wyrlss: skullkrusher: Partisan hack.

I don't want to go off-topic here, but I went to the link when he posted it, saw few numbers in the section related to what he was asserting, closed the window. It was not useful for the purposes of supporting his argument. Just saying "Well they include these groups" and saying there are "millions" of them doesn't really give helpful information. The best I see is his "18 million" which is about %40 of the uninsured.
When a relevant article pops up later on Fark I look forward to seeing all of you there with facts and data.

I know math is generally frowned upon in Fark comments, but numbers from the article went like this: 47 million uninsured less 10 million illegal immigrants (who would remain uninsured) less 18 million denying coverage less an undetermined amount who haven't filed for Medicaid (I would assume Darth Mewling approximates this to be 8 million people) yielding 10 million people. So I would say the article supports his argument.

/ Shame on GodsTumor for making this a health care debate in the first place
// Why do I keep feeding trolls?

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Me and a friend came up with the idea of buying the black person skin tone fleshlight in the 'mouth' style and attaching a mustache to it. It would be like face-raping Cleveland from The Family Guy.

Seth would approve.

LOL

WUT?

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From your link:

Anonymous said...
I'm siding with Jordan Valdez(the fine piece of ass that hit the old lady). She's smoking hot and should not have to spend the prime of her life in jail because some old lady couldn't live long enough for paramedics to arrive.

4:06 PM, July 10, 2009

/Farkin awesome

Yeah, it looks like Farkers have hit the comment section

I saw that too. The lady was MILF-ish territory. She was only 33. The photo from the website doesn't suggest a woman that's been on the street for 5 years. But everyone is fapping for the chance to bang a 17 year old and get away with it.

skullkrusher: NCg8r: cartersdad: Mephistopheles' Revenge: Apparently farkers aren't the only ones that want blood.

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That blog really makes me want to post a comment to "Taylor" who was a family member of the homeless woman. Apparently she is upset now, but had the family taken care of this woman, she would not have been on the street...and jaywalking.

So who's fault is it really??

I don't think the girl should get in trouble for hitting the jaywalker, but she SHOULD get in trouble for leaving. More so because there was a death involved.

But to blame the family of a victim of an accident??? That's low. If homeless, she was probably mentally ill. If she's mentally ill, she's gonna do whatever the fark she wants until she's killed or put into jail/instiutionalized for her actions. As we know, she was never put into jail (or maybe just not long enough).

but if she's mentally ill and unable to make her own decisions, can't the family force her into treatment? Might be a state by state thing though

They CAN, but they don't have to. I faced that decision and it sucked, but I did what I had to do. Her family didn't (or couldn't... again, we don't know the circumstances). There's every chance she wasn't homeless, but was livin' with Ricky n Robby over at the Shady Pines Trailer Court... got caught stumblin' back from a run to the Li'l Champ with a pack o' `Ports and a bottle of WHACK!!!!!!

/Murano

fanbladesaresharp: I saw that too. The lady was MILF-ish territory. She was only 33. The photo from the website doesn't suggest a woman that's been on the street for 5 years. But everyone is fapping for the chance to bang a 17 year old and get away with it.

Egads.

Mug shot, hair standing on end, obviously drunk, ill fitting clothing and a very very stupid stare is hot to you?

/Must be the ladder theory.

wyrlss: NCg8r: cartersdad: Mephistopheles' Revenge: Apparently farkers aren't the only ones that want blood.

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That blog really makes me want to post a comment to "Taylor" who was a family member of the homeless woman. Apparently she is upset now, but had the family taken care of this woman, she would not have been on the street...and jaywalking.

So who's fault is it really??

I don't think the girl should get in trouble for hitting the jaywalker, but she SHOULD get in trouble for leaving. More so because there was a death involved.

But to blame the family of a victim of an accident??? That's low. If homeless, she was probably mentally ill. If she's mentally ill, she's gonna do whatever the fark she wants until she's killed or put into jail/instiutionalized for her actions. As we know, she was never put into jail (or maybe just not long enough).

I'm sorry, I may be completely misunderstanding you here, but are you saying that rather than blaming the girl for the death, or the family, we should blame the victim?

Usually, that would sound crazy. But in this case, the "victim" stepped into the street, where cars have been known to zoom by, and something completely obvious and foreseeable happened. The driver is at fault for fleeing, not for driving down the road like people normally do.

/please note - I don't know all the facts here. if the young driver was speeding, drunk, texting her BFF and ordering some slacks from J Peterman, then she's taking a much larger share of the blame in my eyes.
//STILL doesn't excuse the dead woman from stepping into traffic. That's suicide, not murder...

highendmighty: Fairlane500: wyrlss: DslainteC: sxacho: Settle down. The victim was HOMELESS. Can't you read?

Point taken. I missed the part about her being homeless. That means she had no family and was unloved. Quite frankly, I'm glad she's dead.

Is this an American-only attitude? Do people in other countries understand what "homeless" actually means?

In San Francisco it means degenerate, drug addled scum bag.

QFT. If you're going to San Francisco, be sure to look at the tops of the buildings if you want to see any beauty at all. The further you progress downward, the more prevelant the absolute filth. There are more lazy, crazy, drug-addled homeless in San Fran than there are pigeons there.

Do I still need to wear a flower in my hair???

trappedspirit: Is there nothing Meatloaf cannot fix?

Joelogon: I don't use the Self-Arrest lane because it doesn't really save you any time, and I hate doing my own handcuffing.

Meh I don't mind the handing cuffing, its the kicking myself in the balls and shooting myself with pepper spray that gets me.

The_Six_Fingered_Man: So go back, read the article, and tell me where this author (and respected economist who teaches at Harvard and has his PhD from MIT) is injecting opinion into the article and not backing his statements as fact.

His illegal immigrant whargarbl isn't backed up with any evidence. His medicaid whargarbl isn't backed up with any evidence. And the percentage of income whargarbl is so thick and tender you could cut it with a fork. Incomes haven't really gone up in 30 years, but healthcare costs have skyrocketed. But according to him, this is ok, because you're getting what you pay for. Insurance execs were probably pissing their pants with laughter as they were reading that.

skullkrusher: but the writer isn't a politican. Quick wiki of him says that he went to Princeton undergrad and got his PhD in Econ from MIT and spent some time at Harvard Law. The fact that he's a Keynesian means he is slightly left of center as far as economists go. Partisan hack.

I don't care if he's ever held office, he's Bush's man and he's Romney's man. I don't give a shiat where he went to school. And accusations of "partisan hack" are pretty rich coming from and asshole who was throwing around "libtard" in this very thread.

Throw the biatch in jail and let her stay there.

Anyone who leaves a person to die out in the middle of the street, alone, without farking calling the paramedics deserves whatever she gets. coont.

Also, nice job trying to cover it up, you little shiatbag.

"Valdez was originally cited for careless driving, but the citation was dismissed when the detective who issued it failed to appear in court to testify."

What? Was the self-prosecution lane having technical problems too?

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Throw the biatch in jail and let her stay there.

Anyone who leaves a person to die out in the middle of the street, alone, without farking calling the paramedics deserves whatever she gets. coont.

Also, nice job trying to cover it up, you little shiatbag.

I'd still hit it

tedbundee: I'd still hit it

I'd be too terrified I'd have an accident and the biatch would leave me to die because she was 'scared'.

Wendy's Chili: The_Six_Fingered_Man: So go back, read the article, and tell me where this author (and respected economist who teaches at Harvard and has his PhD from MIT) is injecting opinion into the article and not backing his statements as fact.

His illegal immigrant whargarbl isn't backed up with any evidence. His medicaid whargarbl isn't backed up with any evidence. And the percentage of income whargarbl is so thick and tender you could cut it with a fork. Incomes haven't really gone up in 30 years, but healthcare costs have skyrocketed. But according to him, this is ok, because you're getting what you pay for. Insurance execs were probably pissing their pants with laughter as they were reading that.

skullkrusher: but the writer isn't a politican. Quick wiki of him says that he went to Princeton undergrad and got his PhD in Econ from MIT and spent some time at Harvard Law. The fact that he's a Keynesian means he is slightly left of center as far as economists go. Partisan hack.

I don't care if he's ever held office, he's Bush's man and he's Romney's man. I don't give a shiat where he went to school. And accusations of "partisan hack" are pretty rich coming from and asshole who was throwing around "libtard" in this very thread.

well, I thought my "libtard" post was an obvious troll. If it wasn't, I apologize. It was in reference to someone saying that no one hopes homeless people die. I responded "speak for yourself, libtard"... that should have been pretty apparent but anyway.
Partisan hack was a sarcastic reference to the economist, not you.

Illegal immigrant population estimates range from about 8 million to as high as 20 million so I'd say he used a rather conservative number there. I haven't been able to find any figures on people who are eligible for medicaid but have not applied. Median household income has grown rather substantially in the past 30 years. Using the term "whargarbl" does not a good counter-argument make nor does it make you sound like an open-minded person.
In any case, this article which you say does not support the original poster's assertion that your 47 million uninsured number was inflated in fact does support that assertion.

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: tedbundee: I'd still hit it

I'd be too terrified I'd have an accident and the biatch would leave me to die because she was 'scared'.

I'd risk it.

This chick's the only person I ever remember seeing who better in her mugshot than in other pictures. It's almost like they Photoshopped a nicer face on.

/possibly slightly jealous
//I never get to kill people and get away with it
///biatch

Chinchillazilla: This chick's the only person I ever remember seeing who looked better in her mugshot than in other pictures.

FTFM

Chinchillazilla: This chick's the only person I ever remember seeing who better in her mugshot than in other pictures. It's almost like they Photoshopped a nicer face on.

/possibly slightly jealous
//I never get to kill people and get away with it
///biatch

Get pretty and rich.

wyrlss: Chinchillazilla: This chick's the only person I ever remember seeing who better in her mugshot than in other pictures. It's almost like they Photoshopped a nicer face on.

/possibly slightly jealous
//I never get to kill people and get away with it
///biatch

Get pretty and rich.

NOW.

• She killed someone. 30 years doesn't seem like enough.

• But, it was an accident. And 30 years in jail may not rehabilitate her.

• Still, she killed someone. Knocked a homeless woman out of her shoes, and threw her 100 feet. So not only did she leave the scene of an accident, she may have likely been exceeding the speed limit.

• Have her lose her license (until at least 21, if not 25 or later), or make it so she can't drive past midnight, or without supervision. (Though those stipulations may likely not be followed, and may result in fines only).

• Community service sounds like a good idea, especially at a homeless shelter, near where the accident occurred. Maybe also spend time as a crossing guard, near a school zone, to see how others drive, and what she may want to try to avoid. Maybe even do community service at a hospital with accident victims, to see the damage caused by car accidents.
Jail time won't change her, it may make her jaded, and just hurt her later in life.
• If you show her the error of her ways, show her the consequences (to other people), THAT may change her more than jail time.

"The impact knocked Sjostrom out of her shoes and threw her 100 feet, according to police reports." source

fusillade762: Just a lil bit? Anyone?


Dammit, pic got nerfed. What I was trying to say: does anyone else think she looks a little bit like Alyson Hannigan?

Wendy's Chili: The_Six_Fingered_Man: So go back, read the article, and tell me where this author (and respected economist who teaches at Harvard and has his PhD from MIT) is injecting opinion into the article and not backing his statements as fact.

His illegal immigrant whargarbl isn't backed up with any evidence. His medicaid whargarbl isn't backed up with any evidence. And the percentage of income whargarbl is so thick and tender you could cut it with a fork. Incomes haven't really gone up in 30 years, but healthcare costs have skyrocketed. But according to him, this is ok, because you're getting what you pay for. Insurance execs were probably pissing their pants with laughter as they were reading that.

skullkrusher: but the writer isn't a politican. Quick wiki of him says that he went to Princeton undergrad and got his PhD in Econ from MIT and spent some time at Harvard Law. The fact that he's a Keynesian means he is slightly left of center as far as economists go. Partisan hack.

I don't care if he's ever held office, he's Bush's man and he's Romney's man. I don't give a shiat where he went to school. And accusations of "partisan hack" are pretty rich coming from and asshole who was throwing around "libtard" in this very thread.

he also cites an article written by an economist from Berkeley and another from Stanford for his higher incomes can explain a greater % of income spent on healthcare. Hardly bastions of Bushie "whargarbl".
I am willing to bet that people tend to spend a greater % of their money on leisure as incomes go up as well. Is that evidence that the cost of leisure is getting out of hand as well?

myzdoxae: • She killed someone. 30 years doesn't seem like enough.

• But, it was an accident. And 30 years in jail may not rehabilitate her.

• Still, she killed someone. Knocked a homeless woman out of her shoes, and threw her 100 feet. So not only did she leave the scene of an accident, she may have likely been exceeding the speed limit.

• Have her lose her license (until at least 21, if not 25 or later), or make it so she can't drive past midnight, or without supervision. (Though those stipulations may likely not be followed, and may result in fines only).

• Community service sounds like a good idea, especially at a homeless shelter, near where the accident occurred. Maybe also spend time as a crossing guard, near a school zone, to see how others drive, and what she may want to try to avoid. Maybe even do community service at a hospital with accident victims, to see the damage caused by car accidents.
Jail time won't change her, it may make her jaded, and just hurt her later in life.
• If you show her the error of her ways, show her the consequences (to other people), THAT may change her more than jail time.

"The impact knocked Sjostrom out of her shoes and threw her 100 feet, according to police reports." source

See? It was a compassionate death! The b*tch didn't know what hit her!

FREE THIS GIRL! FREE THIS GIRL! FREE THIS GIRL!

it's funny how things work, running from farked up situations is kind of built into the genes, so is it really surprising that so many people bolt? I mean, personally, I don't have that reaction, I'm the guy who usually runs *toward* trouble, but while the whole hiding out thing is mildly reprehensible I don't think we should make two tragedies out of one. Make her do some time yeah, but this chick is likely riding around on a junior license, what possible rationale says that she should be tried as an adult?

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Nice job photoshopping her glasses off

skullkrusher: Illegal immigrant population estimates range from about 8 million to as high as 20 million so I'd say he used a rather conservative number there. I haven't been able to find any figures on people who are eligible for medicaid but have not applied. Median household income has grown rather substantially in the past 30 years. Using the term "whargarbl" does not a good counter-argument make nor does it make you sound like an open-minded person.
In any case, this article which you say does not support the original poster's assertion that your 47 million uninsured number was inflated in fact does support that assertion.

It supports it, but not with any facts. How does the author know that all of these immigrants are uninsured?

skullkrusher: he also cites an article written by an economist from Berkeley and another from Stanford for his higher incomes can explain a greater % of income spent on healthcare. Hardly bastions of Bushie "whargarbl".
I am willing to bet that people tend to spend a greater % of their money on leisure as incomes go up as well. Is that evidence that the cost of leisure is getting out of hand as well?

The fact that you are "willing to bet" isn't evidence.

The % of income going to healthcare has risen dramatically, the % of income going to rent/mortgages and other costs of living have risen dramatically, the only way people are spending more on leisure as well is if they're living off of ramen and dollar menu cheeseburgers and piling up credit card debt.

That article is a bunch of bullshiat, this part in particular: higher incomes can explain a greater % of income spent on healthcare. First of all, real income, adjusted for inflation, has been stagnant for decades while healthcare costs have skyrocketed. But even if it weren't and Reagan's trickle was making all of us richer every day, healthcare isn't a luxury. People aren't paying a greater and greater percentage of their income on it because it's neat and they like it and they have the disposable income, they do it because they need it. The insurance companies keep jacking up rates because they can. People continue to pay them because they have little or no choice. If people just had more money to blow on it as the author suggests, then people wouldn't be going into bankruptcy

Most on the right admit to their constituents that the status quo is unacceptable, but they pull out the most outrageous excuses to maintain it. IT boggles the mind. And I don't care what some douche from Berkeley or Stanford said, if I had the inclination, I could drop names of dozens of academics who say the exact opposite of what these jokers are saying.

Can I try her as an adult?

jafiwam: fanbladesaresharp: I saw that too. The lady was MILF-ish territory. She was only 33. The photo from the website doesn't suggest a woman that's been on the street for 5 years. But everyone is fapping for the chance to bang a 17 year old and get away with it.

Egads.

Mug shot, hair standing on end, obviously drunk, ill fitting clothing and a very very stupid stare is hot to you?

/Must be the ladder theory.

It Friday. Give it time for TSG's line up. I didn't say hot to ME, just that she doesn't look as "hard" as what one might expect from one that has been on the streets a while.

I'm surprised they're even pretending to file charges.

When this first come up, there was a lot of "Oh but..." from the prosecutors because her family (and their money) was basically shielding her from everything after she ran and for whatever reason they couldn't get the appropriate evidence because they had destroyed it.

Just the way i likes em, young, petite, top heavy & full of emotional distress.

Wendy's Chili: skullkrusher: Illegal immigrant population estimates range from about 8 million to as high as 20 million so I'd say he used a rather conservative number there. I haven't been able to find any figures on people who are eligible for medicaid but have not applied. Median household income has grown rather substantially in the past 30 years. Using the term "whargarbl" does not a good counter-argument make nor does it make you sound like an open-minded person.
In any case, this article which you say does not support the original poster's assertion that your 47 million uninsured number was inflated in fact does support that assertion.

It supports it, but not with any facts. How does the author know that all of these immigrants are uninsured?

skullkrusher: he also cites an article written by an economist from Berkeley and another from Stanford for his higher incomes can explain a greater % of income spent on healthcare. Hardly bastions of Bushie "whargarbl".
I am willing to bet that people tend to spend a greater % of their money on leisure as incomes go up as well. Is that evidence that the cost of leisure is getting out of hand as well?

The fact that you are "willing to bet" isn't evidence.

The % of income going to healthcare has risen dramatically, the % of income going to rent/mortgages and other costs of living have risen dramatically, the only way people are spending more on leisure as well is if they're living off of ramen and dollar menu cheeseburgers and piling up credit card debt.

That article is a bunch of bullshiat, this part in particular: higher incomes can explain a greater % of income spent on healthcare. First of all, real income, adjusted for inflation, has been stagnant for decades while healthcare costs have skyrocketed. But even if it weren't and Reagan's trickle was making all of us richer every day, healthcare isn't a luxury. People aren't paying a greater and greater percentage of their income on it because it's neat and they like it and they have the disposable income, they do it because they need it. The insurance companies keep jacking up rates because they can. People continue to pay them because they have little or no choice. If people just had more money to blow on it as the author suggests, then people wouldn't be going into bankruptcy

Most on the right admit to their constituents that the status quo is unacceptable, but they pull out the most outrageous excuses to maintain it. IT boggles the mind. And I don't care what some douche from Berkeley or Stanford said, if I had the inclination, I could drop names of dozens of academics who say the exact opposite of what these jokers are saying.

first off, you say that there are 47 million uninsured people in the United States and that "skyrocketing" health insurance costs is putting so many families at risk but then but then you are going to argue that any substantial percentage of illegal immigrants have insurance? No, the author does not have proof that all illegal immigrants lack insurance but let's not be obtuse here.

You are speaking often about "lack of proof" and now you're threatening to "drop names of dozens of academics who say the exact opposite of what these jokers are saying"... so do it. If the article's author has a burden of proof, I'd say you do as well.

Where is your data and counter arguments aside from insulting people who disagree with you, both on the Fark board as well as extremely well regarded economists?

Doesn't anyone give a damn that her fleeing had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the woman died? Even the police have more or less cleared her of any wrongdoing in the accident itself, and it's been widely published that this woman received medical attention very shortly after the accident because some bystanders called for assistance.

What she did was wrong and she deserves to pay for it in some way, but saying she committed manslaughter or murder or anything even remotely similar to that is just ignorant and inflammatory. Her leaving the scene had NOTHING AT ALL to do with the death, and she apparently was not negligent or reckless in hitting the woman. If she were she would have been charged with negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter.

lehmac: homeless

The caption to the right of the picture (above the article): Jordan Valdez, the teen charged in the hit-and-run of a homeless woman, leaves the booking office after turning herself in to police Thursday.

So what's wrong with Efficiency? I thought Americans hated the red tape?

17 is legal in this state.

I'd motorboat those ta-tas.

giggidy

even the cop is stroking his gun

what rich kid?

Again-- send the biatch to jail. You leave people to die in the middle of the road, you deserve what you get.

sxacho: DslainteC: sxacho: Settle down. The victim was HOMELESS. Can't you read?

Point taken. I missed the part about her being homeless. That means she had no family and was unloved. Quite frankly, I'm glad she's dead.

Now you've got it.

Ouch. That's hands down the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life anywhere. I only wish this thread weren't dead so that you could see my appreciation.