Tor_Eckman: She did resign. She didn't use those exact words, but she said she was turning over her power to her lieutenant governor. She didn't say she was doing it temporarily, or that she would be back or anything, so that's a resignation if I ever heard one.

Right, I get that she resigned. What I don't get is why she didn't say why she would be resigning... why would you call a press conference to give a speech that did nothing to clarify or justify your actions?

A politician that may be guilty of CORRUPTION???

Color me shocked.

CanisNoir:
I happily and proudly have...

/hot like a good mustard

...and only that in my fridge.

Suck it libby's ;P

"A house full of condiments and no food... How embarrassing."

CanisNoir: Americans have short memories and if she can go on to do great "background" things, I think quitting 2 years early is easily spinnable

I can't see how. If she bailed on a small state when the press coverage got a little rough, how the fark would she stand up on the world stage where the scrutiny is infinitely more intense? That's the kind of serious question that would be real hard to fend off during a presidential campaign. This is a really weird move, even for Palin; I very much doubt she's going to be running for president, ever.

CanisNoir: PartTimeBuddha: I find it so difficult to understand why you support her.

To say I *support her* I think goes a bit overboard; I was always a tad wary. I liked her during the campaign because I felt the duo of McCain\Palin was a good one; McCain was an experienced moderate while Palin was an inexperienced but passionate small government type who knew a whole lot about Energy. To me I felt she could learn the ropes at McCain's feet and come out strong in four to eight years with that type of experience; I wasn't in the camp that thought McCain would stroke out the moment his hand left the bible so I never feared her actually having to be President within four years.

After the campaign I became more of an interested party; I still like her small government, fiscally conservative ideal's and she does know a shait ton about energy and environmental conservation. However, I liked her as second bannanna but still felt she lacked experience on National Issues.

So, I don't support her as much as see tremendous potential in her; it's up to her to live up to that :)

brigid_fitch: And by quitting 2 years before her term is up, that leaves her with even LESS qualifications for president.

I think Obama put the whole "Executive Experience" argument to rest; there's no way that could hit her without a boomerang effect coming back to slam the Dem who used it.

Americans have short memories and if she can go on to do great "background" things, I think quitting 2 years early is easily spinnable, especially in a few years when peoples memories are more faded and they are more susceptible to the "old news is boring" syndrome.

She really showed that here:

"Oil and coal? Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans that get stuck to holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first." --Sarah Palin, billed by John McCain as the nation's foremost expert on energy, clumsily answering a question while speaking off the cuff at a town hall meeting, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Sept. 17, 2008

And here:

"Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy." --Sarah Palin, misstating the actual amount of energy produced by Alaska, which is only 3.5 percent, Sept. 11, 2008

Yes, a shiat ton indeed.

CanisNoir: The Only Good Moran: Mustard.

I happily and proudly have...


/hot like a good mustard

...and only that in my fridge.

Suck it libby's ;P

Nah, leave the grey poop off.

Lenny_da_Hog: "A house full of condiments and no food... How embarrassing."

Bah, food is for the Plebes. Those in the know are quite happy with a chunky or creamy Dijon Mustard.

CanisNoir:
2016 is the far more likely date that we'll see Palin come out strong nationally imho. She's probably gambling correctly that Obama is going to be very hard to beat in 2012 so it's better to go below the radar and build strength, let other Republicans try to hammer Obama, and if, by chance, a Republican wins in 2016, she's young enough to make a viable shot at 2020 and beyond.

She's not done politically imho, but we won't be seeing much of her until shortly before Primaries where she'll just be a prominent keynote speaker for people.

It's amazing that people are talking about when Sarah Palin is going to run again. Almost anticipating it with bated breath. This is a woman who, when asked about which magazines she was fond of, could not name one. Not one. Couldn't even throw one out there and fake it. I mean, what was the deal there? She couldn't just say "Field and Stream" or some other outdoorsy magazine? Or maybe toss in The Weekly Standard or National Review just to win some points with the more intellectual end of the Republican party? The ineptitude is staggering.

This lady is pure poison. If the GOP wants to send itself further into oblivion, they should keep supporting people exactly like her.

Shatner's Bassoon: I can't see how. If she bailed on a small state when the press coverage got a little rough, how the fark would she stand up on the world stage where the scrutiny is infinitely more intense?

Part of the problem you're having is that your premise is completely wrong. She didn't quit because press coverage got too difficult, she quit because every time she went out of State, blew her nose or sneezed, someone was filing Ethics complaints against her. Not only was it becoming financially burdensome, but it was adversely effecting her staff and hindering her administrations attempts at pursuing their policy aims. Turning it over to the similar minded but less controversial Lt. Governor she is ensuring that the policy goals she got elected to pursue are actually being pursued. It's a very defensible position.

I agree it was odd and a shock, but in that light, it's also perfectly understandable. If Hillary can run a successful and potential presidential campaign with all the skeletons in her closet, do you really think leaving the Governorship 2 years early is a campaign killer?

CanisNoir: She didn't quit because press coverage got too difficult, she quit because every time she went out of State, blew her nose or sneezed, someone was filing Ethics complaints against her.

Mostly because abandoning your post to go jaunt around the country to build your national reputation is unethical. Stunning, I know.

CanisNoir: do you really think leaving the Governorship 2 years early is a campaign killer?

No, but going to the Federal Pen for embezzlement will probably do it.

FishingWithFredo: Yeah. Don't you hate when that happens?

OMFG OBAMA BROUGHT HIS FAMILY OUT ON THE STAGE THE NIGHT HE WAS NOMINATED TELEPROMPTER TEABAG IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH!!!!

yelmrog: This is a woman who, when asked about which magazines she was fond of, could not name one. Not one. Couldn't even throw one out there and fake it. I mean, what was the deal there?

You know, I don't read a single damn magazine; not a one. I read the internet and watch some cable, but Magazines, couldn't be bothered. So given the same question, under the same pressure, I'd probably bumble that one too.

What do you think is more important? The fact that a possible presidential candidate didn't lie quick enough to cover the fact that they don't spend hours pouring over the latest 'zine or the fact that they know the Oil industry like the back of their hand and has succeeded in keeping that industry as environmentally conscious as possible? Me, I'm throwing my weight behind the second.

I mean really, of all the stupid shait to latch on to, an avid outdoors person who's also governor of a state doesn't want to come right out and say "None" and instead bumbles the redirect, is the battlefield you chose? Farking amazing.

Mentat: Shrugging Atlas: My wife and I just let them piss and moan without bothering to resond as they aren't looking for reasoned debate. But I can tell you I cannot farking wait to see them tomorrow. I'm going to rub their noses in this all damn day.

Tomorrow's Fark headline:

Beloved Farker Shrugging Atlas killed at family 4th of July gathering. OMGWTFBBQDIAF

Late as always, and forgive me if someone else caught this, but wouldn't that be "...OMGWTFDIABBQF?"

/Mexican kids are shooting fireworks below

This Thread Is Full Of Fear And Hate.I Wonder What The Fear Is All About. Anyone Care To Enlighten Me?

t3knomanser: Mostly because abandoning your post to go jaunt around the country to build your national reputation is unethical. Stunning, I know.

So Obama is unethical now eh?

t3knomanser: No, but going to the Federal Pen for embezzlement will probably do it.

Yea, baseless speculation looks as good on you as over inflated hyperbole.

/By that I mean you wear it poorly.

CanisNoir: Part of the problem you're having is that your premise is completely wrong. She didn't quit because press coverage got too difficult, she quit because every time she went out of State, blew her nose or sneezed, someone was filing Ethics complaints against her.

Oh, well that's so much easier to overcome when you're president. Good point.

I agree it was odd and a shock, but in that light, it's also perfectly understandable. If Hillary can run a successful and potential presidential campaign with all the skeletons in her closet, do you really think leaving the Governorship 2 years early is a campaign killer?

Hillary's closet didn't contain anything as bad as a track record of quitting positions she'd been elected to. And I hate to point it out but, Hillary's campaign was not successful. She lost.

CanisNoir: yelmrog: This is a woman who, when asked about which magazines she was fond of, could not name one. Not one. Couldn't even throw one out there and fake it. I mean, what was the deal there?

You know, I don't read a single damn magazine; not a one. I read the internet and watch some cable, but Magazines, couldn't be bothered. So given the same question, under the same pressure, I'd probably bumble that one too.

What do you think is more important? The fact that a possible presidential candidate didn't lie quick enough to cover the fact that they don't spend hours pouring over the latest 'zine or the fact that they know the Oil industry like the back of their hand and has succeeded in keeping that industry as environmentally conscious as possible? Me, I'm throwing my weight behind the second.

I mean really, of all the stupid shait to latch on to, an avid outdoors person who's also governor of a state doesn't want to come right out and say "None" and instead bumbles the redirect, is the battlefield you chose? Farking amazing.



You're just making a spectacle out of yourself now.

Anybody read the stories about Palin meeting with McCain consultants half nude after coming out of the shower.

She's a fruitcake.

Damn i hope she runs again.

If this turns out to be true how the hell will Fox News backpedal their way out of all the slathering that went on yesterday?

CanisNoir: I agree it was odd and a shock, but in that light, it's also perfectly understandable. If Hillary can run a successful and potential presidential campaign with all the skeletons in her closet, do you really think leaving the Governorship 2 years early is a campaign killer?

Yeah, it will be.

And don't kid yourself, she liked being in the spotlight.

Loading My Guns: This Thread Is Full Of Fear And Hate.I Wonder What The Fear Is All About. Anyone Care To Enlighten Me?

The "fear" is from Democrats, that now the Republicans might find someone competent to run against Obama (really low chance, but it's there) instead of Palin, who had NO chance.

The "hate" is from Republicans, who consider rightful criticism of their holy annointed ones and the use of facts "liberal hate."

Free Radical: If this turns out to be true how the hell will Fox News backpedal their way out of all the slathering that went on yesterday?

They won't. It will all be spun as a conspiracy by the left to disgrace and destroy their queen. Like dogboy, they will never admit that she is completely unfit to hold any position higher than game warden.

CanisNoir: yelmrog: This is a woman who, when asked about which magazines she was fond of, could not name one. Not one. Couldn't even throw one out there and fake it. I mean, what was the deal there?

You know, I don't read a single damn magazine; not a one. I read the internet and watch some cable, but Magazines, couldn't be bothered. So given the same question, under the same pressure, I'd probably bumble that one too.

What do you think is more important? The fact that a possible presidential candidate didn't lie quick enough to cover the fact that they don't spend hours pouring over the latest 'zine or the fact that they know the Oil industry like the back of their hand and has succeeded in keeping that industry as environmentally conscious as possible? Me, I'm throwing my weight behind the second.

I mean really, of all the stupid shait to latch on to, an avid outdoors person who's also governor of a state doesn't want to come right out and say "None" and instead bumbles the redirect, is the battlefield you chose? Farking amazing.

You wouldn't have bungled it as badly as she did, I'd imagine. For your sake. But yes, it's just one of the funnier of a million things to make fun of her for, like you said. It's funny you pick oil though as her expertise within 10 posts of that being debunked.

It's weird, for someone that isn't a huge fan of hers you seem to spend an awful lot of time white knighting for her

Shatner's Bassoon: CanisNoir: Part of the problem you're having is that your premise is completely wrong. She didn't quit because press coverage got too difficult, she quit because every time she went out of State, blew her nose or sneezed, someone was filing Ethics complaints against her.

Oh, well that's so much easier to overcome when you're president. Good point.

There's a little irony in the fact that Sarah herself used ethics charges to pump up her career. She filed charges against the head of the oil & gas commission, who was also the head of the AK GOP, for working on party business with state resources.

Oh, yeah. She abruptly quit that job, too.

It worked, but Karma is a biatch.

CanisNoir: yelmrog: This is a woman who, when asked about which magazines she was fond of, could not name one. Not one. Couldn't even throw one out there and fake it. I mean, what was the deal there?

You know, I don't read a single damn magazine; not a one. I read the internet and watch some cable, but Magazines, couldn't be bothered. So given the same question, under the same pressure, I'd probably bumble that one too.

What do you think is more important? The fact that a possible presidential candidate didn't lie quick enough to cover the fact that they don't spend hours pouring over the latest 'zine or the fact that they know the Oil industry like the back of their hand and has succeeded in keeping that industry as environmentally conscious as possible? Me, I'm throwing my weight behind the second.


Sarah Palin had nothing to do with mellowing out the oil industry in Alaska. The Exxon Valdez spill however, did have more than a little to do with it.

And yes, I expect politicians to be quicker on their feet than that. If I were asked the same question, I'd probably say "You know, apart from the odd Foreign Affairs or Rolling Stone, I don't really read magazines very often at all. I prefer newspapers or the Internet to keep up to date on current events." Then they would have asked me which sites I visit, and I would have said Fark, and then MY political career would be in the tank. Instead we heard Palin say something like "oh, you know, all of them"...

WTF? The problem wasn't that she didn't "lie quick enough" the problem is she came up with the exact same lie that I'd expect out of a 13-year-old trying to convince someone that they indeed read magazines. That's the problem here, not the fact that she doesn't read them.

In all honesty, in the last go-round I was 100% on board for McCain until I heard the stuff coming out of Palin's mouth.

yelmrog:
Sarah Palin had nothing to do with mellowing out the oil industry in Alaska. The Exxon Valdez spill however, did have more than a little to do with it.

As a matter of fact, Alaska's oil industry has had a horrible environmental record under Palin. Don't you recall the large manifold pipe blowing on the North Slope because of lack of maintenance, and the subsequent Congressional hearings?

Then there was that stuck pig that nearly blew up the top of the pipeline when the idiots increased gas pressure behind the pig, the gas bypassed the pig and went right into the pumps at the Pump Station 1...

Not that it's her fault, but she certainly didn't do anything to improve HSE for the oil industry.

CanisNoir: To say I *support her* I think goes a bit overboard; I was always a tad wary.

Noted.

CanisNoir: I liked her during the campaign because I felt the duo of McCain\Palin was a good one; McCain was an experienced moderate while Palin was an inexperienced but passionate

I agree this holds for her initial appeal.

CanisNoir: (A) small government type who (B) knew a whole lot about Energy.

On (A) I don't think she's small government, on the facts. She appears to be a big talker on cutting spending and particularly enjoyed getting rid of big ticket items, but in terms of governmental intrusion she seems to have behaved in much the same way as an hereditary monarch.

On (B)... I don't think she could discuss this intelligently in a forum of experts, but -- yes -- she certainly recognises the importance of energy policy for Alaska (as would any ruler of a Gulf state). I think it's the difference between an engineer and a salesman here. I wouldn't mark her down for it, but I think your description overstates her knowledge.

Alaska is not a normal part of the US. It's an oil state. And -- as with every other oil state -- there is a tremendous corruption the closer one gets to the legislative head.

Talk of drilling ANWR to achieve energy self-sufficiency for the US, however, is just loony. And the way she danced/flailed around on the issue of commodity trade in oil (we can't flag the molecules but we must find a way... of flagging the molecules) (not a quote) really gave me the impression of someone who had heard someone else say something clever but then mangled it up beyond human recognition when trying to repeat it.

CanisNoir: and (C) environmental conservation.

(C) I've had a look at her environmental positions (Link (new window) and I think the items quoted indicate that she is not insane, given the amount of hunting-for-survival that takes place in Alaska. However, the first quote bothers me:

This month, Ms. Palin issued a last-minute statement of opposition to a ballot measure that would have provided added protections for salmon from potential contamination from mining, an action seen as crucial to its defeat.

I realise it's part of the Resource First philosophy, but that sort of thing seems inimical to good practice. I think it's fair to say she is positive about the environment unless an issue would cause a company to spend an additional penny. (Contrary to her pro-subsistence stance.)

CanisNoir: So, I don't support her as much as see tremendous potential in her; it's up to her to live up to that :)

I do see where you're coming from in that. However, I really think she's an empty-suit. She looks good, she is confident, she is ambitious, she is cunning. But I think that all those qualities merely bamboozle into the feeling that someone has potential when, once you get behind the charm, there's just someone very shallow and really quite vindictive. People want her to be good at what she does. That's a gift. But she isn't, and that's a curse.

It's not just unfamiliarity with national issues. It's the way she processes information. It's the way she lies, betrays, makes enemies (and then pretends it's a virtue!). I can't ever see someone like that really leading and I have no perception -- at all -- that she has a moral centre beyond her own narcissism.

CanisNoir: The most likely scenario is, as someone wiser than myself pointed out, that she's taking the Nixon route. She will sit out 2012 and instead work on other campaigns, do fund raisers for the party, travel around and collect some political favors while building contacts and getting the National Experience she truly needs to mount a successful campaign.



National Experience, maybe. Though I fail to see how stepping down from executive experience will do anything but harm her chances in '12 or '16. I agree that "scandal!" may be knee-jerk, but it really does seem the most likely as stepping down from Governorship can do nothing but harm her Presidential aspirations, especially 3 years early.

FeedTheCollapse: stepping down from Governorship can do nothing but harm her Presidential aspirations, especially 3 years early.



edit: 3 years early to the Presidential Primaries.

CanisNoir: So Obama is unethical now eh?

Absolutely. Anyone that holds office and runs for another office is unethical.

palin is an existential threat to the democrats. they know this. if she was a buffoon like they claim, she would have faded away after the election.

democrats know that they need to destroy her, at all costs. It's a matter of political life and death.

carry on farktards. do your best.

hej: I understand that she normally has a hard time forming a sentence, but she sounded nervous as hell. I couldn't stand to actually watch the whole thing, and she was only marginally coherent, so I'm curious if she actually cited a reason for resigning when she gave this press conference.

That's funny - yesterday a co-worker said everyone either hates her or loves her. I respectfully disagreed - I don't give a shiat about her. What was it that made you actually pay attention to a governor of Alaska that was resigning?

Do you really think she matters enough to pay attention to?

PartTimeBuddha: I don't think she could discuss this intelligently in a forum of experts

i have it on good authority she cannot flag molecules.

her fungibility is still a matter for debate, however.

FeedTheCollapse: but watching it, you could practically see the bile spewing out of her mouth.


When has anything else ever come out of that mouth?

Some buddies of mine told me yesterday that she was talking with FOX about getting her own show, but by the end of the day Fox seemed to be backtracking. Something big is up.

I sincerely hope this hateful hillbilly ends up in prison, and all of her family secrets exposed.

A lifetime of shame is too good for her.

mud_shark
What was it that made you actually pay attention to a governor of Alaska that was resigning?


I'm not 100% sure why she still garners attention, but it may be for the same reason that people still pay attention to Britney Spears.

btw, canis - do you remember, just yesterday or the day before - how the self labeled pitbull and queen of the attack supposedly didn't cry foul at being attacked herself?

is this at all a mind-changer on that one?

In honor of this political abortion.

Disturbing vid. Decent song.

/posted in other thread.

Palin's energy experience:

Frank Murkowski saw she made a good showing in the 2002 race for lt. gov., so he appointed her to the oil and gas commission. She abruptly resigned a year later because people picked on her.

The end.

Nothing before, nothing after.

(Being married to a sometime-roughneck is not experience with the energy industry.)

GratuityIncluded: rnld: GratuityIncluded: If you are a conservative, like myself, looking for any rationality about Palin ... you will not find it here in this thread. The uninformed (whether by no experience or by choice) don't understand what you and I like best in America and don't have the proclivity to fight about it.

She resigned as Governor today. Pure and simple. Odd indeed. Quitter.

Pure and simple. You're a partisan. Hey, that's okay with me! But her motivations -- equated by your simpleton line of thinking ------ aren't necessarily what others like me think. I choose to believe it wasn't about quitting -- which would be easy to swallow if I were a hater. I choose to believe things I'm not fed by posts on blogs. I accept her at her word until facts dictate otherwise.

That's the American way mf'er. Or it should be! Get with the program or you and your kind are going to drag us all into the mud of history.

You say you accept her word, but the problem is her "word" was disjointed, unclear and scattered.

She claimed she didn't want to be a "lame duck" after serving about half of her term.

She didn't even inform the Lt Governor until Wed night.

You may call laying out simple facts and staying with the non speculative issues simpleton, but in reality, anything outside of the fact that Palin decided she didn't want to continue doing the job she was elected to do it's all as speculative as the blogs.

t3knomanser: Absolutely. Anyone that holds office and runs for another office is unethical.

And when Bush ran for President in 2000 while the Governor of Texas?

McCain as a US Senator?

Palin as the Governor of Alaska?

for reference sake...

CanisNoir [TotalFark] Quote 2009-07-03 11:01:12 AM

heap: take a step back on this one. she advertises herself proudly as an attack dog (or a pissed off fish, depending on mood apparently) yet displays asspain the likes of which hasn't been seen since Mr. Hands if anybody even comes close to returning the favor.

She's laughed off the attacks on herself and correctly been upset by attacks on her children; you need to learn to differentiate between the two.

i guess i'm just still a bit baffled that somebody (anybody. not ragging on you, just conceptually mindfarked at seeing it) can not see the double standard she wants - she wants to sling shiat like a whole cage full of angry monkeys, but expects to be treated like a delicate flower herself. i just have to wonder if yesterday's events still slide under that radar, or if even this cracks the crust.

CanisNoir: She didn't quit because press coverage got too difficult, she quit because every time she went out of State, blew her nose or sneezed, someone was filing Ethics complaints against her. Not only was it becoming financially burdensome, but it was adversely effecting her staff and hindering her administrations attempts at pursuing their policy aims.

I'm assuming you're saying that these complaints weren't justified? That the people filing them were fishing for scandal and figured if they kept at it, they'd be able to bring her down? That the suspicions people had about her house and how it was built were just a red herring thrown up to go rake muck?

Funny, that sounds just like what happened to an investigation of some real estate deals in Arkansas in the 90s.

theorellior: Funny, that sounds just like what happened to an investigation of some real estate deals in Arkansas in the 90s.

Projection.

Is there anything it can't do?

colon_pow: carry on farktards. do your best.

We don't need to. She's done it to herself much better than we ever could. I am disappointed. I was so hoping she could be the Republican's candidate for 2012. She does a fantastic job of showing the moderates exactly how crazy and morally bankrupt your ideology is. If I were to design the perfect false flag for the Republican party... Sarah would have been it. Nothing turns off the moderates and the fence sitters like seeing y'alls base froth at the mouth at her rallies. Hell, she caused so much extra money to flow into the Democrats war chest just simply by existing. I'd love her to continue to be the face of the Republican party. Too bad it looks like she has cracked and hell, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if she an heroed herself sometime soon.

colon_pow: palin is an existential threat to the democrats. they know this. if she was a buffoon like they claim, she would have faded away after the election.

democrats know that they need to destroy her, at all costs. It's a matter of political life and death.

carry on farktards. do your best.

Anything to defend your Queen eh?

heap: she wants to sling shiat like a whole cage full of angry monkeys, but expects to be treated like a delicate flower herself. i just have to wonder if yesterday's events still slide under that radar, or if even this cracks the crust.

Exactly. Governor Palin came out swinging at the convention, and Republicans cheered the Pitbull with Lipstick who was really sticking it to the Libs (as if that's what the GOP had been lacking thus far). Then when anyone swings back, they cry foul.

I'll be the first to agree that attacking her children - or any politician's children - is a cheap attack. But Governor Palin has plenty to be attacked on: her incoherent interviews void of any comprehension of world affairs, her hateful, divisive speeches aimed at "Real Americans", her seeming belief that being moderately attractive and flirty (wink!) is enough to earn her national office.

There's a line in a Nanci Griffith song: "When beauty's all you offer, how soon the world discovers that your beauty's gone." It may as well have been written about Sarah.

How can anyone with a straight face call former Governor Palin a "small government conservative" when her single greatest achievement as Governor was increasing corporate Taxes on Oil Companies so she could increase the amount of money redistributed to her consituents?

It's literally "Income Redistribution" in its purest form.

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The Only Good Moran: colon_pow: palin is an existential threat to the democrats. they know this. if she was a buffoon like they claim, she would have faded away after the election.

democrats know that they need to destroy her, at all costs. It's a matter of political life and death.

carry on farktards. do your best.

Anything to defend your Queen eh?

Palin destroys herself. Resigning as Governor with 18 months left on her term is whacky. It's news.

deadapostle: St_Francis_P: 2xhelix: If this is true, I'm gonna need a hell of a lot of popcorn.

Yeah, it's going to be a circus.

With a source like The Brad Blog, how could it be false?

I was going to say the same thing. This is the chucklehead who was joined at the hip with Bev Harris of black box voting warning us of how elections were being stolen by republicans. So tell me again how well that conspiracy worked the last few elections? Does the word SIXTY ring a bell?

Can't believe a word this guy says...