This is a very ignorant article. Luna 15 is well known. In addition, it was UNMANNED so it was ZERO competition to Apollo 11 even at the time. Even if it had landed successfully Apollo 11 would STILL have been the first manned moon landing. The two missions are not even comparable, and not even the Soviets would have tried to pass off Luna 15 as a competition with Apollo 11.

It was an attempt to return lunar soil to earth and that is all it was.

Silly.

arkansas: This is a very ignorant article. Luna 15 is well known. In addition, it was UNMANNED so it was ZERO competition to Apollo 11 even at the time. Even if it had landed successfully Apollo 11 would STILL have been the first manned moon landing. The two missions are not even comparable, and not even the Soviets would have tried to pass off Luna 15 as a competition with Apollo 11.

It was an attempt to return lunar soil to earth and that is all it was.

Silly.

Yeah, it's just an attempt to stir up controversy where none need exist. So the Russians flung something into the moon, it in no way puts them ahead of the Americans in the race to the moon. That's like firing a gun down the 100m race track and saying your bullet got to the end first thus you win.

Or is it?

Proving once again that the Soviet's Germans weren't as good as our Germans.

/wait, wut?

Hey Subby, we're coming up on the 40th anniversary of this being old news.

FTFA:

The recordings from Jodrell's Lovell radio telescope, which were hidden in archives until researchers found them, show the Russian craft orbited the Moon and crash-landed onto its surface at 15:50 on July 21 - just a few hours before the Americans lifted off.

Subtard fails

It crashed about a day after Armstrong and Aldrin safely landed. The Soviets had "lost" the "space race" after Korolov died and their big lunar rocket exploded on the ground in 1967.

bingethinker: we're coming up on the 40th anniversary of this being old news.

Get off my lawn!

Watched the landing on T.V., in Omaha Nebraska with a bulldog named Orey. Black and white T.V. and late. It was the day we arrived at S.A.C.. Oh, and there was a "Police Action" going on and the Cold War was pretty hot.

It was pretty much the height of American achievement, well except for maybe the first shuttle flight.

Apollo 11's Eagle lifted off from the lunar surface at 17:54 UTC on July 21. I think that's what subby means. If the impact time is correct, then so is he, but he meant liftoff from the Moon, not the Earth.

arkansas: This is a very ignorant article. Luna 15 is well known. In addition, it was UNMANNED so it was ZERO competition to Apollo 11 even at the time. Even if it had landed successfully Apollo 11 would STILL have been the first manned moon landing. The two missions are not even comparable, and not even the Soviets would have tried to pass off Luna 15 as a competition with Apollo 11.

It was an attempt to return lunar soil to earth and that is all it was.

Silly.

Pretty much what I came here to say. NASA was well aware of Luna 15 and if I recall correctly NASA and/or USAF were tracking it to make sure it didn't come anywhere near Apollo 11.

You are *all* drinking the same stupid kool-aid!

The pictures taken from the surface show shadows on the surface pointing in different directions. These *prove* that a photoshop-like program generated these pictures!

and there were no STARS in any of these pictures! With the moon's lack of atmosphere how can this possibly be?!?

and some pictures taken miles apart have the same backgrounds. That's just lazy.

so, go ahead and get distracted by the Russian angle. That's just what *they* want!

Crashing doesn't count.

Unmanned is a very different story than manned. the difficulty is MUCH higher with manned missions. and MUCH more expensive too.

eqtworld: To this day, the Russians have spent more man hours in space than we have, with less fatalities per man hour.

Although, haven't the Russians actually lost people IN space?
As far as I recall, the Americans killed in the course of the space programs have always been within our atmosphere.

Wait just a second here... are you guys implying that the Russians invaded a soundstage in Nevada in 1969????

Linux_Yes: Crashing doesn't count.

Unmanned is a very different story than manned. the difficulty is MUCH higher with manned missions. and MUCH more expensive too.

and nobody minds losing a few bits of metal.

And to think a decade later we're doing the exact same thing, crashing shiat into the moon.

So the Russians crash landed an unmanned spacecraft into the Southwestern United States?

Postal Penguin 2009-07-05 07:53:00 PM
And to think a decade later we're doing the exact same thing, crashing shiat into the moon.

Yeah, but at when we do it, it's intentional.

eqtworld: Caeldan: eqtworld: To this day, the Russians have spent more man hours in space than we have, with less fatalities per man hour.

Although, haven't the Russians actually lost people IN space?
As far as I recall, the Americans killed in the course of the space programs have always been within our atmosphere.

I don't think so, but I don't see it as much consolation to say "although you are more likely to die on this mission, you will at least burn up over Texas and your body parts will fall on 3 states- but technically your death will be within the atmosphere"

They also had a nasty habit of being less than forthcoming as to their accidents, and did launches in locations where there were few witnesses.

We may have lost more people than they are, but I have trouble believing they actually disclosed all of their accidents in the 50's and 60's.

eqtworld: Elzar: So the Russians crash landed an unmanned spacecraft into the Southwestern United States?

It's sad how lazy we became in the 70s, it's like they were not even trying to make it look realistic anymore.

Breathe. The word is "breathe", with an "e" at the end. Breathe.

/THERE IS NOT ENOUGH AIR TO BREATH ON MARS YOU JERK

*not fooled*

Well, gentlemen, I think we all know what we need to do in light of these revelations.

We have the technology.

Children are our future.

America, can, should, must, and will blow up the moon!

SOVIET MICROCHIPS - BIGGEST MICROCHIPS IN THE WORLD

So what? I read about NASA and whatever the Soviet space agency was talking to each other to make sure that they would not collide on their respective missions. Uh, America had many people on the moon. Nobody else has. The whole world was watching the TV when Lance Armsrtrong said, "This is one small step for mankind and one giant leap for one-balled assholes." Then he sped around the moon on a bicycle.

50 year old news is old.

/read this in a textbook in elementary school

SharkTrager:
We may have lost more people than they are, but I have trouble believing they actually disclosed all of their accidents in the 50's and 60's.

I don't. Even back then, it was hard to cover this stuff up, and had we known about it, we'd air it to the world. In fact, there's very little evidence they lost anyone prior to Vladimir Komarov in Soyuz 1. That event was well known back then - a memorial was left on the moon by Apollo 11.

Human carrying spacecraft tend to communicate by radio, which makes hiding anything difficult.

I'll bet there were a few startled people when that thing crashed into the sound stage.

Only_A_Lad: Well, gentlemen, I think we all know what we need to do in light of these revelations.

We have the technology.

Children are our future.

America, can, should, must, and will blow up the moon because it's gay!

FTFY.

eqtworld: Elzar: So the Russians crash landed an unmanned spacecraft into the Southwestern United States?

It's sad how lazy we became in the 70s, it's like they were not even trying to make it look realistic anymore.


/THERE IS NOT ENOUGH AIR TO BREATH ON MARS YOU JERK

*not fooled*

And then the probe attacked Steve Austin - along with Bigfoot, who I don't think was ever involved with NASA, so it was obviously fake.

/Did anyone mention Luna 15 crashing on a soundstage yet?

Churchill2004: Pretty much what I came here to say. NASA was well aware of Luna 15 and if I recall correctly NASA and/or USAF were tracking it to make sure it didn't come anywhere near Apollo 11.

This hits on one of the more stupid aspects of the Moon hoax claims. The United States could easily track Russian probes and spacecraft and the Russians could easily track ours. If either side claimed to have gone to the Moon when they in fact had not, the other side would have immediately known and would have pointed it out. The Russians tracking their Luna 15 probe would have also seen Apollo 11.

PsychoPhil: SharkTrager:
We may have lost more people than they are, but I have trouble believing they actually disclosed all of their accidents in the 50's and 60's.

I don't. Even back then, it was hard to cover this stuff up, and had we known about it, we'd air it to the world. In fact, there's very little evidence they lost anyone prior to Vladimir Komarov in Soyuz 1. That event was well known back then - a memorial was left on the moon by Apollo 11.

Human carrying spacecraft tend to communicate by radio, which makes hiding anything difficult.

Assuming they got off the launchpad. Covering up an accident prior to or immediately following a launch before the advent of satellite observation would not have been that tough for the Soviets.

eqtworld: Elzar: So the Russians crash landed an unmanned spacecraft into the Southwestern United States?

It's sad how lazy we became in the 70s, it's like they were not even trying to make it look realistic anymore.

/THERE IS NOT ENOUGH AIR TO BREATH ON MARS YOU JERK

*not fooled*

Goddamn you, Zspot! Of all my pics, this is the one I have never, ever found a use for. Today - this thread specifically - was to be my crowning achievement. I will now mock everything you stand for. As soon as I find out what that is.

/good jorb

"I say, this has really been drama of the highest order."


No. No, man. Shiat, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man.

/Link hot like the sun

It wouldn't matter. The moon belongs to America.

Good luck, Mr. Gorsky

ryant123: It wouldn't matter. The moon belongs to America.



Yup, Superman did eventually win this fight.

/didn't know the Nuclear Man was Russian though....

TheMysteriousStranger: This hits on one of the more stupid aspects of the Moon hoax claims. The United States could easily track Russian probes and spacecraft and the Russians could easily track ours. If either side claimed to have gone to the Moon when they in fact had not, the other side would have immediately known and would have pointed it out. The Russians tracking their Luna 15 probe would have also seen Apollo 11.

The USA paid off the Soviets with some grain shipments. Those Russians really love their bread, and so they considered this a fair trade for a potential international propaganda coup.

I tried to warn you, but you didnt listen

12349876: Linux_Yes: Crashing doesn't count.

Unmanned is a very different story than manned. the difficulty is MUCH higher with manned missions. and MUCH more expensive too.

and nobody minds losing a few bits of metal.


DISASSEMBLE = DEAD?!

/begs to differ
//hot like a SAINT's laser

southparkk420: 50 year old news is old.

/read this in a textbook in elementary school

50 years? Aren't you off by a decade?

The Russians may have spent more time in space, but we've sent more people into space. A lot of those who spent lots of time in space were there because they were reusable cosmonauts who stay in the space program much longer then your typical astronaut.

All out space nerd rage today on FARK.

So the Ruskies threw a craft at the moon. So what. We threw a pretty good missle at Mars a few years ago. We still had Bobby Fischer and Tang.

Vague memory reminds me that the crashed Russian mission included a moon rover that looked like a porcelain bathtub with bicycle wheels. Pics, anyone?

Postal Penguin: And to think a decade later we're doing the exact same thing, crashing shiat into the moon.

Decade? Your comment makes little George's head hurt.

Therion: Vague memory reminds me that the crashed Russian mission included a moon rover that looked like a porcelain bathtub with bicycle wheels. Pics, anyone?

Link (new window)

Here it is.

Okay, never mind, got it -



Also found a nice collection of some relatively obscure pics from the US space program -
http://americanpicturelinks.com/Moon.htm (new window)

torquestripe: Here it is.

Nachos garcias.

wjllope: You are *all* drinking the same stupid kool-aid!

The pictures taken from the surface show shadows on the surface pointing in different directions. These *prove* that a photoshop-like program generated these pictures!

and there were no STARS in any of these pictures! With the moon's lack of atmosphere how can this possibly be?!?

and some pictures taken miles apart have the same backgrounds. That's just lazy.

so, go ahead and get distracted by the Russian angle. That's just what *they* want!



Keep up the good fight, bro.

I thought this was what the Ruskies sent to the moon:



/ obscure?

portscanner: I thought this was what the Ruskies sent to the moon:



/ obscure?

That farkin' thing terrified me as a kid.

Steve Austin fought it TWICE.

This was well known even in 1969. The Russian's goal was to bring home a sample of moon soil before Apollo 11 returned to earth. Even Walter Cronkite made mention of this failure DURING the coverage of Apollo 11.

For a real interesting take on the space race check out the 1968 movie "Countdown" Filmed in 1967 it shows how the moon could have been reached with a modified GEMINI capsule. If you sent one guy one way. NASA seriously considered every idea in this movie because they were afraid that the Russians could beat them even at this late a date.

The main reason Apollo 8 was sent around the moon was because NASA even in 1968 was afraid that they were behind the Soviets. Apollo 8 effectively ended the space race.