genner: Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

Yes yes THIS is sound logic...

-_-

/hot like the fires of an angry nova.

Being a good person doesn't require God.


Funny, you'd never know that here....in fact, if farkers were the example people used, the world would assume that atheists are among the most mean and cruel human beings on the planet.

eqtworld

Where is thst?

Stays Crunchy in Milk: Kliffoth: This is obviously a War on Christianity.

Jesus wanted us to hate everything, it's really what he was all about.
Oh, and he was white and had long, straight hair and blue eyes.

Don't forget he also spoke american

Godscrack: For farks sake. It's just a billboard with words on it.

It's not like it's using any kind of threatening language to terrify those who are easily lead.

That first billboard, and its sentiment are really morally bankrupt. What kind of system is setup such that if you haven't followed the rules well enough for less than 100 years, you suffer eternal torment with no hope of rehabilitation. This is not what I would describe as a 'loving' arrangement. Its really one big sting operation. Set you up in a scheme with 'temptations' just so that you can fail.

m2313: Vampirococcus rocks: GOD doesn't listen to your prayers unless you tithe.

And even then he never does anything about it.

That's why I always pray to the Jug Of Milk, that way I'm assured of results.

phatbeatz: that is a harsh generalization you make that atheists are all amoral heathens. i don't classify myself as atheist, but i know people that do and honestly, they tend to harbor more good intent than a lot of the christians i know.

One of the very first things that started turning me away from religion was when I realized in high school that most people I knew who were the most vocal about their faith were also the ones who engaged in behavior counter to their professed beliefs the most frequently.

safety-math: I think religious billboards are silly in general. An atheism one, maybe even more so, because some god-fearing motorist isn't going to see it and suddenly have a revelation..."Wait! You don't have to believe in God to be a good person?!" Realizing that, when one has been brought up Christian, takes a lot more effort. In most cases, anyways.

As indicated by the message, the intent is not to convert non-atheists. The purpose is to organize the existing atheists into a more cohesive community. Which you probably also think is a stupid idea, if you're like most Farkers.

These threads have posturing in them than a high school play.

Carry on. : )

Am I the only one who sees "Big Mama" as a black Nancy Grace, with a different target for her outrage?

genner:
Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

I like people. I don't know if it's upbringing, or chemical processess occurring in my head, but go figure.

Besides, wishing for a nicer world is simply logical. The more niceness to go around, the more likely you are to encounter some yourself.

I mean, is the only reason you care about people because you'll be rewarded for it by God?

DarkLancelot: genner: PlatinumDragon: If you don't believe in a imortal soul why do you care about what happens 100 years from now?

Why is belief in an immortal soul related, at all, to concern about the future of humanity?

Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

Because I'm a human, which is a pack animal. I want my pack to thrive as they will include my progeny. Why do I need an immortal soul to hope for continual human progress?

Does your whole system of empathy revolve around your ability to reproduce? What happens to people who don't have kids?

Godscrack: For farks sake. It's just a billboard with words on it.

It's not like it's using any kind of threatening language to terrify those who are easily lead.

We have one relatively near-by that says "HELL is real" with Hell in big flame-filled letters.

No, not threatening at all.

vertiaset: One of my main problems with atheists is that all too often in abandoning their faith they also abandon any sense of morality.

citation needed

DarkLancelot: genner: PlatinumDragon: If you don't believe in a imortal soul why do you care about what happens 100 years from now?

Why is belief in an immortal soul related, at all, to concern about the future of humanity?

Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

Because I'm a human, which is a pack animal. I want my pack to thrive as they will include my progeny. Why do I need an immortal soul to hope for continual human progress?

THIS! What the fundies don't understand is athiests do "the right thing" because it is good for humanity, "believers" do it so they can earn a ticket to their exclusive afterlife party.

Memo to these idiots: Freedom of Speech doesn't apply just to those you agree with it. Either put up your own billboard, or go move to North Korea.

1)farkshower:
letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Calling 'Atheism' a religion is like calling 'Bald' a hair color.
wow...can I borrow that?...

2)jso2897
"Why, if I had a nickel for every Chinaman who's stolen my apricots, Shia LeBouf would be president of Guam!"
you are my hero,although I have no clue what that means....

genner: If you don't believe in a imortal soul why do you care about what happens 100 years from now?

Understanding I am irrecoverably gone when I die does not mean my wants for the future of my children and further are any less true. If I feel good about doing good, I need no other rationale than my genetic predisposition towards altruism.

genner:
Does your whole system of empathy revolve around your ability to reproduce? What happens to people who don't have kids?

That's silly, non-reproductive members of a pack can still be very beneficial.

libbynomore2: Being a good person doesn't require God.


Funny, you'd never know that here....in fact, if farkers were the example people used, the world would assume that atheists are among the most mean and cruel human beings on the planet.

"Mean" and "cruel" are pretty strong words for people who back up their views with bombs and bullets to be applying to people who just talk too much.

vertiaset: G2V
vertiaset:
One of my main problems with atheists is that all too often in abandoning their faith they also abandon any sense of morality. Many, certainly not all, become moral relativists or, even worse, amoral.

One of my main problems with religious people is that many, certainly not all, churches require you to kill someone and bathe in their blood in order to be baptised. Also, they are commanded by god to kill one unbeliever per week or, even worse, to commit drive by strafings of churches of different belief systems.

Durrr ... durrr ...

Drr...drr... (new window)(Warning. Major nightmare fuel)

/first thing I thought of when reading your comment.

bunner: These threads have posturing in them than a high school play.

Carry on. : )

O! NOW you've gone and done it!

Carry on my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry no more

Once I rose above the noise and confusion
Just to get a glimpse beyond this illusion
I was soaring ever higher
But I flew too high

Though my eyes could see I still was a blind man
Though my mind could think I still was a mad man
I hear the voices when I'm dreaming
I can hear them say

Masquerading as a man with a reason
My charade is the event of the season
And if I claim to be a wise man, well
It surely means that I don't know

On a stormy sea of moving emotion
Tossed about I'm like a ship on the ocean
I set a course for winds of fortune
But I hear the voices say

No!

Carry on, you will always remember
Carry on, nothing equals the splendor
The center lights around your vanity
But surely heaven waits for you

Carry on my wayward son
There'll be peace when you are done
Lay your weary head to rest
Don't you cry (don't you cry no more)

genner: PlatinumDragon: If you don't believe in a imortal soul why do you care about what happens 100 years from now?

Why is belief in an immortal soul related, at all, to concern about the future of humanity?

Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

If we have to explain it to you, then you wouldn't understand anyway. People like you remind me why most people still need a God to believe in, in order to maintain their own morality and therefore civil order.

genner: DarkLancelot: genner: PlatinumDragon: If you don't believe in a imortal soul why do you care about what happens 100 years from now?

Why is belief in an immortal soul related, at all, to concern about the future of humanity?

Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

Because I'm a human, which is a pack animal. I want my pack to thrive as they will include my progeny. Why do I need an immortal soul to hope for continual human progress?

Does your whole system of empathy revolve around your ability to reproduce? What happens to people who don't have kids?

Of course not; family isn't the sole social group humans belong to. I want my country to thrive in the future. I want my ideals, which I can pass on through any number of relationships and records, to outlive me. I want humans in general to thrive, because as a human, I feel empathy with others even though I may never know them.

/2 cents

vertiaset: One of my main problems with atheists is that all too often in abandoning their faith they also abandon any sense of morality. Many, certainly not all, become moral relativists or, even worse, amoral. After all, if man is the measure of all things and there is no right or wrong, just "things people do", then there is no evil and, conversely, no good.

What a strange ... and dangerous ... world view.

Christians really shouldn't play the morality card.

genner: Does your whole system of empathy revolve around your ability to reproduce? What happens to people who don't have kids?

I don't have kids, but I still have hope for the future of humanity when I'm gone. Actions by others before me have led to me having a good like, which I've enjoyed immensely. People after me will enjoy their lives as well, hopefully with some positive influence I've left, but no matter if not. I won't be around either way, so it hurts nothing and costs little effort for me to hope for their bright future.

What is your hope for humanity's future?

>> Football skills (but from.....)
>> racism from ignorant black racists that are ignorant but we have to give them the stage

vertiaset: Jubeebee

One of the very first things that started turning me away from religion was when I realized in high school that most people I knew who were the most vocal about their faith were also the ones who engaged in behavior counter to their professed beliefs the most frequently.


Atheist rationalization #212: The community of the faithful contains sinners, hypocrites and others who are less than perfect. Therefore, God does not exist.

Atheist rationalization #213: The community of the faithful contains people who are deluded enough to believe anyone actually thinks the way presented in Atheist Rationalization #212. It is unlikely a omnipotent being would create a species capable of rational thought, yet intentionally leave some of its members so incapable of it that they're willing to spew such bilge, while simultaneously allowing for these to be the very people cheerleading him the most. Therefore, God is either incompetent at his job, uncaring of what occurs, or doesn't exist.

Atheist rationalization #214: There actually are no Christians any longer, just idiots who troll from their mothers' basements on messageboards.

James F. Campbell: My wish is that a hundred years from now, people look at Christianity, Islam, and Judaism in the same manner that we presently look at Greek mythology.

Don't worry, by then we'll all have adopted Scientology as the one true religion.

I am really sick of these intolerant people who believe if your not chritstian you have no right to be an American.

You know, it's not exactly that simple, but I'm a fan of this quote. Despite other debates certain to rage in this thread until it dies with a whimper, this really is about free speech.

As an aside, I don't recall myself or any of my non-believing friends getting in a huff over the umpteen gazillion God-related billboards all over this nation. In fact, I don't recall so much a casual conversation when passing one on an interstate.

It's a farking sign. Get over it.

G2V: genner:
Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

I like people. I don't know if it's upbringing, or chemical processess occurring in my head, but go figure.

Besides, wishing for a nicer world is simply logical. The more niceness to go around, the more likely you are to encounter some yourself.


I mean, is the only reason you care about people because you'll be rewarded for it by God?

That's fine in the short term. The question was about a 100 years in the future. You'll be dead so no niceness will come to you.

As for my motivation no...it's not all about rewards or punishments. I follow God because I actually like the guy.

jso2897: Hey - I can do this all day long! :D

If only more men had such great faith as you.

Farkshower1972: letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Calling 'Atheism' a religion is like calling 'Bald' a hair color.

*snicker* Gotta remember that one...excellent!

vertiaset: Jubeebee

One of the very first things that started turning me away from religion was when I realized in high school that most people I knew who were the most vocal about their faith were also the ones who engaged in behavior counter to their professed beliefs the most frequently.


Atheist rationalization #212: The community of the faithful contains sinners, hypocrites and others who are less than perfect. Therefore, God does not exist.

That's quite a leap, and isn't one that I took.

It was merely the first step in realizing that being religious doesn't mean you're a good person, and being a good person doesn't mean you have to be religious.

That was a big step to take, but it wasn't the absurdity you're trying to project.

G2V: That being said, I hate when atheists call themselves "Free thinkers," as an implicit differentiation between themselves and the religious. Yeah, that'll win people over.

I thought I might chime in with this, but atheists are unified by nothing more than a lack of belief in a deity. Many don't want to be represented by atheist organizations, perhaps with differing agendas, and some argue against the label 'atheist' entirely. Probably not the largest factor in choice of label, however.

Numerous people who might otherwise part from organized religion yet possess belief in a deity or supernatural occurrences (the supernatural is often frowned upon by atheists, thus souls and similar don't mesh too well) wouldn't join with a strictly atheistic organization. People who may not even part from organized religion but differ from the influence of organized religion outside of the adherents themselves wouldn't join a strictly atheistic organization, either. I know a few of both groups who exist, a few non-denomination theists, a couple deists, and a few Christians who would prefer the state and church do not mingle.

Further, the term "Free-Thinker" does not imply the religious are slaves or similar, in the same way being "Gay" does not imply heterosexuals are unhappy. Previously expressed were the roots of this word, too, which is an important part.

Moron Christians sacrifice their children to fight wars of aggression for the banksters,wall street and their masters in Tel Aviv.
Check out how many jewish kids are getting shot at in Iraq,Afghanistan and now Pakistan!

This is how this plays out:
The local yokels discover that they can't legally have the billboard removed.
They torch it.
The burning debris falls on the businesses they own, and burns them down.
They all hold hands a praise the Lord for his infinite wisdom and mercy.
The Aristocrats!

Whoops! Meant to quote Corvus, as in,

Corvus: I am really sick of these intolerant people who believe if your not chritstian you have no right to be an American.

letrole: jso2897: Hey - I can do this all day long! :D

If only more men had such great faith as you.

Yeah. If only. :D

Stay Cool Babylon: I am really sick of these intolerant people who believe if your not chritstian you have no right to be an American.

You know, it's not exactly that simple, but I'm a fan of this quote. Despite other debates certain to rage in this thread until it dies with a whimper, this really is about free speech.

As an aside, I don't recall myself or any of my non-believing friends getting in a huff over the umpteen gazillion God-related billboards all over this nation. In fact, I don't recall so much a casual conversation when passing one on an interstate.

It's a farking sign. Get over it.

Amen. Left, right, Christian, or atheist, people are too sensitive nowadays. Short of the sign causing wrecks or being explicitly vulgar, do whatever the heck you want on them within your region's laws for billboards.

/actually likes our HELL is Real sign
//looks like it was designed by a 4 year old, makes me giggle

Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

I would like to exit the game thinking that the people who come after me will do alright in their own lives, that others will be happy and fulfilled in this world, that the efforts of those to create a better world won't be in vain.

It sounds crazy, but I actually like people (and, by extension, all life). I think life is inherently valuable simply for being able to exist. Life is a force of nature; how it started or where it will go remain unknowns to us, but it's pretty neat to be among all of... this.

The reward for living a good life is seeing the positive effects you have on others - and if your positive efforts are counteracted by the negative efforts of others who don't quite get it, that's no excuse to be a jerk yourself.

jso2897: This is how this plays out:
The local yokels discover that they can't legally have the billboard removed.
They torch it.
The burning debris falls on the businesses they own, and burns them down.
They all hold hands a praise the Lord for his infinite wisdom and mercy.
The Aristocrats!

To paraphrase an earlier Fark headline: "It'd be funny if it weren't so goddamn sad."

Because what you described is likely exactly what will happen, with slight if any modifications.

Vangor: genner: If you don't believe in a imortal soul why do you care about what happens 100 years from now?

Understanding I am irrecoverably gone when I die does not mean my wants for the future of my children and further are any less true. If I feel good about doing good, I need no other rationale than my genetic predisposition towards altruism.

What if it didn't feel good?
It doesn't always.

Jubeebee: phatbeatz: that is a harsh generalization you make that atheists are all amoral heathens. i don't classify myself as atheist, but i know people that do and honestly, they tend to harbor more good intent than a lot of the christians i know.

One of the very first things that started turning me away from religion was when I realized in high school that most people I knew who were the most vocal about their faith were also the ones who engaged in behavior counter to their professed beliefs the most frequently.

Supposedly, that's what inspired Anton LaVey to start the Church of Satan. He was a professional musician in the Bible Belt, and had two regular gigs, as the house band in a whorehouse on Friday and Saturday nights, and playing the piano in church on Sundays.

He said those that those that hollered and screamed the loudest in church, were the ones screaming the loudest were the ones that were just stumbling out of the whorehouse a few hours earlier.

genner: G2V: genner:
Simple you'll be dead in a 100 years. With no soul no continue and no god to reward you why do you care?

I like people. I don't know if it's upbringing, or chemical processess occurring in my head, but go figure.

Besides, wishing for a nicer world is simply logical. The more niceness to go around, the more likely you are to encounter some yourself.


I mean, is the only reason you care about people because you'll be rewarded for it by God?

That's fine in the short term. The question was about a 100 years in the future. You'll be dead so no niceness will come to you.

As for my motivation no...it's not all about rewards or punishments. I follow God because I actually like the guy.

You will never understand the mindset of a moral atheist who cares about the future of humanity regardless of personal reward. So please, just give up trying.

W. T. Fark: jso2897: letrole: Plastic is a philosophy.


I agree with the rest, but this one's a bit of a stretch.

Never been to L.A.?

This is just such a non issue, really.

/Non-confrontational Christian