That is what happens when you mix Art with Business.

its like Oil and Water. they don't mix, at least without reducing the Art to the level of business.

this country is well on its way to Businessing its Art right out of existence.

but

as long as they Market it well, the Sheeple will gobble it up and Love it!

shower_in_my_socks

Nolan is a dual citizen

Doesn't count; shiat or get off the pot.

I'm not sure I understand what a director brings to the quality of a film. Doesn't it depend in equal part or perhaps even greater part, on the script writer and actors? Why is the director ultimately held responsible for the quality of a film? In a studio-driven bottom-line world, it seems much of the blame for overproduced garbage lies with the studio, and is therefore out of the director's hands...

bamnuke: Never understood the lack of love for Michael Mann, either as producer or director.

Manhunter
Heat
The Insider
Last of the Mohicans
Collateral

All really good movies, The Insider being one of my personal favorites.

/yes, Miami Vice was his turd blossom

yeah dude, Manhunter was SO good, im upset I didn't see it earlier than I had. It kicks the ass of any of the Hannibal movies. I LOVE how its more about the investigation rather than the chase. The tension of not knowing (or the characters not knowing) was insane. it was a real white-knuckle masterpiece.

Good grief. This thread is a perfect example of why. Jesus people..

Tarantino sucks! And have you tried to watch any of those lame ass corny old classics? Look here see.

eddyatwork: If movies today suck so much why are people watching them?

Because there's nothing else to watch! Duh.

Apatow....Apatow....

Oh yeah, hes the guy who shat that Year One POS all over the screen.

Good Director/Producer there.

archichris: Apatow....Apatow....

Oh yeah, hes the guy who shat that Year One POS all over the screen.

Good Director/Producer there.

uh... Harold Ramis there chief.

Bill Frist: Cronenberg

...is Canadian.

P.T. Anderson, David Fincher, Martin Scorsese and the Coen Brothers are all auteur directors.

If subby thinks Tarantino and Apatow are even good directors, then he gets the crap films he deserves.

those are the 2 examples of great american directors?

...

I still gotta see the Brothers Bloom...

mekki: chimp_ninja: Hi. I'm Christopher Nolan. My first major film was farking Memento. I then directed Insomnia, The Prestige, and two Batman movies that you might have heard of. I'm not even 40.


Wait. Nolan's American? Because the article is about American directors.

I believe he has dual citizenship.

Tarantino is good with small budget, character driven scripts. The more money he's given for a film budget, the worse off it is.

That's why i'm not holding out hope for IB.

As long as Albert Pyun keeps making films, the golden age of American cinema will never end.

Holy crap weve gone this far in the thread and nobody has brought up John Favreau. Seriously "Swingers" AND "Iron Man." I love both.

therecksays: Holy crap weve gone this far in the thread and nobody has brought up John Favreau. Seriously "Swingers" AND "Iron Man." I love both.

you beat me to it

mjbok: Someone mentioned Kevin Smith and Tarantino as directors that can pull an audience based on their names. BZZZT. I like Smith, but popular and mainstream are two things he's not.


However, he does have a built-in audience. You know with a Kevin Smith flick that you're getting a guaranteed $30 million.

ODDwhun: (new window)

I would love to see what that is, but i'm in china now and the tube is blocked

TheMarchHare: therecksays: Holy crap weve gone this far in the thread and nobody has brought up John Favreau. Seriously "Swingers" AND "Iron Man." I love both.

you beat me to it

Favreau wrote Swingers, he didn't direct it. He did, on the other hand, direct Made, which was absolutely awful.

No mention of Uwe?



This is bullshiat!

OnmyojiOmn: No mention of Uwe?



This is bullshiat!

He's a "director" in about the same way Keanu Reeves is an "actor".

AuralArgument: I would love to see what that is, but i'm in china now and the tube is blocked

I recommend prune juice.

Two words. Golan. Globus.

Two things they did stand out in my mind.

Superman flying through an office ceiling. You can see the thick brown ropes pulling Chris Reeve up through the ceiling.

The worst was in Assassination with Charles Bronson. There is a chase scene between Bronson and middle-aged bald guy. They are chasing each other and eventually they end up on jet skis. The stunt double for the bald guy consisted of a 20 year old with long hair and a bald cap perched loosely on top of his head.

Studios always use idiots who come in under budget.

here's a "news flash" for you people.

-all movies suck compared to most peoples real lives.

get a farking life.

it's not real.

i have been around longer than some folks...and i can say with some ammount of certainty, that every movie i have ever watched, could have been better.

and i've seen tons of movies.

when i was younger and had kids...i wore out a few vcrs.

seriously...how can anyone claim that one director is better than another?

if they were really talented...they would be jamming in some famous/'not-yet famous' talented band.

if they were really good looking...they would be acting...instead of 'directing'.

they're "hooked up".

it's that simple.

"the dark knight"? wasn't great...it was "ok".

"jaws"?...was so-so.

"star wars"?...come on.

"star trek"...sucked.

"pulp fiction"...was "ok".

it's all relative.

-and it's all crap.

transformers
transformers 2
anything "apatow"
adam sandler
ben stiller
seth rogen
independance day

-so much crap...so little talent.

think of the money you could have saved waiting for these cheese fests to come out on video.

hollywood has always counted on...and banked on, the lowest common denominator.

-the fickle american public.

This thread is now about Bauer's drug abuse.

hey...sorry.

i must be hard to please.

but for christs sake...please.

-go fishing...or "something".

Ridley Scott.

John Carpenter.

James Cameron.

Steven Spielberg.

Where for art thou giants? Shake the world once more so that we know that the gods have not forsaken us.

Bauer: hey...sorry.

i must be hard to please.

but for christs sake...please.

-go fishing...or "something".

Come on, fishing? Sitting and waiting 4 hours for the most boring creature on the planet to nibble your string is more stimulating to you? There are better examples.

Bauer: here's a "news flash" for you people.

-all movies suck compared to most peoples real lives.

get a farking life.

it's not real.

i have been around longer than some folks...and i can say with some ammount of certainty, that every movie i have ever watched, could have been better.

and i've seen tons of movies.

when i was younger and had kids...i wore out a few vcrs.

seriously...how can anyone claim that one director is better than another?

if they were really talented...they would be jamming in some famous/'not-yet famous' talented band.

if they were really good looking...they would be acting...instead of 'directing'.

they're "hooked up".

it's that simple.

"the dark knight"? wasn't great...it was "ok".

"jaws"?...was so-so.

"star wars"?...come on.

"star trek"...sucked.

"pulp fiction"...was "ok".

it's all relative.

-and it's all crap.

transformers
transformers 2
anything "apatow"
adam sandler
ben stiller
seth rogen
independance day

-so much crap...so little talent.

think of the money you could have saved waiting for these cheese fests to come out on video.

hollywood has always counted on...and banked on, the lowest common denominator.

-the fickle american public.

What the hell is wrong with your computer? Alternatively, you need to lay off the jalapenos and meth before bedtime, because you're hitting the punctuation keys like some kind of rabid tweaker with OCD.

Or else you have Parkinson's, in which case sorry for the mockery. Not much, but sorry.

Everyone but me seems to be overlooking one Mister Hershcell Gordon Lewis.

I've been on an H.G. film kick lately. And at 83, he's still directing.

Bauer: but for christs sake...please.

-go fishing...or "something".

...says the lonely insomniac trying to lord his "wisdom" over strangers on the intarwebs in the middle of the night.

Meh...so long as the movie entertains me all else is irrelevant...

sigdiamond2000: peachpicker: I would like to add Wes Anderson

To me, Wes Anderson is the most disappointing director in all of American cinema.

Bottle Rocket is probably in my Top 10 favorite movies of all time, but every movie he's done since then has gotten progressively worse. I didn't see Darjeeling Limited, but Life Aquatic was, honest to God, one of the worst movies I've seen in the last ten years. It's absolutely astounding to me that the same guy who did Bottle Rocket could make such a horrible movie.

Couldn't disagree more. I love both The Life Aquatic and Darjeeling Limited.

Pseudo-intellectual, quasi-eugenics wankary designed to make lonely nerds feel better about themselves.



If you want to help expose people to some of the lesser-known filmmakers out there, then wonderful. But please don't fall into this elitist bullshiat because it's that anti-working class intellectual elitism that helps feed the anti-intellectual trends in our culture.

I love watching and discussing complex films that you can peel like and onion, each layer exposing a new aspect of the director's vision, but I also like to watch stuff blow up and robots fight each other. Is that supposed to be wrong?

Interesting.

Well written, fairly well researched article that completely ignored Ron Howard.

..look. I'm willing to concede that "film critics only like incomprehensible art films", but only if you define Pulp Fiction, The Matrix, The Godfather, Wall-E, Schindler's List, Blade Runner, and Raiders of the Lost Ark as incomprehensible art films.

Personally, I don't think so, but maybe if you're stupid.

NeuroticRocker: i said it once in this thread, but i will say it again in case you missed it.

CHARLIE KAUFMAN.


I couldn't agree with you more.
But Kaufman's work is so farking weird, that many people will just toss it aside. Synechdoche, NY was an acid trip and 99.9% of the population won't understand it.

RevMercutio: However, he does have a built-in audience. You know with a Kevin Smith flick that you're getting a guaranteed $30 million

Not true. I have seen all of Smith's movies in the theater except the original Clerks and Jersey girl (trying to prove that I'm a fan), but his grosses (excluding Clerks for obvious reasons) vs budgets are:

31.5 24
24.2 5
25.3 35
30.1 22
30.7 10
12 250K
2.2 6.1
Totals
156 102.4

Not exactly setting the world on fire. He works much better (about the same BO return) on micro budgets. Give him more money and it doesn't pad the box office.

Formatting got farked, but the info is still there.

mekki: chimp_ninja: Hi. I'm Christopher Nolan. My first major film was farking Memento. I then directed Insomnia, The Prestige, and two Batman movies that you might have heard of. I'm not even 40.


Wait. Nolan's American? Because the article is about American directors.

RevMercutio: TheMarchHare: therecksays: Holy crap weve gone this far in the thread and nobody has brought up John Favreau. Seriously "Swingers" AND "Iron Man." I love both.

you beat me to it

Favreau wrote Swingers, he didn't direct it. He did, on the other hand, direct Made, which was absolutely awful.

Holy crap my bad. I knew he had written and directed "Made." I thought he had done the same on "Swingers." I had forgottern Doug Liman did "Swingers." Liman IMHO did great in "Go", "The Bourne Identity", and "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" I liked all 3.