It looks like it happened at a station, so it was probably a rear-end crash.

20,000 leagues: Worst Disney ride ever.

SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

The 20,000 Leagues ride looked cool when it first opened. But it was lame with the automatonic mermaids. The glass-bottom boat rides at Silver Springs are more fun because it was all real.

/Sans mermaids, of course.

Apparently somebody sucks at riddles.

cretinbob: SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

Any system can crash when safeguards are removed. As far as I'm aware of already, at least 5 different safeguards that we are trained to or are part of the system itself were overridden or ignored.

cretinbob: SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

I'm actually looking over the Wiki article on the monorail, and this actually shouldn't have happened. If the trains get too close, the emergency brakes are applied and the driver has to manually override them. If any driver gets close enough for that system to active just three times in their entire career, they are barred from driving ever again. Those safety protocols almost make this sound a bit like a suicide.

GAT_00: cretinbob: SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

I'm actually looking over the Wiki article on the monorail, and this actually shouldn't have happened. If the trains get too close, the emergency brakes are applied and the driver has to manually override them. If any driver gets close enough for that system to active just three times in their entire career, they are barred from driving ever again. Those safety protocols almost make this sound a bit like a suicide.

Nope, you're looking at the accident in reverse. The truth is that purple was stopped and Pink backed into it, not the other way around. This definitely wasn't suicide.

tiggerfan: Nope, you're looking at the accident in reverse. The truth is that purple was stopped and Pink backed into it, not the other way around. This definitely wasn't suicide.

Oh, I guess I just assumed by the crunching that he had hit the stopped one at speed coming into the station. That's a pretty good amount of damage for what must have been a low speed collision.

GAT_00: tiggerfan: Nope, you're looking at the accident in reverse. The truth is that purple was stopped and Pink backed into it, not the other way around. This definitely wasn't suicide.

Oh, I guess I just assumed by the crunching that he had hit the stopped one at speed coming into the station. That's a pretty good amount of damage for what must have been a low speed collision.

15 MPH. But yes, I was surprised at the amount of damage. At the same point, there is very little structural up there and the whole mess is made of composite panels. The real meat of the train starts behind where the pilot sits.

Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

That ride was just a rip off of Eastern Airlines Dreamflight :)

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

DarthBrooks: gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Or at least re-create the Monsanto Houseof the Future:




House of the Future (new window) I'd give just about anything to live in that house.

DarthBrooks: Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Hah!

Now THAT'S a return to the old school... damn...


tiggerfan: That ride was just a rip off of Eastern Airlines Dreamflight :)

It's still real Dreamflight to me, dammit!!! XD

I got to ride up front with the pilot when I was seven. That was really cool.

How sad, that poor young man. I wonder what happened?

2AM? I didn't realize there was anything going on that late at WDW for the monorails to be running.

Its good no passengers were hurt. The cars are very roomy and never overfilled with people, and everything is covered and padded very well. I remember riding with my sister, and the intercom would come on "Please stand clear of the doors. Por favor, mentengense a le jago de las puertas." We'd look excited, yell "Margaritas in the front car!? And get up and walk to the next car to wait and see how many other people left to go to the front car. I guess theres no margaritas in the front car anymore.

I always try to ride up front. At one time, there were seats in the nose, as now, but the driver sat in a bubble dome at the top. There were two seats up there too, I've sat there as well.

I want the Mine Train back.

FuturePastNow: I got to ride up front with the pilot when I was seven. That was really cool.

Do you like gladiator movies?

TheHopeDiamond: DarthBrooks: gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Or at least re-create the Monsanto Houseof the Future:


House of the Future (new window) I'd give just about anything to live in that house.

Separated at design?.

Lyle Lanley wanted for questioning.

/been waiting for this thread to get greenlit

Casey Jones approves of this thread.

A witness told Local 6 News that he heard a loud crashing noise when the monorails collided.

NO FARKING WAY! Say it wasn't so! Don't tell me there was a monorail involved, too!

beerrun: 2AM? I didn't realize there was anything going on that late at WDW for the monorails to be running.

4th of july. Parks are open till midnight or later. System runs till at least 2 hours after the last park closes.

tudorgurl: How sad, that poor young man. I wonder what happened?

From what my friends have told me, a chain of fantastic and stupid errors. What I can say for sure is
1. It wasn't suicide.
2. Purple was not moving at the time of impact.
3. At least 4 different pieces of the standard operating guide had to be violated in order for this to happen.

I call the big one Bitey

/hope the raccoons are ok

My saddest loss was Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. They turned it into a Winnie the Pooh something or other, I think. Nothing wrong with Pooh, but they didn't have to take Mr. Toad away!

First LA, then Boston, then DC, now Orlando...

I smell a rat. One with big round ears and has a pet dog named Goofy.

So, what do you think, was texting involved?

Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.


Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

Video after the incident. (new window)

tiggerfan: 15 MPH. But yes, I was surprised at the amount of damage. At the same point, there is very little structural up there and the whole mess is made of composite panels. The real meat of the train starts behind where the pilot sits.

You have to consider that the entire force of a train-on-train wreck is constrained along one dimension, with only slight relief when the first car derails. I'm for trains being run by a virtual cockpit and the first car being solely sensors and impact-dissipaters.

Sandinista81: FuturePastNow: I got to ride up front with the pilot when I was seven. That was really cool.

Do you like gladiator movies?

FARK! There is beer all over my keyboard now......

Accolade: My saddest loss was Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. They turned it into a Winnie the Pooh something or other, I think. Nothing wrong with Pooh, but they didn't have to take Mr. Toad away!

Mr. Toad is still at Disneyland, they got rid of the Bear Jamboree for the Winnie the Pooh ride.

The new Toy Story Mania is a lot of fun, over in California Adventure.

Let this be a lesson, never try to stiff Pink out of her money.

almandot: Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

I know who Normal Visual is and you can treat his information as reliable.

That's what the get for closing the Adventurer's Club.
Bastards.

Is it a sign that I'm getting old that I say, "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" in Phil Hartman's voice?

Mono... D'oh!

Totally OT, but tiggerfan, you're from Apollo Beach? Small freaking world, man.

Is there a chance the line could bend?

Spazholio: Totally OT, but tiggerfan, you're from Apollo Beach? Small freaking world, man.

Yeah.. I've been here about 8 years. Still haven't caught lead poisoning from the power plant :)

almandot: Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.


Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

Video after the incident. (new window)

How very sad.

Accidents like this. These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.

The ring came off my pudding can

almandot: Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.


Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

Video after the incident. (new window)



Yeah this sucks for everyone involved. Imagine being a kid there where Disney attempts to make every part of your experience "magical" and you end up seing a persons life being extinguished. I know fark always trashes Disney but it is one of the last "polite" places I've been to where people seem to genuinely enjoy their jobs and the guests seem to respond in kind (for the most part). Anyway it's a sad day for this young mans family.

eraser8: Accidents like this. These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.

Careful there, fella (new window)

tiggerfan:
Yeah.. I've been here about 8 years. Still haven't caught lead poisoning from the power plant :)

Hey, nothing like water you can chew, right?

eraser8: Accidents like this. These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.



/Agrees

Sounds like the whole thing is a big goat-fark from the get-go.

This is one of the busiest weekends of the year at WDW, too.

Some of those freaks over at disboards.com are already talking about trying to get partial refunds... after all, they paid for a monorail resort, dammit!

Assholes.

HomerButt: Sounds like the whole thing is a big goat-fark from the get-go.

Why does everyone always say "goat-fark" like it's a bad thing?

HomerButt: Sounds like the whole thing is a big goat-fark from the get-go.

Bingo

HomerButt: Some of those freaks over at disboards.com are already talking about trying to get partial refunds... after all, they paid for a monorail resort, dammit!

There's a reason I stopped posting on those boards. After performing CPR on a guest on the beach at Castaway Cay who didn't make it, and despite the fact that the family was all on board and already knew, I was called all sorts of various names because I refused to give any more information about what happened.

/Disboards are full of assholes.

Fano: Careful there, fella

Pffft. Sister Miriam Godwinson also thinks that taking a person's photograph steals his soul.

tiggerfan: /Agrees

Snotty knows that beaming is the by far the safest form of travel. The worst that can happen is that, during rematerialization, your head can be put on backwards. But they've got creams for that.

eraser8: Fano: Careful there, fella

Pffft. Sister Miriam Godwinson also thinks that taking a person's photograph steals his soul.

tiggerfan: /Agrees

Snotty knows that beaming is the by far the safest form of travel. The worst that can happen is that, during rematerialization, your head can be put on backwards. But they've got creams for that.

Just make sure you don't hold your breath when they give you the gas before putting you through the device. The trip is longer than you think.

TheHopeDiamond: DarthBrooks: gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Or at least re-create the Monsanto Houseof the Future:

House of the Future (new window) I'd give just about anything to live in that house.

What a pity that it is gone. I adore mid twentieth century futurism. It's so artificial, geometrical, and unflinchingly optimistic.

I want my jet pack, dammit.

DarthBrooks:
Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Wah? No love for the Flying Saucers?

Wow, that's terrible. I feel bad for the person killed and the kids that witnessed it. Terrible all around. Just a series of stupid choices that led to a deadly accident.

This is weird. Just 2 days ago, I was reading up on events that happened in 1985 on wikipedia (its my birthyear).

I come across the entry "June 26 - The Walt Disney World Resort Monorail Gold catches fire on the EPCOT beam around 9:00 p.m., due to friction from a flat tire.".

And I think to myself, "hmm. its been a while since they've had a monorail problem...wonder when the next one will be..."

/the monorail cockpits are awesome

tiggerfan: HomerButt: Sounds like the whole thing is a big goat-fark from the get-go.

Bingo

HomerButt: Some of those freaks over at disboards.com are already talking about trying to get partial refunds... after all, they paid for a monorail resort, dammit!

There's a reason I stopped posting on those boards. After performing CPR on a guest on the beach at Castaway Cay who didn't make it, and despite the fact that the family was all on board and already knew, I was called all sorts of various names because I refused to give any more information about what happened.

/Disboards are full of assholes.

One of the most bizarre things about that board is that there's another site whose raison d'être is to rag on the disboards.

Disboards mods lurk at the unDis site and ban any disboards poster who also posts on the unDis.

Insane shiat, man.

I guess the monorail pilot sucked at riddles.

eraser8: Accidents like this. These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.

so all involved get scattered to atoms?

The_EliteOne: I guess the monorail pilot sucked at riddles.

He's a pain.

HalfPiper: Is there a chance the line could bend?

Not on your life, my Hindu friend.

tiggerfan: /Disboards are full of assholes.

The general public are pretty much assholes. I work with mass groups of people, and it's pretty sickening the crap they pull.

As a side note, I've been to Disney World 8 times and loved every minute and time that I've been. The main reason why it is so awesome is because of the cast and crew. It's a wonderful place already, but the employees of the park make it even better because they're very nice.

This is why I only ride on trains on two rails.

HomerButt: Sounds like the whole thing is a big goat-fark from the get-go.

This is one of the busiest weekends of the year at WDW, too.

Some of those freaks over at disboards.com are already talking about trying to get partial refunds... after all, they paid for a monorail resort, dammit!

Assholes.

I saw that! Holy christ, a 21 year old died, get some damn perspective.

To be fair, a lot of posters were disagreeing with the couple of posters who were advocating complaining.

Spazholio: HomerButt: Sounds like the whole thing is a big goat-fark from the get-go.

Why does everyone always say "goat-fark" like it's a bad thing?

What?

eraser8: Accidents like this. These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.

Snotty beamed me twice last night. It was wonderful

came to this thread hoping it would be all Simpsons references. leaving disappointed

almandot: Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.


Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

Video after the incident. (new window)

If pink backed up into purple, the fastest would be 15 mph. The driver in purple would have had seen pink backing into it and would have radioed to find out what is going on. They wouldn't back up trains so close on a normal run. If control for some reason didn't call purple to tell them pink was backing up or didn't realize it; the driver would have been radioing in that pink was going to hit him.

soj4life: almandot: Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

I'm a former Mark VI railie, and I stay in touch with a fair number of folks in the department. Here's what I've heard. I'm going to stress that it's what I've heard, and I can't represent this as absolute fact. Take that for what it's worth.

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station. Pink was cleared with MAPO override, meaning that the driver would have disabled the anti-collision system (there are a variety of legitimate reasons for doing this), and would have been acting on faith that Central wouldn't have cleared him into a dangerous situation because it sometimes is difficult to see everything you'd want to in the cab mirrors, particularly at night on a curve such as the one he was backing along. For whatever reason, Purple just sat in the station without attempting to avoid the accident, and was struck by Pink moving at the full 15 mph allowed during MAPO override. From what I understand, the driver of Purple was a new transfer from another department. Why Central would not have made sure the station was clear before moving any trains is a bit of a mystery, but I've heard that no one was actually in the control console (the control tower-looking place at Concourse) at the time. To my knowledge, there were no electrical or mechanical problems in play here. Again, I have to stress that I'm relating what I've heard, and I was not there. This is a second-hand account from others more familiar with the situation.


Based on pictures and reports it seems like pink backed up past the station and into purple, as opposed to hitting purple parked in the station, but the details on everything are still very sketchy right now.

Video after the incident. (new window)

If pink backed up into purple, the fastest would be 15 mph. The driver in purple would have had seen pink backing into it and would have radioed to find out what is going on. They wouldn't back up trains so close on a normal run. If control for some reason didn't call purple to tell them pink was backing up or didn't realize it; the driver would have been radioing in that pink was going to hit him.

also, the driver was only 21? I never see monorail drivers ever that young.

Weasel3322: came to this thread hoping it would be all Simpsons references. leaving disappointed

Uh, what?

if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.

Hoax_Device: I call the big one Bitey

/hope the raccoons opossums are ok

FAIL

mike.thesauce: if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.

Downtown Disney is awesome man, you can't be a minor to get in.

soj4life: If pink backed up into purple, the fastest would be 15 mph. The driver in purple would have had seen pink backing into it and would have radioed to find out what is going on. They wouldn't back up trains so close on a normal run. If control for some reason didn't call purple to tell them pink was backing up or didn't realize it; the driver would have been radioing in that pink was going to hit him.

Assuming that
1. He was paying attention
2. He could get a transmission out. The nextel radio system seriously sucks.

I tend though to think that #1 was the issue, otherwise I assume he would have exited the train himself.

soj4life: also, the driver was only 21? I never see monorail drivers ever that young.

Look up the words "Walt Disney World College Program"

andrew131: Downtown Disney is awesome man, you can't be a minor to get in.

They shut Pleasure Island down last September. Sorry to disappoint.

Is anyone else getting sick of reporting starting to consist only of facebook and twitter researching? So-and-so's facebook page listed them as such. At 9:00 pm so-and-so twittered this. Cmon, what happened to real journalism? This is lazy.

radioshack: 20,000 leagues: Worst Disney ride ever.

You've obviously not been in the newer "Stitch Encounter" makeover of the old "Extra-terrorestrial Encounter" attraction. Or the abortion that is the Winnie the Pooh ride that replaced Mr. Toad. Or about 2 dozen other rides...

soj4life: If pink backed up into purple, the fastest would be 15 mph. The driver in purple would have had seen pink backing into it and would have radioed to find out what is going on. They wouldn't back up trains so close on a normal run. If control for some reason didn't call purple to tell them pink was backing up or didn't realize it; the driver would have been radioing in that pink was going to hit him.


Now I'm really curious to see if Disney World's radio traffic is recorded. That would be interesting to hear.

tiggerfan: I tend though to think that #1 was the issue, otherwise I assume he would have exited the train himself.

I've never even been to Disneyworld and that was my question, yeah - if he saw the train coming toward him, is it possible for him to run out of his car or back into the train himself? If so, you'd think he maybe would have.

/been to Tokyo Disneyland and the original Disneyland though
//RIP driver of Purple, anyway, and yeah the driver of Pink must be quite upset over this :(

mike.thesauce: if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.

Oh, man, drinking 'round the world at Epcot is definitely a lot more fun without kids.

tiggerfan: andrew131: Downtown Disney is awesome man, you can't be a minor to get in.

They shut Pleasure Island down last September. Sorry to disappoint.

:-(

vertiaset: farkuufarkinfark

First LA, then Boston, then DC, now Orlando...

I smell a rat. One with big round ears and has a pet dog named Goofy.

Pluto is a dog. Goofy is some kind of weird, godless, "Island of Doctor Moreau" genetic mutation somewhere between a dog and a human being.

Goofy began life as "Dippy Dawg". He is as much of a dog as Mickey is a mouse and Donald is a duck. Pluto's the mutant: an animal in the Disney universe unable to speak English or dress himself.

Dippy's debut:

mike.thesauce: if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.

Gee, Hanson is going to be seeing an awful lot of people honeymooning then.

I think you'd make a lot more sense by saying if you were a single male over 25 and going to Disney alone, then you have a problem.

/wanted to go in October
//had to change plans

MattyFridays: I think you'd make a lot more sense by saying if you were a single male over 25 and going to Disney alone, then you have a problem.

Not really, so many hot college girls work there. Perfect place if you're 25.

I wish some pink would back up into my purple

girljen: soj4life: If pink backed up into purple, the fastest would be 15 mph. The driver in purple would have had seen pink backing into it and would have radioed to find out what is going on. They wouldn't back up trains so close on a normal run. If control for some reason didn't call purple to tell them pink was backing up or didn't realize it; the driver would have been radioing in that pink was going to hit him.


Now I'm really curious to see if Disney World's radio traffic is recorded. That would be interesting to hear.

knowing disney, they have it recorded.

mike.thesauce: if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.


Are fark trolls not even trying anymore? Man put some more content into your trolls and you might grab a bigger audience.

andrew131: MattyFridays: I think you'd make a lot more sense by saying if you were a single male over 25 and going to Disney alone, then you have a problem.

Not really, so many hot college girls work there. Perfect place if you're 25.

Fair point. I think "going alone" is the qualifier. It's kind of creepy if a single guy is walking alone in the park by himself.

I seem to have developed my wife calls the "Stabler Stare". Whenever I'm in a public place, I'm constantly looking for creeps with cell phones or digital cameras who are trying to take pictures they shouldn't be taking pics of.

He wrote that episode from what I understand.

Fixed

tiggerfan: GAT_00: cretinbob: SO much for the "Disney monorails can't crash"
Sad indeed.

I'm actually looking over the Wiki article on the monorail, and this actually shouldn't have happened. If the trains get too close, the emergency brakes are applied and the driver has to manually override them. If any driver gets close enough for that system to active just three times in their entire career, they are barred from driving ever again. Those safety protocols almost make this sound a bit like a suicide.

Nope, you're looking at the accident in reverse. The truth is that purple was stopped and Pink backed into it, not the other way around. This definitely wasn't suicide.

Then it's murder

MattyFridays: Fair point. I think "going alone" is the qualifier. It's kind of creepy if a single guy is walking alone in the park by himself.

I seem to have developed my wife calls the "Stabler Stare". Whenever I'm in a public place, I'm constantly looking for creeps with cell phones or digital cameras who are trying to take pictures they shouldn't be taking pics of.

Yeah, the alone part is a factor. But, if some hot girl/woman (legal) is walking around in a hot outfit why not take a picture?

/hurr

stjohn 2009-07-05 01:40:03 PM
Apparently somebody sucks at riddles



nice reference :)

Was there last night with my fiance and 3 y/o daughter. Caught the fireworks on the tram returning from Epcot at about 9. Magic Kingdom was open until 1am. We left about 11, kinda freaky. RIP tram dude :(

What about us brain-dead slobs?

HomerButt: mike.thesauce: if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.

Oh, man, drinking 'round the world at Epcot is definitely a lot more fun without kids.

I'l second that and raise you a glass..

andrew131:
Yeah, the alone part is a factor. But, if some hot girl/woman (legal) is walking around in a hot outfit why not take a picture?

/hurr

I'm a hobbyist photographer, and I never take pictures of people unless they know I am. And even then, I don't put it on the internet unless they give me permission. Someone I know is very very sensitive about pictures of her children being on the net, and knowing all the creeps out there (and especially the creeps you don't know who are out there) who can blame her?

But I can see your point that if someone is wearing an outfit that's calling attention to her, it's a grey area.

Took the wife to Epcot this past Mother's day. Big juicy aged steak at the Cellar in Canada, couple of glasses of fine champagne in France, tall glass of Becks in Germany followed by appetizers with tableside belly dancers in Marrakesh. Fireworks, nice boat ride, beautiful weather - could not of been better.

MattyFridays: I'm a hobbyist photographer, and I never take pictures of people unless they know I am. And even then, I don't put it on the internet unless they give me permission. Someone I know is very very sensitive about pictures of her children being on the net, and knowing all the creeps out there (and especially the creeps you don't know who are out there) who can blame her?

But I can see your point that if someone is wearing an outfit that's calling attention to her, it's a grey area.

The hurr part was supposed to show that I was joking.

mike.thesauce: if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.

I was in Orlando last month and went to Disney Word twice. I'm 23 and went with the 21 year old daughter of my mom's coworker. We had fun and went on rides and ate frozen bananas. I went by myself later that week because she was working and had like one tenth of the fun. You don't have to be a kid to enjoy Disney, but it helps to be with someone interested in having a good time.

brukmann: tiggerfan: 15 MPH. But yes, I was surprised at the amount of damage. At the same point, there is very little structural up there and the whole mess is made of composite panels. The real meat of the train starts behind where the pilot sits.

You have to consider that the entire force of a train-on-train wreck is constrained along one dimension, with only slight relief when the first car derails. I'm for trains being run by a virtual cockpit and the first car being solely sensors and impact-dissipaters.

Are you saying fly-by-wire? where no matter what commands the object won't respond? Was this Monorail designed by Airbus
and piloted by Air France? How bout airbags in passenger seats?

HomerButt Quote 2009-07-05 03:56:45 PM

/Disboards are full of assholes.

Since Disboards are apparently full of assholes, I dont really feel like gong to the site. Could someone please explain to me what a Disboard is?

stjohn: Apparently somebody sucks at riddles.

Blaine the Pain....

eraser8: These are the reasons I'm constantly advocating beaming technology.

Transporters are DEATH.

You are destroyed.

A copy of you is created at another location.

You, however, are DEAD.

Igor Jakovsky: HomerButt Quote 2009-07-05 03:56:45 PM

/Disboards are full of assholes.

Since Disboards are apparently full of assholes, I dont really feel like gong to the site. Could someone please explain to me what a Disboard is?


I'm guessing a forum related to all things Disney-parks.

I wouldn't be shocked. If you put a 100 soccer moms in a central location with the anonymity afforded by the internet and talk about snowflakes, of course you're going to have attitude problems.

MattyFridays: andrew131: MattyFridays: I think you'd make a lot more sense by saying if you were a single male over 25 and going to Disney alone, then you have a problem.

Not really, so many hot college girls work there. Perfect place if you're 25.

Fair point. I think "going alone" is the qualifier. It's kind of creepy if a single guy is walking alone in the park by himself.

I seem to have developed my wife calls the "Stabler Stare". Whenever I'm in a public place, I'm constantly looking for creeps with cell phones or digital cameras who are trying to take pictures they shouldn't be taking pics of.

Be careful when you admit to being overly suspicious of others. "The crime doth speak loudly in accusation" and your wife may find out some day.

Igor Jakovsky: HomerButt Quote 2009-07-05 03:56:45 PM

/Disboards are full of assholes.

Since Disboards are apparently full of assholes, I dont really feel like gong to the site. Could someone please explain to me what a Disboard is?

disboards is one of the many Disney resorts forums; I only go to wdwmagic.com and allears.net for any disney news or info.

tiggerfan: /Disboards Fark threads are full of assholes.

Fixed for my own amusement.

Thanks for the insight.

/subby
//Florida passholder
///It's the farking PEOPLE MOVER you knobs

T-Luv The ring came off my pudding can

Take my pen knife, my good man!

scott88008: MattyFridays: andrew131: MattyFridays: I think you'd make a lot more sense by saying if you were a single male over 25 and going to Disney alone, then you have a problem.

Not really, so many hot college girls work there. Perfect place if you're 25.

Fair point. I think "going alone" is the qualifier. It's kind of creepy if a single guy is walking alone in the park by himself.

I seem to have developed my wife calls the "Stabler Stare". Whenever I'm in a public place, I'm constantly looking for creeps with cell phones or digital cameras who are trying to take pictures they shouldn't be taking pics of.

Be careful when you admit to being overly suspicious of others. "The crime doth speak loudly in accusation" and your wife may find out some day.

You oughta check out the guy in the thread about "newly licensed" driver tags. He has written out a complicated scenario about how that would make your teen driver a prime target for sexual predators.

girljen: Now I'm really curious to see if Disney World's radio traffic is recorded. That would be interesting to hear.

Yes, it is.fast_eddie2000: Then it's murder

Depends on who the responsible party/parties are and how they acted.

All I'm going to say is that I know for sure that at least 2 separate people had to violate standard operating guidelines for this to happen. It will be up to Orange County to determine if the actions constitute a criminal act or an accident.

I really don't want to get into it too much more because
A) It would be rampant speculation.
B) There is probably going to be a criminal investigation.
C) I've warned those that I could about the potential outcome we observed this morning. They know who they are and they have to live with it.

Disneyland has three things that World does not...Mr Toad, Indiana Jones and gumbo..all the reasons I didn't bother with World last month

scott88008: =

Be careful when you admit to being overly suspicious of others. "The crime doth speak loudly in accusation" and your wife may find out some day.

Actually, just a true crime buff. I'm a creep in that matter. I'm ghoulish when it comes to details at a crime scene. I also pick up on small details like the guy in Psych.

tiggerfan: soj4life: If pink backed up into purple, the fastest would be 15 mph. The driver in purple would have had seen pink backing into it and would have radioed to find out what is going on. They wouldn't back up trains so close on a normal run. If control for some reason didn't call purple to tell them pink was backing up or didn't realize it; the driver would have been radioing in that pink was going to hit him.

Assuming that
1. He was paying attention
2. He could get a transmission out. The nextel radio system seriously sucks.

I tend though to think that #1 was the issue, otherwise I assume he would have exited the train himself.



Poor guy probably wasn't paying attention. This happened at 2am, the last Spectromagic parade started at 12:30am that night... so the park probably wasn't closing till 1. Disney Transport (buses, boats, monorails) run 1 hour after closing. He was probably just finishing his last run of the night and dilly-dallying around the cockpit when it hit.

I have to imagine we won't see this happen again. Since it was negligence on someone in control and not a freak mechanical accident, Disney is going to clamp down hard. They despise it when people die on their property.

MattyFridays: scott88008: =

Be careful when you admit to being overly suspicious of others. "The crime doth speak loudly in accusation" and your wife may find out some day.

Actually, just a true crime buff. I'm a creep in that matter. I'm ghoulish when it comes to details at a crime scene. I also pick up on small details like the guy in Psych.

Do you pretend to be psychic and help the police? :P

If you're talking upskirt pictures, yeah that's reprehensible. But re your other comment, how do you avoid taking pictures of people at a NASCAR event or concert. I took photos and videos at a 4th of July concert and must have pictures of thousands of people. I even took a picture of a little boy and no one objected (alright, it was with the mother's camera and she asked me to take a picture of them).

In order to save space and time, Disney's decision to combine the Monorail with "It's a Small World" ends in disaster.

Oh but all the rest of the rides are fool proof, right? This is Disney.

scott88008:
If you're talking upskirt pictures, yeah that's reprehensible. But re your other comment, how do you avoid taking pictures of people at a NASCAR event or concert. I took photos and videos at a 4th of July concert and must have pictures of thousands of people. I even took a picture of a little boy and no one objected (alright, it was with the mother's camera and she asked me to take a picture of them).

Yeah, I was talking upskirts and other creep shots. When you're dealing with hundreds of people and details aren't discernible, that's OK, but when you're taking "secret pictures", that's really, really creepy.

radioshack: 20,000 leagues: Worst Disney ride ever.

I take it you've never been to Disney Land in CA and tried the old "People Mover".

bullwinkl: radioshack: 20,000 leagues: Worst Disney ride ever.

You've obviously not been in the newer "Stitch Encounter" makeover of the old "Extra-terrorestrial Encounter" attraction. Or the abortion that is the Winnie the Pooh ride that replaced Mr. Toad. Or about 2 dozen other rides...

Monsters Inc Laugh Floor. That is all.

Worked for Disney for years, still work in tourism.. this is just sad. Fortunately at 2am, there's hardly anyone on the monorail at that time.

The driver probably fell asleep.. too sad.

brukmann: diss

Yes, that'll inspire confidence. Do you want to give the signal that, while it's not safe enough for your own employees, it's fine for guests?

brukmann: tiggerfan: 15 MPH. But yes, I was surprised at the amount of damage. At the same point, there is very little structural up there and the whole mess is made of composite panels. The real meat of the train starts behind where the pilot sits.

You have to consider that the entire force of a train-on-train wreck is constrained along one dimension, with only slight relief when the first car derails. I'm for trains being run by a virtual cockpit and the first car being solely sensors and impact-dissipaters.

Whoops... Meant to quote the whole post, there.

Mulchpuppy: Monsters Inc Laugh Floor. That is all.

The one with Figment in EPCOT.

The guys that came up with that entire part of the park should be fed into a chipper-shredder feet first.

bessyglass: Disneyland has three things that World does not...Mr Toad, Indiana Jones and gumbo..all the reasons I didn't bother with World last month

Rock n' Roller Coaster was awesome. And Everest beats the ever loving hell out of Matterhorn

MattyFridays: andrew131: MattyFridays: I think you'd make a lot more sense by saying if you were a single male over 25 and going to Disney alone, then you have a problem.

Not really, so many hot college girls work there. Perfect place if you're 25.

Fair point. I think "going alone" is the qualifier. It's kind of creepy if a single guy is walking alone in the park by himself.

I seem to have developed my wife calls the "Stabler Stare". Whenever I'm in a public place, I'm constantly looking for creeps with cell phones or digital cameras who are trying to take pictures they shouldn't be taking pics of.

Some creep has jacked off to a picture he has taken of you in public. Let that sink in. He likes that stare, he compares it to "Blue Steel."

tiggerfan:
Nope, you're looking at the accident in reverse. The truth is that purple was stopped and Pink backed into it, not the other way around. This definitely wasn't suicide.


fap

Weasel3322: Hoax_Device: I call the big one Bitey

/hope the raccoons opossums are ok

FAIL

Thank you for pointing out my FAIL. Now I know how the other monorail driver feels.

T-Luv: bessyglass: Disneyland has three things that World does not...Mr Toad, Indiana Jones and gumbo..all the reasons I didn't bother with World last month

Rock n' Roller Coaster was awesome. And Everest beats the ever loving hell out of Matterhorn

Dinosaur at Animal Kingdom is pretty sweet too, once in a while.

DarthBrooks: The one with Figment in EPCOT.

The guys that came up with that entire part of the park should be fed into a chipper-shredder feet first.

It was cute when it was new and I was a kid, but now it's just weird and crusty. Need I mention Captain Eo?

Mulchpuppy: Monsters Inc Laugh Floor. That is all.

Walked past that a couple months ago and my heart sank a little.

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight Mr. Toad's Wild Ride back!

FTFY

Very sad all around.

There can be only one,...

...on a monorail track.

DarthBrooks: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Motherfarkin THIS!

Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space was the most badass ride EVAR.

Galileo's Daughter: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight Mr. Toad's Wild Ride back!

FTFY

I was just at Disneyland in March; Mr. Toad's is still there. They even gave it a facelift; made the facade look like Mr. Toad's mansion.

tiggerfan OT: Do you happen to post on MiceChat under the same screen name?

Some of you have planned out your perversions quite creatively. Single 25 year olds taking upskirt pics at Disney World?

They're everywhere! Be vigilant! You go, imagination!

If you're really that worried about it, put some freakin' PANTS on your little JonBenét Ramsey and use your filthy imagination for something productive for a change. Weirdos.

JonnyBGoode: Galileo's Daughter: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight Mr. Toad's Wild Ride back!

FTFY

I was just at Disneyland in March; Mr. Toad's is still there. They even gave it a facelift; made the facade look like Mr. Toad's mansion.

I was in a building just the other week that smelt exactly like the Pirates of The Carribean ride. Does it still smell like that?

/Really. It has it's own special smell.

MattyFridays: A bunch of crap about how he is protecting kids by being a suspicious jerkwad

Not to be a total dick, but who made you the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate subject matter for my hobby?

I understand our collective fear of child predators, and share it, having two daughters of my own. However, candid people photography is my favorite kind of picture taking, having grown up on the classic photo essay work of National Geographic.

This means I take pictures of people...Lots of people. The history of 20th century art photography is on my side, here. Candid pictures of other humans, regardless of their age, is acceptable. If you have a problem with that, too farking bad.

Unless you have a law enforcement officer with you, or are one yourself, I have no responsibility to allay your suspicions.

We were just there a couple weeks ago, and we rode up front with the operator just about every ride on the monorail ... scary.

skink: MattyFridays: A bunch of crap about how he is protecting kids by being a suspicious jerkwad

Not to be a total dick, but who made you the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate subject matter for my hobby?

I understand our collective fear of child predators, and share it, having two daughters of my own. However, candid people photography is my favorite kind of picture taking, having grown up on the classic photo essay work of National Geographic.

This means I take pictures of people...Lots of people. The history of 20th century art photography is on my side, here. Candid pictures of other humans, regardless of their age, is acceptable. If you have a problem with that, too farking bad.

Unless you have a law enforcement officer with you, or are one yourself, I have no responsibility to allay your suspicions.

Pervert

muck4doo:

I was in a building just the other week that smelt exactly like the Pirates of The Carribean ride. Does it still smell like that?

/Really. It has it's own special smell.


I know exactly what you're talking about.

If they sold a febreze of that smell, I'd totally buy it.

"According to witnesses, a monorail was returning from Epcot when it slammed into the rear of the other train."

How is this a head-on collision?

MattyFridays: Yeah, I was talking upskirts and other creep shots. When you're dealing with hundreds of people and details aren't discernible, that's OK, but when you're taking "secret pictures", that's really, really creepy.

There's a big difference between taking a quick photo just for good memories of some hot woman acting like she's walking the catwalk on the sidewalk and strapping a camera to your shoe and following young girls around.

Big difference. Unfortunately, the SAVE TEH KEEDS people can't manage to discern the two. We're getting pretty close to the point that guys are sex offenders if tell a woman she looks pretty.

Galileo's Daughter: Give us Delta Dreamflight Mr. Toad's Wild Ride back!

FTFY

I forgot that they got rid of that.

Damn.

The trip to Hell at the end freaked me out the first time around.


JonnyBGoode: I was just at Disneyland in March; Mr. Toad's is still there. They even gave it a facelift; made the facade look like Mr. Toad's mansion.

At Disneyland in California, yes, it's still there.

At Walt Disney World in Florida, it's gone.

Tui: muck4doo:

I was in a building just the other week that smelt exactly like the Pirates of The Carribean ride. Does it still smell like that?

/Really. It has it's own special smell.


I know exactly what you're talking about.

If they sold a febreze of that smell, I'd totally buy it.

I love that smell. Every time I smell that indoor water smell, I think of the PotC ride.

I heard those things are awfully loud.

muck4doo: JonnyBGoode: Galileo's Daughter: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight Mr. Toad's Wild Ride back!

FTFY

I was just at Disneyland in March; Mr. Toad's is still there. They even gave it a facelift; made the facade look like Mr. Toad's mansion.

I was in a building just the other week that smelt exactly like the Pirates of The Carribean ride. Does it still smell like that?

/Really. It has it's own special smell.

Yes, it still smells like LaFeet.

DarthBrooks: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Get your e-tickets ready, folks!

Now that's old-school!!! (and hotlinked)

/old enough to remember e-tickets
//knows the meaning of "more fun than an e-ticket ride at Disneyland"

andrew131: We're getting pretty close to the point that guys are sex offenders if tell a woman she looks pretty.

Pervert!

RealFarknMcCoy2: Get your e-tickets ready, folks!

I still have some A, D, and E tickets and the 1978 book they were in. Not really collector valued, as some of the other tickets in the book are gone.

From what I understand the driver was not a CP, but rather a local who was working and attending school at the same time. However I know for a fact that College Programmers do operate monorails, so you could theorhetically have someone as young as 17 or 18 driving, though I have no proof of this.

Had to work directly under a monorail today, but they weren't running so it was ok :X

RealFarknMcCoy2: Now that's old-school!!! (and hotlinked)

Japanese amusement parks I went to as a kid had that system - but by the time Tokyo Disneyland opened in 1983, it was single price admission. Expensive as fark, but single price.

With the older amusement parks, used to be if you got a kid's admission you didn't get any of the best rides in the little book of tickets it came with, so you had to buy those extra from vending in the park.

When Tokyo Disneyland first opened and all the rides were brand new, everything was smooth smooth. There was a room where you saw some dioramas of history and the room turned to different stages, but it was so smooth we couldn't tell at first if the room is moving or the stage is moving (the American one had a similar ride "America Sings" I found out later). Anyway, one of the sections had a robot girl on a piano who gives a speech. My mother actually thought it was a real kid and made a loud comment about how that must be an awesome summer job, and people laughed. Ah, good times...

Much later I went to the one in Anaheim (original Disneyland) and was kinda disappointed to see that so many of the rides were identical other than being in English, just because I'd thought all the parks would be completely different.

All right, I'll do it:

Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth
Like a genuine,
Bona fide,
Electrified,
Six-car
Monorail!
What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!
[crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!
[big finish]
Monorail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh!

Walt Disney World monorails collide head-on, one killed.

According to witnesses, a monorail was returning from Epcot when it slammed into the rear of the other train.

Submitard.

tiggerfan: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Forget 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.

Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

That ride was just a rip off of Eastern Airlines Dreamflight :)

The original was Eastern's "If You Had Wings"

Tui: tiggerfan OT: Do you happen to post on MiceChat under the same screen name?

No.jtown: "According to witnesses, a monorail was returning from Epcot when it slammed into the rear of the other train."

How is this a head-on collision?

It's not. It just looks that way.

featherspy: From what I understand the driver was not a CP, but rather a local who was working and attending school at the same time. However I know for a fact that College Programmers do operate monorails, so you could theorhetically have someone as young as 17 or 18 driving, though I have no proof of this.

Had to work directly under a monorail today, but they weren't running so it was ok :X

You have to be 18, hold a valid drivers license, and not be color blind.

Babbs: All right, I'll do it


You really didn't have to. I have the capability of looking up lyrics on Google as well.

tiggerfan:

No.

Oh good, because the one who posts there is kind of creepy,

jtown: "According to witnesses, a monorail was returning from Epcot when it slammed into the rear of the other train."

How is this a head-on collision?

One of the trains bonked its head on the tail end of the other train.

mike.thesauce: if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.

Piss off. Michael Jackson loved to go to Disney World when he was alive. I suppose Chris Hanson would have wanted to talk to him? Hmmm?

chewielouie: The original was Eastern's "If You Had Wings"

This!

That ride is why I fell in love with the romantic age of the Pan Am Clippers:

I took the fam out there last night. We rode the monorail hours before the crash, but not that line.

My question is,

are the trains running today?

thrgd456: I took the fam out there last night. We rode the monorail hours before the crash, but not that line.

My question is,

are the trains running today?

No.

skink: MattyFridays: A bunch of crap about how he is protecting kids by being a suspicious jerkwad

Not to be a total dick, but who made you the arbiter of what is and is not appropriate subject matter for my hobby?

I understand our collective fear of child predators, and share it, having two daughters of my own. However, candid people photography is my favorite kind of picture taking, having grown up on the classic photo essay work of National Geographic.

This means I take pictures of people...Lots of people. The history of 20th century art photography is on my side, here. Candid pictures of other humans, regardless of their age, is acceptable. If you have a problem with that, too farking bad.

Unless you have a law enforcement officer with you, or are one yourself, I have no responsibility to allay your suspicions.

How about my simple right not to have my picture taken?

I have a friend currently divorcing her amateur photog H over mostly this issue. He has exactly your attitude; doesn't get the BFD at all.

Yet protests CCTV and speed cameras. WTF??????

This is him, from his Facebook.



No matter what the reason, this is sad. He was young, and in college. :(

skink: RealFarknMcCoy2: Get your e-tickets ready, folks!

I still have some A, D, and E tickets and the 1978 book they were in. Not really collector valued, as some of the other tickets in the book are gone.

If you still have some unused E tickets in your possession, then either you, your parents, or your entire family was extremely lame.

It's_A_Farking_Secret: How about my simple right not to have my picture taken?

If you're in public, your picture can be taken.

Ouisch: HalfPiper: Is there a chance the line could bend?

Not on your life, my Hindu friend.

Were you sent here by the Devil?

Red Fist Of Harmony:

DarthBrooks: The one with Figment in EPCOT.

The guys that came up with that entire part of the park should be fed into a chipper-shredder feet first.

It was cute when it was new and I was a kid, but now it's just weird and crusty. Need I mention Captain Eo?

I hear they are bringing it back as Captain Ped-EO-phile.

FuturePastNow: It's_A_Farking_Secret: How about my simple right not to have my picture taken?

If you're in public, your picture can be taken.

This. In a public place, you have no expectation of privacy regarding photographs taken by others. That "simple right" you tout doesn't actually exist, Mr. Armchair Constitutional Scholar - and it's not a farking secret.

It's_A_Farking_Secret: How about my simple right not to have my picture taken?

If you ask me not to take your picture, or your family's I will respect that wish...Even though I don't think I am legally obligated not to do so, unless the photos are inappropriate. In all the years I have been photographing people, I have NEVER been confronted about it. So don't start now.

chewielouie: If you still have some unused E tickets in your possession, then either you, your parents, or your entire family was extremely lame.

Or we lived 90 miles from Disney World, and went whenever we wanted to :-P...I actually think this book is from when it changed over from ticket books to single admission.

Let's at least be fair about the "lone single guy over 25 in any disney park" thing.
A single guy over 25 running through all the EPCOT rides and sights is a lot less creepy than a lone guy with a DSLR camera in Fantasyland (Strollerland) or Tomorrowland...

almandot:
Video after the incident. (new window)

I am quite struck that the one Disney employee on the scene is more concerned with video being recorded than with providing meaningful help to the occupant of the immobile train.

hoyt clagwell: I am quite struck that the one Disney employee on the scene is more concerned with video being recorded than with providing meaningful help to the occupant of the immobile train.

I'm not.

radioshack: 20,000 leagues: Worst Disney ride ever.

SHUT YOUR MOUTH!

My first "real" job (other than slave labor in the family business) was driving a submarine at Disney World.

Yes, we actually "drove" them (big stretch of the word). It was a really cool summer for a 16-year-old. People didn't seem to realize that when the "submarine" - a really good carnival ride car - went back under the waterfall and "dived" - just some bubbles - it really went back into a room out of sight.

When I worked there, parts of that room was a break area for employees, complete with high school kids like me hanging out and smoking. For parts of the ride, the sub cruised along platforms that allowed friends to walk next to me an talk to me thru a little hatch.

It was also really fun to watch idiots on the ride below me. You would be amazed at the number of people who didn't seem to realize it was all just a stupid illusion and I was perched up above looking down at them. At least 10 times in a shift I sat there and watched completely oblivious couples get stinky fingers.

Hey - it relieved the abject boredom.

too2ez: At least 10 times in a shift I sat there and watched completely oblivious couples get stinky fingers.

True story. One night late on the Epcot Beam I get a call on the intercom from the back car. Pick it up (Not unusual that late at night, people asking if parking trams are running, can I go through the closed park to get to Boardwalk etc.). This guy goes "Can you slow down, we aren't finished yet".

And there have been a couple of cameras left behind too. We usually look at the pics on the digital ones to see if we recognize someone that just got off recently. Well, in this case the pics were a bit adult in nature. About an hour later we get a frantic call from a couple that lost their camera. Yes we have it. They come down, I ask them to describe it. Guy describes it perfectly, I go to give it back to him and he says "I can show you that there are pics of us on it if you want me to". Hardest straight face I've ever had to keep as a cast member.

As a former operator of the Six Flags Over Texas LaSalle's River Adventure, I'm getting a kick, etc.

/watch your step as you head out.
/watch your head as you step out.

Another chronic masturbator meets his doom.

almandot: Allow me to quote user NormalVisual from disney fan site micechat.com

The short, short version is that Monorail Central cleared Monorail Pink in reverse into the Concourse (the Epcot side of the TTC) station without being aware that Monorail Purple was still in the station.

The short, short, short version is that Disney outsourced their maintenance to the Washington, D.C. Metro system.

Came for the FAIL pic.
/Too soon apparently.

1) Adventurer's Club
2) Innerspace
3) Mr. Toad
4) They need a new version of Muppets 3D

madblader: Another chronic masturbator...

Hey -- let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

itazurakko: RealFarknMcCoy2: Now that's old-school!!! (and hotlinked)

Japanese amusement parks I went to as a kid had that system - but by the time Tokyo Disneyland opened in 1983, it was single price admission. Expensive as fark, but single price.

With the older amusement parks, used to be if you got a kid's admission you didn't get any of the best rides in the little book of tickets it came with, so you had to buy those extra from vending in the park.

When Tokyo Disneyland first opened and all the rides were brand new, everything was smooth smooth. There was a room where you saw some dioramas of history and the room turned to different stages, but it was so smooth we couldn't tell at first if the room is moving or the stage is moving (the American one had a similar ride "America Sings" I found out later). Anyway, one of the sections had a robot girl on a piano who gives a speech. My mother actually thought it was a real kid and made a loud comment about how that must be an awesome summer job, and people laughed. Ah, good times...

Much later I went to the one in Anaheim (original Disneyland) and was kinda disappointed to see that so many of the rides were identical other than being in English, just because I'd thought all the parks would be completely different.

you rode MEET THE WORLD, and yes, the stages rotated around the audience center. It is no longer there, sadly.

\

RealFarknMcCoy2:
Get your e-tickets ready, folks!

Now that's old-school!!! (and hotlinked)

/old enough to remember e-tickets
//knows the meaning of "more fun than an e-ticket ride at Disneyland"

The Hall of Presidents was an E-Ticket attraction???? Wow.

Nightmaretony: you rode MEET THE WORLD

Ha! Yes, that's it. I'd not looked that thing up ever, definitely remember the signs now I googled it.

Ah, good old 80's memories!

Years ago some friends and I were waiting to board a monorail at the Polynesian resort. I had been told by another pilot earlier in the day that you could ride in the cockpit if you asked, so I did, and the captain told me that would be OK as he exited the vehicle.

We stook there for quite a while, and when he didn't return, I figured out how to open the door and we climbed inside. When he returned, he was a little upset we'd done that, but eventually settled down. As he pulled out of the station, he told us the story of another monorail crash that had happened some time before. Must be the '74 incident that's related in this thread:

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/showthread.php?t=6118

I should add that it was late, late at night when the above happened.

Tom_Slick: It looks like it happened at a station, so it was probably a rear-end crash.

It was rear-end. There is no possible way for monorails to crash head-on, since they all go the same direction on one track.

And I didn't even have to RTFA to know that.

HalfPiper: Is there a chance the line could bend?

Not on your life my half-Scot friend.

/track, not line

Maybe he was distracted by...

http://monorail-girl.com/

NSFW

dstanley

Just to let you know, the people mover is actually the blue train ride thingy in Tomorrowland inside the Magic Kingdom. But thanks for playing :)

Monorail/subway trifecta now in play? Where will it strike next?!

amster77: dstanley

Just to let you know, the people mover is actually the blue train ride thingy in Tomorrowland inside the Magic Kingdom. But thanks for playing :)

Just to let you know, that's actually the Tomorrowland Transit Authority

knoxvelour: Just to let you know, that's actually the Tomorrowland Transit Authority

Originally named the Wedway People Mover :)

tiggerfan: knoxvelour: Just to let you know, that's actually the Tomorrowland Transit Authority

Originally named the Wedway People Mover :)

Prior to the 1994 refurbishment

knoxvelour: Prior to the 1994 refurbishment

And still marked as such on the control console as you enter Space Mountain on it :)

mike.thesauce: if you're over 12, and don't have kids, and are STILL going to any disney park, mr. hanson would like to have a word with you.

/please have a seat over there.

Up yers, dude. Paradise Island at Downtown Disney is for 21 and up. Epcot is a lot more fun without kids in tow, since you get to enjoy places like the Biergarten and not have to endure screaming rugrats. Animal Kingdom is great for taking photos.

Disney parks are great without kids.

/was 46 when I took my first trip to Walt Disney World

knoxvelour: I wish some pink would back up into my purple

Golf clap sir. Well done.

Jim_the_Fierce: Walt Disney World monorails collide head-on, one killed.

According to witnesses, a monorail was returning from Epcot when it slammed into the rear of the other train.

Submitard.

Christ, I know farking better too.

I hereby sentence myself to seven consecutive trips through "Small World"

knoxvelour Quote 2009-07-05 08:35:57 PM
amster77: dstanley

Just to let you know, the people mover is actually the blue train ride thingy in Tomorrowland inside the Magic Kingdom. But thanks for playing :)

Just to let you know, that's actually the Tomorrowland Transit Authority

*BOOP*

tiggerfan [TotalFark] Quote 2009-07-05 08:39:01 PM
knoxvelour: Just to let you know, that's actually the Tomorrowland Transit Authority

Originally named the Wedway People Mover :)

*BIP*


knoxvelour Quote 2009-07-05 08:41:32 PM
tiggerfan: knoxvelour: Just to let you know, that's actually the Tomorrowland Transit Authority

Originally named the Wedway People Mover :)

Prior to the 1994 refurbishment

*BOOP*

tiggerfan [TotalFark] Quote 2009-07-05 08:45:56 PM
knoxvelour: Prior to the 1994 refurbishment

And still marked as such on the control console as you enter Space Mountain on it :)

*BIP*

You can bet that Disney will no longer allow people to ride up front with the Pilot from now on. If you have any of the Co-Pilot cards, keep them.

Lived near WDW for 5 years, with 2 small children. Have ridden up front countless times. Good times always.

and yes, I like Gladiator miveis, and I HAVE been in a Turkish Prison.

radioshack: 20,000 leagues: Worst Disney ride ever.

They reopened it as a "Finding Nemo" submarine ride at Disneyland and I thought it was quite entertaining when I rode it in May.

Meh, adding to the tally of Disney World experiences, remember when you could smoke a joint in the Pirates of the Caribbean waiting lines?

actually, where I live, NO you cannot photograph me, ever, sans permission. (new window)


so fark you shutterbugs. get a good memory.

My summer job in high school was driving the 'subs' at the Magic Kingdom (~ 1988). On my last day of work, my bastard co-workers threw be in the farking lagoon.

It's_A_Farking_Secret: actually, where I live, NO you cannot photograph me, ever, sans permission. (new window)
so fark you shutterbugs. get a good memory.

If you read the legal opinion in your own link, the only restriction is on publication, and even then no permission is required if the person is already a public figure or the object of a legitimate news story.

So say cheese, Farker.

dstanley: I hereby sentence myself to seven consecutive trips through "Small World"

Don't even MENTION that thing!!

/must think of other songs... must think of other songs...

It's_A_Farking_Secret: actually, where I live, NO you cannot photograph me, ever, sans permission. (new window)


so fark you shutterbugs. get a good memory.

Are you in the witness protection program or do you just worry about your soul being stolen.

As I said to someone else here. Face this fact: Somewhere on the internet, someone has your photo. And has used it in an abhorrent sexual fantasy.

This is going to sound terrible, but I noticed the victim was a senior at Stetson University... and I know how much it costs to attend. The first thought that popped in my head was, "Wow, that was an enormous waste of money!"

I feel bad for the family for their loss, seriously. I'm sure the tens of thousands of tuition down the drain isn't even a blip on their screen. But I couldn't help but have that thought.

Gordon Bennett: What a pity that it is gone. I adore mid twentieth century futurism.

Precisely.

Does this make Disney the "Crash-y-isy place on Earth" ?

/just asking

RealFarknMcCoy2: DarthBrooks: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Get your e-tickets ready, folks!

Now that's old-school!!! (and hotlinked)

/old enough to remember e-tickets
//knows the meaning of "more fun than an e-ticket ride at Disneyland"

I've used that to describe some women I know.

I've crashed monorails in Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook--and, by gum, it put them on the map.

skink

try this website.

Link (new window)

and the best part....

Link (new window)

Everything you remember from WDW and EPCOT, if you went there in the 70's & 80's.

Your welcome

whoops, I reversed the order of those links, but you see what I mean.

/on my third glass o' vino

From an anonymous commenter at Themeparkinsider.com:


Submitted anonymously for fear of termination - Monorail pink was clear of the station and stopped (waiting for the track switch to switch for another beam), and monorail purple was given clearance to enter the station. For some reason, someone gave monorail pink authorization to reverse to back into good position after a slight overtravel. Apparently they never switched it back to forward and monorail pink ran full speed in reverse back into the station hitting monorail purple. The CM who died was not at fault, and was doing his job. The fault CM was either the one in the Control Tower, The Pink driver, or the Manager who was supervising the transfer procedure. Any of these news reports about 'suicide attempts' are inappropriate and sorely mistaken. He followed his Tower's commands and died because of their mistake.

Link (new window)

fiddle-faddle: Your welcome

Thanks, man! I bookmarked the HELL outta that one!

skink: fiddle-faddle: Your welcome

Thanks, man! I bookmarked the HELL outta that one!

No prob, I'm actually surprised that the website still exists. It's actually better now.

Really good resource from a former castr member. I grew up in Florida for a while, and now I live in Orlando. I'm just glad there are a few people who remember the rides the way they once were.

AirForceVet: Meh, adding to the tally of Disney World experiences, remember when you could smoke a joint in the Pirates of the Caribbean waiting lines?

"remember when"????

When I left DL security in 2004, we were still chasing pot smokers out of just about every line in the park, and I have no reason to think anything has changed.

The only reason you're not doing it now is only because you're not brave enough to do it, is my guess.

Gyrfalcon: AirForceVet: Meh, adding to the tally of Disney World experiences, remember when you could smoke a joint in the Pirates of the Caribbean waiting lines?

"remember when"????

When I left DL security in 2004, we were still chasing pot smokers out of just about every line in the park, and I have no reason to think anything has changed.

The only reason you're not doing it now is only because you're not brave enough to do it, is my guess.

Just out of curiousity why did you leave? I always thought that this type of gig would be pretty good.

kxs401: From an anonymous commenter at Themeparkinsider.com:


Submitted anonymously for fear of termination - Monorail pink was clear of the station and stopped (waiting for the track switch to switch for another beam), and monorail purple was given clearance to enter the station. For some reason, someone gave monorail pink authorization to reverse to back into good position after a slight overtravel. Apparently they never switched it back to forward and monorail pink ran full speed in reverse back into the station hitting monorail purple. The CM who died was not at fault, and was doing his job. The fault CM was either the one in the Control Tower, The Pink driver, or the Manager who was supervising the transfer procedure. Any of these news reports about 'suicide attempts' are inappropriate and sorely mistaken. He followed his Tower's commands and died because of their mistake.

Link (new window)

I absolutely believe that. I don't know how the DW monorail station is set up (I worked at DL) and an accident like that probably could not have happened at that speed, but it certainly could have happened. If the spur track wasn't reset to divert the incoming train...oh, yes.

Late, but that's ok because it's hotlinked:

soupbone: Gyrfalcon: AirForceVet: Meh, adding to the tally of Disney World experiences, remember when you could smoke a joint in the Pirates of the Caribbean waiting lines?

"remember when"????

When I left DL security in 2004, we were still chasing pot smokers out of just about every line in the park, and I have no reason to think anything has changed.

The only reason you're not doing it now is only because you're not brave enough to do it, is my guess.

Just out of curiousity why did you leave? I always thought that this type of gig would be pretty good.

Hours sucked, union (SEIU) sucked worse, and I got totally frustrated with the security policy after 9/11, which involved taking away all our power, discretion, visibility, and proactivity; and then required us to "get out there and let people see you; but don't be too obvious about it."

Seriously. When they took loss prevention off shoplifting detail, made us watch the access points 8 hours a day with no breaks, but had no plan in place for what we should do if we saw something suspicious--I had to leave.

It's_A_Farking_Secret: actually, where I live, NO you cannot photograph me, ever, sans permission. (new window)


so fark you shutterbugs. get a good memory.

1. The people you were quoting were discussing the act of taking pictures in a US located Disney property. Therefore, Quebec laws don't apply and are really irrelevant to this discussion.

2. From your own link, the comments below cite many exceptions to requiring permission, including (but not limited to) the below:

-A. When public interest prevails
-B. When you are in the photo in an "incidental manner"
-C. When said photo is used in a noncommercial manner



Next time try to keep up with the thread, dearie. It makes you look less dumb. I shouldn't have to do your research and destroy your arguments with your own "proof".

Unfortunately it wasn't the bastard who decided to close the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride

Man, I've been to Disney World maybe seven times in my life, and EVERY TIME I WENT, the damned 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride was closed for maintenance. Every.Single.Time.

So I never got to ride it.

However, I did see Captain EO when it debuted, so now that MJ's dead I have one more MJ recollection than a lot of the younger crowd. They can buy Thriller, but they can't experience Captain EO as it was those many years ago.

I also managed to purchase a limited edition statue of a skull from the Haunted Mansion gift shop. It's dated and signed by the sculptor, and it formerly sat in the window of the shop as a "not for sale" prop, but as they were out of skull statues at the time, the person working the counter sold that one to me. I believe they were unaware that it was unique and not one of the mass-produced skulls they sold in the shop.

But that still doesn't make up for never getting to ride 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea...

ZeroCorpse: However, I did see Captain EO when it debuted, so now that MJ's dead I have one more MJ recollection than a lot of the younger crowd. They can buy Thriller, but they can't experience Captain EO as it was those many years ago.

I remember "Captain EO," it was at Tokyo Disneyland for a long time, complete with subtitles (subtitles in 3D movies are weird they sort of float in the mid-ground).

But, I actually preferred the original experimental showcase film they had before "Captain EO." That one didn't really have much of a story but it just had scenes designed to show off the 3D technology. Part of it is a shot of kids on a merry-go-round and they have to grab the brass ring, it floats in front of your face (you can't get it of course) and then one of the kids reaches out and grabs it.

In fact on NPR yesterday there was some feature about new 3D movies in American theaters that don't have red and blue cellophane cheap glasses but rather polarized fancy plastic lenses, and I was wondering, surely that's the same ones they had at Disneyland way back when, it was explained to us those were polarized, and it was interesting to borrow my brother's one and stack it on mine opposite eye to opposite eye and see it goes opaque, even though it just looks like sunglasses.

Honestly though I don't think I've seen a 3D movie SINCE "Captain EO."

Honestly, I am completely shocked by this accident. I have ridden in the front the the driver a few times and always was impressed ny Disney's safety record with the monorail.

That said I wonder how many E-Tickets it would cost to ride this now?

/still had complete unused ticket books from when WDW first opened

I moved to Winter Springs in '86 and we got year passes the first week or so we were there. Awesome 5 years... Must have been to each park 30-odd times.
Go ride thunder mountain? OK, then off to The Land restaurant at EPCOT for dinner.
Back when Imagination still had Dreamfinder and the Imageworks was upstairs and cool. (The whole thing has sucked for years, now)
Back when If you had Wings was still there.
Mission to Mars too.

Why do I remember the Pirates sometimes having a drop/fast descent at the beginning, sometimes not?

But, I actually preferred the original experimental showcase film they had before "Captain EO." That one didn't really have much of a story but it just had scenes designed to show off the 3D technology. Part of it is a shot of kids on a merry-go-round and they have to grab the brass ring, it floats in front of your face (you can't get it of course) and then one of the kids reaches out and grabs it.

Magic Journeys, IIRC. Preceded by the catchy "Makin' Memories"

irving47: I moved to Winter Springs in '86 and we got year passes the first week or so we were there. Awesome 5 years... Must have been to each park 30-odd times.
Go ride thunder mountain? OK, then off to The Land restaurant at EPCOT for dinner.
Back when Imagination still had Dreamfinder and the Imageworks was upstairs and cool. (The whole thing has sucked for years, now)
Back when If you had Wings was still there.
Mission to Mars too.

Why do I remember the Pirates sometimes having a drop/fast descent at the beginning, sometimes not?

Pirates at DisneyLAND has a massive drop at the beginning.
Pirates at DisneyWORLD does not.

Has to do with the watertable at Orlando being so much higher--there wasn't the depth to put in a big drop in DW. You may be remembering DL, because DisneyWorld never had Mission to Mars--that was only at DLand, and it was 86'd in the early 90's.

irving47: I moved to Winter Springs in '86 and we got year passes the first week or so we were there. Awesome 5 years... Must have been to each park 30-odd times.
Go ride thunder mountain? OK, then off to The Land restaurant at EPCOT for dinner.
Back when Imagination still had Dreamfinder and the Imageworks was upstairs and cool. (The whole thing has sucked for years, now)
Back when If you had Wings was still there.
Mission to Mars too.

Why do I remember the Pirates sometimes having a drop/fast descent at the beginning, sometimes not?

Disneyland's Pirates has two drops at the begining to take you under the train tracks and into the show building, while Disney World does not have the drops.

kxs401: From an anonymous commenter at Themeparkinsider.com:


Submitted anonymously for fear of termination - Monorail pink was clear of the station and stopped (waiting for the track switch to switch for another beam), and monorail purple was given clearance to enter the station. For some reason, someone gave monorail pink authorization to reverse to back into good position after a slight overtravel. Apparently they never switched it back to forward and monorail pink ran full speed in reverse back into the station hitting monorail purple. The CM who died was not at fault, and was doing his job. The fault CM was either the one in the Control Tower, The Pink driver, or the Manager who was supervising the transfer procedure. Any of these news reports about 'suicide attempts' are inappropriate and sorely mistaken. He followed his Tower's commands and died because of their mistake.

Link (new window)

I love how the guy submits anonymously but his IP pops up. Nice job, I'm pretty sure Disney has people who can cross-ref that stuff.

irving47: Magic Journeys

Totally that's it, a.k.a. 「マジック・ジャーニー」. Man now I'm looking up all these old things...

kxs401: From an anonymous commenter at Themeparkinsider.com:


Submitted anonymously for fear of termination - Monorail pink was clear of the station and stopped (waiting for the track switch to switch for another beam), and monorail purple was given clearance to enter the station. For some reason, someone gave monorail pink authorization to reverse to back into good position after a slight overtravel. Apparently they never switched it back to forward and monorail pink ran full speed in reverse back into the station hitting monorail purple. The CM who died was not at fault, and was doing his job. The fault CM was either the one in the Control Tower, The Pink driver, or the Manager who was supervising the transfer procedure. Any of these news reports about 'suicide attempts' are inappropriate and sorely mistaken. He followed his Tower's commands and died because of their mistake.

Link (new window)

pink wouldn't have been able to go in reverse at full speed if purple was so close. the safety system needed to be overridden and even then the top speed would have been 15mph.

also, why would pink wait for the track to switch and then back up? it would either take the full trip back to epcot or reverse back to above timberline drive. this explanation doesn't make sense.

i can see the train traveling in reverse so it could transfer to the shed, but how didn't the purple driver not see the pink train reversing back?

Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

soupbone: Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

There are currently three movies like this in Epcot -- one in the China pavilion, one in France, and one in Canada. I think they call them "Circlevision" or something similar.

soupbone: Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

I thought that was at Universal Studios?

bighairyguy: RealFarknMcCoy2: DarthBrooks: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Give us Delta Dreamflight back!

Screw that - gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Get your e-tickets ready, folks!

Now that's old-school!!! (and hotlinked)

/old enough to remember e-tickets
//knows the meaning of "more fun than an e-ticket ride at Disneyland"

I've used that to describe some women I know.

And I've used it to describe one particular man I know. ;-)

/that's what I was hinting at...

kxs401: soupbone: Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

There are currently three movies like this in Epcot -- one in the China pavilion, one in France, and one in Canada. I think they call them "Circlevision" or something similar.


No this was back in the 80's and possibly the early 90's. It doesn't exist anymore I'm pretty sure. Wait maybe it was Canada. Man I know it had scenes like forests, water etc. and it seemed as though it was a flythrough. It was definitely a circle vision style attraction.

soupbone: kxs401: soupbone: Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

There are currently three movies like this in Epcot -- one in the China pavilion, one in France, and one in Canada. I think they call them "Circlevision" or something similar.


No this was back in the 80's and possibly the early 90's. It doesn't exist anymore I'm pretty sure. Wait maybe it was Canada. Man I know it had scenes like forests, water etc. and it seemed as though it was a flythrough. It was definitely a circle vision style attraction.

Link (new window)

kxs401: soupbone: Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

There are currently three movies like this in Epcot -- one in the China pavilion, one in France, and one in Canada. I think they call them "Circlevision" or something similar.

I just youtubed O Canada and I think you are right on. That looks like maybe what I remember and it's been since the 80's since I've been. Every time we go back I skip this and now I'm upset because since I've been a kid I thought it was an attraction that closed. Thanks!

the driver had a one track mind

/Too soon?

soupbone: kxs401: soupbone: Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

There are currently three movies like this in Epcot -- one in the China pavilion, one in France, and one in Canada. I think they call them "Circlevision" or something similar.


No this was back in the 80's and possibly the early 90's. It doesn't exist anymore I'm pretty sure. Wait maybe it was Canada. Man I know it had scenes like forests, water etc. and it seemed as though it was a flythrough. It was definitely a circle vision style attraction.

Good god, I hope you're kidding. Otherwise I'll have to hunt you down and kill you.

[It was "America the Beautiful" you communist bastard]

Gyrfalcon: soupbone: kxs401: soupbone: Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

There are currently three movies like this in Epcot -- one in the China pavilion, one in France, and one in Canada. I think they call them "Circlevision" or something similar.


No this was back in the 80's and possibly the early 90's. It doesn't exist anymore I'm pretty sure. Wait maybe it was Canada. Man I know it had scenes like forests, water etc. and it seemed as though it was a flythrough. It was definitely a circle vision style attraction.

Good god, I hope you're kidding. Otherwise I'll have to hunt you down and kill you.

[It was "America the Beautiful" you communist bastard]


Bwahaha! I was around 6 years old so I only have vague memories of it. i just remember the circle vision theater, the fly through scenes, and hanging on the hand rail and getting fussed for it. I'll youtube that and see if it brings back any more memories.

bown:
The Hall of Presidents was an E-Ticket attraction???? Wow.

Once upon a time resurrecting the dead was exciting. Nowadays it's become so routine that it has lost its glamor. I pine for the simpler times.

isamudyson: That said I wonder how many E-Tickets it would cost to ride this now?

The monorail system, as part of the WDW transport system, never charged a ticket...Disneyland may have been different.

Verlorenes Metallgeld,

if you are going to post a roller coaster tycoon screen shot, it has to be a monorail.

Damn... I'm hoping it's the asshat who decided the Swiss Family Tree House should be whatever the hell it is now...

knoxvelour: irving47: I moved to Winter Springs in '86 and we got year passes the first week or so we were there. Awesome 5 years... Must have been to each park 30-odd times.
Go ride thunder mountain? OK, then off to The Land restaurant at EPCOT for dinner.
Back when Imagination still had Dreamfinder and the Imageworks was upstairs and cool. (The whole thing has sucked for years, now)
Back when If you had Wings was still there.
Mission to Mars too.

Why do I remember the Pirates sometimes having a drop/fast descent at the beginning, sometimes not?

Disneyland's Pirates has two drops at the begining to take you under the train tracks and into the show building, while Disney World does not have the drops.

SLight correction: WDW does have a small drop, but it serves no real purpose other than storytelling.

soj4life: Verlorenes Metallgeld,

if you are going to post a roller coaster tycoon screen shot, it has to be a monorail.

Still, it was pretty funny.

Mono meaning One and Rail meaning Rail.

Gordon Bennett: TheHopeDiamond: DarthBrooks: gimme Monsanto's Journey to Inner Space and TWA's Rocket to the Moon, biyatch!

Or at least re-create the Monsanto Houseof the Future:

House of the Future (new window) I'd give just about anything to live in that house.

What a pity that it is gone. I adore mid twentieth century futurism. It's so artificial, geometrical, and unflinchingly optimistic.

I want my jet pack, dammit.

Heck, I'd be satisfied just with a flying car.

itazurakko: ZeroCorpse: However, I did see Captain EO when it debuted, so now that MJ's dead I have one more MJ recollection than a lot of the younger crowd. They can buy Thriller, but they can't experience Captain EO as it was those many years ago.

I remember "Captain EO," it was at Tokyo Disneyland for a long time, complete with subtitles (subtitles in 3D movies are weird they sort of float in the mid-ground).

But, I actually preferred the original experimental showcase film they had before "Captain EO." That one didn't really have much of a story but it just had scenes designed to show off the 3D technology. Part of it is a shot of kids on a merry-go-round and they have to grab the brass ring, it floats in front of your face (you can't get it of course) and then one of the kids reaches out and grabs it.

In fact on NPR yesterday there was some feature about new 3D movies in American theaters that don't have red and blue cellophane cheap glasses but rather polarized fancy plastic lenses, and I was wondering, surely that's the same ones they had at Disneyland way back when, it was explained to us those were polarized, and it was interesting to borrow my brother's one and stack it on mine opposite eye to opposite eye and see it goes opaque, even though it just looks like sunglasses.

Honestly though I don't think I've seen a 3D movie SINCE "Captain EO."

Magic Journeys and Captain Eo used the polarized lenses trick to preserve color quality. If you ever want to lose the effect, simply tile your head left or right and you will see the double image.

We are working on a glassless 3D system for the movie in 2009 that uses a dynamic parallax illusion to achieve the effect. am excited on this one :) Watch for it.


mAGIC jOURNEYS AND

Nightmaretony: We are working on a glassless 3D system for the movie in 2009 that uses a dynamic parallax illusion to achieve the effect. am excited on this one :) Watch for it.

no WAY - I'd like to hear more about that

skink: isamudyson: That said I wonder how many E-Tickets it would cost to ride this now?

The monorail system, as part of the WDW transport system, never charged a ticket...Disneyland may have been different.

(Very late to the party but...)

Originally the Monorail was a stand alone ride in Tomorrowland (Disneyland). There were no hotels then, the ride was a closed loop.

I wonder if subby is from Seattle and never been to either Disneyland or Walt Disney World? Up here the monorails have drivers seats at both ends, there is only one track and they go back and forth.

Our family got to ride in the front with the pilot our first trip to WDW. The man was a veteran and kept us entertained with many tidbits of Disney trivia.

My most heartfelt condolences to the young man's family.

>>Has to do with the watertable at Orlando being so much higher--there wasn't the depth to put in a big drop in DW. You may be remembering DL, because DisneyWorld never had Mission to Mars--that was only at DLand, and it was 86'd in the early 90's.

DisneyWorld has a drop, but if the DL drop is bigger, I don't know.

DisneyWORLD DEFINITELY did have Mission to Mars at one point, because I rode it and I've never been to California.

20,000 Leagues ride was only marginally better than the lame-ass gokarts.

Bring me the head of the asshole who keeps farking with classic rides and decided to close Horizons!

Sorry, I miss the old "Hope for the future" way of thinking at Disney.

DL, because DisneyWorld never had Mission to Mars--that was only at DLand, and it was 86'd in the early 90's.
DisneyWORLD DEFINITELY did have Mission to Mars at one point, because I rode it and I've never been to California.

Yes, there was definitely a Mission to Mars at MK/DW. I was reading about it on Wikipedia last night. Closed in '93. Building re-used as the ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter. Before being re-vamped to the Stitch teleportation thing. Apparently, he broke out of containment by sneezing mucus onto stuff.

Got to do 20,000 twice, back when you had to tear tickets out of a book.

I was too freaked out by Inner Space and Mission to Mars....I wish I could have gone on them, I was 9 in 1979.

Now the kids get that stupid Stitch motion simulator thing.


but nothing, NOTHING compares to the retro awesomeness of Space Mountain

Bah I'm trying to figure out the name of the attraction that featured a 360 degree video. If I remember correctly you just stood around and watched the video and it took you through various scenes not unlike Soarin'. I cannot seem to remember the name.

At Disney World, it was Magic Carpet Around The World. I forget the sponsor, though. I remember three other things very distinctly:

1. It was blessedly air-conditioned in the theater
2. There weren't seats...you just stood in rows, hanging onto a rail.
3. People would lean left or right to avoid stuff that was heading "toward" them. It was funny as hell to watch.

It looks eerily like a BART accident that just happened here in the Bay Area.

What, no love here for the WEDWay Peoplemover at WDW? It was the perfect thing to do when our munchkin overheated and started biting people. No line, nice shady relaxed ride around Tomorrowland...

There was definitely a "Mission to Mars" ride @ WDW; we passed by it several times ON THE WEDWAY PEOPLEMOVER! With awesome CGI effects that were easily of the order of a high-quality Space Angel or Clutch Cargo episode. Not to mention the awesomeness that was "Seat Shifting G-Force Simulation Technology".

crunch-o-matic: but nothing, NOTHING compares to the retro awesomeness of Space Mountain

Unless you're standing in the loading area when a glitch forces them to turn on all of the lights inside the mountain for 15-20 minutes... sorta ruins the illusion when you have time to study the layout ("Oh... it's a fairly undramatic roller coaster ride inside of a rather nasty-looking building").

CMVenom: knoxvelour: irving47: I moved to Winter Springs in '86 and we got year passes the first week or so we were there. Awesome 5 years... Must have been to each park 30-odd times.
Go ride thunder mountain? OK, then off to The Land restaurant at EPCOT for dinner.
Back when Imagination still had Dreamfinder and the Imageworks was upstairs and cool. (The whole thing has sucked for years, now)
Back when If you had Wings was still there.
Mission to Mars too.

Why do I remember the Pirates sometimes having a drop/fast descent at the beginning, sometimes not?

Disneyland's Pirates has two drops at the begining to take you under the train tracks and into the show building, while Disney World does not have the drops.

SLight correction: WDW does have a small drop, but it serves no real purpose other than storytelling.

No real purpose other than of course ... going under the train tracks. Granted, the tracks are built up on a bit of a berm, but yeah, you go under the train. And then you ride the moving sidewalk style ramp going back up to exit the ride. Here's an aerial shot from WikiMapia of the POTC area of Magic Kingdom, and you can see where the WDW Railroad passes between the 2 buildings that make up POTC. Clicky (new window)