The "student driver" program here in Grand Forks stopped putting the labels on the cars because people, mainly young people who had their 20s, would keep harassing and screwing with the driver by tailgating, driving slow in front of them down a residential street, braking suddenly, coming up beside them and laying on the horn, tailgating with their brights on, etc. Doesn't sound like much, but for a new driver that amps up the stress level significantly.

Putting "Caution - Newly Licensed" would essentially paint a giant bulls eye on these teens for *ssholes and jerks to screw with them and make a dangerous situation worse.

I'd support this more if we did the same for old drivers.

How about a "Caution - Self-righteous biatch" magnet for her car?

young people who had in their 20s,

Stupid typos.

It'd be easier if all teenagers were forced to drive Smart Cars wrapped in pillows and bubblewrap until they were 21.

No power, no weight, no backseat, takes up very little room in the driveway. Perfect teenager car (from a parent's point of view).

Crosshair: "Caution - Newly Licensed" would essentially paint a giant bulls eye on these teens

I think that was the same argument that came up when a similar idea was proposed for NJ for younger drivers (though, of course this being NJ, the opposition ramped it up to sexual predator magnet). I remember when I got my license and there was no way my dad was letting me on the highways right away. He made sure I was comfortable driving on local roads first (fortunately local roads headed to the beach).

If you let old people, crazy farkers, the morning makeup crew, cell phone abusers, singers, eaters, and the oblivious drive, then you should know we're all taking our chances when we get behind the wheel. If teens shouldn't be behind the wheel, we can fix that.

/otherwise, qui'cher biatchyn

That magnet's going to really help when a lot of teens hit someone headon, run into trees, or roll over in ditches.

Following one, or in Farkers' cases stalking one, to where you can read a magnet is probably the safest place to be.

DRTFA, but does she have a magnet business?

... all that jive...

Japan requires this already:



It's a "new leaf" mark, you have it for one year after getting a license.

/link hot like a car in the sun

...but I should mention that in Japan it's not limited to teens, it's any new drivers.

So that mark has become shorthand for "n00bs" in various other forums/art/snark etc.

Uhh, British Columbia has had this for years.

Crosshair:
Putting "Caution - Newly Licensed" would essentially paint a giant bulls eye on these teens for *ssholes and jerks to screw with them and make a dangerous situation worse.


I guess I just live in a place where people are more tolerant of others. I always give people with "L" on their car a lot of room and I always received that in return when I was learning to drive.

Uhh, British Columbia has had this for years.

Australia too.

I may act differently around a "student driver" car being driven by an unlicensed driver under instruction. I'm not going to care about a P/L/whatever plate. It is an invitation for police to target the driver, not a useful message.

The nanny state has moved to the USA.

In Manitoba, Manitoba Public Insurance distributed little cardboard placards that said "STUDENT DRIVER" to be put up in the rear window of a car.

With some careful folding of the placard, I saw many 16 year olds driving around with MPI endorsement of them as a "STUNT DRIVER".

As an Atlanta resident, I think this doesn't take it far enough. Raising the age to 18 would be a far better option. At a minimum, require the magnet to have a parent's phone number.

As CC mentioned, we've had graduated licensing in BC for years.

Learners have a red [L] magnet on their cars.
Novices have a green [N] magnet.
You keep the [N] until you take a second exam to remove that notation from your license. My wife still hasn't bothered to do so, eight years later.... sigh.

WTFdoesitmatter: At a minimum, require the magnet to have a parent's phone number.

I think would solve the problem quite well. I endorse.

Doesn't the bass-turned-up-way-too-much-that-it-sounds-like-the-car-is-farting shiatty music from a POS or tuner car basically have the same effect?

So, does driving around for hours with a giant STUDENT DRIVER on the car not pass anymore?

itazurakko: Japan requires this already:



It's a "new leaf" mark, you have it for one year after getting a license.

/link hot like a car in the sun

Actually I plan on getting one of those when I start driving a stick shift. May as well let everyone know.

Would any of these placards or magnets make the kid a better driver? How would this make the road any safer for anyone? Can we hurry up inventing the time machine so this broad doesn't reproduce? Or better yet, so her parents don't?

Cap Ten Oblivious: How about a "Caution - Self-righteous biatch" magnet for her car?

THIS.

While I understand that most other countries have you motor around with a letter 'P' on the front or something of that nature, this quote should prove that this old hag's idea is a terrible one:

A: I do because we have so much support from high school principals, police chiefs, people from SADD, people from MADD. We're going to do our best. All I'm trying to do is save these kids from crashing.

MADD and high school principals are some of the biggest asswipes on the planet. Any idea they come up with is going to be horrible.

Wayyyy too many useless laws creating fines...
/F**k your law
//F**k your mom too

While teens are generally retarded about everything, there are plenty of people who shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car at all. Pointless and stupid idea.

Removable magnets are just asking for trouble - teens'll slap those babies on random cars, take 'em off until they get home, etc. We should seriously consider tattooing "New Driver" on their foreheads and making big neon pink "New Driver" signs pained on their car doors mandatory. It's for the children!

I will support this if only they also have one for "over 70 years old driver" tags as well since the over 70 group is the 2nd in traffic accidents and leaving right turn signal on.

I'd support "Caution-putting on makeup" or "Caution-talking on my cellphone" tags.

Canadian Canuck: I guess I just live in a place where people are more tolerant of others.

1941 Germany was more tolerant than most Americans are today.

If they have driver's ed, have hours of road practice under the big "Student Driver" billboard, and pass the road test then just let them drive for chrissakes!

/Susie Kessler - learn to cope. Or how 'bout you just quit driving?

Nemo's Brother: The nanny state has moved to the USA.

As loudmouth opponent of Nanny State tactics, I don't think this is particularly Nanny Statish.

I'd suggest a "Caution-Woman" magnet first.

Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

I'm going to start a campaign similar to this, but for women and asians. Especially asian women.

Crosshair: The "student driver" program here in Grand Forks stopped putting the labels on the cars because people, mainly young people who had their 20s, would keep harassing and screwing with the driver by tailgating, driving slow in front of them down a residential street, braking suddenly, coming up beside them and laying on the horn, tailgating with their brights on, etc. Doesn't sound like much, but for a new driver that amps up the stress level significantly.

Putting "Caution - Newly Licensed" would essentially paint a giant bulls eye on these teens for *ssholes and jerks to screw with them and make a dangerous situation worse.

I'd support this more if we did the same for old drivers.

Japan actually does this.
I just looked on Jlist.com and they have the Green Leaf emblems for new drivers and Brown Leaf for the older and experienced drivers.

Japan's driving schools has the phrase "Please forgive me. I am a beginner driver" written on the hood of their car so other drivers know to take caution.

ah, Fatslave beat me to it.

Crosshair: The "student driver" program here in Grand Forks stopped putting the labels on the cars because people, mainly young people who had their 20s, would keep harassing and screwing with the driver by tailgating, driving slow in front of them down a residential street, braking suddenly, coming up beside them and laying on the horn, tailgating with their brights on, etc. Doesn't sound like much, but for a new driver that amps up the stress level significantly.

Putting "Caution - Newly Licensed" would essentially paint a giant bulls eye on these teens for *ssholes and jerks to screw with them and make a dangerous situation worse.

I'd support this more if we did the same for old drivers.

They did away with the "student driver' signage in my home town for the same reason, and that was in the mid-80's. The way other drivers treated the students greatly increased the chances of an accident. There were even people who would throw rocks at the cars for some unknown reason.

I hate it when people say, "In Europe...." But, in Europe, it is normal to have a sign indicating a beginner driver. People do give them a little more leeway as well. I do not think it is a law though.

Its not that new of a concept. The SSCA (Sports Car Club of America) requires a marking on the rear of all rookie drivers at its racing events.

While this has benefits in a group of mature racing drivers it would, as pointed out above, most likely give a-holes an easy target.

What about "caution - woman" ?

Mr. Titanium: Would any of these placards or magnets make the kid a better driver? How would this make the road any safer for anyone? Can we hurry up inventing the time machine so this broad doesn't reproduce? Or better yet, so her parents don't?

The placards mark that the driver inside the car is still under a certain set of restrictions - in BC, if there's an 'L' placard, the driver has to be accompanied at all times by a licensed driver over the age of 25, must have a zero BAC at all times behind the wheel, can't drive between midnight and 5 am, and can only have two passengers. This is intended to cut down the distractions in the car as the driver gets used to the whole driving thing. That's the first 12 months of their license. Then there's a 24-month period where they've got an 'N' placard; no adult supervision required, but only one passenger is allowed if there's no adult supervisor in the car. Zero BAC still stands.

So no, the placards might not teach them anything. It's the regulations behind the placard that are intended to make them better drivers. The placards are more to alert other drivers that this person might feel more comfortable without some giant SUV riding on their ass, etc. I know I tend to give them a little more room if I see the placard. (And swear more loudly at the little bastards if they cut me off.)

Crosshair: The "student driver" program here in Grand Forks stopped putting the labels on the cars because people, mainly young people who had their 20s, would keep harassing and screwing with the driver by tailgating, driving slow in front of them down a residential street, braking suddenly, coming up beside them and laying on the horn, tailgating with their brights on, etc. Doesn't sound like much, but for a new driver that amps up the stress level significantly.

Simple solution: revoke the harassing drivers' licenses.

Nemo's Brother: The nanny state has moved to the USA.

Bullshiat. More people die in driving accidents every year than anything CNN wharrgarbles about. For all the plane crashes and terrorist attacks that hit the goddamn news there are tens of thousands of people dead or injured in cars.

Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?

FTFA:

Q: What kind of driver are you?

A: I was a nervous driver with the traffic, and I thought, how am I going to let this kid get on the highway? I've got to do something about this. ... I've got to put something on the car that lets everybody know that he's just learning how to drive. So [with a friend] we worked on a design. I wanted to have something positive, so instead of saying "New Driver," or something that the child would be embarrassed about, we said "Newly Licensed."

So, mom is scared of driving in the heavy traffic so she doesn't think her son will have the stones to handle what she can't. I guess the kid should really thank her for even allowing him to have a drivers license.

Q: Your son Donne is 16 now. What does he think of all this?

A: He's like, "Oh man, all my life all I wanted to do is drive. Why does she have to take on this? Couldn't she be feeding the homeless?"


Your mother is an over protective helicopter parent. That biatch is never going to take on anything that doesn't effect you, and she's going to be deep in your business until the day she dies. College won't be your escape. When I was in college (I didnt' start until I was 22), I saw 18 y.o. in the dorm with mothers just like yours. Every weekend they were on campus, making sure the room was clean, pissed that their kid was 18 y.o. and that was the reason the school wouldn't give out any grading information to them, and even pulling them out of school during their first semester when they discovered the opened condom wrapper or cigarette package. Your embarrassment from your mother won't stop when she lets you remove that magnet. It's going to continue for many many more years you poor son of a self righteous bitach.

Japan has a mark for older drivers too

New drivers should be restricted to small light 4-cylinder compacts. As of most accidents come from young kids trying to race or just curious about driving at 100mph.

Dealing with teen drivers is simple. Like my dad told me when I was 16, "You can borrow my car but if you get a ticket or get into a wreck you will not drive again until you get the fark out of my house and buy your own car." I honestly was a better driver back then because I was so fearful on how much life would have sucked without a vehicle.

Putting "Caution - Newly Licensed" would essentially paint a giant bulls eye on these teens for *ssholes and jerks to screw with them and make a dangerous situation worse.

Assholes and jerks who probably wouldn't have a license if the driving test had any teeth to it at all.

Ringshadow: Actually I plan on getting one of those when I start driving a stick shift. May as well let everyone know.

You cant drive a standard...

madblader: New drivers should be restricted to small light 4-cylinder compacts. As of most accidents come from young kids trying to race or just curious about driving at 100mph.

yeah, make all kids drive honda civics and other small compacts.. kids will never want to race them

retarded idea from a retarded woman.

Does she realize the fact that she's a woman.... talking about driving automatically discredits her? Every close call i've had on the road was from some dumb coont that was just floating down the road. I hope the woman doing this has the word "WHORE" painted on her car for bringing up stupid issues like this.

Back to the point -- why not at the same time have a big sticker that goes next to this that says "VIRGIN" in big letters.

When I see a student driver on the road, I make it a point to try to scare the shiat out of them, usually by dropping into 1st or 2nd and wildly accelerating up to them then tearing off next to them. Open piped LS7 at full wail will scare anyone :)

accelerus: retarded idea from a retarded woman.

Does she realize the fact that she's a woman.... talking about driving automatically discredits her? Every close call i've had on the road was from some dumb coont that was just floating down the road. I hope the woman doing this has the word "WHORE" painted on her car for bringing up stupid issues like this.

Back to the point -- why not at the same time have a big sticker that goes next to this that says "VIRGIN" in big letters.

When I see a student driver on the road, I make it a point to try to scare the shiat out of them, usually by dropping into 1st or 2nd and wildly accelerating up to them then tearing off next to them. Open piped LS7 at full wail will scare anyone :)

You are either a colossal idiot with an impressively small male organ, or a mildly retarded 17 year old boy.

chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

I am a centralist libertarian, and I hate the Nanny State to the Nth degree. However, at least I know what is a constitutionally protected right and what isn't. This isn't one of them.

I have ZERO problem with novice drivers having restrictions until they have several years of experience under their belt and then pass a secondary driving test. My only request would be that it be applied to all ages equally. Recent immigrant to the US from Liberia and you've never driven an automobile in your 40 years on earth? Stand in line next to the 16 year old over there.

If people are farking with novice drivers, then perhaps we need some sting operations to take care of the problem. Many of the stunts described above should be reason for revoking the asshat's own driving privileges.

accelerus: retarded idea from a retarded woman. Does she realize the fact that she's a woman.... talking about driving automatically discredits her? Every close call i've had on the road was from some dumb coont that was just floating down the road. I hope the woman doing this has the word "WHORE" painted on her car for bringing up stupid issues like this.

At first I wondered what kind of person would let something as trivial as this get them so angry...

When I see a student driver on the road, I make it a point to try to scare the shiat out of them, usually by dropping into 1st or 2nd and wildly accelerating up to them then tearing off next to them. Open piped LS7 at full wail will scare anyone :)

...and then I began to understand what kind of person you are.

We have them in the UK.

They just make me angrier at dumb ass new drivers. I do my best to make them nervous and push them off the road...

Great Janitor: Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?


You've... uh... put a lot of thought into this.

Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

BevinKB: Brown Leaf for the older and experienced drivers.

the older driver tag isn't meant to imply the driver is "experienced", it's to indicate the driver is "so old they might be a hazard"

Dinjiin: I have ZERO problem with novice drivers having restrictions until they have several years of experience under their belt and then pass a secondary driving test. My only request would be that it be applied to all ages equally. Recent immigrant to the US from Liberia and you've never driven an automobile in your 40 years on earth? Stand in line next to the 16 year old over there.

Here here.

I know my driver training was crappy.

Fano 2009-07-05 04:03:25 PM
Great Janitor: Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?


You've... uh... put a lot of thought into this.

Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Next night, repeat in the parking lot in a different mall. Keep the rear end light enough that it's nothing more than a paint transfer so you can clean it off easily (probably have to rear end at a red light or a stop sign).

baka-san: Ringshadow: Actually I plan on getting one of those when I start driving a stick shift. May as well let everyone know.

You cant drive a standard...

Sadly, no. My personal car is an automatic. I've tried to drive sticks, and it didn't end well. In a ten speed, I had a hell of a time finding fifth. In a five speed, I had a hell of a time finding third. It's fairly low on my to-do list, but I do plan on mastering it eventually.

the ha ha guy: Canadian Canuck: I guess I just live in a place where people are more tolerant of others.

1941 Germany was more tolerant than most Americans are today.

Yeah, they also didn't have reckless teenage goons crashing their cars into ditches because they wanted to be cool whiling driving with a car full of hot underage poon.

The fact of the matter is this, if the magnet/ sticker is enough to convince a few of these morons to stay off the road, and it's expanded to all new drivers, and in the long run helps to lower my car insurance just 20 - 50 bucks, I'm all for it.

This isn't nanny state, this is just plain common sense.

I'm sick of being cut off by these little ignorant farkers.

Great Janitor: Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Because it's so much trouble to park your car in the lot and just eye the doors directly for the hott chixx?

So if there is a fine for not having these magnets on the cars, could I basically screw over a lot of teens just by stealing their magnets?

Great Janitor: Fano 2009-07-05 04:03:25 PM
Great Janitor: Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?


You've... uh... put a lot of thought into this.

Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Next night, repeat in the parking lot in a different mall. Keep the rear end light enough that it's nothing more than a paint transfer so you can clean it off easily (probably have to rear end at a red light or a stop sign).

You've put a hell of a lot of thought into this.

itazurakko: Great Janitor: Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Because it's so much trouble to park your car in the lot and just eye the doors directly for the hott chixx?

You could lose the hot chick if she's in a crowd. Parking behind the car with a teen driver sticker on it will insure that eventually, she's going to get into her car. The flaw is if there are two teen driver stickers and the hot chick was picked up by her boyfriend, the second best looking teen driver got into the car on the other side of the parking lot with her best friend and you parked behind the car that a hot teen loaned to her brother so he could work his shift at "Claires"

Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Are you kidding me? A FIFO complaining about other people's driving?

Fano: Great Janitor: Fano 2009-07-05 04:03:25 PM
Great Janitor: Yeah, this is a wonderful idea. Take a female teenager, give her a car, have her drive home one Friday night from work after closing up the store/restaurant she works at, slap this on her car and see how quickly she gets targeted by a sexual offender.

Now, my question is, if a teen gets kidnapped, raped and killed because your magnet was a beacon for sexual offenders who target teens, are you going to feel somewhat responsible for that teen's death? And if it's a serial rapist who has you to thank for your magnets leading him to 20 teens, how are you going to feel?


You've... uh... put a lot of thought into this.

Not really. But if you are a person who targets teenage women, these magnets are wonderful. First go to the mall parking lot after closing and look for those magnets. Upon finding one, a quick look in the car might be able to tell you if the driver is male or female. If not, then just park the car. If Mall Security pesters you, just tell them that you're picking up your kid who's closing tonight. Watch the car until you see the driver. If it's a female, pursuit, rear end her vehicle and kidnap.

Next night, repeat in the parking lot in a different mall. Keep the rear end light enough that it's nothing more than a paint transfer so you can clean it off easily (probably have to rear end at a red light or a stop sign).

You've put a hell of a lot of thought into this.

Not really. My fiancee likes to watch those shows about serial killers and how they kidnap their young victims. I just paid too much attention to the portion on how they did it. Clearly this mother wasn't.

hicksfa2: Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Your birth certificate is a certification that you were born. And you don't have a right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

Unless you are pulling a good troll, your views of rights are "they are what I say they are."

Great Janitor: You could lose the hot chick if she's in a crowd. Parking behind the car with a teen driver sticker on it will insure that eventually, she's going to get into her car. The flaw is if there are two teen driver stickers and the hot chick was picked up by her boyfriend, the second best looking teen driver got into the car on the other side of the parking lot with her best friend and you parked behind the car that a hot teen loaned to her brother so he could work his shift at "Claires"

All I have to say is, the US sure is one farked up country if these fears are actually serious enough to not allow driving stickers that tons of other countries have.

That's without even starting in on the 'driving is a right because the place is crappily designed' business.

itazurakko: Great Janitor: You could lose the hot chick if she's in a crowd. Parking behind the car with a teen driver sticker on it will insure that eventually, she's going to get into her car. The flaw is if there are two teen driver stickers and the hot chick was picked up by her boyfriend, the second best looking teen driver got into the car on the other side of the parking lot with her best friend and you parked behind the car that a hot teen loaned to her brother so he could work his shift at "Claires"

All I have to say is, the US sure is one farked up country if these fears are actually serious enough to not allow driving stickers that tons of other countries have.

That's without even starting in on the 'driving is a right because the place is crappily designed' business.

Fano: hicksfa2: Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Your birth certificate is a certification that you were born. And you don't have a right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

Unless you are pulling a good troll, your views of rights are "they are what I say they are."

A birth certificate is a certification that you were born so that there an official record of a live birth, but that can't be taken away from you once you're born.

You do have a right to a good education. As to what that definition is, nobody knows. You deserve to know how to read, write, speak, and be a literate, productive member of society.

You do have a right to decent parents. Parents that will nurture and develop you into a proper human being. You don't deserve to get beaten everyday, or parents that are so caught up with being reckless farktards, that through your simple existence- you are a burden on them. And, if you're life is one of those latter cases, there are legal resources to rectify that situation appropriately.

You do have the right to a stable household, and perhaps I should have clarified this a bit more- The right to a stable household as a child (as you get older you deserve what you work for). As a child you should not live on the streets, you should not have to bounce from place to place because of divorce, because of your parents constantly getting evicted.

Those are rights. That's part of the whole life, love, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. How you can even attempt to deny this...You have to not have a soul.

CitizenTed: WTFdoesitmatter: At a minimum, require the magnet to have a parent's phone number.

I think would solve the problem quite well. I endorse.

...because no one would ever give out the wrong phone number or simply take the magnet off. Kids just aren't that smart.

Tell me how you drive, and I'll tell what kind of an asshole you are.

itazurakko: Great Janitor: You could lose the hot chick if she's in a crowd. Parking behind the car with a teen driver sticker on it will insure that eventually, she's going to get into her car. The flaw is if there are two teen driver stickers and the hot chick was picked up by her boyfriend, the second best looking teen driver got into the car on the other side of the parking lot with her best friend and you parked behind the car that a hot teen loaned to her brother so he could work his shift at "Claires"

All I have to say is, the US sure is one farked up country if these fears are actually serious enough to not allow driving stickers that tons of other countries have.

That's without even starting in on the 'driving is a right because the place is crappily designed' business.

The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

Secondly, this does nothing to prevent the shiat that makes driving the number one killer of teens. Speed, drunk driving (either them being drunk behind the wheel or getting hit by a drunk driver), or just being stupid. This is nothing more than a self serving feel good program that she's pushing.

hicksfa2: Fano: hicksfa2: Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Your birth certificate is a certification that you were born. And you don't have a right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

Unless you are pulling a good troll, your views of rights are "they are what I say they are."

A birth certificate is a certification that you were born so that there an official record of a live birth, but that can't be taken away from you once you're born.

You do have a right to a good education. As to what that definition is, nobody knows. You deserve to know how to read, write, speak, and be a literate, productive member of society.

You do have a right to decent parents. Parents that will nurture and develop you into a proper human being. You don't deserve to get beaten everyday, or parents that are so caught up with being reckless farktards, that through your simple existence- you are a burden on them. And, if you're life is one of those latter cases, there are legal resources to rectify that situation appropriately.

You do have the right to a stable household, and perhaps I should have clarified this a bit more- The right to a stable household as a child (as you get older you deserve what you work for). As a child you should not live on the streets, you should not have to bounce from place to place because of divorce, because of your parents constantly getting evicted.

Those are rights. That's part of the whole life, love, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. How you can even attempt to deny this...You have to not have a soul.

I was just following your logic of what doesn't constitute a right. Nobody is FORCING me to jack off, but I'd consider it a right.

as a 17 year old who's been driving on my own for almost a year, I can say that a stupid magnet isn't really going to make a bit of difference. what is even the purpose of it? so if someone sees me with a caution magnet on the back of my car, what, they speed to get away from me or something?

it makes not one bit of difference. the rest of the world should just be paying attention to begin with. i live in NJ with some of the worst drivers in the county.. sorry but while alot of my friends are sucky drivers, so is the rest of the state so they fit right in.

Gameshot911: Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently.

People with much greater knowledge of our legal system have ruled that driving is not a right, yet your opinion outweighs all of that. Nice.

The Declaration of Independence is a notice of termination to the government of Britain. It is not a part of our legal system. Cite me a legal case where the DoI was directly used to make a judgment.

As for the Ninth Amendment to the COTUS, it does not specifically grant rights when none previously existed:

"[T]he ninth amendment does not confer substantive rights in addition to those conferred by other portions of our governing law. The ninth amendment was added to the Bill of Rights to ensure that the maxim expressio unius est exclusio alterius would not be used at a later time to deny fundamental rights merely because they were not specifically enumerated in the Constitution." -- US Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, Gibson v. Matthews (1991)

If you go back and read drafts of the Ninth written by Hamilton and Madison, they raised concern about this exact kind of interpretation of enumerating various rights, since it could lead to courts creating phantom rights not specifically granted.

Since ratification, there have been numerous judgments as high as the SCOUTS that hold a similar viewpoint. Current case law states that the Ninth is NOT a Pandora's Box of rights. End of story.

Great Janitor: So if there is a fine for not having these magnets on the cars, could I basically screw over a lot of teens just by stealing their magnets?

They have them in Australia as well - I saw more than one kid take it off the car and throw it in the back seat when parking.

bingo the psych-o: simply take the magnet off

Actually, the way I see it maybe working in the US is to have magnets required on the car (removable, not stickers). Then, in some town with overzealous police perhaps they might spot check obviously young kids they see driving without a sticker.

But otherwise, it would be an after the fact punishment enhancer, IF you get in an accident (your fault or not) and it comes out in the investigation that you were supposed to have the mark but you removed it, you get an extra penalty (similar to some of the cellphone laws on the books).

If there's a fine for not having the magnet on when you're supposed to have it, the hot chixxor working at the mall will take the thing off when she exits the car, and only put it back on when she gets in - this both foils the 0.00001% chance of running into a perv like Great Janitor is talking about, prevents the thing being stolen by some other kid for kicks, AND lets the hot chixxor drive a variety of cars.

In short, imagine a system like handicapped hangtags. Not permanently attached to the car.

Great Janitor: The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

But STILL what are your odds? You have to weigh the costs and benefits, otherwise you can live your life wrapped in bubble wrap in the living room and force your kids to stay on a leash.

This is almost as stupid as "provisional licenses," the 21 year old drinking age, and mandatory seat belt laws.

If we are going to state that the age of majority is 18, then we should allow all adult activites at 18:

Driving
Drinking
Smoking
Military Service

Terible idea. People will try to get the teens to hit them. The cops tend to believe the non-teenage drivers whenever there is an accident involving the teen driver.

itazurakko: Great Janitor: The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

But STILL what are your odds? You have to weigh the costs and benefits, otherwise you can live your life wrapped in bubble wrap in the living room and force your kids to stay on a leash.

And there is no benefit to this program. None, zero. All it does it put a beacon saying "Hey, I just got a license, fark with me." which is just what assholes, the police, and anyone else who targets teens will do.

The assholes will simply use the drivers with these magnets as a scape goat for their road rage, or say "Hey, let's fark with this driver."

The police will see these magents and say "Time to follow this person to make sure they're not up to any wrong." which would make a newly licensed driver incredibly nervous.

And the others who target teens would know that they'd have a victim to kidnap, or to get into an accident with that wasn't the teens fault, but con them into believing that it was, or any number of things.

Now, what benefit could having these magnets possibly serve???

mikeisboris: This is almost as stupid as "provisional licenses,"

I don't see a problem with this, I find it different than anything to do with the "age of majority" or whatever it is.

The key though, is that the n00b markers need to be applied to n00bs of ALL AGES. If a 30 year-old learns to drive, he gets the sticker for a year just like the kid who learned in high school.

Reading the thread I'm seeing just how different driving is in the US, as something that all kids supposedly learn. In Japan (a place with n00b markers) it's much less common to learn to drive, it's a skill you have to set out to acquire on your own, with your own money and on your own time, so it's normal for older people to be learning to drive and for people to never bother.

(Apparently fewer people are setting out to get licenses now, after it increasing for decades - found that interesting.)

Great Janitor: And there is no benefit to this program. None, zero. All it does it put a beacon saying "Hey, I just got a license, fark with me." which is just what assholes, the police, and anyone else who targets teens will do.

Like I said, I guess the US is just different.

Fano: hicksfa2: Fano: hicksfa2: Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ummm what?

How is driving a RIGHT? You don't HAVE to have a car. Nobody is FORCING you to drive. You are not born WITH a car, and your parents don't HAVE TO BUY YOU ONE WHEN YOU TURN 16.

Driving is a privilege. If it WAS a right, there'd be no need for tests, certifications, registrations, none of that would matter, because those are all things that can be TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU. Unlike a birth certificate, or breathing, or blood circulating through your veins...Or the right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

We really need to all stop thinking we're so damned privileged, that we NEED to have anything, and everything we want. That's how things get dangerous, that's how people become complacent.

Your birth certificate is a certification that you were born. And you don't have a right to a good education, decent parents, and a stable household.

Unless you are pulling a good troll, your views of rights are "they are what I say they are."

A birth certificate is a certification that you were born so that there an official record of a live birth, but that can't be taken away from you once you're born.

You do have a right to a good education. As to what that definition is, nobody knows. You deserve to know how to read, write, speak, and be a literate, productive member of society.

You do have a right to decent parents. Parents that will nurture and develop you into a proper human being. You don't deserve to get beaten everyday, or parents that are so caught up with being reckless farktards, that through your simple existence- you are a burden on them. And, if you're life is one of those latter cases, there are legal resources to rectify that situation appropriately.

You do have the right to a stable household, and perhaps I should have clarified this a bit more- The right to a stable household as a child (as you get older you deserve what you work for). As a child you should not live on the streets, you should not have to bounce from place to place because of divorce, because of your parents constantly getting evicted.

Those are rights. That's part of the whole life, love, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. How you can even attempt to deny this...You have to not have a soul.

I was just following your logic of what doesn't constitute a right. Nobody is FORCING me to jack off, but I'd consider it a right.

You're following it incorrectly.

I never implies that "just because I said it means it is", what I'm saying is that the simple things that come natural to us, or the simple things that make normal life possible, those are unalienable rights.

This includes being a master debator, or a cunning linguist

**snicker**

itazurakko: Great Janitor: The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

But STILL what are your odds? You have to weigh the costs and benefits, otherwise you can live your life wrapped in bubble wrap in the living room and force your kids to stay on a leash.

"Professional" teenage kidnappers are very clever. They don't need magnetic signs, they have any number of ways to choose their prey. Professional teenage kidnappers are a scourge on the planet! On a serious note, girls do have to be vigilant when driving. My youngest teenage daughter has been followed by a guy in another car. She pulled over in a public area until they drove around the block once and gave up and drove away. And she said it's happened more than once.

We have "Student Driver" stickers in Ohio. The BMV gives them out when they issue a new driver a learner's permit. However, the use of the sticker on the vehicle is not required.

Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Get into an accident or pulled over without a valid driver's license and when the cop asks you why you don't have a license tell him "It's my right to drive.". He may have difficulty putting the cuffs on you because he'd be laughing so hard.

Get caught driving without a license and your next stop will be the county jail.

Driving is a privilege that can be granted once you demonstrate to the satisfaction to the state that you know the laws of driving and how to control a motor vehicle safely.

The only reason I like this is I will be able to tell if a young woman is old enough for the D when I pull up beside her at a light.

scott88008: itazurakko: Great Janitor: The sad thing is, that if I, someone who doesn't do such things, can think this up in less than 5 minutes, then those who do this professionally have also thought about this, and eventually, it will happen, and it won't happen just once.

But STILL what are your odds? You have to weigh the costs and benefits, otherwise you can live your life wrapped in bubble wrap in the living room and force your kids to stay on a leash.

"Professional" teenage kidnappers are very clever. They don't need magnetic signs, they have any number of ways to choose their prey. Professional teenage kidnappers are a scourge on the planet! On a serious note, girls do have to be vigilant when driving. My youngest teenage daughter has been followed by a guy in another car. She pulled over in a public area until they drove around the block once and gave up and drove away. And she said it's happened more than once.

There are professional rapists now? I thought they tended to be amateurs.

And down here it's called a provisional licence, and you stick one of these on your car for a year (more now)



Old idea is old.

My kids are not going to grow up with the idea that the ability to drive is a right. It is a skill that takes patience, practice, and testing and people can tell you that you can't practice / participate if you don't do it right. Just like any skill worth having.

It is a privilege if I let you learn at my expense and a privilege if the authorities let you continue after that. Otherwise pull out the bike, scooter, catch the bus/train, or even *gasp* walk. And yes, I beleive this as a resident of a town at least 3 hrs from civilization.

Ringshadow: Sadly, no. My personal car is an automatic. I've tried to drive sticks, and it didn't end well. In a ten speed, I had a hell of a time finding fifth. In a five speed, I had a hell of a time finding third. It's fairly low on my to-do list, but I do plan on mastering it eventually.

My first car was a 4 speed. I learned to drive the day I got it.

Universal precautions.

Treat all bleeding people as if they are HIV+.

Treat all drivers as if they are newly licensed idiots.

Problem solved.

baka-san:

My first car was a 4 speed. I learned to drive the day I got it.

I'm impressed.. and I'm sure I'll figure it out sooner or later.

/as said, low on the priorities list

//Will be having a seat...over there...

Anyone thinking along the lines of profiling? Putting a sticker on the back of a teenagers car to identify them is like painting a bulls eye on their cars. I know no one likes to admit profiling happens and it's kind of a taboo subject since everyone knows law enforcement officials are always honest and don't lie when they think they can get away with it...
God forbid you be a young gay black man who gets pulled over with this sticker on your car.. that an automatic tasing.

Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right.

We have driving tests that are supposed to test for a minimum level of competency. Once you pass this test you have proven to the state that you meet this level of competency and can be trusted to drive.

Now this simply isn't good enough for some people like this twat who has too much time on her hands. She has decided that not only will she lord over all aspects of her own child's life, she will do her best to dictate policy for everybody's children. People like her need to be put in their place.

k4thrynnn: as a 17 year old who's been driving on my own for almost a year, I can say that a stupid magnet isn't really going to make a bit of difference. what is even the purpose of it? so if someone sees me with a caution magnet on the back of my car, what, they speed to get away from me or something?

it makes not one bit of difference. the rest of the world should just be paying attention to begin with. i live in NJ with some of the worst drivers in the county.. sorry but while alot of my friends are sucky drivers, so is the rest of the state so they fit right in.

Yeah basically this.. whenever I'm stuck behind a kid in a student driver vehicle that's going 10 under and randomly braking I blow my horn, flash my lights, and if they don't pull over I pass them over the double yellow lines. The only good this will do is make it easy to target kids who are out past curfew or if they have too many passengers.

It's ok, because when her son drives over
68 he will blow a rod

chrismac: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right.

We have driving tests that are supposed to test for a minimum level of competency. Once you pass this test you have proven to the state that you meet this level of competency and can be trusted to drive.

Now this simply isn't good enough for some people like this twat who has too much time on her hands. She has decided that not only will she lord over all aspects of her own child's life, she will do her best to dictate policy for everybody's children. People like her need to be put in their place.

This.

Once you have passed the test then you have met the priviliges to drive. This sticker is just smoke-filled coffee house crap designed to make parents feel better but to make it a law would take away the privilage they earned for no reason. It be different if the kid was in an accident or had a ticket and was forced, he couldn't handle what was entrusted to him.

hicksfa2: I'm sick of being cut off by these little ignorant farkers.

So that's why so many adults vandalize cars and purposely run teens into the ditch, then call the police and make false accusations? If a driver is an idiot, take THAT DRIVER off the road, don't make everyone else a target for the mistake of one person.

In any case, your gross generalization of new drivers only proves the point I made in my OP. Thanks!

Old news - and it works.

Every study ive seen shows that while teens are in more wrecks , they are at fault LESS of the time. basically they are less able to adapt to other people being numbnuts.

itazurakko: mikeisboris: This is almost as stupid as "provisional licenses,"

I don't see a problem with this, I find it different than anything to do with the "age of majority" or whatever it is.

The key though, is that the n00b markers need to be applied to n00bs of ALL AGES. If a 30 year-old learns to drive, he gets the sticker for a year just like the kid who learned in high school.

Reading the thread I'm seeing just how different driving is in the US, as something that all kids supposedly learn. In Japan (a place with n00b markers) it's much less common to learn to drive, it's a skill you have to set out to acquire on your own, with your own money and on your own time, so it's normal for older people to be learning to drive and for people to never bother.

(Apparently fewer people are setting out to get licenses now, after it increasing for decades - found that interesting.)

This is what I don't get about graduated-licensing laws in most US states. In a lot of states, n00bs under 18 or 21 are required to have a learner's permit, then a restricted license for a period of time before getting a full license. N00bs over the magic age are allowed to walk into the DMV with the required ID, pass the written and driving tests, and leave with full licenses. This is insane. A 30-year-old who lived in lower Manhattan her whole life, had a friend teach him how to drive when he moved to LA and got a license is not necessarily a better driver than an 18-year-old who got his license at 16 after a mandatory driver's ed program.

At least the UK, Oz, and B.C. do it right--a n00b is a n00b. Whether you're 16 or 35, you have the L, N, P, whatever on your car.

/raising the driving age won't help; we'll just have inexperienced 18-year-olds on the roads
//the #1 cause of shiatty teenage driving is shiatty parental driving.

saeufer82: A 30-year-old who lived in lower Manhattan her his whole life, had a friend teach him how to drive when he moved to LA and got a license is not necessarily a better driver than an 18-year-old who got his license at 16 after a mandatory driver's ed program.

/FTFM
//...moved to LA, got a sex change...

Gameshot911: Dinjiin: chrismac: Please stop coming up with new laws to restrict the rights of others

Driving is not a right. Let me repeat myself: driving is not a right.

Driving is a right. I understand the courts don't rule that way currently. But given how America built up, how far apart things are, and how crappy our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely a right.

I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.

1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

2. Ninth Amendment - "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

no, its a privilege to drive on local, state, and gov roads... Anyone is free to purchase a vehicle, and do anything they like with it on private lands...

It is everyones right

Gameshot911: I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.
1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

A bit O/T, but just so you know, the Declaration of Independence is a manifesto, not a law, and has no effect whatsoever in conferring any rights upon a person under any circumstances.

I really wish people would stop referring to the DoI as if it were a piece of legislation with the force of law.

Crosshair: Putting "Caution - Newly Licensed" would essentially paint a giant bulls eye on these teens for *ssholes and jerks to screw with them and make a dangerous situation worse.

I'd support this more if we did the same for old drivers.

I believe they do exactally this in okinawa. They have one sticker design for inexperaianced drivers, and the same sticker in diffrent colors to signify senior citizens.

Nascar does it for rookie drivers

I wouldn't drive for a year. I'd tell my friends I failed the test, because that would be less embarassing than this stupid "NEW DRIVER" bs, and then after the year had passed I'd start driving and tell my friends "yea, fark the law, I do what I want", which means I'd get cool points on top of actually getting away with it.

I think this is a great idea. It would allow me to easily identify people to fark with on the freeway.

If it were me, I'd just put a magnet saying "...to kill" after it.

In N.Ireland we have the 'R' Plate, which not only marks the driver as a novice it restricts the driver to 45MPH, even on motorways. They have to be worn for 1 year after passing the test.

'L' plate learner drivers have to be accompanied and are again restricted to 45.

It probably causes more accidents than it prevents. As soon as the 'R' plates come off, you wind up with drivers jumping up to 60/70Mph with no experience of driving at that speed, then promptly winding up upside down in a field after taking a corner too fast. Not to mention the hassle that an R plate driver can get from other drivers, mainly because they frustrate other road users because of the restriction on thier speed.

The emphasis should be on teaching people how to drive properly in all conditions from the get go, not slamming restrictions on that mark the driver out as a novice or forces them to drive differently from the norm.

Highroller48: Gameshot911: I will skip to the part where you ask me to show you exactly where it is a right.
1. Declaration of Independence - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

A bit O/T, but just so you know, the Declaration of Independence is a manifesto, not a law, and has no effect whatsoever in conferring any rights upon a person under any circumstances.

I really wish people would stop referring to the DoI as if it were a piece of legislation with the force of law.

Look...I know that the DoI is not enumerated rights. I am merely making the case that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is a inalienable right that all Americans have, regardless of whether it is in the Constitution or not.

I consider the ability to travel on public property a right, the ability to get a job in whatever industry I want a right, to jerk it in my own home a right. These things are not privilages, they are rights, and in the same way, having a car is a right. Sure, you can regulate it for safety reasons and common sense, just like I can't get a job as a serial murderer, or take a nap in the middle of the street.

But considering how America has developed, how far apart things are, how crappy (or nonexistant) our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely critical to the lives of most Americans. And in this sense, it is a right to drive a car - and as with all rights it is something that is owned by the people (to be taken away if they screw up), and not something that is to be given by the government as a privilege.

Wow that was poorly written. I apologize in advance.

Gameshot911: Look...I know that the DoI is not enumerated rights. I am merely making the case that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is a inalienable right that all Americans have, regardless of whether it is in the Constitution or not.

I consider the ability to travel on public property a right, the ability to get a job in whatever industry I want a right, to jerk it in my own home a right. These things are not privilages, they are rights, and in the same way, having a car is a right. Sure, you can regulate it for safety reasons and common sense, just like I can't get a job as a serial murderer, or take a nap in the middle of the street.

But considering how America has developed, how far apart things are, how crappy (or nonexistant) our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely critical to the lives of most Americans. And in this sense, it is a right to drive a car - and as with all rights it is something that is owned by the people (to be taken away if they screw up), and not something that is to be given by the government as a privilege.

You have the right to travel on public property. You can walk, ride a bicycle or travel as a passenger.

However, if you want to operate an car, you have to prove you are capable of operating the vehicle safely and with knowledge of the applicable laws. A license is that proof.

Highroller48: Old news - and it works.

My favorite version of this is when the noobs put the "N" on sideways (to try and disguise it or something?)

Hopefully a cops stops them and writes them a nice big ticket for being idiots...

dustman81: Gameshot911: Look...I know that the DoI is not enumerated rights. I am merely making the case that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is a inalienable right that all Americans have, regardless of whether it is in the Constitution or not.

I consider the ability to travel on public property a right, the ability to get a job in whatever industry I want a right, to jerk it in my own home a right. These things are not privilages, they are rights, and in the same way, having a car is a right. Sure, you can regulate it for safety reasons and common sense, just like I can't get a job as a serial murderer, or take a nap in the middle of the street.

But considering how America has developed, how far apart things are, how crappy (or nonexistant) our public transportation system is, a car is absolutely critical to the lives of most Americans. And in this sense, it is a right to drive a car - and as with all rights it is something that is owned by the people (to be taken away if they screw up), and not something that is to be given by the government as a privilege.

You have the right to travel on public property. You can walk, ride a bicycle or travel as a passenger.

However, if you want to operate an car, you have to prove you are capable of operating the vehicle safely and with knowledge of the applicable laws. A license is that proof.

What inherently makes riding a bicycle a right?

k4thrynnn: as a 17 year old who's been driving on my own for almost a year, I can say that a stupid magnet isn't really going to make a bit of difference. what is even the purpose of it? so if someone sees me with a caution magnet on the back of my car, what, they speed to get away from me or something?

it makes not one bit of difference. the rest of the world should just be paying attention to begin with. i live in NJ with some of the worst drivers in the county.. sorry but while alot of my friends are sucky drivers, so is the rest of the state so they fit right in.

Every state has sucky drivers. Your skills will improve once you start commuting, since driving at 70 mph at distances usually referred to as tailgating or drafting (in NASCAR)will sharpen your skills.

Just remember that DRIVING is the primary activity, not talking on the phone, texting, eating, drinking, etc.

\I was a 17 year old driver in NJ once.
\\Learn how to drive in snow and ice and how to navigate a NJ traffic circle and you should be fine.

AgonistAlex: Every study ive seen shows that while teens are in more wrecks , they are at fault LESS of the time. basically they are less able to adapt to other people being numbnuts.

I call pure unadulterated bulshait. Teens generally have quicker reflexes then older drivers, but this advantage is severely tempered by overreacting to stimuli. What's the advantage of reacting 2/10's of a second faster than your mother, if all you're going to do is crank the wheel and pile it into the guard rail?

Teen drivers are probably the safest on the road for the first month after they finish driving school and pass their test. After six months they think they're old hands at it, start driving recklessly, and then the accidents start piling up.

If you've *ever* been involved in a collision you are responsible, no matter what the cop/insurance company says. I used to drive for a living, and I had to quickly learn how to anticipate and avoid other people stupid and reckless behavior, or my company would have fired me. When you're driving 20K miles a year, an accident every 60K or 80K is easy to rationalize. When you're driving 100K or 150K a year, that means two accidents a year, which means your insurance is going to go through the roof, which means you get fired.

Those truckers with one or two million miles accident free? That's not dumb luck, and if you or your teenager is in a wreck, they're at fault for not avoiding it.

the ha ha guy: hicksfa2: I'm sick of being cut off by these little ignorant farkers.

So that's why so many adults vandalize cars and purposely run teens into the ditch, then call the police and make false accusations? If a driver is an idiot, take THAT DRIVER off the road, don't make everyone else a target for the mistake of one person.

In any case, your gross generalization of new drivers only proves the point I made in my OP. Thanks!

...Hold on, my insurance agent is laughing at me through the phone after telling her that...She's quite loud...

Last time I checked, I'm paying higher insurance premiums as a guy opposed to most women my age based upon a "gross generalization" that guys are more aggressive drivers than women. I'm paying a higher premium because I'm under 25 based upon a "gross generalization" that people in my 16 - 25 age bracket are negligent and irresponsible with automobiles.

There was a reason why my insurance when I was 16/ 17 was well over 2400 a year (with USAA) due to this "gross generalization" (I'm a higher risk due to my age, therefore higher premium).

It's because of "gross generalizations" that most insurance premiums are generated in the first place. So if I was to base my decision off of your logic, you're basically trying to tell me that a 16 year old driver is equal or more experienced, less prone to accidents- than me, a 24 year old who has been driving for over 9 years, with no accidents, no speeding tickets, no warnings or other forms of citation(s) due to moving violations, and therefore should be treated the same in terms of laws and insurance premiums...Even though the number ONE raison d'être for people under the age of 18 (and new drivers for that matter) is STILL by-and-large automobile accidents?

Stop fighting for the rights of people that have no business being behind the wheel of a car without substantial supervision. I'm sick of being the sugar daddy that funds the insurance money pot for their epic driving .

In all fairness it DOES make it easier for the cops to find and harass people who are not likely to pay a lawyer to fight bogus tickets in traffic court.

Fano: What inherently makes riding a bicycle a right?

It's not exactly a "right" I suppose, but currently in most places riding a bicycle doesn't require a license.

You can of course be ticketed for breaking the law while doing so, but it seems they recognize that if you're riding your bicycle in the ROAD and you fark up, odds are the only person you'll kill is yourself, so they're less stringent.

Playerslight: Teens generally have quicker reflexes then older drivers, but this advantage is severely tempered by overreacting to stimuli.

I think a good part of the "overreacting to stimuli" thing is just n00bness though rather than some inherent trait of teenagers. Newbies just don't have the experience to filter out the "this isn't really a problem" stimuli.

By necessity teenagers are going to be new drivers, and so it's understandable that they get high premiums and whatever, but I think older adults new to driving need to be viewed with the same suspicion - as they ARE in countries where learning to drive at an older age is common.

As for the older drivers, the really old drivers, I'm thinking perhaps a bumper sticker "this vehicle does not stop for farmers' markets" would do the trick?

lajimi: In all fairness it DOES make it easier for the cops to find and harass people who are not likely to pay a lawyer to fight bogus tickets in traffic court.

Yeah, because cops get to keep that ticket money personally, don't ya know!

That's gotta be one of the most uninformed statements I've read on Fark in...well, okay...hours.

itazurakko: Japan requires this already:



It's a "new leaf" mark, you have it for one year after getting a license.

/link hot like a car in the sun

Israel has a requirement like that too, only not nearly as discreet and tasteful. It's just a sign like those "Baby on Board" signs, except it reads "New Driver." Required for all newly-licensed drivers, not just teens, and I'm not sure for how long it has to be displayed. Oddly - or maybe not - there's no "thing" there that other young people consider it an invitation to screw around with the n00b. Must be a cultural thing in certain locations.

Playerslight: AgonistAlex: Every study ive seen shows that while teens are in more wrecks , they are at fault LESS of the time. basically they are less able to adapt to other people being numbnuts.

I call pure unadulterated bulshait. Teens generally have quicker reflexes then older drivers, but this advantage is severely tempered by overreacting to stimuli. What's the advantage of reacting 2/10's of a second faster than your mother, if all you're going to do is crank the wheel and pile it into the guard rail?

Teen drivers are probably the safest on the road for the first month after they finish driving school and pass their test. After six months they think they're old hands at it, start driving recklessly, and then the accidents start piling up.

If you've *ever* been involved in a collision you are responsible, no matter what the cop/insurance company says. I used to drive for a living, and I had to quickly learn how to anticipate and avoid other people stupid and reckless behavior, or my company would have fired me. When you're driving 20K miles a year, an accident every 60K or 80K is easy to rationalize. When you're driving 100K or 150K a year, that means two accidents a year, which means your insurance is going to go through the roof, which means you get fired.

Those truckers with one or two million miles accident free? That's not dumb luck, and if you or your teenager is in a wreck, they're at fault for not avoiding it.

You can't always blame drivers for being unable to avoid an accident. Sometimes the other idiots on the road are just going to hit you and there's nothing you can do to prevent it. The best you can do is learn to identify poor/novice/elderly drivers on the road and stay the hell away from them to minimise the danger to yourself.

Leper Puppet: You can't always blame drivers for being unable to avoid an accident. Sometimes the other idiots on the road are just going to hit you and there's nothing you can do to prevent it. The best you can do is learn to identify poor/novice/elderly drivers on the road and stay the hell away from them to minimise the danger to yourself.

He's also forgetting that the studies of these teen drivers doesn't include information about the factors leading to their accident. Sure they may not be at FAULT, but from the teen driver's POV, was it a completely avoidable accident had the teen been paying better attention to the road, other drivers, their driving surroundings?

hicksfa2

Rates are based on careful statistical analysis done by the insurance companies who make their living off determing risk and liability. You may be responsible, but on the whole the age group of 16-24 is not and countless of studies have proven this. Insurance companies have no vested interest in turning off potential customers. They simply understand they won't stay in business if they treated everybody equally.

Coincidentally, other psychological studies have confirmed that adults do not develope a full sense of risk assessment until the age of 25. Of course, you may just be special.

japantheman: hicksfa2

Rates are based on careful statistical analysis done by the insurance companies who make their living off determing risk and liability. You may be responsible, but on the whole the age group of 16-24 is not and countless of studies have proven this. Insurance companies have no vested interest in turning off potential customers. They simply understand they won't stay in business if they treated everybody equally.

Coincidentally, other psychological studies have confirmed that adults do not develope a full sense of risk assessment until the age of 25. Of course, you may just be special.


If you read my post carefully, you would have noticed that I wasn't supporting teenage drivers being treated on an equal scale.

I was just merely pointing out the holes in another poster's response to what I said.

Leper Puppet: You can't always blame drivers for being unable to avoid an accident. Sometimes the other idiots on the road are just going to hit you and there's nothing you can do to prevent it. The best you can do is learn to identify poor/novice/elderly drivers on the road and stay the hell away from them to minimise the danger to yourself.

You're correct, of course, but it's an excuse used as a crutch for all sorts of avoidable collisions. Most collisions are caused by people acting incorrectly but entirely predictably. I saw it every day when I was driving professionally. There are few instances of people acting unpredictably, such as some senior citizen missing the brake pedal and stomping on the gas, lurching into a busy intersection against the light. However, if it's a collision involving someone backing out of a driveway, aggressively changing lanes, running a stale red light, missing the point of a yield sign, driving too fast for bad road conditions, or any of those other entirely predictable behaviors, drivers should all be able to avoid those types of accidents.

Want to see something fun someday (for you northerners). Watch the roads during a day when there is freezing rain. This is most noticeable on an interstate, but you'll see hundreds of tractor trailers pulled over on the side of the road, or in rest stops, or anywhere but driving (with the exception of maybe one or two suicidal idiots). Then count the number of cars still trying to navigate those slippery conditions. They'll pile off the road and consider it an 'accident', an act of God that they couldn't have possibly avoided, and remain completely convinced that them sliding off into another car or the ditch was not remotely their fault because the roads were slippery.

Anyway, I'm ranting because the air-conditioning in my office is off and I'm cranky.

I learned how to drive in MD, where they have what is called the "Graduated Licensing System". Basically, this means that you have your learners permit, which you can get at age 15 and 4 months. then, after you pass your drivers exam, complete drivers ed class of around 2 weeks in a classroom, and do the 40+ hours of assisted driving, you can get your Provisional License. I cannot remember the time restriction for how long you need to have your learners permit, but the provisional you must have for 18 months, if memory serves, or until you turn 18. All a provisional license means is that you cannot drive between midnight and 5AM, and there are passenger restrictions, I believe it was no more than two un-fully licensed drivers in the car at once. After you are done with your provi, you get a full pass. Now, MD gives you a "rookie driver" magnet for a similar reason as to this overprotective idiotic projecting biatch, and i had that on my car three times while driving with my dad before he threw it in the trash for my own safety. People will screw with you something fierce if you have that kind of placard on your vehicle. He actually drove on I495 around DC with it one time to see if it was just my driving or if people are douchebags, and sure enough, it was the latter. This magnet is a terrible idea. Someone needs to forward this woman this thread so that maybe she will realize how idiotic her idea is.

/fark can make a difference
//yeah right

On a completely unrelated note, there were a few kids who decided to start the worst band I had ever heard with the name "Rookie Driver" named after the sticker. They were about as talented as the "Final Countdown... LIVE!!!" band.

People have mentioned the stickers in Japan. I`m living and driving here. They are ubiquitous. New drivers of any age and old people (not sure the age) need them on their cars. Basically, they serve as a `give wide berth` signal to other drivers. I believe everyone has equal driving privileges, but the signs alert other drivers to the presence of inexperienced and/or aged drivers with likely slower to respond motor skills. They seem to do a good job too.

If the U.S. culture is such that we really can`t have these signs in cars do to the likelihood of serial rapists exploiting them and an actual increase in aggression from other drivers, I may end up spending more time abroad than I previously thought.

frizzantik: Japan has a mark for older drivers too

When my grandma visited my parents over in Japan, she learned about the senior driver magnet and was amused. She now has one stuck to her car here in the U.S. Not that anyone will recognize what it means...

XCPirate: If the U.S. culture is such that we really can`t have these signs in cars do to the likelihood of serial rapists exploiting them and an actual increase in aggression from other drivers, I may end up spending more time abroad than I previously thought.

This is sort of the new discovery I'm taking from the thread as well. I never heard of people ganging up on people with new leaf stickers back in Japan, I know they don't have them here in the US but I wasn't suspecting the "oh they'll make great targets hahahahaha" response.

But then, the entire "road rage" thing escapes me.

Mrs Kessler's idea is a good one. Now I'll know which drivers to fark with!

/Not really.
//But other, meaner drivers will.
///Could be good for knowing when a chick is legal, though.

Crosshair: The "student driver" program here in Grand Forks stopped putting the labels on the cars because people, mainly young people who had their 20s, would keep harassing and screwing with the driver by tailgating, driving slow in front of them down a residential street, braking suddenly, coming up beside them and laying on the horn, tailgating with their brights on, etc. Doesn't sound like much, but for a new driver that amps up the stress level significantly.

Putting "Caution - Newly Licensed" would essentially paint a giant bulls eye on these teens for *ssholes and jerks to screw with them and make a dangerous situation worse.

I'd support this more if we did the same for old drivers.


Maybe your state is just full of asswipes and jerks. I live in Canada and new drivers are required to have magnets on their cars. There's the "L", for learner's, which you get one you pass your written test. Once you have your L, you need like 40 hours or a set amount of time driving with someone who has their full licence. You have to have your L for 2 years, or 1.5 years if you take driving lessons.

After you've done your time with the L, you try for your "N", aka your "new licence". It's a driving test with an instructor, and they grade you based on certain things you have to know. If you make an "unsafe manuever", you automatically fail no matter how well you were doing.

You're allowed to have your N for 5 years, after which you have to either renew it or go for your full licence. Once you have your full licence, formally known as your "Class 5", then you're a full-fledged driver.

With both the L and the N, you have to have the coloured magnet on the back of your car. If you're pulled over and determined to be an L or N driver, and you don't have it on the vehicle, I would assumed you get fined and/or points are put on your licence. Once you have a certain # of points, they can revoke your licence, impound your vehicle, etc.

I've never seen anyone here screw with L and N drivers - if anything, everyone stays away so they don't get hit or vice versa.

I got my L when I was younger, like 17, and then tried for my N once but failed. I've gotten around by getting rides and using public transit since then.

Highroller48: lajimi: In all fairness it DOES make it easier for the cops to find and harass people who are not likely to pay a lawyer to fight bogus tickets in traffic court.

Yeah, because cops get to keep that ticket money personally, don't ya know!

That's gotta be one of the most uninformed statements I've read on Fark in...well, okay...hours.

That's a general statement on the contents of this thread if I've ever seen one.

"Hyuk hyuk, I'm-a gonna go find a new driver an' make 'em run off the road, hyuk hyuk!" Funny. Really.

hicksfa2: Stop fighting for the rights of people that have no business being behind the wheel of a car without substantial supervision.

I will, as soon as you stop fighting for the right of 50 year olds to slash the tires on the cars of 25 year olds.

And while we're at it, most 80 year olds are in nursing homes under "substantial supervision", so why are so many allowed unsupervised on the road?

We have that here in British Columbia, and quite frankly I don't think it does jack shiat. I still see young drivers flying around like idiots and it doesn't change how older drivers drive around them.

It's a useless waste time and resources to keep track of drivers this way.

I know far too many old drivers who drive like d*ckheads for me to be particularly concerned about young drivers. Besides, WTF am I gonna do anyway, take a detour to avoid them? Everyone should be keeping an eye on every car anyway, there are too many a**holes around. This will not do anything except let HS Seniors identify the Sophomores they want to harass more easily. A completely stupid idea.

the ha ha guy: hicksfa2: Stop fighting for the rights of people that have no business being behind the wheel of a car without substantial supervision.

I will, as soon as you stop fighting for the right of 50 year olds to slash the tires on the cars of 25 year olds.

And while we're at it, most 80 year olds are in nursing homes under "substantial supervision", so why are so many allowed unsupervised on the road?

A) I never called for 50 year olds to slash the tires of 25 year olds. Their insurance rates aren't half as affected as mine by the actions of stupid teenagers.

B) I haven't seen a glut of 80 year olds who are just amped to get behind the wheel of a car. Sure they're dangerous, but when's the last time you read a news story about 5 teens dying in a car because the driver was going over the speed limit, lost control of their vehicle, and smashed head on into a utility pole/ tree/ large structure/ off the side of the road into a ditch which subsequently ended up rolling the car/ etc., etc.

Again, an 80 year old crashing into a ditch, because they're old- That's God's will. A 16 year old crashing into a ditch, because they're young and stupid- That's going to raise my insurance rates because I'm guilty by association. Never mind the fact that I have a spotless driving record, and the only insurance claim I've filed was after my girlfriend's brother accidentally backed into my unoccupied parked car.

Highroller48:
I really wish people would stop referring to the DoI as if it were
a piece of legislation with the force of law.

Gameshot911:
Look...I know that the DoI is not enumerated rights. I am merely
making the case that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is
a inalienable right that all Americans have, regardless of whether
it is in the Constitution or not.

Here, here! People like Highroller48 would make anything
not expressly listed in the Bill of Rights, a privilege granted
to us by the Nanny State.

If government is to err, better that it err on side of freedom.

imi:
In all fairness it DOES make it easier for the cops to find and
harass people who are not likely to pay a lawyer to fight bogus
tickets in traffic court.

Highroller48:
Yeah, because cops get to keep that ticket money personally,
don't ya know!

Yeah, because there is no incentive for cops to write bogus
tickets...



Link (new window)

Random question for any of you Farkers who wish to answer:

Which would you prefer to have?
A) Helicopter Parents
B) Apathetic Parents
C) No Parents at all

Great Janitor: "Now, what benefit could having these magnets possibly serve???"

To highlight the fact that the US is teetering on anarchy and its general public is sorely lacking in ethics?

I mean, almost all the arguments against the magnets here are basically pointing these facts out, right?

Make all new drivers drive a Volvo wagon. Problem solved.

hicksfa2: Again, an 80 year old crashing into a ditch, because they're old- That's God's will.

Two months ago, a 75 year old who was legally blind ran a red light near my house. Two cars hit him, one on each side, and three people died. The 75 year old not only walked away, but managed to sucessfully sue the families for the damage done to his car.

Tell me, is that gods will? This man killed three people, and walked away without even a traffic ticket, yet younger drivers have their tires slashed while they're in place of business, solely because they're young.

Stickers like in TFA would not have stopped that 75 year old man from killing those three people, yet it will cause MORE teenagers and young adults to have their cars vandalized.

The answer isn't putting huge "vandalize me" stickers on cars, the answer is to make the exams tougher, and frequently re-test drivers of all ages to make sure they are fit to be on the road. That would take unsafe drivers of all age groups off the road, as opposed to targeting one age group and ignoring the other, as is already the case.

See the "N" on BC roads all the time. Still, I'd prefer having a N near me that somebody with a Washington plate within 18 car lengths. Worse yet, Alberta... *shudder*, seriously, a lot of people from Alberta are BAD drivers.

Don't really understand why people have to take the shiat out of the younger drivers and their vehicles though. Some of them are jerkasses, but for the most part, they're just trying to get along like the rest of us.

Still, pisses me off when I see a car with N on it go ripping by. One day, I'll come upon a N car, that sped by me, filled with meaty chunks spread along the ditch. Happened to my brother last fall, farked him up for a couple days. 2 girls go ripping by, it was like 'alive alive alive... getting out of sight alive... next time he sees them 5 minute later, one is dead and the other is dying'.

How's THIS for a fancy nickname: Random question for any of you Farkers who wish to answer:

Which would you prefer to have?
A) Helicopter Parents
B) Apathetic Parents
C) No Parents at all

D)Caring parents who care enough about me to raise me properly with good values and enough sense not to push their beleifs on others.

of course, there aren't any of those left, so I'll go with B.

Here's a telltale sign of a bad driver:



/hotlinked

In the UK we have L plates while learning and can use P plates if we wish once passed.

One of my early lessons with my instructor he forgot to put on the L plates. We had no problems with other drivers and I stalled at least once about three times during the first half of that lesson.

He realised about halfway through and put the plates on. The second half of the lesson I was driving better and we had about four or five drivers really tailgating me and generally being asses about being behind a learner.

/This is a bad idea.

Cog: Here's a telltale sign of a bad driver

that's because so many farkers who live in Maryland AREN'T from Maryland. as a native of Maryland, i can't stand what has happened to the place. of course, Virginia drivers are the worst - my god, hangup and pick a freakin lane

Looking at this from a British perspective:
1. Raise the standard necessary to get drivers licences.
2. Tell the police to chase and prosecute those who harass "noob" drivers.

/Contrary to what some have said here, we don't have this system in mainland UK. "L" plates denote learners who must be accompanied by a qualified driver.

None of the farkers in Georgia can drive worth a shiat so I don't see what difference this would make.

Troggie42: D)Caring parents who care enough about me to raise me properly with good values and enough sense not to push their beleifs on others.

of course, there aren't any of those left, so I'll go with B.

Good answer.

FastJeff: Still, pisses me off when I see a car with N on it go ripping by. One day, I'll come upon a N car, that sped by me, filled with meaty chunks spread along the ditch. Happened to my brother last fall, farked him up for a couple days. 2 girls go ripping by, it was like 'alive alive alive... getting out of sight alive... next time he sees them 5 minute later, one is dead and the other is dying'.

The problem here is not young drivers, but inexperienced drivers. Raising the driving age, as some have suggested, simply defers the problem until later. This is a problem in "challenging" driving environments, such as Atlanta at rush hour. Perhaps driving restrictions based on likely conditions would be more suitable. Many people want to ban kids' night driving. Personally I think rush hour driving and driving to school should be prohibited, unless you have employment that requires you to drive to make it to the job.

These parents have never been in a "student driver" car. People are absolute dicks when they see you. They fly by you, slam on their breaks in front of you, honk for no reason and cut you off. So yeah, this plan is just full of win...

You know who else forced people to put identifying logos on their, um, cars?

gdbjr: None of the farkers in Georgia can drive worth a shiat so I don't see what difference this would make.

It's not that they're "slow, not stupid" down here, it's that they're slow AND stupid down here.

/been biatchin' about this since I moved here.

Why is it deserving of the Stupid tag? I love the idea.

Every year in high school, a new crop of freshly-licensed girls would show up with new cars. Within a week, most were dented, some were totaled. Nothing scares me more than being next to a teenybopper biatch in a bohemoth SUV. If I didn't drive a full-size pickup, they'd have rolled right over me. They used to nearly smash into my little car on a daily basis.

/soccer moms don't drive any better
//no, I don't believe that all women are bad drivers

Odd Bird: gdbjr: None of the farkers in Georgia can drive worth a shiat so I don't see what difference this would make.

It's not that they're "slow, not stupid" down here, it's that they're slow AND stupid down here.

/been biatchin' about this since I moved here.

Uh, they drive fast and stupid in Atlanta. Diving 4 lanes to the right to get to an exit, at that.

Highroller48: Old news - and it works.

Does this mean: "The Sheriff is a ni-*BONG*"?

Quick and dirty for itazurakko and Great Janitor.

Zombie Eater: Nothing scares me more than being next to a teenybopper biatch in a bohemoth SUV.

Agreed.

I am a firm believer that a novice driver should be restricted from driving vehicles that exceed a specific weight, that have a specific chassis height above the roadway, that exceed a specific power:weight ratio, and/or a specific length.

If you are on a public road and you have less than two years of experience driving, you should not be the lone driver of an Expedition or a F-250.

Also, I really think that such rules should be enforced at the national level. In fact, I wish that traffic law was defined by the feds and not individual states, counties or cities. If anything counts as a contributor of interstate commerce, it is our public road system.


/what do you mean, right hand turns on a red light after a stop aren't allowed in this state?
//I can't pump my own gas, either?
///are you people retarded or something?

hariseldon 2009-07-06 01:22:58 AM

imi:
In all fairness it DOES make it easier for the cops to find and
harass people who are not likely to pay a lawyer to fight bogus
tickets in traffic court.

Highroller48:
Yeah, because cops get to keep that ticket money personally,
don't ya know!

Yeah, because there is no incentive for cops to write bogus
tickets...


$21,000 in overtime?


Rookie....HPD officers are masters of overtime pay.



As a senior officer in the Houston Police Department, William Lindsey Jr. received a salary of about $72,000 last year.
Because he is on the department's DWI Task Force, however, Lindsey's overtime pay put him at an income level rivaling Mayor Bill White and Police Chief Harold Hurtt.

The 27-year HPD veteran grossed more than $100,000 in overtime pay in 2005, and he wasn't the only task force member pulling in a six-figure income.

Two others in the unit, including Lindsey's supervisor, were boosted above the $100,000 income level last year with significant help from overtime pay.

Though police and prosecutors defend the hefty overtime as an effective means of getting drunken drivers off Houston's streets, critics of the practice say many of those hours are an unnecessary expense that increases the risk of putting physically and mentally fatigued officers on duty.

Lindsey's total income of more than $172,576 from HPD last year put his pay above White's $165,000 but below Hurtt's $184,000. The mayor and police chief are not eligible for overtime pay.

Among the other task force members with six-figure incomes in 2005 was Lindsey's supervisor, Sgt. Edward Robinson, whose $76,055 in overtime pay boosted his overall compensation to $161,722.

Senior police officers like Lindsey are paid roughly $50,000 to $70,000 in salary, before overtime, depending on various incentives for education and certifications, according to employee records obtained by the Houston Chronicle.

How's THIS for a fancy nickname: Random question for any of you Farkers who wish to answer:

Which would you prefer to have?
A) Helicopter Parents
B) Apathetic Parents
C) No Parents at all

I'll go with C because that's how I am already living and it rocks! My parents were losers who abandoned my bro and I, and yet here I am doing just fine. Not having parents is the best thing that has ever happened to me because I am in control of my life and I am doing a pretty good job! Graduated college last May!

People like this need stickers on their cars and tattoos on their hands that read "Likes to tell others how to live their lives".

asciibaron: Cog: Here's a telltale sign of a bad driver

that's because so many farkers who live in Maryland AREN'T from Maryland. as a native of Maryland, i can't stand what has happened to the place. of course, Virginia drivers are the worst - my god, hangup and pick a freakin lane

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/Va rant!/
As a once resident of the state of VA, I can tell you without a doubt that they pick a lane. ALL of them at once. With a cell phone up to their ear, a cup of coffee and cigarette in the other, while changing the radio and screwing around with whatever it is that they keep in the back seat. It really isn't any of those things that concern me. It's the left hand turn from the right lane at highway speeds that tend to tick me off. Well, that or the stopping in the middle of the highway because they missed a turn?!?!?!
//end rant//

As for the busybodies that want to tag new drivers.... How about we tag your car with ABW "a$$hole behind wheel"? That way when new drivers see you, they can run your dumba## off the road for not minding your own business and your own crappy driving..

Seriously, posting a physical sign that a driver is new is tant amount to placing a kick me sign on them. It opens it up so everyone who wants a free ride can do something stupid to get the driver to hit them, knowing they do not have the experience to deal with it. In the litigious society that we live in, all you are asking to do is damn the new drivers!! You were a new driver once, use your brain and remember that everyone deserves a chance to learn, SAFELY!

If you want to focus your efforts, then spend time thinking of ways to get them time behind the wheel without being on an open highway. At least until they have had time to understand how their vehicle operates and gain the experience they need to be safe drivers!!!

/!#$^!#$&^
//Topics like this are why I hate people!!
///Spend more time paying attention to your faults!!!
///Sorry asciibaron, only the first part applied to my comment

hariseldon: Here, here!

It's "Hear, hear". If you're going to attempt to be clever and make incising quips about the views of others, you might wish to at least demonstrate a basic working knowledge of colloquialisms.