It looks like it happened at a station, so it was probably a rear-end crash.

20,000 leagues: Worst Disney ride ever.

SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

The 20,000 Leagues ride looked cool when it first opened. But it was lame with the automatonic mermaids. The glass-bottom boat rides at Silver Springs are more fun because it was all real.

/Sans mermaids, of course.

Apparently somebody sucks at riddles.

cretinbob: SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

Any system can crash when safeguards are removed. As far as I'm aware of already, at least 5 different safeguards that we are trained to or are part of the system itself were overridden or ignored.

cretinbob: SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

I'm actually looking over the Wiki article on the monorail, and this actually shouldn't have happened. If the trains get too close, the emergency brakes are applied and the driver has to manually override them. If any driver gets close enough for that system to active just three times in their entire career, they are barred from driving ever again. Those safety protocols almost make this sound a bit like a suicide.

GAT_00: cretinbob: SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

I'm actually looking over the Wiki article on the monorail, and this actually shouldn't have happened. If the trains get too close, the emergency brakes are applied and the driver has to manually override them. If any driver gets close enough for that system to active just three times in their entire career, they are barred from driving ever again. Those safety protocols almost make this sound a bit like a suicide.

Nope, you're looking at the accident in reverse. The truth is that purple was stopped and Pink backed into it, not the other way around. This definitely wasn't suicide.

tiggerfan: Nope, you're looking at the accident in reverse. The truth is that purple was stopped and Pink backed into it, not the other way around. This definitely wasn't suicide.

Oh, I guess I just assumed by the crunching that he had hit the stopped one at speed coming into the station. That's a pretty good amount of damage for what must have been a low speed collision.

GAT_00: tiggerfan: Nope, you're looking at the accident in reverse. The truth is that purple was stopped and Pink backed into it, not the other way around. This definitely wasn't suicide.

Oh, I guess I just assumed by the crunching that he had hit the stopped one at speed coming into the station. That's a pretty good amount of damage for what must have been a low speed collision.

15 MPH. But yes, I was surprised at the amount of damage. At the same point, there is very little structural up there and the whole mess is made of composite panels. The real meat of the train starts behind where the pilot sits.

Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

That ride was just a rip off of Eastern Airlines Dreamflight :)

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

DarthBrooks: gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Or at least re-create the Monsanto Houseof the Future:




House of the Future (new window) I'd give just about anything to live in that house.

DarthBrooks: Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Hah!

Now THAT'S a return to the old school... damn...


tiggerfan: That ride was just a rip off of Eastern Airlines Dreamflight :)

It's still real Dreamflight to me, dammit!!! XD

I got to ride up front with the pilot when I was seven. That was really cool.

How sad, that poor young man. I wonder what happened?

2AM? I didn't realize there was anything going on that late at WDW for the monorails to be running.

Its good no passengers were hurt. The cars are very roomy and never overfilled with people, and everything is covered and padded very well. I remember riding with my sister, and the intercom would come on "Please stand clear of the doors. Por favor, mentengense a le jago de las puertas." We'd look excited, yell "Margaritas in the front car!? And get up and walk to the next car to wait and see how many other people left to go to the front car. I guess theres no margaritas in the front car anymore.

I always try to ride up front. At one time, there were seats in the nose, as now, but the driver sat in a bubble dome at the top. There were two seats up there too, I've sat there as well.

I want the Mine Train back.

FuturePastNow: I got to ride up front with the pilot when I was seven. That was really cool.

Do you like gladiator movies?

TheHopeDiamond: DarthBrooks: gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Or at least re-create the Monsanto Houseof the Future:


House of the Future (new window) I'd give just about anything to live in that house.

Separated at design?.

Lyle Lanley wanted for questioning.

/been waiting for this thread to get greenlit

Casey Jones approves of this thread.

A witness told Local 6 News that he heard a loud crashing noise when the monorails collided.

NO FARKING WAY! Say it wasn't so! Don't tell me there was a monorail involved, too!

beerrun: 2AM? I didn't realize there was anything going on that late at WDW for the monorails to be running.

4th of july. Parks are open till midnight or later. System runs till at least 2 hours after the last park closes.

tudorgurl: How sad, that poor young man. I wonder what happened?

From what my friends have told me, a chain of fantastic and stupid errors. What I can say for sure is
1. It wasn't suicide.
2. Purple was not moving at the time of impact.
3. At least 4 different pieces of the standard operating guide had to be violated in order for this to happen.

I call the big one Bitey

/hope the raccoons are ok

My saddest loss was Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. They turned it into a Winnie the Pooh something or other, I think. Nothing wrong with Pooh, but they didn't have to take Mr. Toad away!

First LA, then Boston, then DC, now Orlando...

I smell a rat. One with big round ears and has a pet dog named Goofy.

So, what do you think, was texting involved?

Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.


Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

Video after the incident. (new window)

tiggerfan: 15 MPH. But yes, I was surprised at the amount of damage. At the same point, there is very little structural up there and the whole mess is made of composite panels. The real meat of the train starts behind where the pilot sits.

You have to consider that the entire force of a train-on-train wreck is constrained along one dimension, with only slight relief when the first car derails. I'm for trains being run by a virtual cockpit and the first car being solely sensors and impact-dissipaters.

Sandinista81: FuturePastNow: I got to ride up front with the pilot when I was seven. That was really cool.

Do you like gladiator movies?

FARK! There is beer all over my keyboard now......

Accolade: My saddest loss was Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. They turned it into a Winnie the Pooh something or other, I think. Nothing wrong with Pooh, but they didn't have to take Mr. Toad away!

Mr. Toad is still at Disneyland, they got rid of the Bear Jamboree for the Winnie the Pooh ride.

The new Toy Story Mania is a lot of fun, over in California Adventure.

Let this be a lesson, never try to stiff Pink out of her money.

almandot: Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

I know who Normal Visual is and you can treat his information as reliable.

That's what the get for closing the Adventurer's Club.
Bastards.

Is it a sign that I'm getting old that I say, "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" in Phil Hartman's voice?

Mono... D'oh!

Totally OT, but tiggerfan, you're from Apollo Beach? Small freaking world, man.

Is there a chance the line could bend?

Spazholio: Totally OT, but tiggerfan, you're from Apollo Beach? Small freaking world, man.

Yeah.. I've been here about 8 years. Still haven't caught lead poisoning from the power plant :)

almandot: Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.


Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

Video after the incident. (new window)

How very sad.

Accidents like this. These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.

The ring came off my pudding can

almandot: Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.


Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

Video after the incident. (new window)



Yeah this sucks for everyone involved. Imagine being a kid there where Disney attempts to make every part of your experience "magical" and you end up seing a persons life being extinguished. I know fark always trashes Disney but it is one of the last "polite" places I've been to where people seem to genuinely enjoy their jobs and the guests seem to respond in kind (for the most part). Anyway it's a sad day for this young mans family.

eraser8: Accidents like this. These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.

Careful there, fella (new window)

tiggerfan:
Yeah.. I've been here about 8 years. Still haven't caught lead poisoning from the power plant :)

Hey, nothing like water you can chew, right?

eraser8: Accidents like this. These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.



/Agrees