olddinosaur: That says in effect, the value of marijuana over the last 44 years has consistently outperformed the value of the money which bought it, so the obvious conclusion is to get off the Dollar standard, forget about the Gold Standard and adopt marijuana as our standard of economic value.

I think it was Hank Harrison who wrote that dope dollars were always the highest standard of trade in one of his Dead books.

Repost for the idiots who don't get it yet.


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D_Evans45:
Goddamn. Makes me sad when I hear some of the ass backward policies in existence in our country over something that's relatively harmless, especially compared to something that takes thousands of lives every year (the DUIs you mentioned).

Man... I'm from Chico CA.. but I've lived in other states and countries, the south is a different universe. It'll hurt your brain trying to understand it.

zymosan: Other then the direct tax benefits you would get by selling it, the state would also receive taxes from all the business that opened because of it. Restaurants, cafes, head shops, herbal place, etc. It would stimulate the economy by creating jobs for which people would pay income tax.

It would probably also ease border tensions to a degree.

The reasons for legalization far out way the caveats.

outweigh

/just sayin'
//agree

Akuinnen: Man... I'm from Chico CA.. but I've lived in other states and countries, the south is a different universe. It'll hurt your brain trying to understand it.

NC had decrim before most of the northeast. Just sayin'. Stupid knows no boundaries.

Akuinnen: Man... I'm from Chico CA.. but I've lived in other states and countries, the south is a different universe. It'll hurt your brain trying to understand it.

Are you attempting to put West Va. in the south? Nosir, we barely tolerate Virgina as is. West Va is it's own special brand of farkup. They are like white trash rednecks, who happen to live in the uphill country. As someone from the Mountains who now lives in the big city, I don't claim those folk in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

Occam's Chainsaw:
NC had decrim before most of the northeast. Just sayin'. Stupid knows no boundaries.

I've only been to Outer Banks in NC. Nice place. For the most part the people are laid back and the beer can be +6% unlike WV.

//like the fist of an angry god
///just sayin..

Why do you think people live in California? Cause you can smoke your pot in relative peace as long as you don't carry it in your car. Or if you do, just don't make the cops mad during the traffic stop, and chances are they'll just make you throw it in the gutter when they write the ticket.

And anyway, 28 grams is a $100 fine and no jail time. How much do you f*cking need to carry around with you? If you HAVE to live in Jackass Joe's neck of the woods, that's not my problem, but you could stay home and get wasted.

Roger Arseways: Pot is a gateway drug because the guy who you have to go to for it can just as easily get any number of harder drugs.

Potheads don't like being criminals. I've got the CA "weed card" and am so glad that I don't need to go buy off the street any more. It's as legal as it needs to be right now to be perfectly honest, California needs to drop the whole "doctor's recommendation" facade. There are dispensaries everywhere in my neighborhood in LA, too -- at least 5 within a mile's radius. Don't know how many will survive but still, this is big business and can solve a lot of problems. I'm so glad I haven't had to "make a call" in a long time. I have choice as a consumer.

The assho..la city council is pushing it. While Villar, is in africa with his news anchor girlfriend. LA, welcome to Corruption.

/Love legal high priced choices vs dealing with gangs.

TheGreatZarquon: Pot is- safer than booze, impossible to overdose on, has positive health benefits, makes everything taste AWESOME, makes boring movies hilarious, makes bowling the most interesting sport you have ever played, facilitates creative thinking when thought is applied to problems that will never, ever happen, is growable at home and therefore semi-free, and if taxed could bring California billions of dollars.

Pot is not- safe to use while driving or using power tools, not good for kids, a replacement for every medicine in your cabinet, a gateway drug, a replacement for actually using your brain, a dangerous substance.

Now, let's talk legalization.

I'm honestly curious, all the pro pot/drug folks on fark what do you guys think about the crap fest going on at the texas/mexico border? It's getting insane over there... Do you guys ever think about the people killed by the drug cartels?

D_Evans45: Gyrfalcon

... cops in Arizona charge you with a felony for possession of even a single joint.



This why I can't legally buy a gun in California. F... Arizona. Does prohibition stop, the black market? Simple answer, No.

Do higher taxes on cigarettes prevent people from smoking? I can find cartons for 20 bucks in SoCal. Duty Free.

Ashelth: TheGreatZarquon: Pot is- safer than booze, impossible to overdose on, has positive health benefits, makes everything taste AWESOME, makes boring movies hilarious, makes bowling the most interesting sport you have ever played, facilitates creative thinking when thought is applied to problems that will never, ever happen, is growable at home and therefore semi-free, and if taxed could bring California billions of dollars.

Pot is not- safe to use while driving or using power tools, not good for kids, a replacement for every medicine in your cabinet, a gateway drug, a replacement for actually using your brain, a dangerous substance.

Now, let's talk legalization.

I'm honestly curious, all the pro pot/drug folks on fark what do you guys think about the crap fest going on at the texas/mexico border? It's getting insane over there... Do you guys ever think about the people killed by the drug cartels?

Yeah....some of those people wouldn't be killed if pot was legal. That's what I think about it. Of course the massive illegal cocaine, heroin etc trade will continue, so the drug cartels will remain in business, but it's a step forward.

Ashelth: I'm honestly curious, all the pro pot/drug folks on fark what do you guys think about the crap fest going on at the texas/mexico border? It's getting insane over there... Do you guys ever think about the people killed by the drug cartels?

I'm thinking it flares and then all but vanishes, just as soon as we drain the swamp stateside. By legalizing marijuana alone, you eliminate two-thirds of the Mexican cartels' incomes in one fell swoop. That's a whole lot o' machine guns, bullets, bought off law enforcement agents, etc that they can no longer afford.

The ones not thinking about the people killed by the cartels are the "it's illegal because it's bad, and it's bad because it's illegal" crowd. I'd personally rather fund a local farmer employing citizens in productive, tax-generating jobs than a cartel.

Ashelth: TheGreatZarquon: Pot is- safer than booze, impossible to overdose on, has positive health benefits, makes everything taste AWESOME, makes boring movies hilarious, makes bowling the most interesting sport you have ever played, facilitates creative thinking when thought is applied to problems that will never, ever happen, is growable at home and therefore semi-free, and if taxed could bring California billions of dollars.

Pot is not- safe to use while driving or using power tools, not good for kids, a replacement for every medicine in your cabinet, a gateway drug, a replacement for actually using your brain, a dangerous substance.

Now, let's talk legalization.

I'm honestly curious, all the pro pot/drug folks on fark what do you guys think about the crap fest going on at the texas/mexico border? It's getting insane over there... Do you guys ever think about the people killed by the drug cartels?

Honestly, I wouldn't buy Mexican cannabis. It doesn't have the quality of American grown.

/Truck is American Made
//Boots are American Made
///Homegrown moonshine and cannabis are American Made

Ashelth: Do you guys ever think about the people killed by the drug cartels?

How many people are killed running alcohol or tobacco across the Texas/Mexico border? Exactly. Now, think back to Prohibition. Didn't we see essentially the same kinds of activities occurring with alcohol running back then? Yep. And they went away when? Right, when we re-legalized alcohol. So, in order to reduce the deaths you're concerned with, we should re-legalize. At least, according to history, common sense, and human nature, we should.

Cagey B: Decriminalize it. And then add cocaine, speed and all opiates to the list.

I will then personally volunteer to go around in a grizzly bear costume and jab people with needles full of black tar heroin. Watch the tax revenues pour in, baby.

OMG dude, that's one hell of a funny mental image.

I love weed threads on fark

Rickerkioz: I love weed threads on fark

I love Fark threads on...

/What were we talking about?

I need to get to bed, F..Politics.

Ashelth: I'm honestly curious, all the pro pot/drug folks on fark what do you guys think about the crap fest going on at the texas/mexico border? It's getting insane over there... Do you guys ever think about the people killed by the drug cartels?

Yes.

This is exactly why it needs to be legalized: to put the cartels out of business.

As long as a black-market exists, gangs (cartels) will rise to fill the market. Basic capitalism and supply/demand theory. So move the market somewhere it can be regulated (a legal public (government) or private (business) method of sales).

Anybody that continues to argue for prohibition is arguing for more violent cartel involvement.

Need_MindBleach: Of course the massive illegal cocaine, heroin etc trade will continue, so the drug cartels will remain in business

Which is why we need to legalize everything. We cannot leave any of these markets in the hands of violent gangs, if we ever want to end the violence in the street.

For that matter, we should legalize things like prostitution as well, for much the same reasons. It's (as far as I know) far less violence than the armies the drug cartels are using these days, but it's still violence that we could end by simply legalizing and regulating the industry like any other business.

Making laws against things that people want to do means the law will be ignored. When the law is being ignored, only illegal (by definition) business can meat the demand, which usually leads to violence.

Freewheeling Franklin sez;

"Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope."

/Freak Brothers FTW

What just cracks me up is that there are all these people in the prisons that lost their job or went broke however and needed to pay their rent so they sold some drugs. Now Cali's broke, they're desperate, and what are they going to do? Sell some drugs.

Go to your local courthouse and sit there for a day's session. In most cases you can do this just fine. You could also just ask for a copy of the day's verdicts and the fines imposed.

Marijuana will not be legalized until the state finds a way to continue the massive cash cow that is fines for possession and growth.

Given that people will buy/smoke/sell marijuana anyhow, I say they just impose a standard license fee. "Give us $25 and get your pot license. Otherwise it is a $500 fine for each possession charge."

We tend to think that people are going to be happy just heading down to the head shop and buying their weed, the problem is that the grow culture already exists because it has been prohibited for this long. Hell... I *might* know where there are a few dozen plants right this very minute.

Anyhow, now if the sun would come out and it would stop raining so much...

fatassbastard 2009-07-08 08:12:49 PM
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I'd smoke it!

Speaking of weed . . . they just got my Taco Bell order wrong in the drive thru. Damn you Bush, er ah I mean Obama!

jaerik: I'm all for legalizing it, but I've also noticed no one's debated what to do with all the people in California jails convicted of marijuana possession charges.

Do we release them early, with our apologies? Would certainly save us an assload of money...

The prison guard union (one of the most powerful political lobbies in our state, along with the teacher's union) would never go for that.

No, these people get to stay in prison. Repealing a law does not make them any less guilty of breaking it when it was instated.

Many, many, positives about legalizing it. I'm not a user and wouldn't plan on being one if the legalization went into effect.
1. Empty prison systems of non dangerous, non violent criminals (users, not dealers)
2. Generate a taxable resource
3. Create a large scale LEGAL manufacturing system, which could employ thousands upon thousands of LEGAL Americans.
4. Generate across the board consumption of Cheetos, Twinkies, multi flavored pop tarts, and anything else close to the cashier counter at the local stop-n-shop. In turn, creating a across the board revenue for American companies, spurring job growth and industrial growth at the same time.

Treat it somewhat like alcohol, make it legally available to non minors, and only used off the job. Hell, why not go for it?

oh, and the negatives
1. The CIA will no longer be able to fund it's operations.
Scratch that, they still have Heroine, Cocaine, Opium, and the rest of the smorgasborg of drugs they're secretly moving in and out of the country to fall back on if pot is legalized. Oh well.

There, I said it. There's more I'm sure, but too stuffed from lunch to think about it right now.

LaurenAguilera: Fugit: If we legalize marijuana the brown people will rape the white woman.

/It's been proven with film.

I believe that was cocaine, my friend.

You know, back when coke-a-cola was super delish and black people WENT BATSHIAT CRAZY when they drank it.

MJ was those gosh darn mexicans.

/g.d. mexicans.

you need to brush up on your marijuana history!

/lulz