accelerus: retarded idea from a retarded woman.

Does she realize the fact that she's a woman.... talking about driving automatically discredits her? Every close call i've had on the road was from some dumb coont that was just floating down the road. I hope the woman doing this has the word "WHORE" painted on her car for bringing up stupid issues like this.

Back to the point -- why not at the same time have a big sticker that goes next to this that says "VIRGIN" in big letters.

When I see a student driver on the road, I make it a point to try to scare the shiat out of them, usually by dropping into 1st or 2nd and wildly accelerating up to them then tearing off next to them. Open piped LS7 at full wail will scare anyone :)

You are either a colossal idiot with an impressively small male organ, or a mildly retarded 17 year old boy.

chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

I am a centralist libertarian, and I hate the Nanny State to the Nth degree. However, at least I know what is a constitutionally protected right and what isn't. This isn't one of them.

I have ZERO problem with novice drivers having restrictions until they have several years of experience under their belt and then pass a secondary driving test. My only request would be that it be applied to all ages equally. Recent immigrant to the US from Liberia and you've never driven an automobile in your 40 years on earth? Stand in line next to the 16 year old over there.

If people are farking with novice drivers, then perhaps we need some sting operations to take care of the problem. Many of the stunts described above should be reason for revoking the asshat's own driving privileges.

accelerus: retarded idea from a retarded woman. Does she realize the fact that she's a woman.... talking about driving automatically discredits her? Every close call i've had on the road was from some dumb coont that was just floating down the road. I hope the woman doing this has the word "WHORE" painted on her car for bringing up stupid issues like this.

At first I wondered what kind of person would let something as trivial as this get them so angry...

When I see a student driver on the road, I make it a point to try to scare the shiat out of them, usually by dropping into 1st or 2nd and wildly accelerating up to them then tearing off next to them. Open piped LS7 at full wail will scare anyone :)

...and then I began to understand what kind of person you are.

We have them in the UK.

They just make me angrier at dumb ass new drivers. I do my best to make them nervous and push them off the road...

Great Janitor: Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?


You've... uh... put a lot of thought into this.

Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

BevinKB: Brown Leaf for the older and experienced drivers.

the older driver tag isn't meant to imply the driver is "experienced", it's to indicate the driver is "so old they might be a hazard"

Dinjiin: I have ZERO problem with novice drivers having restrictions until they have several years of experience under their belt and then pass a secondary driving test. My only request would be that it be applied to all ages equally. Recent immigrant to the US from Liberia and you've never driven an automobile in your 40 years on earth? Stand in line next to the 16 year old over there.

Here here.

I know my driver training was crappy.

Fano 2009-07-05 04:03:25 PM
Great Janitor: Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?


You've... uh... put a lot of thought into this.

Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Next night, repeat in the parking lot in a different mall. Keep the rear end light enough that it's nothing more than a paint transfer so you can clean it off easily (probably have to rear end at a red light or a stop sign).

baka-san: Ringshadow: Actually I plan on getting one of those when I start driving a stick shift. May as well let everyone know.

You cant drive a standard...

Sadly, no. My personal car is an automatic. I've tried to drive sticks, and it didn't end well. In a ten speed, I had a hell of a time finding fifth. In a five speed, I had a hell of a time finding third. It's fairly low on my to-do list, but I do plan on mastering it eventually.

the ha ha guy: Canadian Canuck: I guess I just live in a place where people are more tolerant of others.

1941 Germany was more tolerant than most Americans are today.

Yeah, they also didn't have reckless teenage goons crashing their cars into ditches because they wanted to be cool whiling driving with a car full of hot underage poon.

The fact of the matter is this, if the magnet/ sticker is enough to convince a few of these morons to stay off the road, and it's expanded to all new drivers, and in the long run helps to lower my car insurance just 20 - 50 bucks, I'm all for it.

This isn't nanny state, this is just plain common sense.

I'm sick of being cut off by these little ignorant farkers.

Great Janitor: Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Because it's so much trouble to park your car in the lot and just eye the doors directly for the hott chixx?

So if there is a fine for not having these magnets on the cars, could I basically screw over a lot of teens just by stealing their magnets?

Great Janitor: Fano 2009-07-05 04:03:25 PM
Great Janitor: Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?


You've... uh... put a lot of thought into this.

Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Next night, repeat in the parking lot in a different mall. Keep the rear end light enough that it's nothing more than a paint transfer so you can clean it off easily (probably have to rear end at a red light or a stop sign).

You've put a hell of a lot of thought into this.

itazurakko: Great Janitor: Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Because it's so much trouble to park your car in the lot and just eye the doors directly for the hott chixx?

You could lose the hot chick if she's in a crowd. Parking behind the car with a teen driver sticker on it will insure that eventually, she's going to get into her car. The flaw is if there are two teen driver stickers and the hot chick was picked up by her boyfriend, the second best looking teen driver got into the car on the other side of the parking lot with her best friend and you parked behind the car that a hot teen loaned to her brother so he could work his shift at "Claires"

Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Are you kidding me? A FIFO complaining about other people's driving?

Fano: Great Janitor: Fano 2009-07-05 04:03:25 PM
Great Janitor: Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?


You've... uh... put a lot of thought into this.

Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Next night, repeat in the parking lot in a different mall. Keep the rear end light enough that it's nothing more than a paint transfer so you can clean it off easily (probably have to rear end at a red light or a stop sign).

You've put a hell of a lot of thought into this.

Not really. My fiancee likes to watch those shows about serial killers and how they kidnap their young victims. I just paid too much attention to the portion on how they did it. Clearly this mother wasn't.

hicksfa2: Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Your birth certificate is a certification that you were born. And you don't have a right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

Unless you are pulling a good troll, your views of rights are "they are what I say they are."

Great Janitor: You could lose the hot chick if she's in a crowd. Parking behind the car with a teen driver sticker on it will insure that eventually, she's going to get into her car. The flaw is if there are two teen driver stickers and the hot chick was picked up by her boyfriend, the second best looking teen driver got into the car on the other side of the parking lot with her best friend and you parked behind the car that a hot teen loaned to her brother so he could work his shift at "Claires"

All I have to say is, the US sure is one farked up country if these fears are actually serious enough to not allow driving stickers that tons of other countries have.

That's without even starting in on the 'driving is a right because the place is crappily designed' business.

itazurakko: Great Janitor: You could lose the hot chick if she's in a crowd. Parking behind the car with a teen driver sticker on it will insure that eventually, she's going to get into her car. The flaw is if there are two teen driver stickers and the hot chick was picked up by her boyfriend, the second best looking teen driver got into the car on the other side of the parking lot with her best friend and you parked behind the car that a hot teen loaned to her brother so he could work his shift at "Claires"

All I have to say is, the US sure is one farked up country if these fears are actually serious enough to not allow driving stickers that tons of other countries have.

That's without even starting in on the 'driving is a right because the place is crappily designed' business.

Fano: hicksfa2: Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Your birth certificate is a certification that you were born. And you don't have a right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

Unless you are pulling a good troll, your views of rights are "they are what I say they are."

A birth certificate is a certification that you were born so that there an official record of a live birth, but that can't be taken away from you once you're born.

You do have a right to a good education. As to what that definition is, nobody knows. You deserve to know how to read, write, speak, and be a literate, productive member of society.

You do have a right to decent parents. Parents that will nurture and develop you into a proper human being. You don't deserve to get beaten everyday, or parents that are so caught up with being reckless farktards, that through your simple existence- you are a burden on them. And, if you're life is one of those latter cases, there are legal resources to rectify that situation appropriately.

You do have the right to a stable household, and perhaps I should have clarified this a bit more- The right to a stable household as a child (as you get older you deserve what you work for). As a child you should not live on the streets, you should not have to bounce from place to place because of divorce, because of your parents constantly getting evicted.

Those are rights. That's part of the whole life, love, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. How you can even attempt to deny this...You have to not have a soul.

CitizenTed: WTFdoesitmatter: At a minimum, require the magnet to have a parent's phone number.

I think would solve the problem quite well. I endorse.

...because no one would ever give out the wrong phone number or simply take the magnet off. Kids just aren't that smart.

Tell me how you drive, and I'll tell what kind of an asshole you are.

itazurakko: Great Janitor: You could lose the hot chick if she's in a crowd. Parking behind the car with a teen driver sticker on it will insure that eventually, she's going to get into her car. The flaw is if there are two teen driver stickers and the hot chick was picked up by her boyfriend, the second best looking teen driver got into the car on the other side of the parking lot with her best friend and you parked behind the car that a hot teen loaned to her brother so he could work his shift at "Claires"

All I have to say is, the US sure is one farked up country if these fears are actually serious enough to not allow driving stickers that tons of other countries have.

That's without even starting in on the 'driving is a right because the place is crappily designed' business.

The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

Secondly, this does nothing to prevent the shiat that makes driving the number one killer of teens. Speed, drunk driving (either them being drunk behind the wheel or getting hit by a drunk driver), or just being stupid. This is nothing more than a self serving feel good program that she's pushing.

hicksfa2: Fano: hicksfa2: Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Your birth certificate is a certification that you were born. And you don't have a right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

Unless you are pulling a good troll, your views of rights are "they are what I say they are."

A birth certificate is a certification that you were born so that there an official record of a live birth, but that can't be taken away from you once you're born.

You do have a right to a good education. As to what that definition is, nobody knows. You deserve to know how to read, write, speak, and be a literate, productive member of society.

You do have a right to decent parents. Parents that will nurture and develop you into a proper human being. You don't deserve to get beaten everyday, or parents that are so caught up with being reckless farktards, that through your simple existence- you are a burden on them. And, if you're life is one of those latter cases, there are legal resources to rectify that situation appropriately.

You do have the right to a stable household, and perhaps I should have clarified this a bit more- The right to a stable household as a child (as you get older you deserve what you work for). As a child you should not live on the streets, you should not have to bounce from place to place because of divorce, because of your parents constantly getting evicted.

Those are rights. That's part of the whole life, love, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. How you can even attempt to deny this...You have to not have a soul.

I was just following your logic of what doesn't constitute a right. Nobody is FORCING me to jack off, but I'd consider it a right.

as a 17 year old who's been driving on my own for almost a year, I can say that a stupid magnet isn't really going to make a bit of difference. what is even the purpose of it? so if someone sees me with a caution magnet on the back of my car, what, they speed to get away from me or something?

it makes not one bit of difference. the rest of the world should just be paying attention to begin with. i live in NJ with some of the worst drivers in the county.. sorry but while alot of my friends are sucky drivers, so is the rest of the state so they fit right in.

Gameshot911: Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently.

People with much greater knowledge of our legal system have ruled that driving is not a right, yet your opinion outweighs all of that. Nice.

The Declaration of Independence is a notice of termination to the government of Britain. It is not a part of our legal system. Cite me a legal case where the DoI was directly used to make a judgment.

As for the Ninth Amendment to the COTUS, it does not specifically grant rights when none previously existed:

"[T]he ninth amendment does not confer substantive rights in addition to those conferred by other portions of our governing law. The ninth amendment was added to the Bill of Rights to ensure that the maxim expressio unius est exclusio alterius would not be used at a later time to deny fundamental rights merely because they were not specifically enumerated in the Constitution." -- US Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, Gibson v. Matthews (1991)

If you go back and read drafts of the Ninth written by Hamilton and Madison, they raised concern about this exact kind of interpretation of enumerating various rights, since it could lead to courts creating phantom rights not specifically granted.

Since ratification, there have been numerous judgments as high as the SCOUTS that hold a similar viewpoint. Current case law states that the Ninth is NOT a Pandora's Box of rights. End of story.

Great Janitor: So if there is a fine for not having these magnets on the cars, could I basically screw over a lot of teens just by stealing their magnets?

They have them in Australia as well - I saw more than one kid take it off the car and throw it in the back seat when parking.

bingo the psych-o: simply take the magnet off

Actually, the way I see it maybe working in the US is to have magnets required on the car (removable, not stickers). Then, in some town with overzealous police perhaps they might spot check obviously young kids they see driving without a sticker.

But otherwise, it would be an after the fact punishment enhancer, IF you get in an accident (your fault or not) and it comes out in the investigation that you were supposed to have the mark but you removed it, you get an extra penalty (similar to some of the cellphone laws on the books).

If there's a fine for not having the magnet on when you're supposed to have it, the hot chixxor working at the mall will take the thing off when she exits the car, and only put it back on when she gets in - this both foils the 0.00001% chance of running into a perv like Great Janitor is talking about, prevents the thing being stolen by some other kid for kicks, AND lets the hot chixxor drive a variety of cars.

In short, imagine a system like handicapped hangtags. Not permanently attached to the car.

Great Janitor: The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

But STILL what are your odds? You have to weigh the costs and benefits, otherwise you can live your life wrapped in bubble wrap in the living room and force your kids to stay on a leash.

This is almost as stupid as "provisional licenses," the 21 year old drinking age, and mandatory seat belt laws.

If we are going to state that the age of majority is 18, then we should allow all adult activites at 18:

Driving
Drinking
Smoking
Military Service

Terible idea. People will try to get the teens to hit them. The cops tend to believe the non-teenage drivers whenever there is an accident involving the teen driver.

itazurakko: Great Janitor: The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

But STILL what are your odds? You have to weigh the costs and benefits, otherwise you can live your life wrapped in bubble wrap in the living room and force your kids to stay on a leash.

And there is no benefit to this program. None, zero. All it does it put a beacon saying "Hey, I just got a license, fark with me." which is just what assholes, the police, and anyone else who targets teens will do.

The assholes will simply use the drivers with these magnets as a scape goat for their road rage, or say "Hey, let's fark with this driver."

The police will see these magents and say "Time to follow this person to make sure they're not up to any wrong." which would make a newly licensed driver incredibly nervous.

And the others who target teens would know that they'd have a victim to kidnap, or to get into an accident with that wasn't the teens fault, but con them into believing that it was, or any number of things.

Now, what benefit could having these magnets possibly serve???

mikeisboris: This is almost as stupid as "provisional licenses,"

I don't see a problem with this, I find it different than anything to do with the "age of majority" or whatever it is.

The key though, is that the n00b markers need to be applied to n00bs of ALL AGES. If a 30 year-old learns to drive, he gets the sticker for a year just like the kid who learned in high school.

Reading the thread I'm seeing just how different driving is in the US, as something that all kids supposedly learn. In Japan (a place with n00b markers) it's much less common to learn to drive, it's a skill you have to set out to acquire on your own, with your own money and on your own time, so it's normal for older people to be learning to drive and for people to never bother.

(Apparently fewer people are setting out to get licenses now, after it increasing for decades - found that interesting.)

Great Janitor: And there is no benefit to this program. None, zero. All it does it put a beacon saying "Hey, I just got a license, fark with me." which is just what assholes, the police, and anyone else who targets teens will do.

Like I said, I guess the US is just different.

Fano: hicksfa2: Fano: hicksfa2: Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Your birth certificate is a certification that you were born. And you don't have a right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

Unless you are pulling a good troll, your views of rights are "they are what I say they are."

A birth certificate is a certification that you were born so that there an official record of a live birth, but that can't be taken away from you once you're born.

You do have a right to a good education. As to what that definition is, nobody knows. You deserve to know how to read, write, speak, and be a literate, productive member of society.

You do have a right to decent parents. Parents that will nurture and develop you into a proper human being. You don't deserve to get beaten everyday, or parents that are so caught up with being reckless farktards, that through your simple existence- you are a burden on them. And, if you're life is one of those latter cases, there are legal resources to rectify that situation appropriately.

You do have the right to a stable household, and perhaps I should have clarified this a bit more- The right to a stable household as a child (as you get older you deserve what you work for). As a child you should not live on the streets, you should not have to bounce from place to place because of divorce, because of your parents constantly getting evicted.

Those are rights. That's part of the whole life, love, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. How you can even attempt to deny this...You have to not have a soul.

I was just following your logic of what doesn't constitute a right. Nobody is FORCING me to jack off, but I'd consider it a right.

You're following it incorrectly.

I never implies that "just because I said it means it is", what I'm saying is that the simple things that come natural to us, or the simple things that make normal life possible, those are unalienable rights.

This includes being a master debator, or a cunning linguist

**snicker**

itazurakko: Great Janitor: The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

But STILL what are your odds? You have to weigh the costs and benefits, otherwise you can live your life wrapped in bubble wrap in the living room and force your kids to stay on a leash.

"Professional" teenage kidnappers are very clever. They don't need magnetic signs, they have any number of ways to choose their prey. Professional teenage kidnappers are a scourge on the planet! On a serious note, girls do have to be vigilant when driving. My youngest teenage daughter has been followed by a guy in another car. She pulled over in a public area until they drove around the block once and gave up and drove away. And she said it's happened more than once.

We have "Student Driver" stickers in Ohio. The BMV gives them out when they issue a new driver a learner's permit. However, the use of the sticker on the vehicle is not required.

Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Get into an accident or pulled over without a valid driver's license and when the cop asks you why you don't have a license tell him "It's my right to drive.". He may have difficulty putting the cuffs on you because he'd be laughing so hard.

Get caught driving without a license and your next stop will be the county jail.

Driving is a privilege that can be granted once you demonstrate to the satisfaction to the state that you know the laws of driving and how to control a motor vehicle safely.

The only reason I like this is I will be able to tell if a young woman is old enough for the D when I pull up beside her at a light.

scott88008: itazurakko: Great Janitor: The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

But STILL what are your odds? You have to weigh the costs and benefits, otherwise you can live your life wrapped in bubble wrap in the living room and force your kids to stay on a leash.

"Professional" teenage kidnappers are very clever. They don't need magnetic signs, they have any number of ways to choose their prey. Professional teenage kidnappers are a scourge on the planet! On a serious note, girls do have to be vigilant when driving. My youngest teenage daughter has been followed by a guy in another car. She pulled over in a public area until they drove around the block once and gave up and drove away. And she said it's happened more than once.

There are professional rapists now? I thought they tended to be amateurs.

And down here it's called a provisional licence, and you stick one of these on your car for a year (more now)



Old idea is old.

My kids are not going to grow up with the idea that the ability to drive is a right. It is a skill that takes patience, practice, and testing and people can tell you that you can't practice / participate if you don't do it right. Just like any skill worth having.

It is a privilege if I let you learn at my expense and a privilege if the authorities let you continue after that. Otherwise pull out the bike, scooter, catch the bus/train, or even *gasp* walk. And yes, I beleive this as a resident of a town at least 3 hrs from civilization.

Ringshadow: Sadly, no. My personal car is an automatic. I've tried to drive sticks, and it didn't end well. In a ten speed, I had a hell of a time finding fifth. In a five speed, I had a hell of a time finding third. It's fairly low on my to-do list, but I do plan on mastering it eventually.

My first car was a 4 speed. I learned to drive the day I got it.

Universal precautions.

Treat all bleeding people as if they are HIV+.

Treat all drivers as if they are newly licensed idiots.

Problem solved.

baka-san:

My first car was a 4 speed. I learned to drive the day I got it.

I'm impressed.. and I'm sure I'll figure it out sooner or later.

/as said, low on the priorities list

//Will be having a seat...over there...

Anyone thinking along the lines of profiling? Putting a sticker on the back of a teenagers car to identify them is like painting a bulls eye on their cars. I know no one likes to admit profiling happens and it's kind of a taboo subject since everyone knows law enforcement officials are always honest and don't lie when they think they can get away with it...
God forbid you be a young gay black man who gets pulled over with this sticker on your car.. that an automatic tasing.

Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right.

We have driving tests that are supposed to test for a minimum level of competency. Once you pass this test you have proven to the state that you meet this level of competency and can be trusted to drive.

Now this simply isn't good enough for some people like this twat who has too much time on her hands. She has decided that not only will she lord over all aspects of her own child's life, she will do her best to dictate policy for everybody's children. People like her need to be put in their place.