tenpoundsofcheese: And that is why we have the high cost of health care. People ripping off the system raises the costs for everyone.

People don't typically rip off a system that isn't flawed. The first reason would technically be that you couldn't if it weren't flawed, but beyond that, not many people feel bad ripping off an insurance company that will drop you at the moment you commit the sin of getting sick. Just like not many employees feel bad taking some liberties on an expense report when you're working for a company who will fire you at the drop of a hat because the CEO's stock price hasn't gone up enough lately.

One major problem with the U.S. is that everyone views making money at every single turn as being some kind of virtue. I'm not saying that capitalism is bad. It's not. But runaway greed is. We have a trickle down degeneration of ethical fabric. As a general rule, people treat each other like shiat in this country if money is involved.

torquestripe: Can we also recoup all of those welfare payments somehow?
Because as many of you are saying these government expenses are not free and need to be repaid by the estate of the decedent.
Oh, Liberals only want to get back payments from a veterans estate?

what? did you rtfa?
the treatment was not free and payment was expected.
welfare is free and no repayment is expected

a great example of government run healthcare on a small scale. Can't wait till it goes national,

Medicaid is welfare. It is welfare exactly the same as food stamps or the monthly checks that go to single mothers with 5 kids and no job. If the lady in the story had been married to the deceased, she would have been allowed to stay on the property (in TN, anyway) until she died. No little old wives or husbands are being thrown out on the street. Live-in girlfriends and adult children, however, are not protected. The state could have easily told this man, "You need to sell your house and after you've spent that $70,000 on your care, we'll start paying." Instead, the state did not touch this man's property while he was alive. If he had wanted to die in his home, he could have. Now that he is dead and clearly not in need of it,it's time for the state to try to recoup some of what they spent on this man. I think it's a very humane system that helps chronically ill people and their spouses when they most need it. I am a social worker in a nursing home, and I explain this to people every single day. I'm sure he was told; but maybe the live-in caregiver was not told. She, unfortunately, is screwed. If he'd put the property in her name 5 years ago, though, she'd be free and clear. So if you're living with and caring for someone who says you can have it all when they die, you better get it early, or hope they never go in the nursing home.

/Buy long-term care insurance. I do.

And the new guy in charge, the same one who floated a proposal to have war wounded pay for their medical care through their private insurance policies?

All the leftist blogs' favorite general, Eric Shinseki.

The way certain individuals carry on about "personal responsibility" and how veterans of our wars don't deserve any breaks or special favors makes me seriously question why anyone would put their life on the line for this farked-up piece of shiat country full of selfish assholes. I sure wouldn't.

KiwDaWabbit: tenpoundsofcheese: And that is why we have the high cost of health care. People ripping off the system raises the costs for everyone.

People don't typically rip off a system that isn't flawed. The first reason would technically be that you couldn't if it weren't flawed, but beyond that, not many people feel bad ripping off an insurance company that will drop you at the moment you commit the sin of getting sick. Just like not many employees feel bad taking some liberties on an expense report when you're working for a company who will fire you at the drop of a hat because the CEO's stock price hasn't gone up enough lately.

One major problem with the U.S. is that everyone views making money at every single turn as being some kind of virtue. I'm not saying that capitalism is bad. It's not. But runaway greed is. We have a trickle down degeneration of ethical fabric. As a general rule, people treat each other like shiat in this country if money is involved.

What a joke. Do you think there is any system that isn't flawed in some way?!
Nice hyperbole about insurance companies dropping people when they get sick. Does it happen? Sure? Is it a pandemic? No. I know plenty of people who got far more health benefits than they paid in and are still covered.

Typical libtard hyperbole. The "problem" you are referring to is that people believed that just because they work at a company for 10 years they are entitled to work their for 11 years.

People get fired when when they aren't worth the money.
People quit when they think they can make better money or have better opportunities elsewhere.

But it is clear you don't know what you are talking about and just repeating libtard talking points. Example. the CEO doesn't have a stock price.

Ennuipoet: In Rome, during the late Republic, the Veterans would come home from the wars to find all they had was taken in taxes and sold to the rich. Their lands were tilled by slaves and they were left penniless and broken to fend for themselves as best they could. These men were promised land and rewards for their service and paid with poverty. Men trained by the State in the art and science of war are dangerous tools, without hope they may be wielded by dangerous men. The Republic fell in the small part to this kind of behavior when Caesar and subsequent Emperors provided for the welfare of the Veterans to curry support.

I'm just saying, you know, history is pretty interesting.

Interesting story. I don't see the analogy in this case though. He wasn't paying back the VA, he was paying back the state's medicaid, which was covering an accident he sustained as a civilian. This is in fact, a state issue.

olddinosaur: Pretty much hogwash.

When you die, what you have stands good for what you owe. If there is a surplus, your heirs inherit, but if there's a shortfall, your creditors lose.

That is why all my property is tied up in a living trust, where I have "sold" it to various people for $10o cash in hand and "other good and valuable considerations," but while I am alive I have full use of the property--as well as the right to cancel the sale at any time, upon refund of $10, and the buyer has no recourse.

Thus when I croak, other people get all my property instantly, there are no wills, no courts, no lawyers--nothing.

If you sue, $10 is all you collect.

If the guy didn't have his stuff in order, it was all his own fault.

um k. good luck with that buddy.

svenbertil: Nice living in a country with public health care.

Not sure what point you're trying to make, but his accident happened in 1990.

CruJones: This just in: Debts owed will be levied against your estate.

As they should be.

Or, in other words, patriotism is for suckers, uh?

tenpoundsofcheese:
What a joke. Do you think there is any system that isn't flawed in some way?!

Nice hyperbole about insurance companies dropping people when they get sick. Does it happen? Sure? Is it a pandemic? No. I know plenty of people who got far more health benefits than they paid in and are still covered.

Typical libtard hyperbole. The "problem" you are referring to is that people believed that just because they work at a company for 10 years they are entitled to work their for 11 years.

People get fired when when they aren't worth the money.
People quit when they think they can make better money or have better opportunities elsewhere.

But it is clear you don't know what you are talking about and just repeating libtard talking points. Example. the CEO doesn't have a stock price.

CEO's don't typically own stock in the companies they run? Okay.

It's also funny how you accuse me of having "libtard" talking points when I haven't heard any "libtards" using these talking points. It sounds like a case of protesting too much, as if maybe you were using the talking point that pervasive fraud is making everyone's insurance rates skyrocket. Yeah, that's it. It's not greed, it's everyone conspiring to gang up on the poor insurance companies. Let me get out my violin.

poisonedpawn78: Anyone who thinks the system you have now for healthcare is better than the way most other socialized countries run theirs are complete fools.

Every story like this should reinforce why the system needs to change, but then again, nobody cares until it happens to them. So aslong as its not happening to you, good old capitalism belongs in healthcare right?

Actually moron, you proved the exact opposite of the point you were trying to make. This is what happens when government gets involved. If you think that this will not happen to compulsory government health care where the government robs estates of everyone, rich or poor, to pay obscene inflated medical bills the government says they are owed, you are a fool. I am sure you also think that some bureaucrat in washington will not look at your race and age and dictate if your surgery and life is more valuable than the guy next to you... If you are lucky and don't die when that happens and get approved, after a year waiting for that decision you can get on the 1 year waiting list! Hope you don't die in that process.... SIGN ME UP FOR THAT!!!! RAWRGGGRBLE HMO PPO's SUCK!

What happened here is a microcosm of what is wrong with socialized medicine... Because, you know, VA care/medicaid/medicare is socialzed medicine, and look how craptastic that is.

I swear people in this country are farking retards.

KiwDaWabbit: tenpoundsofcheese:
What a joke. Do you think there is any system that isn't flawed in some way?!

Nice hyperbole about insurance companies dropping people when they get sick. Does it happen? Sure? Is it a pandemic? No. I know plenty of people who got far more health benefits than they paid in and are still covered.

Typical libtard hyperbole. The "problem" you are referring to is that people believed that just because they work at a company for 10 years they are entitled to work their for 11 years.

People get fired when when they aren't worth the money.
People quit when they think they can make better money or have better opportunities elsewhere.

But it is clear you don't know what you are talking about and just repeating libtard talking points. Example. the CEO doesn't have a stock price.

CEO's don't typically own stock in the companies they run? Okay.


you wrote: "because the CEO's stock price hasn't gone up enough lately"
the CEO doesn't have a stock price. The STOCK has a stock price. See, that's why the call it a "stock price".

NExD:

If done correctly, it would be better for most people. The problem is that people tend to misunderstand what "most people" actually means. It would immediately improve the situations of the 47 million (or whatever it is now) without health insurance. It might make my personal wealth situation worse, for example.

Cataholic: olddinosaur: Pretty much hogwash.

When you die, what you have stands good for what you owe. If there is a surplus, your heirs inherit, but if there's a shortfall, your creditors lose.

That is why all my property is tied up in a living trust, where I have "sold" it to various people for $10o cash in hand and "other good and valuable considerations," but while I am alive I have full use of the property--as well as the right to cancel the sale at any time, upon refund of $10, and the buyer has no recourse.

Thus when I croak, other people get all my property instantly, there are no wills, no courts, no lawyers--nothing.

If you sue, $10 is all you collect.

If the guy didn't have his stuff in order, it was all his own fault.

Congratulations. You've just made all your property available to not only your own creditors, but all the creditors and potential ex-wives of your "friends" who hold bare title to it. Cunning plan, indeed!

this.

It's already been noted by apiarist and a few others, but, for the record, anyone following Olddinosaur's advice on estate planning will be in for an unpleasant surprise; the government (medicaid, state and federal tax collectors) can assuredly reach assets in revocable trusts, and in many states so can your creditors. It's not a question of "it's not worth it for them to sue." The government simply disregards revocable trusts and treats those assets as though you owned them when you died, because for all real purposes you did. There are ways to move assets around to avoid probate and your creditors, but that plan certainly wouldn't have helped the soldier from the article: medicaid would have ignored the goofy trust and just grabbed it anyway.

budsterr: Other then being a teacher, doctors are the only profession where you can utterly fail and expect and get full compensation.

Nice.

/asshole

tenpoundsofcheese: you wrote: "because the CEO's stock price hasn't gone up enough lately"
the CEO doesn't have a stock price. The STOCK has a stock price. See, that's why the call it a "stock price".

Is that all you have? Really? You're using the fact that you misinterpreted something twice your dual-purpose deflection and trump card?

KiwDaWabbit: NExD:

If done correctly, it would be better for most people. The problem is that people tend to misunderstand what "most people" actually means. It would immediately improve the situations of the 47 million (or whatever it is now) without health insurance. It might make my personal wealth situation worse, for example.

yes. and bankrupt our country and our citizens who actually pay for things and make this country run, thereby ruining what makes this country great.... for everyone. Sign me up to pay for that!

My favorite part:

""None of those expenses, including the taxes, are necessary expenses, according to the state. The only so-called legitimate expense was the funeral. They want half the value of the houses. It doesn't matter how much I saved the state for the 13 years I took care of him.""

So, taxes and building codes are elective? I like that idea.

Poppa Boner: Wraithbane: When you're no longer risking everything for your country's agenda, and you get hurt while doing something for your own agenda, the country has no obligation to you. The VA system should be for service related problems and the retirees who put in the 20 years to get the entitlement.

\Vet

F*ck that. There should be elementary healthcare services until death for anyone who is willing to put themselves in front of a bullet for their country's misguided bullshiat.

It'd help first-term enlistments, but it'd definitely screw your retention rate. You'd get a bunch of douchnozzle's pulling one enlistment only to get out at their first opportunity because now they have healthcare for life. Not in my military, thank you very much. At least people joining for supplemented education will at least, y'know, use that benefit to benefit the country once they're out.

/not saying there aren't douchnozzle's already in the military

In 100-200 years stories like this will be told in history class to point out how horrible and oppressive living in this era is, where anyone can come take your assets if you get sick.

Please sir can I have some medical care?

And this is where somewhere posts the Strong Bad video on misused apostrophes.

/dammit

Ennuipoet: In Rome, during the late Republic, the Veterans would come home from the wars to find all they had was taken in taxes and sold to the rich. Their lands were tilled by slaves and they were left penniless and broken to fend for themselves as best they could. These men were promised land and rewards for their service and paid with poverty. Men trained by the State in the art and science of war are dangerous tools, without hope they may be wielded by dangerous men. The Republic fell in the small part to this kind of behavior when Caesar and subsequent Emperors provided for the welfare of the Veterans to curry support.

I'm just saying, you know, history is pretty interesting.

Too bad Rome got canceled after not quite 2 seasons. I wonder how it would have turned out?



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KiwDaWabbit: tenpoundsofcheese: you wrote: "because the CEO's stock price hasn't gone up enough lately"
the CEO doesn't have a stock price. The STOCK has a stock price. See, that's why the call it a "stock price".

Is that all you have? Really? You're using the fact that you misinterpreted something twice your dual-purpose deflection and trump card?

I got more, but that is all I need.

KiwDaWabbit: NExD:

If done correctly, it would be better for most people. The problem is that people tend to misunderstand what "most people" actually means. It would immediately improve the situations of the 47 million (or whatever it is now) without health insurance. It might make my personal wealth situation worse, for example.

Yeah, but 20% of those without insurance are illegal immigrants, and I don't know how much people are willing to pay for that coverage too.

beer4breakfast: famousp: Why stiff your doctor for fixing your body?

Getting your car or your plumbing fixed doesn't cost more then your entire assets accumulated over a lifetime.

Kind of depends on how much you have in assets and how much you need in repairs to car or body.

TANSTAAFL

greentea1985: Animatronik:

I always heard it had something to do with Roman provincial officials offering food to starving Goths in exchange for using their daughters as concubines, and then forgetting to give them the food.

It was probably the same guys doing both.

The Roman Empire fell because Rome kept on taking in barbarians, treating them like inferiors, mistreating them, and using them as disposable troops, creating well trained and equipped enemies who hated the Romans and knew all of their tactics. The Roman Republic fell because a system was set up where the soldiers owed all of their loyalty to their general rather than the state, giving the generals enough power that they started to take on Rome itself.

Sorry i missed that you were talking about the republic not the empire. I think the last thing you said is closer to the cause than any abuse of veterans though. The Marian reforms created what amounts to paid standing armies that would go on extending campaigns, completely different from early armies that were raised for short campaigns and defensive wars. These armies tended to develop strong loyalties their generals, who couldn't resist using them for political purposes.

Summoner101: Poppa Boner: Wraithbane: When you're no longer risking everything for your country's agenda, and you get hurt while doing something for your own agenda, the country has no obligation to you. The VA system should be for service related problems and the retirees who put in the 20 years to get the entitlement.

\Vet


F*ck that. There should be elementary healthcare services until death for anyone who is willing to put themselves in front of a bullet for their country's misguided bullshiat.

It'd help first-term enlistments, but it'd definitely screw your retention rate. You'd get a bunch of douchnozzle's pulling one enlistment only to get out at their first opportunity because now they have healthcare for life. Not in my military, thank you very much. At least people joining for supplemented education will at least, y'know, use that benefit to benefit the country once they're out.

/not saying there aren't douchnozzle's already in the military


Right on

chu2dogg: Retort: TheOtherGuy: Famousp:

You don't stiff your veterans for saving your freakin' ass and way of life.

/FTFY

Incorrect. He fought in Vietnam.

yeah.. that whole communism thing was totally cool

Well the fact that we pulled out and they still went red and nothing much changed here kind of demonstrates how that was was farking pointless.

Not a slam on this guy, he did his job there and it wasn't his fault that the general public bought the whole commie menace line of bullshiat, but it was still bullshiat.

Plus, as a kind of aside: It was a popular revolution. We may not agree with the ethos that they were playing in to, but as people who pride ourselves on our revolutionary heritage, where the fark do we get off on trying to quash other people's right to rebel against their own governments? You think it would have been cool if some superpower had stepped in and prevented us from revolting because they didn't like our own ideas?

The guy owned houses "plural" but he was using medicaid/medicare???
Sweet setup there. Should I be angry about this?

poisonedpawn78: Anyone who thinks the system you have now for healthcare is better than the way most other socialized countries run theirs are complete fools.

Every story like this should reinforce why the system needs to change, but then again, nobody cares until it happens to them. So aslong as its not happening to you, good old capitalism belongs in healthcare right?

THIS a million times over

Retort: chu2dogg: Retort: TheOtherGuy: Famousp:

You don't stiff your veterans for saving your freakin' ass and way of life.

/FTFY

Incorrect. He fought in Vietnam.

yeah.. that whole communism thing was totally cool

I'm sorry, did the Vietnam war take place in America?

That war was something you should all be horribly ashamed of.

Read my above comments on my thoughts on that stupid and pointless war.

Then go eat a mile of dicks for preaching to us about our own history. Like your ancestral and national record is pure as the driven snow.

Doppleganger871: Ahha! I was wondering where all this hope and change was going to start popping up. Found it!

Came here for some stupid coont to blame Obama.

/Sadly unsurprised.

Soldiers are treated as good as possible in a logical society because nothing can fark up your life plan like losing a war. And by war, I mean real war, the kind where if you lose, a fuzzy little foreigner is going to rampage through all your shiat and rape your womenfolk. This is admittedly something we don't have to worry about at this time, but you never know. The world has changed allot in the last 50 years, what will it look like 50 years from now?

What was the original point of this whole deal? Oh yeah. The guy owed a debt. His dead ass has to pay it. End of story. The veteran angle has nothing to do with it other than as a pity plea by the aggrieved "widow". My grandmother had very little when she went into a nursing home. She basically sold it all to pay for the first few months (maybe 10-15 grand). Then she went on Medicaid/Medicare and lived there for 8 years. In my book, she made out pretty good for dying with nothing. So did this guy.

famousp: Medical care is a service which must be paid for with money.

For some reason, when someone receives a large hospital bill for the huge number of complicated procedures performed on their bodies, they throw a fit.

You don't stiff your plumber for fixing your pipes.

You don't stiff your mechanic for fixing your car.

Why stiff your doctor for fixing your body?

Last time I checked, my plumber didn't charge me $700 for a $3 pipe fitting and then another $5000 to fix it. Also, when he said he'd be here at 3, and was going to be a little late, he called he to tell me. I didn't have to sit in a room for 3 hours after my appointment just to get stuck in a little room with my ass hanging out for another hour.

Oh, and the guy that works on my cars only charges me his cost for the parts? How do I know? I usually sign for them while he's working on my car.

I tip the plumber, and the mechanic, and a good waitress. I flip the Dr bird.

You aren't entitled to anyone else's money when your car breaks.
You aren't entitled to anyone else's money when your house falls apart.
You aren't entitled to anyone else's money when a tree falls on your $3000 grill.
You aren't entitled to anyone else's money when you drop your iphone in the pool.

Why are you entitled to somebody else's money when you hit your hand with a hammer?

I understand some of these events may be covered by forms of insurance. Insurance is a voluntary service that people can choose to enter or leave for another service, the antithesis of coercion through taxation.

Thurg: DaShredda: I busted my ass my entire life trying hard in school, reading, studying, etc etc etc.

I didn't party hard, I didn't fark around, and I spent my youth trying to work towards greatness.

The government gives some hick a gun, tells him to pull the trigger, and he's supposed to be taken care of for life?fark that shiat!

Soldiers are peons.

People who cure cancer are heroes.

Soldiers are heroes because they have the balls to do what cowards like you would wet their panties whilst running away from.
Plus, a pretty large amount of us are black, latino, and asian and have come to find out that the rednecks are absolutely the first guys that we want watching our backs.

Dude I'm a vet, combat vet even. Not all soldiers are "heroes". Sure a soldier in wartime has more opportunities to prove bravery and to help others, they also have more opportunities to be horrible farks to strangers.

Wearing a uniform does not make anyone an automatic "hero". It usually just means they didn't have a good enough SAT or enough family money to go to college right away, and playing with guns and blowing shiat up looks like more fun that working at Pizza Hut.

And before you give me any shiat, remember I'm a farking "hero" so watch your mouth.

A "state-run veterans home?" Run by the Iowa Department of Human Services?

Sorry, subby, but that's NOT the VA.

famousp: Medical care is a service which must be paid for with money.

For some reason, when someone receives a large hospital bill for the huge number of complicated procedures performed on their bodies, they throw a fit.

You don't stiff your plumber for fixing your pipes.

You don't stiff your mechanic for fixing your car.

Why stiff your doctor for fixing your body?

But why not go the whole way and privatise the military - after all - why stiff your soldier for keeping you safe?

If socialised healthcare is such a failure maybe socialised armies should be on the way out too. Then you'd get the best people who actually want to be defending you - not some poor hick from a trailer park who joined up to get a cheap education.

Wow you are all farking retarded. It has been a while since I've had to use this. Ages, even..

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You'd think you'd know better but no. You don't. Gliberals and republican'ts doing the same thing everyone else does. You know what? We *all* use toilet paper after we shiat, for the most part, so you might as well get used to it.

nealpolitan: Soldiers are treated as good as possible in a logical society because nothing can fark up your life plan like losing a war. And by war, I mean real war, the kind where if you lose, a fuzzy little foreigner is going to rampage through all your shiat and rape your womenfolk.

Nobody is threatening us with invasion, nor has anybody ever in our entire history as a nation, with the possible exception of the War of 1812.

This is admittedly something we don't have to worry about at this time, but you never know.

Yes I do. It's called nuclear deterrence.

The world has changed allot in the last 50 years, what will it look like 50 years from now?

It really hasn't changed THAT much since 1959. They had planes, cars, televisions, radios, tanks, atomic bombs, rockets, and even computers. We don't need a large standing force just waiting indefinitely and wasting obscene amounts of resources, not to mention destroying the environment in the process. If a real threat to our nation looms 50 or 100 years from now, we can rise to meet it then. That would be the rational thing to do.

I thought animal doctors made lots of money...

apiarist: Laughable that anyone thinks that would be successful.

This. I'm hoping it was an exceptionally geeky troll.

logruszed: Thurg: DaShredda: I busted my ass my entire life trying hard in school, reading, studying, etc etc etc.

I didn't party hard, I didn't fark around, and I spent my youth trying to work towards greatness.

The government gives some hick a gun, tells him to pull the trigger, and he's supposed to be taken care of for life?fark that shiat!

Soldiers are peons.

People who cure cancer are heroes.

Soldiers are heroes because they have the balls to do what cowards like you would wet their panties whilst running away from.
Plus, a pretty large amount of us are black, latino, and asian and have come to find out that the rednecks are absolutely the first guys that we want watching our backs.

Dude I'm a vet, combat vet even. Not all soldiers are "heroes". Sure a soldier in wartime has more opportunities to prove bravery and to help others, they also have more opportunities to be horrible farks to strangers.

Wearing a uniform does not make anyone an automatic "hero". It usually just means they didn't have a good enough SAT or enough family money to go to college right away, and playing with guns and blowing shiat up looks like more fun that working at Pizza Hut.

And before you give me any shiat, remember I'm a farking "hero" so watch your mouth.

After my VERY un-serious last post I read your post. 4 years and, even in the Corps, I want to thank you for reminding them that everyone is not a hero by default. Do they need payment for their services? Yes. Are they special? No. The person next to me took the round, not I. Had I been in his position I would have. It wasn't heroism unless biting your bottom lip and sticking your head under your rifle to peek around a corner is heroism. Hell, you want a hero? Look to the corpsman, he spent about an hour on that kid.

Hmm... As an aside? I wonder how many will fess up to my latest chicanery. And some random text here so that it isn't actually read by people. How about I try to think of something witty? No? Okay. It took a while but I suspect that someone (or many) will have just wandered off blindly across the internet. They don't know how dangerous it is.

Did I mention I'm right completely hammered? Avoid the V.A. at all cost. Every time I've gone there for my knee or shoulder they've pretty much wanted to use it as an excuse to chop me open and poke at random bits as if I'm some sort of still-alive-cadaver. If you can pay your medical then do so, that's about all I can add though I suspect you might already know it.

olddinosaur: That is why all my property is tied up in a living trust, where I have "sold" it to various people for $10o cash in hand and "other good and valuable considerations," but while I am alive I have full use of the property--as well as the right to cancel the sale at any time, upon refund of $10, and the buyer has no recourse.

That's interesting, but everything I own actually IS worth about $10, so probably not worth the effort.

????

My grandfather had emphysema and was on on a raft of medications (and permanently attached to an oxygen tank) for about 10 years. He eventually died from heart failure, almost right after they found was was suspected to be lung cancer. My point was, he was a sick, sick man. When he died, after several years of treatment in both the VA hospital system and at home under Medicaid & Medicare, my grandmother never saw a bill for anything.

"people should be outraged"

seriously?

what outrages me about this is that this woman thinks that a few years of service entitles her man to complete insurance coverage decades after the fact on injuries that had nothing to do with service. that outrages me.

if that was the kind of thing we deserve and could expect, i'd have signed up right out of high school 15 years back and done my 4 years to get my lifetime insurance. you'd have to be stupid not to.

cmon lady, get your head out of your ass.

He received health services in a country without a real system of socialized healthcare. Of course the provider is going to seek payment.

If you think this is an injustice, then socialized healthcare is what you want.

It's worth noting that his injuries were not from wartime service.

It's also worth noting that they're seeking half the couple's shared assets, not all of them. So if their combined assets are $70K, $35K is his half and is payable against his debts. The other $35K worth is hers to keep.

I don't see the problem here, except that you in the USA don't have a public healthcare system. If you don't like that, support socialized healthcare.

Summoner101: It'd help first-term enlistments, but it'd definitely screw your retention rate. You'd get a bunch of douchnozzle's pulling one enlistment only to get out at their first opportunity because now they have healthcare for life. Not in my military, thank you very much. At least people joining for supplemented education will at least, y'know, use that benefit to benefit the country once they're out.

/not saying there aren't douchnozzle's already in the military

I agree completely that people will take advantage of the system but wasn't that the point of a free education too? Educating and healing people are good things for society. Especially when those are the people holding the guns for your liberties. I want soldiers to believe in something and fight for good. Not a bunch of cynical automatons.

/canuck
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