FishingWithFredo: You keep holding your liberal meme close at night. Yep, Sarah Palin's the stupidest person who ever walked the earth.

(But what about when she performed better in the debate than Joe "Gaffe-a-Minute" Biden?)

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! You're farking up our politically contrived personal attacks and ridicule!

You're really going to go down with the ship, aren't you?

Well, hat's off to you. Here's the lyrics for Nearer My God To Thee, Mr. Titanic Dude.

randomjsa 2009-07-04 02:35:12 AM
I can't decide what's worse, the fact that a left wing blogger from Alaska hates Palin so much that she just can't let it go or the number of people who believe the left wing blogger from Alaska because they hate Palin so much that they can't let it go.

You investigated her 10 ways from Sunday for every conceivable crime under the sun, and when that failed miserably you just went back to ad hominem attacks. All because she scared the hell out of you for about two weeks when it looked as if the Chosen One could actually lose after all.



Translation: Reality is a concept that I not only do not subscribe to, I refuse to acknowledge it even exists.

Another from the vault:

Mentat: Mini-Me evil supergenius

The world could use a few more Mini-Me evil supergeniuses

Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

this just keeps getting better. Fredo, how long is your little show going to be ? it's late here but I hate to miss any of this.

FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

Considering the validity of your sources I must conclude your points are moot.

Shrugging Atlas: I called my parents the day McCain picked Palin for VP. The first word out of my mother's mouth when I said the name was, "Who?"

A week later and they were both talking about her as if she was the second coming. All I've heard from them at family gatherings since the election is pissing and moaning about how unfairly she was treated.

My wife and I just let them piss and moan without bothering to resond as they aren't looking for reasoned debate. But I can tell you I cannot farking wait to see them tomorrow. I'm going to rub their noses in this all damn day.

You don't understand. Your parents and Sarah Palin alike think that it should be legal to offer no-bid contracts to political cronies.

/worth suc'ceedin' over.

Lenny_da_Hog: shower_in_my_socks:

She's part of a NEW one. Involving many of the same players. That's the point that's being made here.

Don't you believe it. It's nonsense.

Believe me, I think Sarah is one of the worst people ever to hold any public office (and being Alaskan, I've seen some reaaaaal doosies), but she is not part of that crowd.

Bill Allen worked with the old-school Alaska GOP Guard. When Sarah was trying to be part of that an not rocking the boat, she reaped the Veco rewards.

However, once she caved to public pressure and revisited the tax that Veco killed, she was the enemy.

Now, while the investigation was underway, we *did* get some by-catch convictions that weren't part of the main scandal -- Ted Stevens was by-catch. He was taking money because Bill owed him for many, many years of lucrative deals, no quid-pro-quo. We also found a couple of crooked prison lobbyists and such. Veco was dirty, now it's dead.


I appreciate your perspective. But according to media sources, as recently as this May, both Allen and Smith were part of an "ongoing investigation." And their sentencing was supposed to be delayed until June 30th, when the feds are/were due to give a report on the extent of their cooperation.

I haven't heard about them getting sentenced this past week, but the timing of all of it is a bit coincidental.

If it isn't this, it's something else. The resignation reeks of scandal. But I can see why people are looking at this first.

Jakevol2: brainiac-dumdum: Jakevol2: Rue the day? Who talks like that?

I don't get it

This may help. But honestly you should know this without my help. Hell I provided you with a visual clue in my initial post. (new window)

it's just some guys name I don't recognize. am I just supposed use the internet to find out who he is or something?

woo, rumors!

let me know when there's something real

shes out of politics now you can stop harassing the poor woman

FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

I just wanted to point out that the link you posted says 27.

randomjsa:
You investigated her 10 ways from Sunday for every conceivable crime under the sun, and when that failed miserably you just went back to ad hominem attacks. All because she scared the hell out of you for about two weeks when it looked as if the Chosen One could actually lose after all.

Okay, I admit... I LOL'd a little.

randomjsa: I can't decide what's worse, the fact that a left wing blogger from Alaska hates Palin so much that she just can't let it go or the number of people who believe the left wing blogger from Alaska because they hate Palin so much that they can't let it go.

You investigated her 10 ways from Sunday for every conceivable crime under the sun, and when that failed miserably you just went back to ad hominem attacks. All because she scared the hell out of you for about two weeks when it looked as if the Chosen One could actually lose after all.

I can't understand what's worse. That we've seen this series of events a thousand times and it always ends the same way, or that you, much like Charlie when Lucy is holding the ball, don't see it coming.

The only reason the left has any "fear" of Palin, was the possibility that over half the country could have put her in national office, bot because of her ability to take a bite out of a serious platform.

That's not to say I agree with the democratic platform, but come on, teletubies on crack could have put better talking points together than what the republicans came up with last round.

FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

You just hang in there, Captain.

I'm sure you can save the ship.



/Hot as an M80.

FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

Really? In a thread where we're being called partisan hacks for linking some guy's blog, you use the farking Zero Sheep BLOG as your unimpeachable source?

brainiac-dumdum: Jakevol2: brainiac-dumdum: Jakevol2: Rue the day? Who talks like that?

I don't get it

This may help. But honestly you should know this without my help. Hell I provided you with a visual clue in my initial post. (new window)

it's just some guys name I don't recognize. am I just supposed use the internet to find out who he is or something?

Why do I get the feeling like I am Brer Fox getting trapped in the tar baby?

wejash: FishingWithFredo: You keep holding your liberal meme close at night. Yep, Sarah Palin's the stupidest person who ever walked the earth.

(But what about when she performed better in the debate than Joe "Gaffe-a-Minute" Biden?)

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! You're farking up our politically contrived personal attacks and ridicule!

You're really going to go down with the ship, aren't you?

Well, hat's off to you. Here's the lyrics for Nearer My God To Thee, Mr. Titanic Dude.

A Joe Biden defender! All right!

How you coming on that list of 28 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

Yeah; that's what I thought.

/Trying to figure out how I've been put in the position of defending a person I've been criticizing all day.

Jakevol2: FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

Considering the validity of your sources I must conclude your points are moot.

Especially considering he's explicitly attacked the source of this article. It's like they don't even pretend to be intellectually honest anymore. Silly idiots.

I think some rag like the national enquirer has proof that Trig is the daughter's kid and is going to run the story soon.

Some of you farkers really suck hard at the "Obama = x..." meme.

It's gotta go down like:

Obama = something cool/trendy
Biden = something wise/experienced
McCain = something absurdly old
Palin = wtf

Jakevol2: FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

Considering the validity of your sources I must conclude your points are moot.


Page 1 in The Playbook. "Ignore the merits; focus on the source." Well played.

FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

I'll grant you that Palin didn't lie. Her utterings were so random and undecipherable that they couldn't possibly be understood, much less vetted as truth. The moderator would ask a question, and she'd start a sentence that had nothing to do with the question and end the sentence with a completely different subject that had nothing to do with the question. I have no idea how this would work while trying to iron out a treaty with another country, but it terrifies me.

ne2d: Check out the big blog on Brad!

/got nuthin



It's "Brett" not "Brad".

/always thought it was Brad too
/LOL'd anyhow

After watching that video, there is no way in hell there isn't something coming. She's rambling, unsure of what she's saying, breathing awkwardly.

FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

Biden is a terrible speaker. The funny thing is, he still came across better than Palin.

As for making stuff up...can you see Russia from that bridge to nowhere?

I'm largely indifferent to Palin. I do not wish her ill. I do not think that she's necessarily a stupid person, just, perhaps, not as informed as I would want a Federal level administrator to be. I want to think that the person I'm voting for is at least as intelligent and informed as I am. Palin not only demonstrated that she could not express herself well, she came across as legitimately not knowing what she was talking about.

I do not, however, think that treatment of her has necessarily been 'unfair'. She has not endured anything that hasn't already been done to dozens of other people that chose to participate in the national spotlight. She chose to be McCain's runningmate. I do sort of feel sorry for her in that she may have had a relatively quiet and happy life/career out of the way. But, honestly, she has no one to blame but herself. Her ambition coupled with her general ignorance are to blame for the problems that she's experiencing.

Take that how you will.

Joliet_Jake: Jakevol2: FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

Considering the validity of your sources I must conclude your points are moot.

Especially considering he's explicitly attacked the source of this article. It's like they don't even pretend to be intellectually honest anymore. Silly idiots.

and I want to add for the record that I do think the Brad Blog holds much weight either. But I do believe there is something fishy going on with her hasty and mysterious resignation.

Jakevol2: Why do I get the feeling like I am Brer Fox getting trapped in the tar baby?

you made me google "tar baby"

yer gonna do some ruing as well

I hate to see a story like this get green light. It is such a unsubstantiated allegation. That doesn't me I support her, but I like to think there is actually some semblance of fair play.

Phoenix_M: I think some rag like the national enquirer has proof that Trig is the daughter's kid and is going to run the story soon.

how would that hurt her as governor ? and as a personal issue it doesn't go away.

something is up with resigning, despite the gifted ones trying desperately to ignore it.

/Trying to figure out how I've been put in the position of defending a person I've been criticizing all day.

By making the moronic statement that she--winky! blinky!-- performed better--sorry, I'm not going to answer the question you in the media want me to answer! Even though that's what I'm up here for!-- in the debate.

Wink! Blink!

shower_in_my_socks:
I appreciate your perspective. But according to media sources, as recently as this May, both Allen and Smith were part of an "ongoing investigation." And their sentencing was supposed to be delayed until June 30th, when the feds are/were due to give a report on the extent of their cooperation.

I haven't heard about them getting sentenced this past week, but the timing of all of it is a bit coincidental.

If it isn't this, it's something else. The resignation reeks of scandal. But I can see why people are looking at this first.

They have not yet been sentenced. The ongoing investigation concerns two legislators.

Ted Stevens' son Ben Stevens was president of the AK Senate and is alleged to have taken the most money from Veco as part of the main scandal. Nobody is really sure why the Feds haven't charged him yet, but the most evidence gathered for anyone was against Ben. Ben had a "consultant" position with Veco at the same time he was the Senate lead, and took a $50K/year salary, but could not explain what he "consulted" on for the money. There are other irregularities.

The other is Former state Rep. Bruce Weyhrauch, whose trial is being held up on a possible SCOTUS appeal.

Harry_Seldon: I hate to see a story like this get green light. It is such a unsubstantiated allegation. That doesn't me I support her, but I like to think there is actually some semblance of fair play.

In politics, or on Fark? Cause you're shiat out of luck on both.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Please don't go Sarah, we will miss you!!!

We want you to run in 2012, to seal Obama's reelection.

WhoIsWillo:

Damn it, you beat me to it!

And yours is prettier than mine.

Oh well, here's my effort:

FishingWithFredo: Trying to figure out how I've been put in the position of defending a person I've been criticizing all day.

You elected yourself the Defender of Madame Failboat, you farkwit.

You're busily citing right-wing loon blogs as a source for attacking Joe Biden over who "won" a debate. Who won? Are you tryingfor a recount of the damn election? That's how you know who won.

Otherwise, your entire exercise is to defend Sarah Palin. The ship's taking on water mightily there, Cap'n. But Im' sure you can salvage it. Maybe you can get a Recount 2008 Election Fund started.

Lenny_da_Hog: The other is Former state Rep. Bruce Weyhrauch, whose trial is being held up on a possible SCOTUS appeal.

I think out of all of them I was most disappointed in Bruce. He seemed like such a nice, down to earth man. His kid was in scouts with my kid, he showed up to all the public radio fundraisers, etc.

FishingWithFredo: Jakevol2: FishingWithFredo: Sorry; did I say there were 22 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

There were 28. (new window)

But Biden won the debate because of his grasp of the issues. Or at least his grasp of saying whatever the hell you want, factual or not, and those in the media with an agenda will do the rest.

Considering the validity of your sources I must conclude your points are moot.


Page 1 in The Playbook. "Ignore the merits; focus on the source." Well played.

When Michael Jackson's death was reported by TMZ first, I waited for other more respectable sources to confirm his death. TMZ got it right but the sun even shines on a dog's ass once in while.

I am not going to hold my breath for conformation from other more reliable sources to concur with the sources you have provided.

And yes it does come from page one, because that is one of the most important aspects of an effective argument! Citation of reliable sources! Jesus Christ! Did you even go to college?

FishingWithFredo: How you coming on that list of 28 errors/lies/hallucinations by Biden in the debate?

Yeah; that's what I thought.


How are you coming along with coming up with just one Palin quote on a major world issue that you consider an articulate and intelligent commentary on that issue?

Should be easy. I can give you a dozen from Obama. I think I'm 0 for 10 on Palin supporters answering my challenge. I guess it's a pretty hardball question, eh? Very gotcha-y.

Nothing?

Yeah, that's what I thought.

ahh she blew it, how did I not see this coming? well when it rains it pours, i'd like to see her try to get out of this one

Jakevol2:
and I want to add for the record that I do think the Brad Blog holds much weight either. But I do believe there is something fishy going on with her hasty and mysterious resignation.

Brad Blog pulls no weight.

However, Shannyn Moore and Andrew Halcro know Alaska politics. They're both saying the same thing. Shannyn is the one cited in Brad Blog... but she also has a tweet up about it atm, and spoke about it on MSNBC earlier this evening.

wejash: FishingWithFredo: Trying to figure out how I've been put in the position of defending a person I've been criticizing all day.

You elected yourself the Defender of Madame Failboat, you farkwit.

You're busily citing right-wing loon blogs as a source for attacking Joe Biden over who "won" a debate. Who won? Are you tryingfor a recount of the damn election? That's how you know who won.

Otherwise, your entire exercise is to defend Sarah Palin. The ship's taking on water mightily there, Cap'n. But Im' sure you can salvage it. Maybe you can get a Recount 2008 Election Fund started.

Not to defend the Palinator, but winning an election doesn't mean you won the debates. Al Gore clearly won every debate of the 2000 election.

Well, I guess it could be argued he also won in 2000, but still.

My dad, the super conservative, said it was probably because she wants to care for her special needs kid.

If this is true, I'm going to be the world's biggest smart ass.

Harry_Seldon: I hate to see a story like this get green light. It is such a unsubstantiated allegation. That doesn't me I support her, but I like to think there is actually some semblance of fair play.

Yeah like it would be horrible if Fark green lit that people had a tape of Michele Obama blaming things on "whitey" during an election again and again for days and it turned out it didn't actually exist.

Something like that would be bad.

Lenny_da_Hog: They have not yet been sentenced. The ongoing investigation concerns two legislators.

Ted Stevens' son Ben Stevens was president of the AK Senate and is alleged to have taken the most money from Veco as part of the main scandal. Nobody is really sure why the Feds haven't charged him yet, but the most evidence gathered for anyone was against Ben. Ben had a "consultant" position with Veco at the same time he was the Senate lead, and took a $50K/year salary, but could not explain what he "consulted" on for the money. There are other irregularities.

The other is Former state Rep. Bruce Weyhrauch, whose trial is being held up on a possible SCOTUS appeal.


Fair enough.

So, for the Fark.com record, you don't think there's any connection between the June 30th report date and Palin resigning just 3 days later?

I'm willing to admit, for now, that it's all just a giant coincidence.

FishingWithFredo - You keep holding your liberal meme close at night. Yep, Sarah Palin's the stupidest person who ever walked the earth.

Dude, how often have you ever seen a politician so farking stupid they don't even have to caricatured, but can simply be quoted directly?


But, I'm glad you couldn't maintain the facade of cool distance...

FishingWithFredo Quote 2009-07-04 01:53:55 AM
I was never a Palin supporter necessarily;"

It lasted what... maybe 10-15 minutes?

It's okay, dude. She can still be your pretend girlfriend. It's just that now she's gonna have to be a pretend governor too...


I've said it a hundred times... but I'll say it again, she's farking awful... and why people squander their credibility trying to pretend she's not is baffling.

And before anyone says it again... fear her? My god, I'm farking devastated right now. I feel the way I felt when 'Journeyman' was cancelled. I feel the way I felt when the perfect Telecaster got sniped out from under me on eBay.

Sadly, this is the best thing that's happened to the GOP in years. If Palin was around (assuming she could survive the primaries) she was gonna take the base. Period. She was going to cut the Republican party in half and push away independents... She'd lock up the fundies and Real Americans^TM, leave non-fundies going "WTF?" and send undecideds and moderates heading for the hills.

I'm hoping like hell she still tosses her hat in the ring.

Joliet_Jake: wejash: FishingWithFredo: Trying to figure out how I've been put in the position of defending a person I've been criticizing all day.

You elected yourself the Defender of Madame Failboat, you farkwit.

You're busily citing right-wing loon blogs as a source for attacking Joe Biden over who "won" a debate. Who won? Are you tryingfor a recount of the damn election? That's how you know who won.

Otherwise, your entire exercise is to defend Sarah Palin. The ship's taking on water mightily there, Cap'n. But Im' sure you can salvage it. Maybe you can get a Recount 2008 Election Fund started.

Not to defend the Palinator, but winning an election doesn't mean you won the debates. Al Gore clearly won every debate of the 2000 election.

Well, I guess it could be argued he also won in 2000, but still.

The sport of ranking who "won" a debate is cute and all that. If you're on the high school debate team. But I'm damn sure the point is to win the election. Winning the debate but not the election is taking your sister to the prom.

To "win" a debate, you basically have to convince people you did better than they expected you to do. So, in her case, she had to avoid falling off the stage onto her actual face. Overcoming expectations did not prove she was competent for the job. It failed utterly to move people out of undecided into the McCain-Palin camp.

shower_in_my_socks: FishingWithFredo:


Mr. Fredo -- I'm going to give you the same challenge I give every Palin defender.

The only thing I've "defended Palin" from is the idea that she's some slobbering idiot who can't walk and chew gum at the same time.

I'm fairly well sick of the liberal attack machine doing that to people they don't like.

Palin was inexperienced in many areas, because they simply don't come up for a governor of Alaska all that often.

What she seems to be showing today, however, is that she wants to keep aspiring for national office, yet not be bothered with doing the work it takes to govern her state as she promised to do, or to learn the things she needs to to be a sharper political candidate on the national scale.

So fark her!

Is my position really that difficult to understand?

1. Liberal assholes destroying people and their families for political purposes can generally die in a fire.

2. Sarah Palin clearly was, and is, not ready for prime time.

3. Sarah Palin is not a stupid individual, as evidenced by the success she's already had in her life.

4. See 2 again.

5. Sarah Palin could have disappeared post-election, went up to Alaska, put her nose to the grindstone, kept a low profile, did the people's business well, got Republican advisors to come up and help her on her shortcomings as a national candidate.

6. Sarah Palin didn't do that.

7. Now Sarah Palin's quit on her constituents. There's either a criminal matter or a scandal that's about to drop, or she just wants all the reward without doing the hard work.

8. In any of the scenarios from #7, Palin is toast. Forever.

technicolor-misfit:
Dude, how often have you ever seen a politician so farking stupid they don't even have to caricatured, but can simply be quoted directly?

Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.

-President George W. Bush

brainiac-dumdum: Jakevol2: Why do I get the feeling like I am Brer Fox getting trapped in the tar baby?

you made me google "tar baby"

yer gonna do some ruing as well

I'm definitely ruing this dialogue