlboros at a PX is going to be a lot better for them than buying a pack of local smokes that probably use camel shiat as a filler ingredient. Besides, look at this guy:



That right there is a guy who EARNED his goddamn cigarette.

TheGreatZarquon: Let them smoke, for crying out loud, they're dealing with inhuman pressure almost every single day and a cigarette is much less likely to kill them immediately than a sudden mortar attack or an IED.

Exactly this.

The study by the Institute of Medicine, requested by the VA and Pentagon, calls for a phased-in ban over a period of years, perhaps up to 20. "We'll certainly be taking that recommendation forward," Smith says.


At the current rate a pack of smokes will cost a thousand bucks in 20 years. Everybody will switch to weed.

TheGreatZarquon: Sgt Otter: So they'll just start buying more of the shiatty Iraqi cigarettes, like packs of Miamis or Aspens. Which probably use fiberglass filler or God knows what else.

/$1 a pack at the Daura Market.

This too. I'm positive that, all things considered, an American cigarette is a hell of a lot safer than local smokes, so letting them buy a pack of Marlboros at a PX is going to be a lot better for them than buying a pack of local smokes that probably use camel shiat as a filler ingredient. Besides, look at this guy:

That right there is a guy who EARNED his goddamn cigarette.



"Up for three days and powered by nicotine and Saudi Arabian Mountain Dew" Donut approves.

TheGreatZarquon: That right there is a guy who EARNED his goddamn cigarette.

No shiat. Cut them some slack.

*sputters*

I have nothing to say about this. Actually, that's inaccurate. I have plenty to say about this, but the asininity of this has left me unable to form an intelligible remark. So I'll just return to my indignant sputtering. It conveys my thoughts equally as well.

*indignant sputtering*

As a philoshoper at work often stated, "Even non-smokers die."

As he took a drag.

So far he has not been proven wrong.

The same people pushing this think all soldiers should be drug tested, but not themselves or any elected officials.
PURE BULLSHIAT!

Sgt Otter: TheGreatZarquon: Sgt Otter: So they'll just start buying more of the shiatty Iraqi cigarettes, like packs of Miamis or Aspens. Which probably use fiberglass filler or God knows what else.

/$1 a pack at the Daura Market.

This too. I'm positive that, all things considered, an American cigarette is a hell of a lot safer than local smokes, so letting them buy a pack of Marlboros at a PX is going to be a lot better for them than buying a pack of local smokes that probably use camel shiat as a filler ingredient. Besides, look at this guy:

That right there is a guy who EARNED his goddamn cigarette.



"Up for three days and powered by nicotine and Saudi Arabian Mountain Dew" Donut approves.

Saudi Arabian Mountain Dew? I had no idea that even existed, how does it compare to American Mountain Dew?

This is a good idea, but as someone who quit for good a month and a half ago, I can assure you that there will be killings.

Sgt Otter: Saudi Arabian Mountain Dew

It as good as the American stuff?

I remember once seeing a story on the Thunderbirds. As they're talking to one of the pilots and he's talking about what good shape they have to be in, another pilot walk across the shot behind him lighting up.

If someone can volunteer to risk their ass, I say we can volunteer to let them have a smoke.

TheGreatZarquon:
Saudi Arabian Mountain Dew? I had no idea that even existed, how does it compare to American Mountain Dew?



It's made with cane sugar and not HFCS, so it's smoother and not as syrupy. It also seems to have a much more potent caffeine kick. But it's not as fizzy. In fact, it seems like it's just about to start going flat. One of the guys who used to work for a grocery store said that he thinks that could be from the very dramatic shift in temperature, as it sits on a cargo pallet in the desert heat waiting to get shipped to the various U.S. bases in Iraq.

Also, the report said, troops worn out by repeated deployments often rely on cigarettes as a "stress reliever."

Let 'em smoke!

Oh wait, I have a better idea -

Bring them home!

Duh.

This idea is stupid, incredibly stupid. I don't like smoking, but I sure as hell won't tell people they can't smoke and in the military especially in those damned dry Moslem countries the soldiers need something to help relax them.

Sgt Otter: , so it's smoother and not as syrupy

Sounds quite tasty. And more of a caffeine kick? Oh yes, definitely want.

DarkLancelot: This idea is stupid, incredibly stupid. I don't like smoking, but I sure as hell won't tell people they can't smoke and in the military especially in those damned dry Moslem countries the soldiers need something to help relax them.

Killing muslims - totally cool.
Smoking afterwards? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL!

hubiestubert: We're fine with sending them to be shot at, get bombed, stabbed, and run through hell holes of smoke, ash, and fire, and on occasion, act as guinea pigs for some REMF for medical experimentation, but not so great with smoking?

Some folks need some goddamn perspective.

Reminds me of the quote: "We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "fark" on their airplanes. Why? Because it's obscene!"

Sgt Otter: It's made with cane sugar and not HFCS, so it's smoother and not as syrupy.

So does the Mt Dew I am drinking right now..

Mt Dew Throwback FTW!!!!!

I Said: ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?

Because one of the essential duties of a person in the military is to be able to respond quickly and efficiently to an emergency situation. It's kind of hard to do that when you're wheezing every time you lift your backpack.

So...they can't have the gay sex or light up? That's retarded.

If im not allowed to smoke, then some soldier being paid with my tax dollars (earned from my cigs) sure as hell cant either.

freedom isent FREE

If they want them to quit, then help them quit AFTER their service. Otherwise:



Leave the cigarettes alone!

I Said: ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

wage0048: Because one of the essential duties of a person in the military is to be able to respond quickly and efficiently to an emergency situation. It's kind of hard to do that when you're wheezing every time you lift your backpack.

Irrelevant. If the person is unfit they are in trouble, regardless of why they are unfit.

Fitness standards /= "you can not smoke"

BlorfMaster: freedom isent FREE

But an education is priceless.

gopher321: hubiestubert: We're fine with sending them to be shot at, get bombed, stabbed, and run through hell holes of smoke, ash, and fire, and on occasion, act as guinea pigs for some REMF for medical experimentation, but not so great with smoking?

Some folks need some goddamn perspective.

Reminds me of the quote: "We train young men to drop fire on people. But their commanders won't allow them to write "fark" on their airplanes. Why? Because it's obscene!"

that was Colonel Kurtz in Apocalypse Now

You know who else discouraged smoking in the military?



/hot

1) Smoking is bad.
2) Its costing the VA lots of money in smoking related costs.
3) The previous two points don't mean fark all when you think about the stress-relief available to persons who smoke who have no other outlet. Why cause additional stress to an already stressful situation. This is bureaucratic bull shiat of the nth degree.

wage0048: I Said: ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?

Because one of the essential duties of a person in the military is to be able to respond quickly and efficiently to an emergency situation. It's kind of hard to do that when you're wheezing every time you lift your backpack.

dude my old room mate in the army smoke about a pack a day and drank a half bottle of vodka. He could still run most people in to the ground smelling of cigarettes and alcohol seeping through pores. Old Pritchette was a beast

Yeah, I'd better go ahead and take your cigs away.


//hot like that Brazilian chick at G8

And we think we're beyound mutiny in this day and age because?

I would so farking mutiny if they made me quit.

Sheeesh. Let em smoke. Gives them some sort of pleasure and relaxing escape.

It is so easy for these politicians to state this sh*t from the safety of Washington. Put this Pentagon Health Official in the middle of Iraq with some guns and IEDs going off and that motherf*cker will choke a b*tch for a grit.

The mind boggles.

I want my Lucky Strikes in my c-rations baby!

About 37% of soldiers use tobacco and 36% of Marines

that's really not that bad. and some of that will probably be chew, because lighting a cig in the dark is a no-no.

sounds like some Colonel is trying to do something "groundbreaking" to get his or her star.

I Said: ummmm . . .

How about, since these men and women get stationed in often god awful places and face the risk of getting killed or captured by others who viciously hate them, and we already regulate alcohol which I'm sure is something many don't like (although for good reason for that substance), we just let them smoke and stop trying to be massive pains in the asses about how others deal with their own health?

A thousand times THIS.

So they have no problem sending me, my four other family members in the military, and my brothers and sisters-in-arms to go and die, but they do have a problem with me doing something that may kill me some 50 years from now?

Fark that noise. I am not a child. I decide, not you farking busybodies. I have to pay for your farking breast cancer, for your farking prostate cancer, for your HIV, herpes, diabetes, etc., you suck it the fark up and let me have my damn cigarettes. If I die young I don't eat any more health benefits unlike you farking health wackos that will make my family pay for your dumb ass until you're 95.

Just shut the fark up and go away. I am so sick and tired of you people.

Reading things like this makes me want to punch people.

...and the fight for freedom continues!

wow... that is farking ridiculous. Good luck with that.