The Icelander: And on the subject of jeans: I'm amazed that people will pay more than $150 for jeans that look like they've been sitting in the middle of the highway all day. When I have pants that look like that, I either use them for painting or throw them out.

I was walking by the Abercrombie window at the mall. I stopped and commented that the distressed clothes looked like the reject bin from a Goodwill store. The teenager agreed. If you buy clothes that look like they are 10 years old and you just got done welding in them your an idiot.

Expensive jeans are like expensive anything else: after a certain point, you stop paying for quality and you start paying for name.

But that point of shift is generally much higher than people realize.

Jeans can still be made to last, and if you buy a somewhat expensive pair, they will last you practically forever. People live in jeans. And the higher end ones usually fit a lot better (this, of course, depends on your shape), and keep their shape better.

I'm not going to say "Once you put on a pair of Diesels/Rock & Republic/True Religions, you'll never go back," but you probably will appreciate the difference between those and ones you find at Old Navy a bit more. It's like going to Denny's, then going to Ruth's Chris. Or playing a casio, then playing a Bösendorfer.

/owns Diesels
//also owns Old Navy jeans
///wears the Diesels more often

WaltzingMathilda: gadian: WaltzingMathilda: egads, i'd hate to hear what you guys have to say about people who buy actual high end denim, for 2x as much or more what A&F sells.

We'd still say they were wasting their money for percieved status.

i don't want to alarm you, but designer items generally fit better and last longer. it's the things that are truly "overpriced" that area a waste of money.

e.g., a designer suit is going to look sharper and last through more drycleans than, say, a $200 suit. same goes for denim.

SOME designer clothing fits better and is made better. Many items are simply over priced trendy crap. You really have to know what to look for to find something well made.

Bohemian:
I was walking by the Abercrombie window at the mall. I stopped and commented that the distressed clothes looked like the reject bin from a Goodwill store. The teenager agreed. If you buy clothes that look like they are 10 years old and you just got done welding in them your an idiot.

I don't buy them, but if it is a positive asset for the opposite sex of one's peer group then who the hell are you to judge what they wear?

ScottHimself: Bohemian:
I was walking by the Abercrombie window at the mall. I stopped and commented that the distressed clothes looked like the reject bin from a Goodwill store. The teenager agreed. If you buy clothes that look like they are 10 years old and you just got done welding in them your an idiot.

I don't buy them, but if it is a positive asset for the opposite sex of one's peer group then who the hell are you to judge what they wear?

Ah, but IS it a positive asset for the opposite sex of one's peer group? Has anyone asked?

Gyrfalcon: Ah, but IS it a positive asset for the opposite sex of one's peer group? Has anyone asked?

http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/

I don't buy outrageously priced crap, but I do have a few sets that I wear specifically to go out and meet people I don't know and don't want to know in a week.

Sometimes you have to adapt your scent to suit your prey.

ScottHimself: G_Fish: Abercrombie & Fitch does not carry high end denim.

I'm 20 and wearing a pair of jeans I bought for $15 on the Sale rack of American Eagle. I got a kick, etc.

Where I shop, $15 counts as "full price", not "sale".

ThatsTremendous: Grey Street: Oh no, a counterfeit jeans operation running out of my car hole!

/Sell the jeans and live like a queen!

Was it car hole or car hold? It sounds different each time I hear it. Weird.

Mmmmm.... incapacitating...

Dude, it was quite obviously car hole. Hulu agrees

Impudent Domain: The other day I was walking through the Galleria Mall and I saw Victoria's Secret with all their displays on one side and Abercrombie and Fitch and their displays on the other and I realized that Victoria's uses hetero sex to sell things and Abercrombie uses gay sex to sell things.

It all makes sense....

They should have stuck to casinos.

ignite ice: God damn gangs. I'd be hard pressed to believe that society will ever see the demise of gangs.

Gangs have existed since the dawn of recorded history. They just weren't "gangsta" looking (often they were white people!). There's no reason to expect that will change anytime soon (gangs are just clubs that do things the rest of the particular society in question frowns upon).

They had 'em hid in the ceiling.....they could have set the place ablaze, problem solved.

serial_crusher:

Dude, it was quite obviously car hole. Hulu agrees

Grey Street:

According to this, it's "hole."


Fair enough. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go get some fresh air. I really like my fresh air.

What I wear.

Eyebleach: They really don't carry high end anything. They took the Bose marketing approach... spend most of the income on creating a brand name to put on cheap john crap and selling it for hundreds of percent markup.

I've had A&F shirts I have worn on a weekly basis for 8 years. Minimal noticeable wear. Even battery acid spills result in relatively minor holes, compared to other brands.

I've never owned A&F jeans, so I can't comment on them. For jeans, I want 2-3 pairs that I can wear 2 times a week for 1-2 years before I find replacements. AE is barely up to this standard, and they tend to wear relatively fast, IMO.

A&F is one of the most durable brands I've ever owned, and anyone whose ever worn them for durability purposes will probably agree.

G_Fish: Abercrombie & Fitch does not carry high end denim.

Yeah subby get with the times man.

nickerj1: Eyebleach: They really don't carry high end anything. They took the Bose marketing approach... spend most of the income on creating a brand name to put on cheap john crap and selling it for hundreds of percent markup.

I've had A&F shirts I have worn on a weekly basis for 8 years. Minimal noticeable wear. Even battery acid spills result in relatively minor holes, compared to other brands.

I've never owned A&F jeans, so I can't comment on them. For jeans, I want 2-3 pairs that I can wear 2 times a week for 1-2 years before I find replacements. AE is barely up to this standard, and they tend to wear relatively fast, IMO.

A&F is one of the most durable brands I've ever owned, and anyone whose ever worn them for durability purposes will probably agree.

I go to Target and buy some jeans. They last about 2 years each being worn every day, cost ~$15 ea when not on sale, and I don't have to risk getting AIDS by going into A&F

/I keed, I keed
//OR DO I???

/hot like fireworks on the Fourth

um... i believe 30 deep members shot to death a cool bartender, not funny, just the facts

Eyebleach: hey took the Bose marketing approach... spend most of the income on creating a brand name to put on cheap john crap and selling it for hundreds of percent markup.

In fairness to Bose, Bose spends a lot of money trying to figure out what the average person thinks sounds good, and builds systems to replicate that. They do that well.

What they don't do well (because they don't try) is create accurate reproduction of recorded sound. They also tend to use materials that are below par for the price they charge.

Jeans as fashion? Wow. I suppose people with more money than me can make it to that level. I wonder if these are the same people who drive Ferraris and Hummers.

I just wear comfortable ones that I can get dirty if I need to work in them.

It was a total failure, they stole only medium size jeans. No one in the area could use them.

Charge people enough, and they'll pay for anything, i.e. the privilege of whitewashing your fence.

serial_crusher: Where I shop, $15 counts as "full price", not "sale".

Farm'n'Fleet for the win!

/wearing 'em now

F'ing ni&&&& break my store window they are dead..promise...i'm waiting ni&&&&

dlcreed: F'ing ni&&&& break my store window they are dead..promise...i'm waiting ni&&&&


ooooookaaaay. way to take the story so personal.

Am I the only one left in the world that still wears Levis? They're the only brand I've found that fits comfortably and lasts me a few years. Straight leg relaxed fit is perfect for me.

Knara: ignite ice: God damn gangs. I'd be hard pressed to believe that society will ever see the demise of gangs.

Gangs have existed since the dawn of recorded history. They just weren't "gangsta" looking (often they were white people!). There's no reason to expect that will change anytime soon (gangs are just clubs that do things the rest of the particular society in question frowns upon).

Gangs basically encourage their members to do things that each gang member would not normally do by themselves. Any group has this same effect, though. But gangs are typically associated with illegal activities. In this sense, we don't call "clubs" gangs, because a gang is typically seen as a nuisance. You could theoretically call any group of people a gang, but why would you want to ;-P

Officers arrived to find 11 people removing tags from shirts and hundreds of high-end jeans, Keyes said.

If the value of the jeans is $10,000 and hundreds of pairs were recovered, those are some pretty cheap jeans. 200 pairs valued at $50 is $10,000, assuming it was only 200 pairs. Levi's 501's tend to cost about that much, so...Not really impressed. How high end can they be if only $50?

nickerj1: I've had A&F shirts I have worn on a weekly basis for 8 years. Minimal noticeable wear. Even battery acid spills result in relatively minor holes, compared to other brands.

I've never owned A&F jeans, so I can't comment on them. For jeans, I want 2-3 pairs that I can wear 2 times a week for 1-2 years before I find replacements. AE is barely up to this standard, and they tend to wear relatively fast, IMO.

A&F is one of the most durable brands I've ever owned, and anyone whose ever worn them for durability purposes will probably agree.

I don't own anything made by A&F so I can't comment on their durability, but I refuse to go into their dimly lit, perfume soaked stores because I like to see what I'm buying and not suffocate in the process.

eggi541: Officers arrived to find 11 people removing tags from shirts and hundreds of high-end jeans, Keyes said.

If the value of the jeans is $10,000 and hundreds of pairs were recovered, those are some pretty cheap jeans. 200 pairs valued at $50 is $10,000, assuming it was only 200 pairs. Levi's 501's tend to cost about that much, so...Not really impressed. How high end can they be if only $50?

My Lee regular fit cost $25, and they're more high end then a lot of farkers claim to wear (Most claim to wear the $11 fat guy jeans from wal mart, which I don't doubt), so $50 is pretty up there. And the reporter could be overstating the number a bit. Hundreds could mean 'a lot, but I didn't want to count'. Also, AF doesn't do really high end stuff, as has been established.

As much as I "hate" the clothes. A&F and AF are the best clothes made. I own quite a few pair of shorts that I found at Good Will. My A&F shorts have out lasted every thing else I've owned. They're built better than the shiat you'll get at Walmart.

However paying OEM prices for them is stupid. Good Will FTW.

otterrr: Am I the only one left in the world that still wears Levis? They're the only brand I've found that fits comfortably and lasts me a few years. Straight leg relaxed fit is perfect for me.

Boot cut here.

My friend saw me once and said "Oh you got some designer jeans?"

I replies, "No, my car battery busted and I spilled acid on them changing it."

/true story

ignite ice: Knara: ignite ice: God damn gangs. I'd be hard pressed to believe that society will ever see the demise of gangs.

Gangs have existed since the dawn of recorded history. They just weren't "gangsta" looking (often they were white people!). There's no reason to expect that will change anytime soon (gangs are just clubs that do things the rest of the particular society in question frowns upon).

Gangs basically encourage their members to do things that each gang member would not normally do by themselves. Any group has this same effect, though. But gangs are typically associated with illegal activities. In this sense, we don't call "clubs" gangs, because a gang is typically seen as a nuisance. You could theoretically call any group of people a gang, but why would you want to ;-P

All groups encourage members to do things they would not normally do. AA encourages its members to not drink, something they as individuals would not normally do.

The only difference between a "gang" and a "club" is whether or not society finds their activities desirable or not. Which, again, has been the same since the dawn of history (and probably before that).

Grey Street: According to this, it's "hole."

Wow. And here I was thinking I didn't have a life.

I have no idea what kind of jeans I'm wearing. I'm about as likely to know the answer to that question as I am to know the brand of purses you gentlemen put your lipstick in.

High price does not equal high end denim.
Carhartt equals high end denim.

wildcardjack: Grey Street: According to this, it's "hole."

Wow. And here I was thinking I didn't have a life.

No, it's okay, go with that thought.

Nicholas Urfe: Eyebleach: hey took the Bose marketing approach... spend most of the income on creating a brand name to put on cheap john crap and selling it for hundreds of percent markup.

In fairness to Bose, Bose spends a lot of money trying to figure out what the average person thinks sounds good, and builds systems to replicate that. They do that well.

What they don't do well (because they don't try) is create accurate reproduction of recorded sound. They also tend to use materials that are below par for the price they charge.

So what's a good alternative to Bose then? I'm not an audiophile, mind. In fact, I'm pretty close to being completely tone deaf but I'd like to get a nice pair of noise-cancelling headphones and Bose seems to be the only brand out there working on that.

I had a pair of Creative Lab's and while they were sufficient considering price, they did wear a bit too quickly.

Carhartt is the best bang for the buck. They are about $35. If you work, hunt, fish .... oh wait this is fark ..... if you are outside and on your knees .... these jeans will last about twice as long as other store bought ( ask your mom for them ) jeans.

Bose is a shame ...... I can't tell you what brand to buy, try newegg.com ..... bose is like an ipod .... you can get an mp3 player that does the same thing for 1/3 the price.

A-Rth-Urp-Hil-Ipdenu: So what's a good alternative to Bose then? I'm not an audiophile, mind. In fact, I'm pretty close to being completely tone deaf but I'd like to get a nice pair of noise-cancelling headphones and Bose seems to be the only brand out there working on that.

I had a pair of Creative Lab's and while they were sufficient considering price, they did wear a bit too quickly.

Headphones? Their headphones are decent enough, if a bit overpriced.

Just please, for the love of Jebus, don't buy into their 'home theater' systems. They sound just awful for the price on them. They could be tolerated for about 300 bucks, but 2000 and up? It's highway robbery. It's almost impossible to hear a side by side comparison of Bose vs. any other brand due to the display restriction placed on retailers. Sometimes you can find a high fidelity store that has bought a Bose HT and set it up next to their comparably priced and lower systems to demonstrate just how awful it is. They spend their money on marketing telling people that they are the best available, and that segment of society that takes commercials as gospel believe it. Monster comes to mind here. Or even the Enzyte supplement to a much greater and more shady degree.

I'm a fan of Paradigm, B&W, and Energy for matched HT loudspeakers ranging in price from cheap up to 'if you need to ask...'. Immensely better sounding. Couple them with a Denon or even something like an Onkyo receiver and you can tear a $4000 Bose a new one for 1/4th the price.

Eyebleach: A-Rth-Urp-Hil-Ipdenu: So what's a good alternative to Bose then? I'm not an audiophile, mind. In fact, I'm pretty close to being completely tone deaf but I'd like to get a nice pair of noise-cancelling headphones and Bose seems to be the only brand out there working on that.

I had a pair of Creative Lab's and while they were sufficient considering price, they did wear a bit too quickly.

Headphones? Their headphones are decent enough, if a bit overpriced.

Just please, for the love of Jebus, don't buy into their 'home theater' systems. They sound just awful for the price on them. They could be tolerated for about 300 bucks, but 2000 and up? It's highway robbery. It's almost impossible to hear a side by side comparison of Bose vs. any other brand due to the display restriction placed on retailers. Sometimes you can find a high fidelity store that has bought a Bose HT and set it up next to their comparably priced and lower systems to demonstrate just how awful it is. They spend their money on marketing telling people that they are the best available, and that segment of society that takes commercials as gospel believe it. Monster comes to mind here. Or even the Enzyte supplement to a much greater and more shady degree.

I'm a fan of Paradigm, B&W, and Energy for matched HT loudspeakers ranging in price from cheap up to 'if you need to ask...'. Immensely better sounding. Couple them with a Denon or even something like an Onkyo receiver and you can tear a $4000 Bose a new one for 1/4th the price.

Yamaha.

/I don't wear headphones because I'd play them too loud and go deaf real quick.

Eyebleach: G_Fish: Abercrombie & Fitch does not carry high end denim.

They really don't carry high end anything. They took the Bose marketing approach... spend most of the income on creating a brand name to put on cheap john crap and selling it for hundreds of percent markup.

People clamor over it, so I guess that despite what I think, it is a major business success.

Barnum probably cracked himself up all the time.

Exactly. High end denim starts with brands like Diesel and True Religion, and then gets much more expensive.

I figure the overworked, underpaid forum admin will delete this post without really reading it all the way through, but for those of you who have actually followed the entire thread, here's a little food for thought while you can get it:

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The article says that they were stealing hundreds of pairs of jeans. This to me implies at least 200, which would put the price of these high end jeans at $50 each or less.

blue jean baby....

Way to think A&F is high end, poormitter

otterrr: Am I the only one left in the world that still wears Levis? They're the only brand I've found that fits comfortably and lasts me a few years. Straight leg relaxed fit is perfect for me.

I wear 501s, have for years. I have a pair from 1998 still that fit but are a bit worn. The pairs I bought last year? The belt loops on the sides have already come unstitched. Pretty annoying since they're still in decent shape.

I used to wear A&F shirts, lasted a while. A few years ago I started buying overstock from REI and the like. Picked up a few there that have worn well (Royal Robbins). The GF got me into thrift stores lately, got some shirts there that have worn well.

diceofdeath: I figure the overworked, underpaid forum admin will delete this post without really reading it all the way through, but for those of you who have actually followed the entire thread, here's a little food for thought while you can get it:

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Are they certified antique musical instruments?