dear Middle East

You people are the most useless, hateful, bellicose sonsab*tches on the face of the earth and we don't really care if you destroy yourselves, but leave us out of it.

- the part of the world that uses reason

BigBaum: beoswulf:
Instead it was a sad month as we learned that Iran has a sane progressive minority, albeit very visible, amongst a much larger population that lusts for blood and rises up to Ahmadejinad's calls for Islamic supremacy over his opponent's softer words. It's not surprising, Muslims openly admit that turning the other cheek is not part of Islamic scripture. We overestimated this people for even today the greatest bogeyman in the Iranian hive-mind isn't the government with Persian blood on its hands, it's the British Queen and anybody that speaks English.

I understand the depression, but I will have to disagree on one key point. All reports and photos indicate that it is not those that want "revolution" that are the minority. Most thoughtful analysts agree that it is the minority in power lashing out to maintain their control against the majority on the street.

And still more are coming to the side of the protestors. If the clerical split widens even more, things may get VERY interesting.

mousavi1388: Assembly of teachers and scientists of Qom cleric school, declaring this election to be ilegitimate. http://www.majmaqom.com/bayaniyeh4.html (in Persian and doesn't translate particularly well. Any Farsi speakers willing to help translate the translation?)

Sat Jul 04 - 9:39:24 am

Nobody thought this was going to be over in a week or two. Read up on the '79 Revolution. While the streets may only be smoldering at this point, I'm sure the behind the scenes action is furious. Nightly rooftop calls (which reportedly are getting louder) remind those in power that the people are only biding their time and regrouping. July 30th will be an interesting day to watch.

Was he trying to find the Red Skull?

TedNigma: Oh well. America's president is a non-citizen, with terrorist funding ties, illegal alien family members, and has relatives in the international drug trade communities.

Iran learned from the beat.

Nigma, please.

It's true.
Mousavi's as American as abaloo pie and Mabaath in July.

BiblioTech:
Nobody thought this was going to be over in a week or two. Read up on the '79 Revolution. While the streets may only be smoldering at this point, I'm sure the behind the scenes action is furious. Nightly rooftop calls (which reportedly are getting louder) remind those in power that the people are only biding their time and regrouping.

I'm afraid many did, and now that it hasn't happened they're saying it's all over.

July 30th will be an interesting day to watch.

This.

bunner: - the part of the world that uses reason



This part ... right ?

bunner: dear Middle East

You people are the most useless, hateful, bellicose sonsab*tches on the face of the earth and we don't really care if you destroy yourselves, but leave us out of it.

- the part of the world that uses reason

they did in the middle ages provide the world with many advances in math and science but..since then, not so much. carry on with self destruction

jake_lex: My feeling is that Amadinejhad will survive this, for now, but the legitimacy of the Iranian power structure has been permanently -- and, eventually, fatally -- damaged in the long term.

I've found the parallel between Almondinejaschadenfreude and Bush somewhat interesting.... both are figureheads for someone elses conservative ideals, both are actually not very good speakers and yet maintain a weird "lovable" view in the eyes of their parties. Both barely eeked out a 2nd term with the opposition very upset and demanding recounts.

This much stupid will eventually divide and conquer.
Widen the gap, expand the unreality, multiply the absurd.
Just as the Republicans discovered, when you stray way way too far from honesty and reality, ultimately you become irrelevant. Idiots always over estimate and over reach their power.
You can lie to the population, but you cannot make your support look like fools.

and never crash the ambulance

GoteamVenture: they did in the middle ages provide the world with many advances in math and science but..since then, not so much.

Yeah, but then the Muslims came along and farked all that up.

Slartibartfaster: bunner: - the part of the world that uses reason

This part ... right ?

Could be this part.

Great headline.

Not deceiving at all.

Delores De Syn:

I'm afraid many did, and now that it hasn't happened they're saying it's all over.

A product of American Media ADD. News is news if it's fresh and exciting, a long drawn out story starts to lose it's flavor. See: Iraq War

Out of sight, many must conclude that the revolution lost, as they haven't heard otherwise.

Although it is a bit out of character for me, I actually must applaud McCain. Not for what he has been saying, but for at least keeping attention on Iran.

Farkers don't care about Iran you silly subby.

give me doughnuts: gadian: Dome: you telling me no one noticed the silly costume?

/hot like the brats i'm grilling later

Wait... Captain America carries a gun? Has he always carried a gun? I've never noticed before...but it seems appropriate.

You can't be a Real American unless you are armed.

And a Christian.

That's not Captain America, that's US Agent. they look exactly the same, but Captain America has the super soldier serum and doesn't use guns, while US Agent doesn't, and does...

Ohhh... checklist:

1.) War Drums
2.) Accounting Suicides
3.) Middle East shenanigans
...

There is usually an Enron right about now.

Bush did authorize the CIA to begin operations against Iran many years ago. Who knows whats really going on...

Dome: give me doughnuts: gadian: Dome: you telling me no one noticed the silly costume?

/hot like the brats i'm grilling later

Wait... Captain America carries a gun? Has he always carried a gun? I've never noticed before...but it seems appropriate.

You can't be a Real American unless you are armed.

And a Christian.

That's not Captain America, that's US Agent. they look exactly the same, but Captain America has the super soldier serum and doesn't use guns, while US Agent doesn't, and does...

I had to look that up to make sure you weren't messing with me. Thanks, I feel my nerddom growing.

BigBaum:
A product of American Media ADD. News is news if it's fresh and exciting, a long drawn out story starts to lose it's flavor. See: Iraq War

Out of sight, many must conclude that the revolution lost, as they haven't heard otherwise.

Although it is a bit out of character for me, I actually must applaud McCain. Not for what he has been saying, but for at least keeping attention on Iran.

Unfortunately not only an American issue. On our national broadcasting company's website the reopening of the Statue of Liberty is bigger news than the upcoming trials against the Newsweek journalists and members of Iranian opposition.

I mean, the reopening might be a big deal for Americans, but from my perspective it kind of pales in comparison with an oppressive government smashing liberty...

SockMonkeyHolocaust: We overestimated this people for even today the greatest bogeyman in the Iranian hive-mind isn't the government with Persian blood on its hands, it's the British Queen and anybody that speaks English.

It's like you internet revolutionaries need this hyperbolic romantic bullshiat to survive.

People who knew anything about Iran didn't overestimate anything because the result was a foregone conclusion. It wasn't going to be a second Marcos overthrow no matter how much you blogged about it.

People who got their news from Wikipedia or Twitter and who watch too much TV are the ones who overestimated the internet hype for a revolution that no one showed up to participate in.



To be fair, they were led along in this. Just think about the vast number of websites, posts, tweets and blogs that sprang up hours after the election. It was everywhere. Its suddeness almost as suspicious as the seeming coordination of random internet users.

The most suspicious were the "lists" - lists of links to Iran Election items that came out of the woodwork. I spent some time looking into a few of the most curious of those lists. All I looked in to were on secondary pages of existing websites. Websites that seemed to have been dormant until the Iran Election. All were sites being sat on by Enom Inc - ie registration lapses and Enom (ICAAN registrar) takes over the domain. At different times they were mirror images of each other. Two were making identical updates at nearly the same time, though both were ostensibly being put together by unrelated people.

I went so far as to track down the former owner of one site and call him up. He is an older gentleman who retired to Florida last year and let his website registration lapse because he didn't want to keep up with it anymore and was doing most of what he did through his site in another forum. I emailed him a link to the list he was supposedly publishing and he called me back, pissed off as hell.

Why would some domain registrar be so interested in this? Who knows, except that Enom has a history of censoring and downing websites that don't agree with their politics - ie they censored and seized websites owned by a European travel agent who arranged travel to Cuba. That one made the NYT. A Wave of the Watch List, and Speech Disappears NYT Mar 4 2008

In addition Wikileaks has discovered a previously unreported eNom proposal from last year to bulk-release customer records to government agencies. The plan is to convert the entire internet domain system to into "Secure Blobs for Law Enforcement", a big-brother scheme redolent of the NSA CLIPPER chip fiasco. Not content to roll over eNom customer records when asked, eNom has apparently realized it can decrease subpoena processing costs by giving away domain holders confidential information to government agencies en-mass. eNom's idea is to encrypt registrant's confidential information and attach it to every public "whois" record. This would allow law enforcement, or anyone else with a decryption key, to obtain all confidential records automatically. Not content to undermine the 1st amendment, eNom apparently has plans to do away with the 4th as well.

Link (new window)

Enom, and their CEO Rosenblatt are as dirty as they come.

And there they were right in the middle of what can only be seen as a massive Internet-based propaganda campaign against Iran.

Don't blame the sheep, blame the shepherds. And wonder what their motivation is.

Slartibartfaster: bunner: - the part of the world that uses reason



This part ... right ?

but,but... CHRISTIANS!

Yes, the people who died for that statue must be a thousand fold!

I was thinking more the West, in general but your anecdotal trolling BS has convinced me that every Western worlder is a whackjob.

/It sure as hell isn't the part that posted that crap : )

Alacritous: 40yoVirgin: I guess if he said so, it must be true!

They're taking lessons from the Republicans.. Remember, Obama is a secrit muslin.

I came here to say that.

Remember that guy who ran for president of Iran against Ahmadinejad, and all the people were angry and rioted that he didn't win? Turns out he was a U.S. agent T-Shirt

But aren't we like one of the largest Muslim nations and not at all Christian according to our own Dear Leader? What's the problem with that? Iran should be rejoicing to have such support for the newly elected whatever.

Turns out he was a U.S. agent T-Shirt

Farked by the cut-n-paste. And it passed spell check OK.

To Obama: Just for fun, let it slip out that the world don`t need to worry about Ahmadingo because he`s on our side...

Mongo cut wood: I'm so glad that Obama's keeping his mouth shut during this had such a profound impact on preventing this regime from blaming the US for this uprising.

Oh wait, just blame Bush.

Butthurt, party of one. Your table is ready.

Nice post, Apik0r0s.

Congress allocated 400 million dollars to destabalize Iran. Some of the money may have gone to those around Mousavi. It is certainly conceivable. Over time, the extent of US/Israeli meddling will be better known. Ahmadinejad knows more that we do about what has gone on there and where the US has spent the money.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10839&sectionid=351020101

"American ABC News Network has revealed CIA's covert operations designed to destabilize Iran and instigate a soft revolution in the country.

The network on Wednesday quoted former CIA and Defense Department officials as saying that President George W. Bush has signed a document authorizing secret operations inside Iran to destabilize the Iranian government.

Based on the report, this non-military campaign involved media propaganda, publication of articles in newspapers and manipulation of Iran's currency and banking transactions.

A former CIA agent told ABC television that the Bush administration has come to the realization that military operations against Iran have negative impact.

The disclosure of US's sabotage plot against Iran coincides with the arrest of Washington-based academic Haleh Esfandiari who has been working as the Soros Foundation representative.

Esfandiari has admitted that Soros Foundation has established an unofficial connection network inside Iran under the pretext of promoting democracy and human rights but with the covert aim of overthrowing the Iranian government."

Happy 4th!

Delores De Syn:
Unfortunately not only an American issue. On our national broadcasting company's website the reopening of the Statue of Liberty is bigger news than the upcoming trials against the Newsweek journalists and members of Iranian opposition.

I mean, the reopening might be a big deal for Americans, but from my perspective it kind of pales in comparison with an oppressive government smashing liberty...

Yeah... that does seem like kind of an important story, right?

But I am sure, based on their history, that their courts will not have an bias against foreign embassy employees.

And anyway, the statue of liberty is a worthy front page story. It allows people to try and fulfill their GhostBusters II fantasies.

Alacritous: 40yoVirgin: I guess if he said so, it must be true!

They're taking lessons from the Republicans.. Remember, Obama is a secrit muslin.

He is.

The Pope is also a Nazi and a Dark Lord of the Sith.

Cheney is a Halliburton plant.

Bush is really a chimpanzee.

Democrats are the best teachers.

A Tout Le Monde: Alacritous: 40yoVirgin: I guess if he said so, it must be true!

They're taking lessons from the Republicans.. Remember, Obama is a secrit muslin.

I came here to say that.

Your side is the only one I hear saying that lately. It's become clear that what Obama really is is a not-so-secrit spendthrift, power-mad, ally-shiatting-upon, Zionist-hating, dictator-humper.

""It has to be asked whether the actions of (Mousavi and his supporters) are in response to instructions of American authorities," said Hossein Shariatmadari in an editorial appearing in the conservative daily Kayhan."

Man they really do follow the Republican playbook. Make an accusation in the form of a question, and you then you don't have the burden of proof!

"Is Obama really an American?"

"The question has to be asked if Obama palled around with terrorists."

Ha ha ha hahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!

These guys are seriously deluded.

BigBaum: Delores De Syn:

I'm afraid many did, and now that it hasn't happened they're saying it's all over.

A product of American Media ADD. News is news if it's fresh and exciting, a long drawn out story starts to lose it's flavor. See: Iraq War

Out of sight, many must conclude that the revolution lost, as they haven't heard otherwise.

Check out todays's Caturday thread (new window) for ways to keep this IN sight, stealth-style!

Dunno if this was mentioned, but it is a concern to me: what if this all "blows over" at least in the short term(longterm confidence in their elective process notwithstanding)and the current regime holds on until the next election. With the record highest turnout having happened previous to the next election and having seen what jack-all effect it had, what if the major turnouot never happens again due to disenchantment over the setup, and Ahmedinejad actually wins outright? Is the conflict happening now just going to end up being a hollow memory as more and more states recognize his victory, expecially if the potential second win actually were to happen?

It is just a concern, a pessimistic concern. I hope the best for the Iranian citizenry, and would like to believe they can make a better future for themselves, and hope for it.

GoodasGold: Happy 4th!

'[America] goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.'

---John Quincy Adams

GoodasGold: Nice post, Apik0r0s.

Congress allocated 400 million dollars to destabalize Iran. Some of the money may have gone to those around Mousavi. It is certainly conceivable. Over time, the extent of US/Israeli meddling will be better known. Ahmadinejad knows more that we do about what has gone on there and where the US has spent the money.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/bush_authorizes.html

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=10839&sectionid=351020101

"American ABC News Network has revealed CIA's covert operations designed to destabilize Iran and instigate a soft revolution in the country.

The network on Wednesday quoted former CIA and Defense Department officials as saying that President George W. Bush has signed a document authorizing secret operations inside Iran to destabilize the Iranian government.

Based on the report, this non-military campaign involved media propaganda, publication of articles in newspapers and manipulation of Iran's currency and banking transactions.

A former CIA agent told ABC television that the Bush administration has come to the realization that military operations against Iran have negative impact.

The disclosure of US's sabotage plot against Iran coincides with the arrest of Washington-based academic Haleh Esfandiari who has been working as the Soros Foundation representative.

Esfandiari has admitted that Soros Foundation has established an unofficial connection network inside Iran under the pretext of promoting democracy and human rights but with the covert aim of overthrowing the Iranian government."

Happy 4th!


Bush and the CIA worked with Soros to overthrow Iran?

Excuse me, my head just exploded.

From the article:
A ruling system which relied on people's trust for 30 years cannot replace this trust with security forces overnight."

So, it's a theocracy ruling atheists?

(Yes, they're still muslims, but they no longer believe that Allah speaks to the 'Supreme Leader'.)

BiblioTech: Green Brief 17 (new window)

Where are all the people from the Green Threads? Where's Persepolis and Tatsuma? Has this died down on Fark too? Man ... am I going to have to go to irc #iranelection or #irantech? I wouldn't mind at all, everyone over there has been great, but there's nothing on here anymore!!

BiblioTech:


Check out todays's Caturday thread (new window) for ways to keep this IN sight, stealth-style!

Persian Kitteh! maybe lil 2 stealthy tho... Other Kitteh news 2 busy with Jacko.

flexflint: BiblioTech: Green Brief 17 (new window)

Where are all the people from the Green Threads? Where's Persepolis and Tatsuma? Has this died down on Fark too? Man ... am I going to have to go to irc #iranelection or #irantech? I wouldn't mind at all, everyone over there has been great, but there's nothing on here anymore!!

An iranian prison at this point?

Somaticasual: flexflint: BiblioTech: Green Brief 17 (new window)

Where are all the people from the Green Threads? Where's Persepolis and Tatsuma? Has this died down on Fark too? Man ... am I going to have to go to irc #iranelection or #irantech? I wouldn't mind at all, everyone over there has been great, but there's nothing on here anymore!!

An iranian prison at this point?

Tats don't roll on Shabbas

flexflint: BiblioTech: Green Brief 17 (new window)

Where are all the people from the Green Threads? Where's Persepolis and Tatsuma? Has this died down on Fark too? Man ... am I going to have to go to irc #iranelection or #irantech? I wouldn't mind at all, everyone over there has been great, but there's nothing on here anymore!!

Tatsuma is moving and currently without internet. You can catch his blog here (new window). Haven't seen Persepolis lately but I have just been popping in and out and trying to scroll through the articles to see if there's anything Iran related. Others from the threads have been doing the same as I know I've seen several of them. It's just that it is relatively quiet in Iran right now so we don't have a lot of news coming out. I even submitted one for U2 going green on Sunday Bloody Sunday to try and keep an awareness out there. Didn't fly but that's the kind of stuff we'll need to do. I really expect things to heat up in Iran on the 30th because of the mourning cycle. The embassy stuff will also make news in the meantime.

austinheap: #Iran brings formal charges against UK embassy official http://is.gd/1npp0 #iranelection

Sat Jul 04 - 1:36:16 pm

Here's a link to my tweetgrid (new window) if you want. It doesn't have as many as some of the others but the ones on there are reliable, it does add in Austin Heap, and keeps the general tweet stuff down to one column.

BigBaum: BiblioTech:


Check out todays's Caturday thread (new window) for ways to keep this IN sight, stealth-style!

Persian Kitteh! maybe lil 2 stealthy tho... Other Kitteh news 2 busy with Jacko.

I don't know, I thought the one with a persian kitteh wearing a green headband in front of Iranian demonstrators and asking for freedom was a bit obvious (and a lot of fun to photoshop). I'd do more than the three I put up but I don't want to hit people over the head with the stuff or we'll get the troll action we had before. Just trying to keep it in people's minds....

Somaticasual: An iranian prison at this point?

Those have no room left.

Fano: Tats don't roll on Shabbas

I'm just having trouble finding the Iran threads that are still "on fire", so to speak.

BiblioTech: I even submitted one for U2 going green on Sunday Bloody Sunday to try and keep an awareness out there. Didn't fly but that's the kind of stuff we'll need to do. I really expect things to heat up in Iran on the 30th because of the mourning cycle.

Still trying to get a proxy up, while trying to get the story out to relatives and friends, waiting for the 30th as well I guess.

BiblioTech: Here's a link to my tweetgrid (new window) if you want. It doesn't have as many as some of the others but the ones on there are reliable, it does add in Austin Heap, and keeps the general tweet stuff down to one column.

Nice. Bookmarked. Keep up the good work!

Tats isn't here because it is the sabbath and if you check his blog Link (new window) he is currently without internet. I'm not sure why Persepolis isn't here.

The Iranians appear to be trying to repeat the hostage crisis IRE RTing another tweeter: Military official says Iran may take over the 50-acre British Embassy residence http://bit.ly/DqxAR #iranelection Gets popcorn to watch Iran lose all of its European markets.

greentea1985: Tats isn't here because it is the sabbath and if you check his blog Link (new window) he is currently without internet. I'm not sure why Persepolis isn't here.

The Iranians appear to be trying to repeat the hostage crisis IRE RTing another tweeter: Military official says Iran may take over the 50-acre British Embassy residence http://bit.ly/DqxAR #iranelection Gets popcorn to watch Iran lose all of its European markets.

Definitely a relief on tats. Persepolis now becomes the point of worry.. realizing there are some bad possibilities considering fark's publicity in the whole affair..

greentea1985: Tats isn't here because it is the sabbath and if you check his blog Link (new window) he is currently without internet. I'm not sure why Persepolis isn't here.

The Iranians appear to be trying to repeat the hostage crisis IRE RTing another tweeter: Military official says Iran may take over the 50-acre British Embassy residence http://bit.ly/DqxAR #iranelection Gets popcorn to watch Iran lose all of its European markets.

All the more oil for China to buy.