Yes starting Jan l Hoosiers are no longer entitled to the unemployment insurance that we and our employers paid for. Thanks Mitch! I am sure you know better than I do as to what to do with that money...


Uncle Sam puts his hand in your
shirt and squeezes your tit till
it's purple. (we) Always get the short
end. That's a fact. - Byron Hadley

For the first four weeks of unemployment, workers can accept jobs with the same pay as their last job. As time goes on and they collect more unemployment benefits, they must accept jobs that pay less than their previous wages.


If I was looking for talented people and didn't want to pay a lot for it, I'd 'lose' their application for a month. Then when the applicant had to accept a lower wage i'd hire them on for 10% below market rate. They either accept my job offer or lose unemployment benefits.

Score!

hm..then again, i'm evil. so there's that.

I wonder how this works for highly skilled people... I don't fill out an application until I interview and am accepted for the job.

It would be kind of hard to submit a filled out job application that way.

Now THAT'S a well thought out plan. I mean, after all, unemployed people don't have the time to go to the polls and vote, RIGHT?

Weaver95: i'm evil.

Yes you are. Of course once you've hired them, they'll look for a better job.

I wonder how this works for highly skilled people

I was wondering that too, but in a different way. I can submit my resume to the company's HR computer -- or email it to my friend the hiring manager -- and that counts as an application. But two tech jobs are not as similar as two burger flipping jobs. And it may take a few weeks to set up all the interviews.

First time I filed for unemployment you had to submit a log of where you applied to keep collecting. Second time it was all computerized and you had to call in and press 1 if you were still unemployed.

Couldn't they do something like offer 90% wages the first month, 80% the second, and keep dropping the percentage until the person gets a job or they aren't getting any benefits?

/or just go with a negative income tax equal to the poverty line for every hour worked, up to 40 hours per week. You could reduce welfare and unemployment, and get rid of the minimum wage.

ZAZ: I wonder how this works for highly skilled people

I was wondering that too, but in a different way. I can submit my resume to the company's HR computer -- or email it to my friend the hiring manager -- and that counts as an application. But two tech jobs are not as similar as two burger flipping jobs. And it may take a few weeks to set up all the interviews.

First time I filed for unemployment you had to submit a log of where you applied to keep collecting. Second time it was all computerized and you had to call in and press 1 if you were still unemployed.

What was the number to report a regicide?

Meh this is for the chronically unemployed. I know there are plenty of people out there who want to get jobs and get off of unemployment, but this is for the other half.

/not the best way around
//kinda like capping welfare...only really hurts the kids, not the abusers

Who would want to live on unemployment?

Sitting at home all day sucks.

I mean, you can only fap, eat, and stare at Xbox so long before you want to kill yourself.

dead_dangler: What was the number to report a regicide?

5#96

/whistles walks away

As someone currently unemployed in Indiana, this law has me on both sides of the fence. I have already been doing the 3 actual applications a week, I had no idea that wasn't how it was done already. But the lower pay thing could really be a bummer. Not because of accepting a lower paying job on my end, I'll do what I have to do for my family, but on the employer's end like has been mentioned above. It sounds like a cheap way to get skilled labor.

This is crap.
These people have paid into unemployment INSURANCE for these times. It's not like they are receiving welfare for having done nothing.

I'm not worried. I know Keith Hernandez.

Bippal: It sounds like a cheap way to get skilled labor.

That's what I'd do were I the evil corporate type. Abuse the shiat outta the situation to snarf up skilled labor and come in under industry salary averages.

Bippal: As someone currently unemployed in Indiana, this law has me on both sides of the fence. I have already been doing the 3 actual applications a week, I had no idea that wasn't how it was done already. But the lower pay thing could really be a bummer. Not because of accepting a lower paying job on my end, I'll do what I have to do for my family, but on the employer's end like has been mentioned above. It sounds like a cheap way to get skilled labor.

welcome to supply and demand.
Many skilled workers to choose from = cheap skilled labor

/self-employed skilled labor
//had to drop prices 30% to get work(more supply and demand)

Not only that, but as people are forced to take lower paying jobs, the state will end up making less tax revenue, so they'll have to raise tax rates.

And really, 3 job applications/week? Perhaps you could do one a day? I managed to do that the last time I was on unemployment.

cannotsuggestaname: I wonder how this works for highly skilled people... I don't fill out an application until I interview and am accepted for the job.

It would be kind of hard to submit a filled out job application that way.

Yeah, the only job I filled out an application for and got was a lab assistant in college. Since college I've had two jobs, neither of which I filled out an application for. Every job I filled out an application for I didn't get.

Bippal: It sounds like a cheap way to get skilled labor.

Or drive it out of state. When the going wages for skilled labor drops artificially, the people who are not tied down WILL move.

Conveniently, that decreases the pool of potential employees, so the wages, in theory, can't drop as far, if even at all.

It still drives skilled labor out of state, though.

Bippal: but on the employer's end like has been mentioned above. It sounds like a cheap way to get skilled labor.


Kind of. I'd say the more likely outcome would be the top end of skilled labor leaving the state. i.e. "brain drain." After all, this is Indiana. There are other states nearby. It ain't like this is Alaska, or even Texas where you might have a 9 hr drive just to get to a neighboring state.

This isn't really anything too unreasonable. In VA I have to apply for at least 2 jobs a week. Indiana still only has to apply for 1. The job accepting requirement has the ability to be abused though...

Gotta lower those labor costs, or all the jobs will go overseas. It's just a way of leveling the playing field.

3???

We have to do 6 job searches in Texas a week. My (required to keep) work log looks something like this:

1 Searched, nuttin'
2 Sent resume
3 Searched, nuttin'
4 Searched, nuttin'
5 Sent application online
6 Searched, nuttin'

It is insane to think that you are going to be able to find 6 jobs to apply for a week in this economy. I'm hard pressed to find 2 (and that is me lowering my standards).

pugsleythegreat: Who would want to live on unemployment?

Sitting at home all day sucks.

I mean, you can only fap, eat, and stare at Xbox so long before you want to kill yourself.

43 Days, 13 hours, and 17 minutes to be precise.

Bippal: As someone currently unemployed in Indiana, this law has me on both sides of the fence. I have already been doing the 3 actual applications a week, I had no idea that wasn't how it was done already.

I'm currently unemployed in SC and was quite surprised with how little you have to do to prove you're "looking for work as instructed." They give you a form with these columns: Employer Contacted, Type of Work Sought (Be Specific), Type of Contact (ex. telephone, in-person, resume, wants ads, family) and Results (ex. interview, application taken). There isn't even a date line. We're supposed to have at least 1 entry per week and I would bet good money there is no oversight/ verification.
I also had to register for work with their online system, but seeing as how their postings are riddled with errors and blind links, I doubt it will be any help.

/almost 6 months in
//genuinely trying to get a job

TheGreatGazoo: Not only that, but as people are forced to take lower paying jobs, the state will end up making less tax revenue, so they'll have to raise tax rates.

And really, 3 job applications/week? Perhaps you could do one a day? I managed to do that the last time I was on unemployment.

I really doubt this plan will have much of an effect to lower averafe income, it seems much more catered to prevent people from constantly collecting and never getting a job. People having a meh job over having a welfare collecting job still means more tax money and less spending for the government.bahr: Bippal: but on the employer's end like has been mentioned above. It sounds like a cheap way to get skilled labor.


Kind of. I'd say the more likely outcome would be the top end of skilled labor leaving the state. i.e. "brain drain." After all, this is Indiana. There are other states nearby. It ain't like this is Alaska, or even Texas where you might have a 9 hr drive just to get to a neighboring state.

Are there realy that many highly skilled, employable people on welfare? It seems like if all the companies in the area are looking for your skills you shouldn't have any problem getting a job rather quickly, assuming you actually look.

Last time I was on unemployment was when I was still in California. This was NorCal, so not sure if it still applies elsewhere, but I had to apply for 15 jobs per week. If I didn't hit that number I didn't get my check.

Yeah, 15 per week. Good luck finding that many jobs in one week to apply for, even in a good economy.

The last time I was on unemployment, the State of Michigan told me I had to accept a job that paid only 70% of what I was making before. Thankfully, a better job offer came up a few days later.

Barakku: Are there realy that many highly skilled, employable people on welfare?

No, they're on unemployment.

A person shouldn't get unemployment benefits unless he can prove that he/she is actively seeking employment. People who think that their "highly skilled" status is grounds for sitting back on their laurels and collecting unemployment because they don't want to perform "menial labor" tasks just need a better perspective on life. Do what you can and keep trying for what you want. The experience will be good for you.

I wonder what's going to happen when the unemployment system runs out of money? We've already got 15 states that can only fund unemployment with loans from the federal government, and next year that number could double. So what happens when we keep adding hurdles to get the money, then the money dries up? With more and more people getting put out of work and the job situation only getting worse and not better...what next?

None of this situation is sounding very good.

smallonion: This is crap.
These people have paid into unemployment INSURANCE for these times. It's not like they are receiving welfare for having done nothing.

They call it insurance but it really isn't. Insurance is supposed to restore you to a pre-loss condition. If I'm making $75,000 a year and I'm paying an insurance premium I'd want to be getting the equivalent of my working salary. In Georgia I think the maximum payment is $330 a week before taxes. That's about a quarter of what I would normally make. That's not my pre-loss condition.

And then you also have to pay income taxes. For example if my wife dies and I collect $500,000 in life insurance benefits I don't pay income taxes on that $500,000. If my car gets hit and the repairs are paid by my insurance carrier at a cost of $5000 I don't pay taxes on that $5,000. If I get unemployment payments I have to pay income taxes on those payments.

They call it insurance to make it more palatable for people with a sense of pride but it really is a welfare program. I'm not condemning it, I'm just saying that it's not what it pretends to be.

Barakku:
Are there realy that many highly skilled, employable people on welfare? It seems like if all the companies in the area are looking for your skills you shouldn't have any problem getting a job rather quickly, assuming you actually look.

Kind of, unless all the companies in your area are looking for your skills but there are a bajillion people who also have them.

I was thisclose to accepting a job for less than half what I had been making when I lucked into something for the same range I've been making since 2001. The job market here kind of blows.

Barakku
... it seems much more catered to prevent people from constantly collecting and never getting a job.

Eventually the state stops sending checks and you have to go a certain amount of time with a verifiable employer (at least in IL) before you can apply for unemployment benefits again.

Terrydatroll: A person shouldn't get unemployment benefits unless he can prove that he/she is actively seeking employment. People who think that their "highly skilled" status is grounds for sitting back on their laurels and collecting unemployment because they don't want to perform "menial labor" tasks just need a better perspective on life. Do what you can and keep trying for what you want. The experience will be good for you.

People in the real world don't see it that way. Consider this - it is now more than possible to bust your ass for a company only to lose your job through no fault of your own. Then your boss gets a pay raise for running the company into the ground, and the company gets a federal bailout. Meanwhile your taxes go up, you find it difficult verging on impossible to apply for unemployment AND you can't find a job anywhere near your previous pay scale because nobody is hiring.

So after a couple months of this, your old company comes back and offers to re-hire you...but at a 25% pay cut and complete loss of seniority. plus a benefits cut of course. you either take the job or lose what little is left of your unemployment benefits.

Ah, but the rage! Do that sort of thing to enough people and you WILL face a backlash. sooner or later someone will come along who finds a way to focus all that hatred into a political campaign. THAT is the real danger here.

Isn't this going to force people to only look for high paying jobs or jobs that they are completely unqualified for? Which would make the likelihood of staying on unemployment longer. Not to mention employers are going to get screwed because they are going to be overwhelmed by applications from unqualified people.

I always thought the best way to deal with this unemployment issue would be to require people to do 10-15 hours of community service a week in order to receive benefits. Maybe not the first 4 weeks after losing your job but after a certain time you should be picking up garbage on the highway or doing something productive for society.

This is state-sponsored extortion on behalf of employers.

What's to stop an Indiana employer from laying off half its work force and then publicly offering the laid-off employees their jobs back after 4 four weeks, but at 50% of what they were making before? According to the new rules, the laid-off employees who are still drawing unemployment benefits at that point would be required to take the offer.

I just want to know: Whose dick(s) did Indiana businesses have to suck in order to get this passed? Now you have the state dictating to laid-off workers they they must take the first offer they get, even if the offer is a low-ball? What if the offer isn't enough to cover the employee's needs?

Somebody at the state level thinks they're being clever with this. In fact, this risks destroying what's left of the housing market in Indiana. Think about it: How can you apply for a 30 year mortgage (or any long-term financial commitment) in a state that mandates that you can be forced to take a lower-paying (and perhaps loan-disqualifying) job in the event of a lay-off?

The Great Screwing continues... We'll be just like Mexico in the next 10 years if this crap keeps up.

You should be damn grateful that we have some sort of system for those who fail.

The Poorification of America.

Barakku:
Are there realy that many highly skilled, employable people on welfare? It seems like if all the companies in the area are looking for your skills you shouldn't have any problem getting a job rather quickly, assuming you actually look.

Yes, depending on the job type.

For example, right now lawyers are facing tremendous unemployment. Businesses are in trouble so legal spending is down -- a company will just endure minor legal losses rather than paying for legal help, and will only lawyer up if there is a threat to the company's continued existence. This means all the Biglaw high-rise firms are slashing jobs left and right. No real sympathy for the attorneys who have a few years in the tank and are liquid, but the first to go are the ones who are only a year or two out of law school and have a $1,145.00/mo student loan payment on top of every other expense.

This leaves a laid-off attorney with the option of hanging out a shingle on main street to try to grow a practice (a risky and expensive proposition even in GOOD economic times) or apply for jobs that aren't in the practice of law. Problem is, a company sees that J.D. on the resume, and they won't hire you. They think you'll bolt back to law as soon as the economy turns around or you catch a break.

So you end up probably working in government, where the J.D. isn't a liability, but we all know the government can only eat its own tail for so long before it reaches the breaking point. And that brings us roughly up to today.

Other professions are similar in their own way... no company wants to hire and invest in a person who is overqualified, because the best-case scenario is you have a miserable employee who isn;t making what their credentials cost them, and worst case the employee bolts and takes your client goodwill with him as soon as the opportunity arises.

Weaver95: AND you can't find a job anywhere near your previous pay scale because nobody is hiring.

Alternatively, everyone refuses to hire you for a job that is less skilled than your previous because they fear you'll get an offer similar to your previous job, and they wasted time hiring you just to have you quit a few weeks/months later.

Did you bullshiat today?
No.
Did you try to bullshiat today?
Yes.

So you have to apply for one job per week? Sure, no problem...

Week 1: Applied to be General Counsel with the Church of Scientology
Week 2: Applied to be Chief of Surgery at local hospital.
Week 3: Applied to be Governor of Alaska
Week 5: Applied to be head of MI6 research division
Week 6: Applied to be the owner of FARK.com

See? This is easy!

This is awesome for employers. They can offer minimum wage for even highly skilled jobs, and they'll get takers. The employee might have a degree and be qualified for a $40K a year job, but now the employer can offer half that and the employee will have to take it because he loses everything if he doesn't.

It's probably not a bad idea to do this to welfare people (who are getting money for nothing), but it seems like a real kick in the crotch to the unemployed (who are now getting much less than they were promised when they were paying their insurance premiums).

It's like your homeowner's insurance company saying "well, we know you paid for $1,000,000 of liability insurance, but our bottom line is hurting this quarter so we decided you only get $500,000 now that you need it."

Those on unemployment must now submit at least one job application each week and also look for work at least two other places. Previously, unemployment recipients simply had to conduct three work searches per week.

O okay... >_>

So does that mean that a person simply has to walk into three locations, make an inquiry at each one... and THEN merely obtain a specific form, fill it out, and return it to the person who gave it to them... and that this must be done each week?

O THE HUMANITY!

Weaver95: I wonder what's going to happen when the unemployment system runs out of money? We've already got 15 states that can only fund unemployment with loans from the federal government, and next year that number could double. So what happens when we keep adding hurdles to get the money, then the money dries up? With more and more people getting put out of work and the job situation only getting worse and not better...what next?

None of this situation is sounding very good.

This is why they need to start more of those evil socialist programs to keep people employed. High unemployment and a large amount of people unable to pay their debt is going to get really ugly if we don't do something. We need to bring back the WPA type programs for a while. There are plenty of things that have been left to rot and need repair. Let the govt. develop the programs and either direct hire or contract employees to do the work. Energy efficiency modifications to buildings, low cost green retrofits for houses, repairing schools, putting up to date computers in schools, electronic learning materials so we can dump the bloated private book sales scam, repair roads and infrastructure.

We need to quit listening to the conservatives whining about govt. intervention and anything that doesn't pad some companies wallet.

Weaver95: I wonder what's going to happen when the unemployment system runs out of money? We've already got 15 states that can only fund unemployment with loans from the federal government, and next year that number could double. So what happens when we keep adding hurdles to get the money, then the money dries up? With more and more people getting put out of work and the job situation only getting worse and not better...what next?

What will happen? Simple. The government will raise taxes and print more money (same effect as taxes). Rinse and repeat.

Can'tLetYouDoThatStarFox: Weaver95: I wonder what's going to happen when the unemployment system runs out of money? We've already got 15 states that can only fund unemployment with loans from the federal government, and next year that number could double. So what happens when we keep adding hurdles to get the money, then the money dries up? With more and more people getting put out of work and the job situation only getting worse and not better...what next?

What will happen? Simple. The government will raise taxes and print more money (same effect as taxes). Rinse and repeat.

That's a finite solution. It can't go on forever. We're just about tapped out already.

Bohemian: This is why they need to start more of those evil socialist programs to keep people employed. High unemployment and a large amount of people unable to pay their debt is going to get really ugly if we don't do something. We need to bring back the WPA type programs for a while. There are plenty of things that have been left to rot and need repair. Let the govt. develop the programs and either direct hire or contract employees to do the work. Energy efficiency modifications to buildings, low cost green retrofits for houses, repairing schools, putting up to date computers in schools, electronic learning materials so we can dump the bloated private book sales scam, repair roads and infrastructure.

We need to quit listening to the conservatives whining about govt. intervention and anything that doesn't pad some companies wallet.

Let me ask you a question: why not have the government simply create jobs for everyone? Unemployment could be 0% tomorrow. Why aren't you in favor of that?

I have a follow-up question once you answer that one.

FrancoFile: Did you bullshiat today?
No.
Did you try to bullshiat today?
Yes.

came for this, leaving satisfied.

/it's good to be the king!