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(Some Guy) Stupid With all other problems in the country solved, Utah Senator Hatch wants an anti-trust investigation of the BCS   (wbaltv.com) divider line 189
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pecosdave [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 06:21:01 AM  
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What senator Hatch may look like before a formal appearance.

 
Jerzefornian 2009-07-08 07:21:53 AM  
I can't say I disagree that the BCS sucks one hard; but how is this a government issue? I thought Republicans were the "no government interference" party?

 
kronicfeld [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 07:22:33 AM  
Just another big-government liberal.

 
johnsoninca [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 07:28:31 AM  
At least he's looking out for the interests of his state. Not like anyone else in Washington does that...

 
chemical_angel [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 07:43:17 AM  
Jerzefornian: I thought Republicans were the "no government interferen

They are. Unless it's anything to do with gays, drugs, religion, abortion, immigration or any other pet issues.

 
lajimi [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 07:57:44 AM  
Hatch said that the BCS is exploiting a position of power, "and it's just not right."

THIS from a Republican? Where was HE hiding over the last eight years?

 
Go Fast Turn Left [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 07:57:50 AM  
johnsoninca: At least he's looking out for the interests of his state. Not like anyone else in Washington does that...

Pretty much that. Last I checked Hatch's primary job is to represent the people of Utah.

 
Go Fast Turn Left [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 08:01:14 AM  
lajimi: Where was HE hiding over the last eight years?

He was sad 'cause no one was tryin' to blow him.

 
UNC_Samurai [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 08:33:47 AM  
Of the 65 BCS schools, 55 are public institutions, and I'm fairly certain every one of them receives substantial federal funding in the form of research grants and other awards. With all the money that these universities make from the BCS, I'm okay with Congress putting some pressure on the school presidents and conference commissioners to fix the problem. The NCAA and the schools sure haven't been paying attention to real issues. They're more concerned with making sure nobody gets offended by a mascot. I would want to see a thorough investigation of collegiate athletic funding in general to go along with this bill.

 
varmitydog 2009-07-08 08:45:25 AM  
Hooray for Orrin Hatch! Get after those arrogant BCS cocksuckers, and TAKE THEM DOWN!

And for all those saying the government shouldn't get involved; horse manure. The BCS is an unfair entity, hiding behind the law. They are accountable to no one, and thus have no reason to change. Despite the fact that 90% of college football fans want some kind of a playoff and want the system taken out of the hands of the convoluted BCS system, they have for years steadfastedly refused to do more than give a playoff lip service.
It's past time that the government got involved in the open and blatant corruption of these self serving bureaucrats.

 
friendinpa [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 08:50:08 AM  
Jerzefornian
I can't say I disagree that the BCS sucks one hard; but how is this a government issue? I thought Republicans were the "no government interference" party?

Obama said he would use his influence as President to push the BCS to go to a playoff system.

That aside, Hatch is looking at this from a legal perspective. Like it or not the BCS is big business and Hatch believes they should be held to federal anti-trust laws. He, like the vast majority of fans and the President, believes the current system is unfair and that he is in a position to fix it. What is wrong with that?

 
lunchinlewis [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 08:53:41 AM  
friendinpa: What is wrong with that?

He has an R next to his name. And this is fark.

 
Whodat? 2009-07-08 08:58:24 AM  
While I agree that this is retarded, can we please, please stop with the "having solved all other problems" bullshiat? It's not funny. It never has been. And it's stupid.

 
Jomigero 2009-07-08 09:09:15 AM  
UNC_Samurai: With all the money that these universities make from the BCS, I'm okay with Congress putting some pressure on the school presidents and conference commissioners to fix the problem.

What problem? You haven't described a problem. I can tell you a problem; there are 120 schools in the FBS. By 2011 Georgia State and South Alabama, schools that have never even played a football game as of today, will be joining FBS football. Why? Because they want a handout from the big schools. These little schools with no history, no tradition, no facilities, and, most importantly, a tiny fan base with little attendance, want to jump to FBS to get a paycheck. And people want to give them more incentive to jump, all in the name of "fairness." Do you want to water down the FBS any more?
Ohio State had more people attend their spring game this year than the entire accumulated home attendance of 13 FBS schools. 10% of schools in the same division had less people at all of their home games combined than Ohio State's glorified scrimmage. Is congress going to argue that it's not fair of Ohio State to have that kind of attendance (and financial) advantage, and that Ohio State should have restrictions on the number of people who can attend the game? Or watch it on TV? Because, to make things fair, we would have to mandate that Wyoming or Florida International get prime time slots on Saturdays, reducing the amount of time available to televise a game like Florida at LSU.
There are too many teams playing too few games organized into small subsets without enough interconference competition. Reduce the number of teams before even discussing a playoff, because right now, there simply isn't enough information to create an objective playoff. That's the problem that needs to be fixed. And an NCAA created playoff that "more fairly" distributes the money just gives more incentives for small schools to join FBS without contributing anything to it, and just taking out of the pot. Even though I still don't understand how it would be fair for fans of USC to be forced to pay for North Texas's football program.

varmitydog: The BCS is an unfair entity, hiding behind the law.

Take your "unfair" and shove it.

 
friendinpa [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 09:15:15 AM  
lunchinlewis
friendinpa: What is wrong with that?

He has an R next to his name. And this is fark.


Good point.

 
Cerwin3302 2009-07-08 09:17:10 AM  
Fairness can be done by doing exactly what they do now, but with an added change.

Do the BCS rankings
Take Top 8, 12 or 16 teams (my thought is 12 - model it after the NFL) and put them in a playoff.
those outside the top get selected to bowls just as they are now.

 
starmatt85 2009-07-08 09:27:29 AM  
In before IAmRight's 'free market' defense

 
GoodyearPimp 2009-07-08 09:30:00 AM  
Why stop at a playoff? Let's just put shackles on the amateur players and march them down Main Street to do as we please.

 
varmitydog 2009-07-08 09:52:58 AM  
Jomigero: Take your "unfair" and shove it.

Right back at you, neocon tough guy.
IMHO, CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON ON THE FIELD OF PLAY, NOT ON A PIECE OF FRIGGING PAPER

How many teams don't get a chance to win a national championship in this FUBAR system? Each and every one of them are being ripped off, by collusion. It's why we have anti-trust laws, and it's high time that they should be inforced. It's also why words such as "unfair" irritate folks like you who support the BCS system; because the truth always hurts con artists.

 
Di Atribe [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 10:17:13 AM  
This is why I cannot get into college football. The post-season is so anti-climactic and a total funsucker. I'm TIRED of being told how college football is so much greater than the NFL. I'm sorry, but it's not. The game itself is great, no doubt. But everything that surrounds college football makes it unpalatable.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the anti-trust investigation has more to do with money than moving to a playoff system.

 
mikaloyd 2009-07-08 10:19:57 AM  
Be careful what you wish for

 
QU!RK1019 2009-07-08 10:19:57 AM  
Jomigero: Take your "unfair" and shove it.

Oh good point. Fairness doesn't matter much in sports, does it?

 
Jomigero 2009-07-08 10:21:40 AM  
varmitydog: Right back at you, neocon tough guy.
IMHO, CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON ON THE FIELD OF PLAY, NOT ON A PIECE OF FRIGGING PAPER

How many teams don't get a chance to win a national championship in this FUBAR system? Each and every one of them are being ripped off, by collusion. It's why we have anti-trust laws, and it's high time that they should be inforced. It's also why words such as "unfair" irritate folks like you who support the BCS system; because the truth always hurts con artists.


First off, I have never posted in a politics thread to give you any indication of my views concerning international relations and fiscal governance. You're just using a pointless throwaway insult that absolutely makes no sense in the context of other people's discussion. You of course, are not participating in a discussion but rather in a monkey-like vigorous poo flinging contest.
Secondly (and this is in response to you too, Cerwin3302), the NFL supposedly has a championship determined on the field, but this piece from the Sports Illustrated last year does a good job of pointing the ridiculousness of the NFL system, in which the regular season has little importance and is of little worth in predicting the outcome of post season tournament. The current system in college football has some ambiguity, but I personally feel that that is not too steep a price to insure that a most deserving team gets crowned champion at the end of the year.
Finally, to address the main thrust of your verbal diarrhea, the BCS is the result of a successful application of anti-trust laws. The Universities of Georgia and Oklahoma sued the NCAA as a trust in the 1980s, and won. Each conference now negotiates its own bowl deals and television rights on behalf of their member institutions. The big 6 conferences all agreed on a marketing plan with the largest bowls in order to create the BCS. The smaller conferences saw benefits in joining this system, and have received more money and exposure than ever before. If they feel that the current system is unfair, they are always free to leave it. If they truly want a playoff, rather than a larger piece of the money and notoriety, they are free to play in the FCS instead. Appalachia State, Delaware, Montana, Richmond, Georgia State, and other schools all play in that subdivision, and seem to be prospering. Even if they don't want to do that, they can just unilaterally declare themselves champion, since the NCAA does not sponsor a championship in FBS football. Most schools only will recognize one of their teams as national champions only if a prestigious outside selector chooses them as one (the AP being the oldest such body), but that is not a rule.
I simply fail to see how "each and every one of them are being ripped off, by collusion," when the BCS is the system that has granted them unprecedented access and money. If Utah wants other people to recognize their team, they shouldn't back out of a home game with Texas, like the one they had scheduled last year before they canceled it. They can't presume to compete for a slot in the BCS NCG without first playing a schedule that is worthy of it. And since this entire system is voluntary, if the MWC and WAC don't like it, they can just leave it. It's not the fault of the Big 6 schools that the smaller conferences don't have the same size fan base, and it's not their responsibility to provide asses in the seats and eyeballs on the TV solely for the benefit of the smaller schools.

 
Jomigero 2009-07-08 10:32:27 AM  
QU!RK1019: Oh good point. Fairness doesn't matter much in sports, does it?

Explain to me how it is fair for fans of Michigan to have to pay for FIU's football team. Or for USC to have to pay for North Texas, or Ohio State fans to have to pay for the "success" of Idaho, or Florida fans being forced to provide for Kent State. Why is it Notre Dame's fault that San Diego State can't sign a lease on a stadium (new window)? And yet the system you propose will give schools like Western Kentucky more incentive to jump to the highest level of football without the resources it takes to compete there because they will be looking for a paycheck.
I already listed 2 schools that will be joining the highest level of football who haven't ever played a game before. Why should schools like that get rewarded and schools that have invested years and millions into their programs get punished for being successful? The NCAA is a voluntary organization, why would the big schools remain in it when they get calumniated for taking action to insure their continued prosperity? Especially if Nebraska draws a larger crowd to watch the team play itself than a significant number of its supposed peers can draw to actual games? Who is being unfair to whom?

 
QU!RK1019 2009-07-08 10:35:02 AM  
Jomigero: If Utah wants other people to recognize their team, they shouldn't back out of a home game with Texas, like the one they had scheduled last year before they canceled it.

It proves Urban Meyer was as chickenshiat then as he is now.

 
Nobodyn0se 2009-07-08 10:35:11 AM  
Di Atribe: This is why I cannot get into college football. The post-season is so anti-climactic and a total funsucker. I'm TIRED of being told how college football is so much greater than the NFL. I'm sorry, but it's not. The game itself is great, no doubt. But everything that surrounds college football makes it unpalatable.


A big farking THIS.

 
Jonny Chimpo 2009-07-08 10:36:42 AM  
I was unaware of Utah backing out of a game with Texas. I also don't seem to be able to find it on Google.

The main reason I believe the BCS is unfair is this. Take Utah's stats, scores, schedule and any other pertinent factor to the BCS. If the team was Notre Dame instead, there is no doubt that ND would be in the title game. The reason is ND prestige.

The thing is, the BCS shouldn't make a title game based on prestige, but the current season. If that was true, Utah would have been in the National Championship game.

 
QU!RK1019 2009-07-08 10:44:01 AM  
Jomigero: Explain to me how it is fair for fans of Michigan to have to pay for FIU's football team.

Explain to me how fans of Michigan would have to pay for FIU's football team.

If you're talking about smaller schools are making money by fielding teams against the big schools, understand that this is happening in the current system. How does a playoff system act as more of an incentive that the current one?

 
HeadLever [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 10:45:19 AM  
Jomigero: What problem?

Oh, maybe the little problem that about 1/2 of the teams are automatically disqualified in playing in the national championship game before the season even starts.

There are too many teams playing too few games organized into small subsets without enough interconference competition. Reduce the number of teams before even discussing a playoff, because right now, there simply isn't enough information to create an objective playoff.

Have you ever heard of FCS (144 teams)? It seems to work for them just fine.

/but it is all about the money, right?

 
steamingpile 2009-07-08 10:50:27 AM  
varmitydog: Hooray for Orrin Hatch! Get after those arrogant BCS cocksuckers, and TAKE THEM DOWN!

And for all those saying the government shouldn't get involved; horse manure. The BCS is an unfair entity, hiding behind the law. They are accountable to no one, and thus have no reason to change. Despite the fact that 90% of college football fans want some kind of a playoff and want the system taken out of the hands of the convoluted BCS system, they have for years steadfastedly refused to do more than give a playoff lip service.
It's past time that the government got involved in the open and blatant corruption of these self serving bureaucrats.


The alternative is going back the way it used to be, this will not lead to a playoff, it will just disband the BCS, which even in its shiatty form is better than the previous system.

The only reason hatch is doing this is because hes from utah and for some reason they think they had a shot at beating a good team last year. Good job alabama, you could have stomped a mudhole in them and shut them up but no, you had to pull a saban and lose.

 
HeadLever [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 10:55:09 AM  
Jomigero: If they feel that the current system is unfair, they are always free to leave it.

You mean like this ?Linky (new window)

It's not the fault of the Big 6 schools that the smaller conferences don't have the same size fan base, and it's not their responsibility to provide asses in the seats and eyeballs on the TV solely for the benefit of the smaller schools.

But it is the fault of the Big 6 schools that the smaller confrences are excluded from ever competing in the National Championship Game, no matter how good they are. And if you don't give these small schools a fair shake (looking at a twice defeated Ohio State getting a BCS slot over undefeated Boise State) how are they going to get the exposure to attract a national following?

 
Kornchex [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 10:55:19 AM  
If they were able to take the BCS down, the only thing that would happen is that the system would revert to the old PAC10-BIG10 Rose Bowl, etc. It would go back to the way it was before. It would also take years and cost many millions of dollars.

They can not force the colleges to change to a playoff system. It is as simple as that.

In other words, this is a huge waste of time and money.

 
QU!RK1019 2009-07-08 10:55:41 AM  
steamingpile: you could have stomped a mudhole in them

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Dawg47 2009-07-08 10:55:53 AM  
Utah needs to go fark themselves with an iron stick. If you thought you deserved a title shot, then you should've gotten ANYONE in the coaches poll to vote you higher than 5th. Your own coach voted you 5th. No other coaches in your conference voted you higher than 5th. Stop complaining about the rest of us when you couldn't even muster a token showing of support for this bullshiat agenda you're dumping on us after the fact.

In conclusion, eat me.

 
redmid17 2009-07-08 10:56:58 AM  
I just don't see why people make such a big deal out of this. A simple proposal would to take the top 8-12 teams* and let them have a playoff to determine a champion. Then let each other school have its random bowl game like they do now. Surprise, everyone is happy and still gets their funding.

*I like the 12 personally, but that number should be left to experts who aren't hungover from last night

 
icy_one 2009-07-08 10:57:52 AM  
varmitydog: Jomigero: Take your "unfair" and shove it.

Right back at you, neocon tough guy.
IMHO, CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON ON THE FIELD OF PLAY, NOT ON A PIECE OF FRIGGING PAPER

How many teams don't get a chance to win a national championship in this FUBAR system? Each and every one of them are being ripped off, by collusion. It's why we have anti-trust laws, and it's high time that they should be inforced. It's also why words such as "unfair" irritate folks like you who support the BCS system; because the truth always hurts con artists.


You know, its not like all these schools suddenly had the BCS foisted upon them blindly. They knew the rules. They saw the calculations and the formulae and all the things that went in to winning a championship.

You know what's unfair? Agreeing to all that shiat and then saying that all the shiat you just agreed to is unfair. I'm sorry your team of choice doesn't have what it takes to play with the big boys and you feel personally slighted because of it, but every school in the BCS has a chance to win the championship. Every school has access to the same talent, on the field and on the sidelines. Sure, every school may not be able to woo that top coach or high school prospect, but that doesn't mean they didn't have the ability.

If you want to win a championship, win a farking championship. Don't whine about it and try to get the rules that you agreed to changed because you didn't realize you weren't up to the challenge.

 
HeadLever [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 10:58:36 AM  
Jomigero: Explain to me how it is fair for fans of Michigan to have to pay for FIU's football team. Or for USC to have to pay for North Texas, or Ohio State fans to have to pay for the "success" of Idaho, or Florida fans being forced to provide for Kent State.

What do you mean? They pay for these teams right now when they schedule these cupcakes (although I give props to USC for not normally scheduleing cupcakes). The only reason teams like Idaho and Utah State go to these guarenteed arse-whoopings is so they can make bank.

 
Dawg47 2009-07-08 11:00:11 AM  
HeadLever: Jomigero: If they feel that the current system is unfair, they are always free to leave it.

You mean like this ?Linky (new window)

It's not the fault of the Big 6 schools that the smaller conferences don't have the same size fan base, and it's not their responsibility to provide asses in the seats and eyeballs on the TV solely for the benefit of the smaller schools.

But it is the fault of the Big 6 schools that the smaller confrences are excluded from ever competing in the National Championship Game, no matter how good they are. And if you don't give these small schools a fair shake (looking at a twice defeated Ohio State getting a BCS slot over undefeated Boise State) how are they going to get the exposure to attract a national following?


If they hate it so much, they can become independent and schedule whoever the fark they want. Auburn played a tough SEC schedule (4 games against teams that were otherwise 9-1) and got left out of a national title game. If Boise State didn't play six assclowns and barely beat SAN JOSE STATE, maybe they woulda gotten more respect.

 
Cheesus 2009-07-08 11:03:07 AM  
icy_one: varmitydog: Jomigero: Take your "unfair" and shove it.

Right back at you, neocon tough guy.
IMHO, CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON ON THE FIELD OF PLAY, NOT ON A PIECE OF FRIGGING PAPER

How many teams don't get a chance to win a national championship in this FUBAR system? Each and every one of them are being ripped off, by collusion. It's why we have anti-trust laws, and it's high time that they should be inforced. It's also why words such as "unfair" irritate folks like you who support the BCS system; because the truth always hurts con artists.

You know, its not like all these schools suddenly had the BCS foisted upon them blindly. They knew the rules. They saw the calculations and the formulae and all the things that went in to winning a championship.

You know what's unfair? Agreeing to all that shiat and then saying that all the shiat you just agreed to is unfair. I'm sorry your team of choice doesn't have what it takes to play with the big boys and you feel personally slighted because of it, but every school in the BCS has a chance to win the championship. Every school has access to the same talent, on the field and on the sidelines. Sure, every school may not be able to woo that top coach or high school prospect, but that doesn't mean they didn't have the ability.

If you want to win a championship, win a farking championship. Don't whine about it and try to get the rules that you agreed to changed because you didn't realize you weren't up to the challenge.


How are they supposed to win a farking championship exactly? Being the only undefeated team certainly doesn't seem to do it.

 
Cerwin3302 2009-07-08 11:03:10 AM  
QU!RK1019: Jomigero: Explain to me how it is fair for fans of Michigan to have to pay for FIU's football team.

Explain to me how fans of Michigan would have to pay for FIU's football team.

If you're talking about smaller schools are making money by fielding teams against the big schools, understand that this is happening in the current system. How does a playoff system act as more of an incentive that the current one?


It is perfectly fair for UM to play FIU. I mean they have recently lost to Appalachian St and Toledo. =o)

 
Jomigero 2009-07-08 11:04:05 AM  
QU!RK1019: If you're talking about smaller schools are making money by fielding teams against the big schools, understand that this is happening in the current system. How does a playoff system act as more of an incentive that the current one?

I'm talking about smaller schools being given a slice of whatever pie the tournament makes, because the money would be collected by the NCAA and then distributed to schools with little regard to which ones brought the fans or TV ratings.

HeadLever: Have you ever heard of FCS (144 teams)? It seems to work for them just fine.

/but it is all about the money, right?


Exactly! If Utah wants a playoff, it can join the FCS, if it wants the money, then it can stay in the FBS. If it wants to win a national championship recognized by other selectors, then it can schedule more than 4 bowl teams in its regular season and not back out of a home game against Texas (new window). Utah needs to stop looking for handouts from more established programs. Why should Tennessee have to play an away game in a 45,017 person stadium when their stadium holds over 100,000? Utah needs to give them an incentive to, like the 2 for 1 series it had set up against Texas before canceling. For comparison, Florida played 9 bowl teams in the regular season (10 if you count Alabama) and Oklahoma played 7 (8 if you count Missouri). Next year, BYU is playing Oklahoma and Florida State. If BYU is the only undefeated with schedule like that, do you think they'll be kept out of the title game? Although it would help if they weren't playing Utah State and Tulane as well.

 
varmitydog 2009-07-08 11:05:25 AM  
Jomigero: First off, I have never posted in a politics thread to give you any indication of my views concerning international relations and fiscal governance. You're just using a pointless throwaway insult that absolutely makes no sense in the context of other people's discussion.

My apologies, that was a Freudian slip. Just because I equate the neocons and BCS as being about the same, elitists being arrogant & unfair because they hold power, is no reason to insult anyone.

You are going by the assumption in your arguments for the BCS system that the BCS system IS major college football. Once you buy into this major logic flaw, that the BCS is this grand and glorious entity that was born out of the traditions of college football, you can protect it against any and all arguments.

But the fact is that the BCS IS NOT major college football, it is merely a collection of conferences that have colluded together to insure that only those conferences are eligible for the major payouts, the BCS bowl games. And that these conferences would be threatened by any changes to that system, money wise. To go back to before the start of this system and make assumptions of it to prove that what is there now is inherently dishonest. But then, you seem to be quite comfortable with dishonesty, eh?

In the meanwhile, we have all these other schools, who have proven by their play on the field that they indeed are
just as capable of winning a national title as any of the schools protected by the BCS system. It's why I put my opinion in big black letters "you win championships on the field of play, not on a piece of paper".

If you want a true national champion in major college football, put in a playoff system. If you want a circle jerk, keep the BCS.
I'm for the true national champion, you're for the circle jerk. It's as simple as that.

 
HeadLever [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 11:06:11 AM  
icy_one: You know what's unfair? Agreeing to all that shiat and then saying that all the shiat you just agreed to is unfair.

False Dichotomy. It was within thier best interest to agree to the system that was the best option. Even if that option was still unfair.

I'm sorry your team of choice doesn't have what it takes to play with the big boys

How do you know that? Who is to say that Utah was not as good as Florida? Seems that Alabama faired a little better against Florida than against Utah. Make all the excuses you want, the fact is that we will never know.

If you want to win a championship, win a farking championship.

That is a pretty dumb comment when faced with the fact that close to 1/2 of the teams are disqualified from this game before the seasons even starts.

 
YouWinAgainGravity [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 11:10:53 AM  
i would feel a little bit sorrier for the smaller conferences if they took more of a stand on the playoff issue, and not just when it affects them. every year, someone gets screwed by the system and proposes drastic changes during the summer meetings, and every year most of these schools that don't even have a shot of making a bcs game or doing better than a 7-8 win season put in their 2 cents of "er uhh umm yeah i guess a playoff would be nice but i like this money i'm getting, so i'm gonna vote how everyone else does and not rock the boat".

 
steamingpile 2009-07-08 11:13:11 AM  
QU!RK1019: steamingpile: you could have stomped a mudhole in them

Again use the whole quote not just your little snippet, if saban wouldnt have had one of his lapses in coaching against a perceived lesser team then they probably would have won. Fact remains that if utah played a schedule in the SEC, BIG 12, Big 10, ACC, hell even the PAC 10 they would have had at least 3 losses. Quit playing shiat schools every week, if you hate that your conference has shiatty schools go independent and play who you want, until then, shut the fark up.

Dawg47: Utah needs to go fark themselves with an iron stick. If you thought you deserved a title shot, then you should've gotten ANYONE in the coaches poll to vote you higher than 5th. Your own coach voted you 5th. No other coaches in your conference voted you higher than 5th. Stop complaining about the rest of us when you couldn't even muster a token showing of support for this bullshiat agenda you're dumping on us after the fact.

In conclusion, eat me.


Exactly, the teams they play are the exact same teams they make fun of SEC teams for playing, calling them cupcakes, fark I would love for UGA to play their schedule then still have a shot at the NC game.

 
Tony Van Morrison 2009-07-08 11:13:28 AM  
redmid17: I just don't see why people make such a big deal out of this. A simple proposal would to take the top 8-12 teams* and let them have a playoff to determine a champion.

Its because there are never 8-12 teams that have a claim to being the best team. That's why its such a big deal to folks like me.

I promise, a playoff will result in more biatching and moaning than the previous system or the current BCS system. Guarandamntee it.

 
icy_one 2009-07-08 11:16:05 AM  
Cheesus: How are they supposed to win a farking championship exactly? Being the only undefeated team certainly doesn't seem to do it.

That's a good question - I hear there's a set of formulas for this situation. Personally, I'd be embarrassed to go to a school that doesn't have a math department capable of figuring it out.

HeadLever: False Dichotomy. It was within thier best interest to agree to the system that was the best option. Even if that option was still unfair.

How do you know that? Who is to say that Utah was not as good as Florida? Seems that Alabama faired a little better against Florida than against Utah. Make all the excuses you want, the fact is that we will never know.

That is a pretty dumb comment when faced with the fact that close to 1/2 of the teams are disqualified from this game before the seasons even starts.


This is the dumb comment. The formula stays the same, by and large, every year. There are no trick calculations done in the 10th week of the season. Sure, there are nuances (early season losses are less costly than late season losses) but the nuances are the same for every team, in every conference. And because the rules don't change in the middle of the season, you can't complain that you didn't see it coming.

Speaking of false, Team A beats Team B. Team B beats Team C. Team A is not better than Team C without more evidence. This is the fallacy that people keep trying to bring up as though it proves anything other than you did, in fact, attend an arithmetic class at some point during your education.

 
HeadLever [TotalFark] 2009-07-08 11:17:44 AM  
Dawg47: If they hate it so much, they can become independent and schedule whoever the fark they want. Auburn played a tough SEC schedule (4 games against teams that were otherwise 9-1) and got left out of a national title game. If Boise State didn't play six assclowns and barely beat SAN JOSE STATE, maybe they woulda gotten more respect.

No they can't. You still have to play by the rules dicated by the BCS. If you go independent, you are freed from the confrence rules and schedules. How good of a shot does Army have of getting into the NC if they go undefeated?

And Boise is forced to play those ass-clowns because that is the confrence they are in. It is not thier fault that the teams that are scheduld decide to suck that year. Having cupcakes in your confrence only gives the BCS confrences the additional excuse to exclude them.

/Oh, and BSU-33; San Jose State-13
//Seriously pay attention or you may be accuseed of being a paid BCS sympathizer

 
QU!RK1019 2009-07-08 11:18:30 AM  
Jomigero: I'm talking about smaller schools being given a slice of whatever pie the tournament makes, because the money would be collected by the NCAA and then distributed to schools with little regard to which ones brought the fans or TV ratings.

Ok, ok. I get what you're saying now. And I can't argue with that. But, the way your argument comes across is this:

The big schools make more money and therefore deserve to be the only ones with access to a championship.

But that's not how sports are supposed to work. If FIU had the best team in all of college football, but nobody came to their games or watched them on tv, and they have no tradition, they don't deserve to the chance to play for a championship?

 
Cheesus 2009-07-08 11:20:46 AM  
Jomigero: QU!RK1019: If you're talking about smaller schools are making money by fielding teams against the big schools, understand that this is happening in the current system. How does a playoff system act as more of an incentive that the current one?

I'm talking about smaller schools being given a slice of whatever pie the tournament makes, because the money would be collected by the NCAA and then distributed to schools with little regard to which ones brought the fans or TV ratings.

Lies. It'll probably be like basketball. Half of the money earned goes to the conferences based on how well they've performed in recent tournaments. Teams that get 1 team in and always lose in the 1st round barely get any. Powerhouse conferences like the Big East get $TEXAS$.

HeadLever: Have you ever heard of FCS (144 teams)? It seems to work for them just fine.

/but it is all about the money, right?

Exactly! If Utah wants a playoff, it can join the FCS, if it wants the money, then it can stay in the FBS. If it wants to win a national championship recognized by other selectors, then it can schedule more than 4 bowl teams in its regular season and not back out of a home game against Texas (new window). Utah needs to stop looking for handouts from more established programs. Why should Tennessee have to play an away game in a 45,017 person stadium when their stadium holds over 100,000? Utah needs to give them an incentive to, like the 2 for 1 series it had set up against Texas before canceling. For comparison, Florida played 9 bowl teams in the regular season (10 if you count Alabama) and Oklahoma played 7 (8 if you count Missouri). Next year, BYU is playing Oklahoma and Florida State. If BYU is the only undefeated with schedule like that, do you think they'll be kept out of the title game? Although it would help if they weren't playing Utah State and Tulane as well.


They backed out of that years ago when Meyer was still there. I can't find any information on why they backed out, but schools seem to do that all the time. BYU would be left out because the other teams in the Mountain West would probably drag their SOS down. Or other teams from power conferences go undefeated. Or Notre Dame pulls a 1 loss season out of their ass. Numerous possibilities. They may or may not get the opportunity regardless and that's wrong.

 
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