Helen_Arigby: I came here to complain about the complete puss of a husband who, according to TFA, didn't bat an eye as his (presumably) beloved spouse got beaten up, but I see it's been done already. And to those who say he couldn't have defended her without getting arrested for it... you think any decent spouse would care?

Who said his spouse is decent? ;-)

// perhaps he was busy selling the pay-per-view rights

Megain: /facebook profile pic

Only if she is from Australia.

outlanderreader: cr0sh,

I'm well aware of the bias against men in the legal system, but I think you're going overboard. In reality, if he had used proportionate force to protect his wife, it's unlikely that the onus would have been put on him. Remember, he would have been protecting his wife, a woman, from assault.

Normally I'd agree with you but we don't live in the land of sanity anymore when it comes to "law enforcement" with regards to violence against various protected classes. We just don't. What is proportionate force? Will the cops agree if he hits her right to stop the fight and she gets a nice shiner and some cuts from eating asphalt? What if the cop is the chivalrious type or a feminist type of person? It is a total crap shoot IMHO these days such that I have a real hard time judging any man in these situations.

I'd also expect that if he'd hit the wench and broke her nose he'd be getting sued for the plastic surgery (and a boob job) to fix it.

What a bunch of wimps. If your wife is getting beat up you should intervene. The chance of getting sent to prison while fending off an attacker is remote, unless you beat the tar out of her. You don't have to start throwing punches at the attacker, just hold her down until she cools down or the police arrive.

Even in the worst case scenario you'll have to spend a few hours in the local police station.

Y'know, I realize most of us males were conditioned not to take physical action against women. And most of the time, that's a very good thing.

But when some chick is beating on your wife? Yeah, it's pretty much okay to put a stop to it.

iamrex: Heh. I threw my bagel sandwich into the windshield of a car just last week. I was crossing the street -in the crosswalk- and this a$$hole just kept right on coming. He was about 4 feet from smashing into me when I let loose.

Perhaps some farkers can get together to have a nice engraving prepared for your tombstone, like "he stubbornly defended his rights"

\not saying it's wrong
\\saying it can be hazardous to ones health

Deacon Blue: Bladel: Some husband....

Well, now, wait just a minute. We've never met any of these people. His wife could be such an evil biatch that he was fully justified in not only sitting there, but also in cheering the other girl on. Towards the end of my marriage I might have done the same thing.

/plus what other people have said about the criminal justice system being slanted in favor of women

farking this.
I was at a party with the girlfriend (now ex) once. Professionals - young, but we all had decent jobs and all that. Host's wife smacks my girlfriend. Just one slap. I was stunned, gf stormed out. What the hell was I supposed to do? Hit her back? Honestly, that night I wanted to smack her myself, so I just leaned in close to the offender and said "thank you".

The funny thing is that a few months later I did slap her, and she really farking liked it.

Women are loons.

iamrex: Heh. I threw my bagel sandwich into the windshield of a car just last week. I was crossing the street -in the crosswalk- and this a$$hole just kept right on coming. He was about 4 feet from smashing into me when I let loose.

Have you tried turning your head before leaving the curb?
I find it cuts down the frequency of these types of incidents.

Best thing to do is stay in the car and call the cops. You just never know how these things will escalate.

A few years ago, I was on my way to a substitute teaching assignment at a middle school. I'm on the freeway, just a hair under the speed limit, when some guy comes whizzing past me on the right, damn near taking my front fender off. He then slows down to a crawl ahead of me. I don't want to be late to work, so at the first opportunity, I pass him on the left, giving him a wide berth. Then he does it again. Fine, I'll just slow down even more and let this dickward get well ahead of me.

All is fine until I get off at my exit and there he is, off to the side of the road. I pass, still giving him a wide berth, and he does it again! Great. I slow up even more, but in three blocks, there is a red light and I have to stop behind him. I stop at least half a car length behid him. I see he has kids in the car. Then he gets out and starts walking back toward me, yelling, "Get outta the farking car!" It's winter, so the windows are up and I just check to make all the doors are locked. He stands there yelling for a minute or so, and then I point to the light which is now green. He spews some more invective and walks back to his car, kicking out a reflector on my car as he goes, gets into his car and leaves.

I make sure to give him a two block lead, but then spot him drpping off kids at the school to which I am heading. Just farking great. He leaves before I get a block from him. I check in, go to my assignment and as the kids come in, one is telling his friend, "Hey my dad almost kicked some old guy's ass for cutting hm off this morning." Fun. Fortunately, the kid couldn't see me from thre car at the time.

Now, at the time, I was 55, about ten years older than this asshole of a dad, and I was bigger than he. Maybe I could have taken him, maybe not. Either way, I would have probably missed work, had medical bills, had police involvement and more damage to my car. He could have had a knife or wrench on him. Had he tried to break out a window to get at me, I had a business driveway that I could have turned into to get away. Macho posturing gets one no where. Using your head does.

Thank you, Semi-sane. Yes, we do live in insane times (created mainly by how the average Farker votes and behaves), but you're a bit paranoid if you think that there's a reasonable chance that you'd be prosecuted in such a situation. Moreover, it doesn't matter. You DEFEND your wife and let the chips fall where they may.

Let's say that in such a situation, the wench throws your wife down, your wife hits her head on the pavement, has a brain hemorrhage and dies. Would you say, "Well, yeah, my wife is dead and my children are motherless, but at least I didn't spend time in the pokey"?

The above scenario is about as likely as the nightmare legal-entanglement possibility some of you have outlined.

PinkoLeftist: outlanderreader: cr0sh,

I'm well aware of the bias against men in the legal system, but I think you're going overboard. In reality, if he had used proportionate force to protect his wife, it's unlikely that the onus would have been put on him. Remember, he would have been protecting his wife, a woman, from assault.

Normally I'd agree with you but we don't live in the land of sanity anymore when it comes to "law enforcement" with regards to violence against various protected classes. We just don't. What is proportionate force? Will the cops agree if he hits her right to stop the fight and she gets a nice shiner and some cuts from eating asphalt? What if the cop is the chivalrious type or a feminist type of person? It is a total crap shoot IMHO these days such that I have a real hard time judging any man in these situations.

I'd also expect that if he'd hit the wench and broke her nose he'd be getting sued for the plastic surgery (and a boob job) to fix it.

Not likely to be ruled by that fear, the fear of her being psycho crazy or fear if she was a large rugby sized bruiser. Necessary force, perhaps a tad bit more, would be applied to end the confrontation.

\'course I don't cut people off
\\ ex probably would have been hitting me if I did
\\\ ex probably would have taken the psycho out herself if it came to it.

I find it very odd and incredibly disturbing that the articel actually listed the suspect's HOME ADDRESS IN THE ARTICLE!! WTF?

But did not release the name or address of the alleged victim. WTF kind of community are they running over there to publish that information? Are they looking for the alleged suspect to get hurt by vigilante justice?

iamrex: Heh. I threw my bagel sandwich into the windshield of a car just last week. I was crossing the street -in the crosswalk- and this a$$hole just kept right on coming. He was about 4 feet from smashing into me when I let loose.
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The wife probably had some Karma points to burn.

"Honey are you going to help???"

In a minute.

/fapfapfap

Aulus,

That was a nice waste of a lot of bits and bytes. Your situation was not at all analogous to this one. No one here is proposing that you have to take some idiot on simply because he throws down the gauntlet. They're saying that you have an obligation to defend your wife.

In your situation, there was no risk involved in not taking violent action. In this situation, there was great risk -to the man's wife.

gorgor: The wife probably had some Karma points to burn.

"Honey are you going to help???"

In a minute.

/fapfapfap
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headstone: gorgor: The wife probably had some Karma points to burn.

"Honey are you going to help???"

In a minute.

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APPROVES
http://tinyurl.com/ox42dj
(copy and paste, NSFW)
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Man, if some lightweight MySpace slut had tried that on me, I'd make burger meat out of her on the hood of the car and hire a shrink to fix my kid's memories. In case I were the type of delicate flower woman who cannot fight, I'd make damn sure my husband could. Jeez.

Cerebral Ballsy: Man, if some lightweight MySpace slut had tried that on me, I'd make burger meat out of her on the hood of the car and hire a shrink to fix my kid's memories. In case I were the type of delicate flower woman who cannot fight, I'd make damn sure my husband could. Jeez.

I like you. "lightweight MySpace slut" is a wonderful new way to describe a 19 year old having a tantrum. I liked the guy who said something about kidney stones being worse than giving birth to a flaming porcupine, but this is also good.

Cerebral Ballsy: Man, if some lightweight MySpace slut had tried that on me, I'd make burger meat out of her on the hood of the car and hire a shrink to fix my kid's memories. In case I were the type of delicate flower woman who cannot fight, I'd make damn sure my husband could. Jeez.


Id'a gone all ninja on her ass.

Sh-sha!

What's the problem with kids today?

iamrex: Heh. I threw my bagel sandwich into the windshield of a car just last week. I was crossing the street -in the crosswalk- and this a$$hole just kept right on coming. He was about 4 feet from smashing into me when I let loose.

Next time don't cross when the crosswalk light is red and there is a car coming. Or, if you feel you really must do that, don't pick your nose and admire the asphalt; it takes about 2 seconds to dart across a two lane road.

What if some guy was beating the crap out of the husband? Should the wife step in?

I came here to mutter about the husband's lack of response. If I was in his place, I would have done everything I could to stop it happening.

Difficulties I can imagine:
1) Center lane of possibly busy street - getting hit by cross traffic would just be tragic.
2) Car accident with Children - How young? If there is an infant, you have to check them out yourself. If the child is older, they should be able to tell you how they are, but it might be skewed.

"Sorry kids, daddy has to stop the woman beating up mommy." seems like a ready solution to most of those, though.

I have no idea what value the flying shake is to this, or how the woman managed to get pulled from her vehicle. (One would imagine that would take some doing)

Grouchy Old Bear: mycathatesyou: Sounds like something my psychotic sister would do.

Have I been married to her? Twice?

Once you escaped you'd never ever go back.

Elephantman: Some people dream about doing this....I know I do!

And then some people live out their dreams.

Trust me, I dreamed about it today when I tried to take my kids to the town beach, only to be turned away because there was no parking.

Aaaaaaaahhhh, Fark...
Where there can absolutely NOT be a middle ground of any sort (no matter the discussion). Obviously, the husband only had 2 options. Shut his eyes and cover his ears with his head between his knees or multiple closed-fist blows to a 19 year old girl's eyes and throat.

If the biatch wants to act like a man, I say it's fair game to treat her like one.

i dont really have a related road rage incident, but if it had been me as the husband, knowing about the justice system, i would have tried my best to stop the fight without throwing punches, i dunno, maybe use myself as a shield for my wife or something. maybe be arms outstretched so that witnesses can see i didnt punch the scrawny twat or anything. you dont have to throw down just to defend your wife, you can at least attempt to do it without more needless violence.

i noticed a few things about the husband not getting out due to his door being pinned or whatever, just wanted to throw out the fact that unless you are in a wide-ass H1 hummer or something with a racing harness, it isnt all that hard to unbuckle quickly and go out the passenger side.

as far as traffic goes, honestly, i have driven in america long enough to know that if there are two cars stopped in traffic with a fight going on, people will stop and watch, and go a snails pace around them. come on, rubbernecking is the second most practiced driving activity next to using the phone. there was significantly less risk of any of the parties involved being smoked by some asshole not paying attention.

/too lazy to capitalize and punctuate
//not to defend a wife, though

Sometimes when I am driving and there are people that are bad drivers around me I fantasize hitting them with my car, stepping out of my vehicle, then taking a crowbar and permanently removing the ability for them to drive with several well placed and highly enjoyable swings of titanium. All while screaming "Use Your Turn Signal When Changing Lanes, biatch!"

After all, they don't deserve to drive on the same roads as me.

/right?

I came in this thread expecting the rants to be about a 19 year old having 2 kids...

castufari: I never drive with my car unlocked. Sunroof open, windows up. Feels good and keeps the lower castes out of my vehicle.

I hit a woman once. Old neighborhood. Was in the yard with my daughter and one of the local drug dealers drives up to do a mobile deal. I ask the woman to take that crap elsewhere. She gives me a look like I was speaking Mandarin. I send my daughter in. "Uhm, Alice, I said move it, take it elsewhere" followed by my usual string of not so nice words. She gives me the bird. Nice, she's been caught selling out of her car twice already. Then it hits me...she'll get caught again, someone will feel bad for her and let her go. Weed? I don't care. Crack...no.

I walk around to her door and lean in...."Alice, take this sh*t elsewhere, I'm not f*cking around". She just looks...so I pulled her out of the car and slapped her. Then I went off on another tirade (I have anger issues). Cops then roll up and the male cop asks what's going on. I explain and told him that I was just escorting her out of my neighborhood since kids are playing here and she doesn't live nor belong here. She has no clue WTF is going on. Cop asks her what she was doing parked there then asks to search...right on the seat is a ziplock with some what could have been crack.

Cop put her in the back of his car and the female officer told me that it wasn't ok to hit people. :P Woops, I said "ask her if she wants to press charges". She said no, I got a lecture from the other cop - "what if she had a gun?". Haven't seen her since.

You should never, EVER hit a woman.

But that, sir, was no woman. She was a pariah and a butt on the boil of society. In my book, you had every right to keep your pimp hand strong.

People like her deserve a foot up the ass. And drunk drivers deserve to get dragged out of their cars and get the shiat beat out of them when they cause a devastating crash and survive.

My sister didn't think so because her "precious snowflake" of a son got pulled out of his car when he crashed into someone's HOUSE and got beat up by said house's owner. "He didn't hurt anybody!" she said..."But he damaged the corner of the foundation to the basement, two more inches and it might've!" I replied..."That, and your perspective changes when YOU have someone in your family get rear-ended and killed by a drunk driving illegal alien, and he runs away from the scene for three hours!" (Sister is actually on my mom's side, the crash victim was on my dad's side)

That shut my sister up.

/I'm not condoning vigilante violence. But you don't hear me condemning it, either!

That husband should be locked up for not protecting his wife. A real husband would beat the crap out of someone attacking his wife. I would have done it, even if it was a woman.

Meh, who am I kidding, I would have just shot her.

Come on guys. There were kids in the car, one of whom is only 2 years old and they had just been rear-ended. I am sure that he barely noticed what was happening outside of the car due to concern for the kids. I would kick my husband's ass to no end if he came to help me while the kids were injured. Adults can handle their own problems. Especially one-on-one with a 19 year old. Stop with the internet tough guy already, it doesn't apply in this case.

Nimue: Come on guys. There were kids in the car, one of whom is only 2 years old and they had just been rear-ended. I am sure that he barely noticed what was happening outside of the car due to concern for the kids. I would kick my husband's ass to no end if he came to help me while the kids were injured. Adults can handle their own problems. Especially one-on-one with a 19 year old. Stop with the internet tough guy already, it doesn't apply in this case.

You wouldn't understand. Someone, anyone attacks your wife, you fark them up. Twenty years ago my asshole neighbor called my wife a biatch. He ran for his life.

Nimue: Come on guys. There were kids in the car, one of whom is only 2 years old and they had just been rear-ended. I am sure that he barely noticed what was happening outside of the car due to concern for the kids. I would kick my husband's ass to no end if he came to help me while the kids were injured. Adults can handle their own problems. Especially one-on-one with a 19 year old. Stop with the internet tough guy already, it doesn't apply in this case.

What are you talking about? A 19-year-old gal can be far more formidable than an older woman. What do you think we're talking about, a 12-year-old?

But with the way you talk about kicking your "husband's ***," it probably would be a good idea if he let some psycho wench give you a beat down.

How do I find a woman like you, by the way? Drag a $50 bill through a trailer park?

At least somebody finally starts to get it. Drag the passengers from the vehicle & kill them while the driver watches.

As you remove the bloody hammer from the remains of the shattered face & skull, look at the driver & say "You made this happen..."

/can you tell it's tourist season here?

Well that husband just load and clear told his wife that she cannot count on him for support. He should have locked the car to keep the children safe and then laid into the woman. If it were the other way around the woman should help the husband.

Miss Smartass: Lusiphur: ppfftt...If the husband had so much as given that woman a mean look, he would have been in prison for life. Men can't hit women. It will never ever end in their favor in the justice system. Ever.

Why?

So he lets his wife get bashed. That is a pathetic excuse for not helping those you are supposed to love and if you use it if your woman is ever being bashed I hope she takes you for everything you have and everything you will ever have. If it is your loved ones you help.

End of farking story.

EggFool: I like you. "lightweight MySpace slut" is a wonderful new way to describe a 19 year old having a tantrum.

Did you see her pic? She looks like she weighs all of 120 pounds! I can't believe she beat someone up!

Where the fark did the pic of the esteemed Miss Huelsman go???

Like to see some girl try that with my wife. I had to stop her from beating up a biker once.
Road rage is stupid and it could go wrong for the aggresser. In Norway a trucker went after a car/driver with a sledge hammer. The news report ended by mentioning the agressive trucker got taken to the hospital.

alaric89: Road rage is stupid and it could go wrong for the aggresser. In Norway a trucker went after a car/driver with a sledge hammer. The news report ended by mentioning the agressive trucker got taken to the hospital.

Moral: If you brandish a sledgehammer, be prepared to use it. And not just on the other guy's car.

Bagelox-99 Why get so mad as too kill a person over their bad inconsiderate driving. It will only cause grief to everyone involved.
I have a little sympathy for the husband. That sort of thing happens so fast it's hard to reacte correctly.

Where are people seeing pictures of the arrested parties