The doctor in question:

CPR doesn't always work.

Chariset: CPR doesn't always work.

Especially when you do it on a mattress.

Especially when you do it on a mattress.

Even better when you move the victim from the floor(where it should be performed) to the bed and then do it with the patient face down.

/fail fail fail death

doctor couldn't prescribe medicine in California, perform CPR evidently



/ Annie, are you OK ?

You only perform CPR on someone you want to save.

I'm sorry, did the article say that this man gets paid $150,000/month for being one man's doctor? Check-ups better come with happy endings.

deadapostle: Check-ups better come with happy endings.

For which one?

Chariset: CPR doesn't always work.

Usually doesn't work.

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The doctor in question:

Are you sure? I thought that it was this one...

Fear_and_Loathing: Chariset: CPR doesn't always work.

Usually doesn't work.

CPR works fine when done correctly. It's whether or not someone can get the person's heart kickstarted again so that you can stop doing CPR.

Chariset: CPR doesn't always work.

Sometimes you get Skittles
http://tinyurl.com/m6fxb8
(copy and paste)

veedeevadeevoodee: doctor couldn't prescribe medicine in California, perform CPR evidently



/ Annie, are you OK ?

I haven't LOLd that hard in a while, bravo!

Me thinks Dr. Murry is going to be hit by the prefect shiat storm. I would not want to be in his shoes right about now.

Answer: A microscope.

Question: What are they climbing up Dr. Murry's ass with?

How was he able to convince anyone to pay him 150,000 a month?

gorgor: Chariset: CPR doesn't always work.

Sometimes you get Skittles
http://tinyurl.com/m6fxb8
(copy and paste)

Great, now I'm hungry... But I'm not sure if it's for Skittles or babies...

HaywoodJablonski: How was he able to convince anyone to pay him 150,000 a month?

Michael Jackson, rest his soul, didn't seem to be all that discriminating with his money. Good lord he was friends with Uri Geller and that rabbi Boteach. He didn't have good fraud-dar.

He died a heart-related death and his doctor was a cardiologist.
Did he have a heart condition, psychic vision?

That man, whatever sins he may have committed, didnt deserve to be surrounded by the turds he was. He has been used and abused since he was 6 years old.

veedeevadeevoodee: / Annie, are you OK ?

Winner winner, chicken dinner

walkingtall: That man, whatever sins he may have committed, didnt deserve to be surrounded by the turds he was. He has been used and abused since he was 6 years old.



Pretty much says it all.

Chariset: CPR doesn't always work.

That depends. An unattended cardiac arrest usually doesn't have a good outcome. By the time the EMT's get there, the patient has usually been down for ten to twenty minutes.

But an attended arrest can have a much better outcome. You can keep a patient "alive," or at the very least viable for about half an hour, without further advanced intervention like epinephrine infusions.

Thing is, this is a cardiologist, on scene at the time of arrest. Now, granted, some people are just too sick to recover even IF you are there to start CPR immediately. Problem is this yahoo went and did CPR on a cushy mattress. Anyone who is first aid trained knows that's a bad idea.

Something they don't tell you in CPR class is that if you don't compress hard enough to break the ribs, you're not doing it right. You're not getting enough compression to move the blood around the body. So if you are on a mattress, you are doing basically nothing to help the patient. You're just bouncing him around.

Maybe Jackson would have died anyway, maybe he could have been saved. But this numb skull was paid handsomely to not help when it REALLY mattered, and instead just wrote unnecessary prescriptions to a celebrity who was deeply troubled because he just wanted an easy, very large paycheck.

Yep,

America has the best Drug dealers money can buy!

and the best Health Drug Care system too.

at least, that's what they said on TV.

and after all, they wouldn't lie to us on TV.

Recoil Therapy: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The doctor in question:

Are you sure? I thought that it was this one...

Could have been this one...


or even this one...

"Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a surgeon!"

Can someone explain this seemingly stupid regulation to me?

It appears that you need a federal number registered with the FDA in order to prescribe drugs if you're a doctor. However, this number is tied to the state you are practicing in?

Wait, why? Isn't it a federal number? Is this one of the things Obamamama was talking about when he said that we needed to invest some IT dollars into our healthcare infrastructure, because it sure seems to me like this is a huge waste of administration resources for something that probably doesn't work that well to start off with...

Pre cordial thump.


/don't think they teach that anymore.
//breaks ribs/sternum

TwistedFark: Wait, why? Isn't it a federal number?

States' Rights. Healthcare isn't "inter-state trade" (or hasn't been ruled as such yet AFAIK) so the Federal Government doesn't get involved.

Only one of the many, many reasons US healthcare is very, very inefficient and expensive.

I assume said doctor is in custody?

You get that kind of gig because of who you know, not what you know.

vabeard: Pre cordial thump.


/don't think they teach that anymore.
//breaks ribs/sternum

Also only works for defibulation. Only worked if the heart was already beating. Besides, it wasn't very effective, as most people can't hit hard enough to pause the heart and reset it back into rhythm.

El_Swino: You get that kind of gig because of who you know, not what you know. you run loose with your perscription pad and are willing to play a la carte pharmacy at the whims of your wealthy employer.

Not to use the meme, but I fixed that for you.

How come the Johnny Gage and Roy DeSoto on Emergency! were almost always able to save a person from cardiac arrest? Hasn't entertainment medicine advanced in the last 30 years?

Recoil Therapy: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The doctor in question:

Are you sure? I thought that it was this one...

Isn't that the guy from that James Garner movie, "Support Your Local Doctor."

Oh, he went to Hollywood Upstairs Medical College too? WoW!

Harry_Seldon: How come the Johnny Gage and Roy DeSoto on Emergency! were almost always able to save a person from cardiac arrest? Hasn't entertainment medicine advanced in the last 30 years?

That show is a favorite among the EMS field for it's cheesiness and extremely... Let's say "optimistic" view of the techniques at the time. It was probably one of the first shows that started the misconception that you shock a person and their heart goes from full arrest to beating again, and it's followed as fact to this day.

In reality, you need to have a shockable rhythm to actually be able to bring someone back to sinus. But people don't know that, because what they've seen on TV for years is a simplistic "no pulse, CLEAR!"

I bring this up, because it gives my patient's family false hopes sometimes. We attach the paddles, but if they are in full arrest and we can't get a spontaneous beat, we don't shock because it won't do any good. But the families are pissed when we call it, because they didn't see the familiar "CLEAR!" followed by the body jumping, and think we are just giving up.

/sorry, just needed to vent

Shadowknight: Harry_Seldon: How come the Johnny Gage and Roy DeSoto on Emergency! were almost always able to save a person from cardiac arrest? Hasn't entertainment medicine advanced in the last 30 years?

That show is a favorite among the EMS field for it's cheesiness and extremely... Let's say "optimistic" view of the techniques at the time. It was probably one of the first shows that started the misconception that you shock a person and their heart goes from full arrest to beating again, and it's followed as fact to this day.

In reality, you need to have a shockable rhythm to actually be able to bring someone back to sinus. But people don't know that, because what they've seen on TV for years is a simplistic "no pulse, CLEAR!"

I bring this up, because it gives my patient's family false hopes sometimes. We attach the paddles, but if they are in full arrest and we can't get a spontaneous beat, we don't shock because it won't do any good. But the families are pissed when we call it, because they didn't see the familiar "CLEAR!" followed by the body jumping, and think we are just giving up.

/sorry, just needed to vent

That is Conservative Republican Quitter talk. Is that CLEAR?

// I keed

Harry_Seldon: Hasn't entertainment medicine advanced in the last 30 years?

Medical entertainment has advanced, entertainment medicine? Not so much ;)

Shadowknight: Thing is, this is a cardiologist, on scene at the time of arrest. Now, granted, some people are just too sick to recover even IF you are there to start CPR immediately. Problem is this yahoo went and did CPR on a cushy mattress. Anyone who is first aid trained knows that's a bad idea.

Something they don't tell you in CPR class is that if you don't compress hard enough to break the ribs, you're not doing it right. You're not getting enough compression to move the blood around the body. So if you are on a mattress, you are doing basically nothing to help the patient. You're just bouncing him around.

Maybe Jackson would have died anyway, maybe he could have been saved. But this numb skull was paid handsomely to not help when it REALLY mattered, and instead just wrote unnecessary prescriptions to a celebrity who was deeply troubled because he just wanted an easy, very large paycheck.

The thing is, though, we really don't know how far gone MJ was when he found him. Maybe he knew it would be futile, but went through the motions anyway so that people didn't think he was not doing his job.

I'll be very interested to learn who got him the propofol.

veedeevadeevoodee: doctor couldn't prescribe medicine in California, perform CPR evidently



/ Annie, are you OK ?

She says she can't feel her legs.

Bindyree: veedeevadeevoodee: doctor couldn't prescribe medicine in California, perform CPR evidently



/ Annie, are you OK ?

She says she can't feel her legs.

Tell her to take her pants off. That might help.

Chariset: CPR doesn't always ever work except in movies.

Tommy Moo: Chariset: CPR doesn't always ever work except in movies.

CPR doesn't work in movies, either. Usually they do compressions for a minute or two, then start sobbing and beating them on the chest with their fists and shouting "LIVE DAMN YOU, LIVE! I love you dammit, you can't die!"

[citation: The Abyss, numerous others]

Cpr isn't as successful as you think.

Sorry to burst people's bubble... even if they do get you back, sometimes you're a vegetable...

According to my understanding, he not only tried to do the CPR on a mattress, but he also did it with one hand, with the other stabilizing the back. Those of you who've done compressions, how much force do you think you could get like that? Sandwiching the patient's chest between your two hands like an accordion.

SVC_conservative: you're a vegetable...

Yee haw!

DrMcNinja: According to my understanding, he not only tried to do the CPR on a mattress, but he also did it with one hand, with the other stabilizing the back. Those of you who've done compressions, how much force do you think you could get like that? Sandwiching the patient's chest between your two hands like an accordion.
you're force is transferred into the mattress. You need a good 1.5-2inches of depth to make a good compression. Should have dropped him to the floor asap, you're not strong enough to do it accordion style..

/Pumped a variety of chests... EMT here