What is it with Republicans and wrapping the same old crap ideas in new packaging and expecting people to buy it.

Hey, heres a thought, how about rethinking your old ideas modifying those you want to keep and throwing out those that don't seem to be be popular.

/DNRTFA

paygun - The American dream isn't more government with more power and new ways to screw us all. Get back to me when you figure that out.

Hell, I'll even listen if they decide to meet me half way and give conservatism a shot. They've tried everything else.



You've had eight years of conservatism. Don't try that disingenuous "that wasn't conservatism!" stuff...

Conservatives liked it so much they voted for it again in 2004 and stayed loyal and true to it right up to the point the wheels came completely off and they figured out they were going to have to distance themselves from Bush in the wake of the devastation that conservatism wrought.

When you hear conservatives talking about it, they start singing the same old 'trickle-down/deregulation/hawkishness' tune. The only complaint they lodge against Bush is spending, but they didn't lodge those complaints for the past eight years... only now, when they HAVE TO do it appear consistent when wailing and gnashing their teeth about Obama's spending.

When you invite someone over to your house time after time after time and he shiats the bed every single time, at a certain point you have to realize that that dude is a bed-shiatter... that's simply the fact of it. That's who he is and what he does.

The GOP is a bed-shiatter. Conservatism shiats the bed.

theorellior: Sabyen91: We had more taxes and more government when the American Dream was thriving. Get back to me when the middle class has the same opportunity for the American Dream as they did in the 50's.

I'm sorry, Hannity has told me that if you tax the well-to-do you bring the economy to its knees and socialists run rampant. Comrade Eisenhower presided over the worst economic period this country has ever seen, am I right?

Yup, you are right. The well-known economist, Sean (Puffy-head) Hannity, or P Hanny, told us taxes are bad.

NeverDrunk23: I am really starting to believe that Beck/OReilly/Rush/Hannity/Coulter/etc all voted for Obama (and voted for Clinton) just so he could get into office and they could biatch about him and get more ratings/attention. None of them give a flying fark about this country and instead just want attention.

They all made money through the lean years of the Bush White House, so I'd assume they don't really care who's in office.

Obviously, there's some compelling reason they don't swing from side to side with each regime change, and I'm guessing it's not ideological.

ChickenTits: I understand where you are coming from, but maybe I've just turned against the phrase because it comes off as trite, and it's usually sanctimonious dicks who use it. I love this country, but I dont like the dry humping of it.

Ever more reason to maintain a proper definition of it.

Yes, everyone wants a better life, and everyone should be free to achieve it. The only reason that "the pursuit of happiness" became the "American" dream is that America was the first nation founded on that particular moral standard, one which rejected the morality of not only every other nation in the world at that time, but that of modern America as well.

Oh, you're free to pursue happiness today -- just don't make too much money, don't do anything politically incorrect, environmentally friendly, in violation of "community standards", offensive to others' sensibilities, annoying, obnoxious, risky, unhealthy, deviant, random, dangerous, fun, or without a helmet and knee pads, and not without first seeking a state-issued permit or license ...

Hhhhmmmmm . . . vague, emotional, unwieldy, deceptively populist . . . yup, sounds like something the Republicans would come up with.

NeverDrunk23: Sgt Otter: NeverDrunk23: Honestly, what the hell were these guys going to do it McCain won? Sit at their desks with their thumbs up their asses?

"B-B-But Clinton!"

I am really starting to believe that Beck/OReilly/Rush/Hannity/Coulter/etc all voted for Obama (and voted for Clinton) just so he could get into office and they could biatch about him and get more ratings/attention. None of them give a flying fark about this country and instead just want attention money.

FTFY

edit: environmentally unfriendly

Maybe Jeff Gannon could help them with their PR brainstorming. I miss that guy, he was a real asset to the White House team.

ChickenTits: SynthLord: Don't buy into or ridicule others' dreams; it's the easiest way to ensure you never realize yours

I'm not ridiculing people's dreams. I'm ridiculing the fact that the "American Dream" is not unique at all. People all around the world dream of a better future for themselves, whatever that may be to them, but putting a big fat America in front of it doesn't make it any more meaningful to me.. I understand where you are coming from, but maybe I've just turned against the phrase because it comes off as trite, and it's usually sanctimonious dicks who use it. I love this country, but I dont like the dry humping of it.


WOW...I bet you're a blast at parties. Do you think it makes you look intelligent when you spew such venom? Grow up loser.

The Name: Hhhhmmmmm . . . vague, emotional, unwieldy, deceptively populist . . . yup, sounds like something the Republicans would come up with.

change
hope

SynthLord: edit: environmentally unfriendly

Just out of curiosity, what environmentally unfriendly thing are you prevented from doing that keeps you from being happy?

theorellior: Maybe Jeff Gannon could help them with their PR brainstorming. I miss that guy, he was a real asset to the White House team Karl Rove..

skipjack: change
hope

Sorry, those are not unwieldy. Anything else, sure, but they're very succinct.

Sabyen91: It doesn't matter if it isn't your dream. It is the original American Dream. Now it is a nasty, kick your neighbor to get ahead dream.

So maybe let's get change that together.

Actually, that's not a bad theme. Give them credit for being smooth manipulators.

Of course, a "freudian" interpretation would have to point out that identifying themselves as the party of dreams, AKA myth, fantasy, or wishful thinking, is very telling. After the oft-repeated contempt they showed for us in the "reality-based" world, I think it's probably the most honest sales pitch they've made in a long time.

I'm sure it will have some resonance with their followers, who were never really big on "reality" anyway. (seekrit-muslin-birth-certificate-mavrik-you-betcha!). All they need now is a candidate with a secret birthmark in the shape of a crown and a magic sword.

Heard his show before seems like he only says that because Obama's raising a lot of taxes and such that go after people who make $100,000+ a year, which doesn't mean a whole lot if you're a millionaire or something but it's fairly significant otherwise.

And technically speaking, every American's dream is to land that big job or make those big moneys... so Hannity likes to point out Obama is trying to kill that dream.

I don't think it will have any significant effect personally, (let's face it if the inauguration wasn't televised and the date wasn't already known no one would have been able to tell Obama was president anyways)

A common Republican mantra is that even though most don't make that much money, and never will have a salary that high, they don't want to tax it more or mess it up because that's their big dream. Sortof like if you made exotic sports cars illegal, you might not ever have enough money for one or ever own one, but it's a nice thought and if you did happen to get the money, you'd want to be able to have one.

skipjack: The Name: Hhhhmmmmm . . . vague, emotional, unwieldy, deceptively populist . . . yup, sounds like something the Republicans would come up with.

change
hope

Obama has brought a hell of a lot more change and hope than the Republicans have support for the American Dream.

SynthLord: Sabyen91: It doesn't matter if it isn't your dream. It is the original American Dream. Now it is a nasty, kick your neighbor to get ahead dream.

So maybe let's get change that together.

I have a feeling you and I would disagree about how we would do that.

The Name: Hhhhmmmmm . . . vague, emotional, unwieldy, deceptively populist . . . yup, sounds like something the Republicans would come up with.

Heck, and until i got to the end of the sentence, I thought you were talking about the current health care reform legislation.

ggggbabybabybaby: And technically speaking, every American's dream is to land that big job or make those big moneys... so Hannity likes to point out Obama is trying to kill that dream.

I'm glad those people weren't around when Comrade Eisenhower was raping the entrepreneurial spirit of the nouveau riche with a 90% marginal tax on millionaires.

The Name: skipjack: The Name: Hhhhmmmmm . . . vague, emotional, unwieldy, deceptively populist . . . yup, sounds like something the Republicans would come up with.

change
hope

Obama has brought a hell of a lot more change and hope than the Republicans have support for the American Dream.

In the end, I think the Republican American Dream is just a dream of an America where the Republicans are in charge

rohar: The Name: Hhhhmmmmm . . . vague, emotional, unwieldy, deceptively populist . . . yup, sounds like something the Republicans would come up with.

Heck, and until i got to the end of the sentence, I thought you were talking about the current health care reform legislation.

As opposed to actual reform?

rjkline: ChickenTits: SynthLord: Don't buy into or ridicule others' dreams; it's the easiest way to ensure you never realize yours

I'm not ridiculing people's dreams. I'm ridiculing the fact that the "American Dream" is not unique at all. People all around the world dream of a better future for themselves, whatever that may be to them, but putting a big fat America in front of it doesn't make it any more meaningful to me.. I understand where you are coming from, but maybe I've just turned against the phrase because it comes off as trite, and it's usually sanctimonious dicks who use it. I love this country, but I dont like the dry humping of it.


WOW...I bet you're a blast at parties. Do you think it makes you look intelligent when you spew such venom? Grow up loser.

The only venom I see is from you. I just said my opinion and you went all Amerikuh Smash on me. Oh, Lee Greenwood, I'm soo sorry for insulting the stupid farking American Dream. Welcome to the internet, dicklips.

I hearby proclaim the Libertarian Party the Party of consensus.

I hearby proclaim the Democaratic party the party of More guns for everyone.

SynthLord: ChickenTits: I understand where you are coming from, but maybe I've just turned against the phrase because it comes off as trite, and it's usually sanctimonious dicks who use it. I love this country, but I dont like the dry humping of it.

Ever more reason to maintain a proper definition of it.

Yes, everyone wants a better life, and everyone should be free to achieve it. The only reason that "the pursuit of happiness" became the "American" dream is that America was the first nation founded on that particular moral standard, one which rejected the morality of not only every other nation in the world at that time, but that of modern America as well.

Oh, you're free to pursue happiness today -- just don't make too much money, don't do anything politically incorrect, environmentally friendly, in violation of "community standards", offensive to others' sensibilities, annoying, obnoxious, risky, unhealthy, deviant, random, dangerous, fun, or without a helmet and knee pads, and not without first seeking a state-issued permit or license ...

Fair enough, but throw around these terms long enough and they eventually mean nothing. I agree with you.

Karl Rove is still one of the best strategists and political thinkers out there. I do not in any way subscribe to his philosophies of statecraft, but that man plays a long game.

Nobody has, in fact, been doing more to rehabilitate the Republican image than Rove at this point. It's less what he says and more what he leaves out.

As I said, brilliant guy. I follow him on Twitter for his history quizzes - they show what he's got on his mind and you can never go wrong knowing what your opponent had for breakfast.

I was kind of shocked when he went on Hannity today at all, given the ground right now, but it is clear what the marketing plan is : "Building a Bridge to the 80's"

This jives with the banking situation, the scandals, and the promised one's return.

Best talking point counterpunch - "SO you want to bring back SNLs and parachute pants?"

Game on.

Sabyen91: I have a feeling you and I would disagree about how we would do that.

Perhaps so. I won't infer anything from that if you don't.

theorellior: Just out of curiosity, what environmentally unfriendly thing are you prevented from doing that keeps you from being happy?

I'll assert my Fifth Amendment rights on that one. :)

And it's not about being prevented from being happy so much as it is about being prevented from realizing my happiness to its fullest extent.

I'll give you the tip of the iceberg though: in a couple of years, I won't be able to purchase light bulbs that don't make my house look like a Soviet-era lab dedicated to discovering light wavelengths that induce uncontrollable retching.

SynthLord: Sabyen91: I have a feeling you and I would disagree about how we would do that.

Perhaps so. I won't infer anything from that if you don't.

Alrighty, let's meet in committee and fix this country.

I saw this live and I hate to admit, Hannity almost made sense with the first parts of his vision, then Rove had to throw in the "Don't forget about values" and it was like a switch went off and Hannity sputtered something about being the "family value" party again. Ugh.Hannity is such as....well, he's Hannity. But that one second, he tiptoed at the dge of a reasonable statement and then scurried back into his comfort zone.

Sabyen91: SynthLord: ChickenTits: The term "American Dream" is such a load of bullshiat.

I don't think so.

People don't realize that all the American Dream is is the self-made life. If you want to be a corporate ladder-climber, go for it. If you want to sit on the sidewalk and play guitar for quarters, go for it. If you want a career, or just a job that gets you by while you pursue fleeting interests; if you want live in a secluded mansion, or a modest apartment; if you want to travel ... whatever you want to do, whatever your dream is, it's (supposed to be) achievable.

Some people have a plastic-wrapped, conformist vision of The American Dream™, and market the hell out of it. Republicans have one vision, Democrats another. But you don't have to buy into anyone else's vision or dream.

One great thing about liberty is you can say no.

The self-made life -- pursuing your own dream in America -- is what the American dream really is. It's what the fundamentalist Pentacostal housewife in rural Kentucky, the leather-chaps-clad gay man in California, the Wall Street Banker, the recently immigrated sidewalk fruit-seller, and hundreds of millions of others have in common.

Don't buy into or ridicule others' dreams; it's the easiest way to ensure you never realize yours.

The American Dream is owning your own house and being self-sufficient and providing for your family. That is all. The right has turned it into a race to make the most money.

I think you're both right and Synthlord's statement is really dead on. I know the idea of throwing out a big "American this" and "American that" label causes people to recoil for various reasons. But I see it all coming back to the individual. Maybe your dream is different that mine, as long as you don't break the law or your dream interferes with mine, more power to you.

Sabyen91: SynthLord: Sabyen91: It doesn't matter if it isn't your dream. It is the original American Dream. Now it is a nasty, kick your neighbor to get ahead dream.

So maybe let's get change that together.

I have a feeling you and I would disagree about how we would do that.

I see you two go back and forth quite a bit in these threads, I wonder if you're closer to being on the same page than you admit.

Besides, just because there's a disagreement on how to do something, that doesn't mean you don't at least try to do it.

Your_Huckleberry: I see you two go back and forth quite a bit in these threads, I wonder if you're closer to being on the same page than you admit.

Perhaps. I did just invite him to committee to fix everything.

SynthLord: I'll give you the tip of the iceberg though: in a couple of years, I won't be able to purchase light bulbs that don't make my house look like a Soviet-era lab dedicated to discovering light wavelengths that induce uncontrollable retching.

Hmmmm. Maybe it's not the wavelengths, but the optical beat frequency of the lights? Just a thought.

globalwarmingpraiser: I hearby proclaim the Libertarian Party the Party of consensus.

I hearby proclaim the Democaratic party the party of More guns for everyone.

I hereby proclaim the Green Party the Party of Sanity and Logic.

ChickenTits: rjkline: ChickenTits: SynthLord: Don't buy into or ridicule others' dreams; it's the easiest way to ensure you never realize yours

I'm not ridiculing people's dreams. I'm ridiculing the fact that the "American Dream" is not unique at all. People all around the world dream of a better future for themselves, whatever that may be to them, but putting a big fat America in front of it doesn't make it any more meaningful to me.. I understand where you are coming from, but maybe I've just turned against the phrase because it comes off as trite, and it's usually sanctimonious dicks who use it. I love this country, but I dont like the dry humping of it.


WOW...I bet you're a blast at parties. Do you think it makes you look intelligent when you spew such venom? Grow up loser.

The only venom I see is from you. I just said my opinion and you went all Amerikuh Smash on me. Oh, Lee Greenwood, I'm soo sorry for insulting the stupid farking American Dream. Welcome to the internet, dicklips.


Man that was really cool how you spelled Amerikuh. You are so super intelligent and people who are patriotic are just ignorant rednecks. Your apathy shows the world how cool and smart you are! You must be a hit with the ladies being so cool and all. You are my new super smart and cool hero. Can you misspell other words to show your massive intelligence and overall coolness?

Occam's Chainsaw: globalwarmingpraiser: I hearby proclaim the Libertarian Party the Party of consensus.

I hearby proclaim the Democaratic party the party of More guns for everyone.

I hereby proclaim the Green Party the Party of Sanity and Logic.

I proclaim the Republican Party the Party of Liking Vagina. Sanford is out.

Sabyen91: Alrighty, let's meet in committee and fix this country.

Thanks, but I'll decline.

I gotta fix my life before I can bother fixing others' ...

SynthLord: Sabyen91: Alrighty, let's meet in committee and fix this country.

Thanks, but I'll decline.

I gotta fix my life before I can bother fixing others' ...

Aw, crap, I would be better at fixing the country than my own life.

Occam's Chainsaw: globalwarmingpraiser: I hearby proclaim the Libertarian Party the Party of consensus.

I hearby proclaim the Democaratic party the party of More guns for everyone.

I hereby proclaim the Green Party the Party of Sanity and Logic.

cough....McKinney....cough. Oh you were kidding as well. Sorry, I hear some greens actually think that.

rjkline:
Man that was really cool how you spelled Amerikuh. You are so super intelligent and people who are patriotic are just ignorant rednecks. Your apathy shows the world how cool and smart you are! You must be a hit with the ladies being so cool and all. You are my new super smart and cool hero. Can you misspell other words to show your massive intelligence and overall coolness?

Okay, okay, now you've just hurt my feelings. I can't spell. Do you know what it's like to not be able to spell? It's AWFUL!!! I have to go around blaming Lee Greenwood and rednecks.. I don't want to hate anymore! I WANNA LOVE! I WANT MUh AMERICUGN DREEEEEAAAAAAAAM. I hope you feel awful for doing this to me in front of all these internet people. I'll never be able to show my face on this forum again.... This isn't the americha I love. I'm off to eat my fried mayonnaise balls untill I die on my flag colored toilet seat.

I think they've been misquoted.
The actual slogan is "The Republican Party: If you think we can win, you i
must be dreaming".

So the GOP is the party of sick, poor, fearful citizens that are happy whatever scraps the top .01% is willing to give them?

I think i will be punching the Democractic ticket from now on until the Neocons pass of this mortal coil

By the way... for those that think the GOP is the way to go, Karl Roves dad is Gay, and i bet Karl himself is to

ggggbabybabybaby: And technically speaking, every American's dream is to land that big job or make those big moneys...

Speak for yourself. That is just the attitude that's been poisoning this country for the last few decades.

Sabyen91: SynthLord: Sabyen91: Alrighty, let's meet in committee and fix this country.

Thanks, but I'll decline.

I gotta fix my life before I can bother fixing others' ...

Aw, crap, I would be better at fixing the country than my own life.

Wouldn't we all. :)

Kittypie070: CHICKEN TITS is MY HERO!!!

You have always wanted to say that :)

Free Radical: Since when has the American dream been hate and judgment?

1972

Sabyen91: Kittypie070: CHICKEN TITS is MY HERO!!!

You have always wanted to say that :)

Garsh... Only in Amerikauh

What happened to the American Dream?

It came true.

Hm.

JigsawX: Link

This is what George Carlin thinks....

George Carlin is sadly still right.

/RIP George.