HairBolus:

There's an article? Where do you get to that from?

Ishidan: Apocalypto

dude I saw that movie. effing trippy . looked familiar as hell , just couldn't place it momentarily. might pop it in the DVD tonight!

at80eighty: Eudeyrn: Sounds like something a person who's not much of an atheist would say.

/just sayin'

not really - once I stopped caring about religion a) I stopped getting severely butthurt over most of the ZOMG FUNDIEZZ bullcrap, and b) most certainly don't see the point in pissing contests among other non-believers - so just because I don't have a cross to bear against religion like some of you , kinda proves my point

going by the rest of the thread , seems I hit a raw nerve on a bunch of you - keep pissing against the wind, fellow friends

Erm, you realize I was joking, right? You say "this thread is full of X." I respond with X!!!, thus proving your point. It's pretty complex, I don't know if I explained it well enough.

/knock, knock

HairBolus: Jesus, Mohamed, Vishnu, Darwin, and Buddha on a pogo stick. Doesn't anybody read the article or read the comments? This whole game show concept just seems to be a trollish publicity stunt to attract attention.

Wait, do you mean to tell me that someone produced a TV show with a novel 'hook' in order to attract viewers?

Inconceivable!

180IQ: Inconceivable!




/of course

Eudeyrn: Erm, you realize I was joking, right?

I blame being distracted by this fish with human teeth :-p

HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT EVOLUTION?

at80eighty: not really - once I stopped caring about religion a) I stopped getting severely butthurt over most of the ZOMG FUNDIEZZ bullcrap, and b) most certainly don't see the point in pissing contests among other non-believers - so just because I don't have a cross to bear against religion like some of you , kinda proves my point

My not-a-god can beat up your not-a-god.

Does anybody else skim right past the long posts, and stop mainly for the pictures and funny comments?

Let's change the world tonight!!!

180IQ: Wait, do you mean to tell me that someone produced a TV show with a novel 'hook' in order to attract viewers?

Inconceivable!

No, I mean a fameish Turkish transvestite has proposed but not produced a TV show mostly to get complaints and attention but with the small chance that there might be an audience in which case the show could go into production.

For your entertainment, Gibson's idea of a fun prank in Apocalypto.
The chaos begins at 4:50. Warning, includes nudity-NSFW.

The lunk is Blunted, who has not managed to have babies, despite having a perfectly serviceable wife. His mother in law is pissed off, and when on hunts, his buddies have been razzing him mercilessly-including making him go through fertility rituals they just made up to haze him.
So the village huntselder takes him aside, gives him some fatherly words, and gives him a handful of small, red, pointy fruits that he says should help. No, no, ya dumbass, you don't eat it, and you don't use it now, hours before you get back to your wife...you rub it on your pecker, and do it right before making love. In fact, better yet, have your wife help in making sure you get this stuff well applied to your manstick. Potent, yes, very potent. Have fun tonight, buddy!

Frankly I don't even know what half of your issues are. I'm not even in the camp I'm trying to defend.

But since I was criticized as a "newbie" for coming in and arguing this, let me put you off to the Iron Chariots Wiki, a site maintained by the president of the Atheist Community of Austin, TX, which is an organization that has, for over a decade I believe now, made it their duty to try to educate people about atheism, and matters such as this, through a weekly cable access show that is now aired world-wide on the internet, a bi-weekly podcast, a monthly public lecture they provide, and other events.

While they obviously do not speak for all atheists, I think that their history and record goes to show that they're probably a bit more knowledgeable about what atheism is and isn't than most of you.

Here is what they have to say about weak (agnostic) and strong (gnostic) atheism.

The only reason I'm even bothering with this is because I know a lot of weak atheists who would be annoyed and even angered by people trying to say they were the type of atheist I am, which is a strong atheist, because they don't go as far as I do.

And with that, I'm going to bed.

HairBolus: 180IQ: Wait, do you mean to tell me that someone produced a TV show with a novel 'hook' in order to attract viewers?

Inconceivable!

No, I mean a fameish Turkish transvestite has proposed but not produced a TV show mostly to get complaints and attention but with the small chance that there might be an audience in which case the show could go into production.

I'm confused as to why you're outraged. Are you upset that a celebrity is seeking attention or are you angry because they're 'testing the market'?

Does anyone else come to religion threads and read maybe the first hundred posts or so, then get bored of the same arguments repeating ad nauseam and scroll through the rest of the thread just looking for the funny pictures?

mental_27: Does anyone else come to religion threads and read maybe the first hundred posts or so, then get bored of the same arguments repeating ad nauseam and scroll through the rest of the thread just looking for the funny pictures?

Pretty much, yeah. Though I'll admit, I do occasionally enter the fray to try and set the record straight after the inevitable theistic attempts to redefine the term 'atheism'. I see that that's already been taken care of in this thread though, more or less.

geom_00: I am a Catholic, and proud of it. I go to my church, I pray, I try to follow the Catholic way. My Difference, if you are atheist, Jewish, Muslim, Scientology, FSM man, WHATEVER your religion is. I accept it. I could care less if you worshiped satan himself. Your life is your life. Literally, sorry to quote Rodney King, but "Why can't we all get along?"

Because apparently this is the "Catholic way."

Get your fairy tales out of my life, and you'll be surprised at how well we get along.

Tatsumaki Senpuu-Kyaku!: So I turned to logic, science, philosophy and humanism. And no, these disciplines don't have the answers either, but at least they're trying.

Absolutely. It takes real guts to admit that the Universe doesn't owe you an explanation of itself, and that the answers you do find will come at the cost of great effort and frustration.

It may take faith to be a believer, but it takes courage to be an atheist.

eyehate: I guess the Mormons like to baptize you silly bastards in the grave to make sure you see the light. At least she wasn't worried about crashing a plane into a building or tying Matthew Shepard to a fence to die.

She might not've tied him up, but she damn sure helped buy the rope.

mental_27: Does anyone else come to religion threads and read maybe the first hundred posts or so, then get bored of the same arguments repeating ad nauseam and scroll through the rest of the thread just looking for the funny pictures?

Yup.
Or StopArrestingMe word searches.
Or abb3w posts.

Alas, no green blocks at all in this thread, so I'm just going to skip it.

Don't know if it's been said yet, but I don't think this show is gonna happen. I'm military in Turkey right now, and one of the first things they told us is proselytizing is illegal in this country and punishable by fines and jail time.

/atheist
//would love to go to Istanbul, though it's nice here on the Mediterranean coast

TheGreatZarquon: As a former priest, I bet I could nail a free trip to the Vatican with relative ease.

I sincerely doubt you're a former priest, at least of the Roman Catholic variety.

When did the internet ordain you? Before or after you got drunk again on a Tuesday?

geom_00: My Difference, if you are atheist, Jewish, Muslim, Scientology, FSM man, WHATEVER your religion is. I accept it. I could care less if you worshiped satan himself. Your life is your life. Literally, sorry to quote Rodney King, but "Why can't we all get along?"

Dirty liberal.

I skimmed this thread but there has not nearly been enough praise for the subby. +1, would lol again.

/In the second season they could have a priest, imam, monk, rabbi and an atheist and try and get an agnostic to give a shiate one way or the other.

belowner: I sincerely doubt you're a former priest, at least of the Roman Catholic variety.

When did the internet ordain you? Before or after you got drunk again on a Tuesday?

Look out, you pissed off a catholic!

geom_00: I am a Catholic, and proud of it. I go to my church, I pray, I try to follow the Catholic way.

My Difference, if you are atheist, Jewish, Muslim, Scientology, FSM man, WHATEVER your religion is. I accept it. I could care less if you worshiped satan himself. Your life is your life. Literally, sorry to quote Rodney King, but "Why can't we all get along?"

You'll get hit for this, grasshopper, but it's all good.

Thanks for standing up for us. We Catholics are pretty damn good in the scheme of things. Not the best, not the worst, but overall positive.

Thank you.

/we aren't fundies.

People...

Atheism: Something that can't ever be proven correct.

Belief in your god: Something that can't ever be proven correct.

Pick a side, STFU, and stop trying to convert others.

spamdog: Look out, you pissed off a catholic!

Meh, I'm one already. He's a liar.

Liars and Catholics probably have plenty company on Fark.

belowner: He's a liar.

Liars and Catholics probably have plenty company on Fark.

What a great person you are.

Monty845: While we are at it, it would be a good idea to clarify what it means to be an athiest...

(snip)

If we are to follow the dictionary, an athiest is anyone who does not believe in a diety. But in common usage today, Athiesm typically means the active rejection, and not mere lack of beleif in all dieties, and furhter, all other religious beliefs. No spiritualism, no wicanism, etc...

Atheism is an absence of belief in gods. Period. That's it. That's all of atheism. Whether the atheist proclaims "there are no gods" or says "I have never seen any reason to believe in gods" does not matter. Atheism is an absence of belief in gods, and nothing more.

kleppe: SpaceLord: geom_00: I am a Catholic, and proud of it. I go to my church, I pray, I try to follow thI've heard more atheists and agnostics on Fark quote scripture than any Christian evangelist.

That's probably because atheists and agnostics often know more about the various Holy Books (not just the bible) than the people who believe in that stuff. Ditto WRT history.

HairBolus: Do you think he/she actually has religious judges copacetic with him/her and the show concept, or

Maybe this is just a big publicity stunt

What reality TV show isn't a big publicity stunt?

Monty845: Words change over time, don't tell me I'm wrong just because I don't use the word they way you like.

So use the words any way you like. Just don't expect other people to understand what you're saying.

These days, "atheism" means absence of belief in gods.

Uncle Tractor: Monty845: Words change over time, don't tell me I'm wrong just because I don't use the word they way you like.

So use the words any way you like. Just don't expect other people to understand what you're saying.

These days, "atheism" means absence of belief in gods.


"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't - till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,'" Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master - that's all."

What said game show may look like (new window)

Uncle Tractor: Monty845: Words change over time, don't tell me I'm wrong just because I don't use the word they way you like.

So use the words any way you like. Just don't expect other people to understand what you're saying.

These days, "atheism" means absence of belief in gods.

Also these days exists a spate of douchebags who keep coming to fark.com and professing to be "Buddhist-Atheists" and "Wiccan-Atheists" and "Pagan-Atheists" and whatever bullshiat "spiritualism" they can wedge into -atheism so long as it doesn't have a mean bummer of a deity and a bunch of rules, man.

Anyone professing to me to be an atheist and then pulls out their deck of Tarot cards is begging for a crotch-punch.

spamdog: What a great person you are.

I give, are you a liar or a Catholic? Because I'm a Catholic. I'm a good old-fashioned Catholic who still goes to church. I actually LIKE going to church - it's a calm I don't find anywhere else.

And I have plenty of company here.

The asshole who claimed he was an ex-priest who could get into the Vatican also has plenty of company here. He was wrong to claim he was a priest, but plenty people will give him a pass.

But he's a liar, or he at least wasn't clear about what religion he was an "ex-priest" of. The Vatican is worse about ex-Catholic priests than they are about Protestant priests who want to do research. He wouldn't be allowed in, but he would know that if he was actually an ex-priest.

He lied.

We cannot be content in our own self-conscious absurdity unless everyone else acts equally absurd. So long as you have your essential human dignity, we must be ashamed of having none of our own. So long as there is a masterless man, we slaves must still be conscious of our own bondage.

Bleh. I can't decide whether it's the pathetically offensive premise of the show, or its clear ratings-grab cynicism that I find more distasteful.

Stopped reading at this gem "We don't approve of anyone being an atheist"

Choke on a giant atheist cack.

We are giving the biggest prize in the world, the gift of belief in God

Wouldn't the biggest prize be proof?

The trick would be to go onto the show and say to the four "Yes, I'm going to convert - but I'm going to convert to the *best* religion. Now prove yours is the best..."

Has anyone ever noticed how unrealistic reality shows are?

This thread is wayyy too long and no one's likley to read my little measly comment, but whatever. I'm writing it down:

I don't like (most)atheists because they talk about religion more than anyone I know. Which stands to reason, because they're against it.

Let me put it another way. If I like Apple Pie, and you like Apple Pie, or neither of us have strong opinions about Apple Pie there's nothing to talk about.

But if you meet someone who hates apple pie; apple pie just pisses them off - the filling, the crust, the hypocrisy of it being "american".... GUESS WHAT THEY TALK ABOUT CONSTANTLY?!!? Apple Farking Pie....

Now I'm not knocking all atheists or whatever, I don't care, if you get my point you already got it. But for most of you there's a better term... Haters.

/Peace
//I'm out like parachute pants.

biglot: We are giving the biggest prize in the world, the gift of belief in God

Wouldn't the biggest prize be proof?

you know - that's a good way of looking at it, given the 'absence of proof' thing

JQPublic: Uncle Tractor: Monty845: Words change over time, don't tell me I'm wrong just because I don't use the word they way you like.

So use the words any way you like. Just don't expect other people to understand what you're saying.

These days, "atheism" means absence of belief in gods.

Also these days exists a spate of douchebags who keep coming to fark.com and professing to be "Buddhist-Atheists" and "Wiccan-Atheists" and "Pagan-Atheists" and whatever bullshiat "spiritualism" they can wedge into -atheism so long as it doesn't have a mean bummer of a deity and a bunch of rules, man.

Anyone professing to me to be an atheist and then pulls out their deck of Tarot cards is begging for a crotch-punch.

I have to say that I suspect that to be not so much a flaw in the character of the people involved as a flaw in the entire epistemology of self-labeling. If one is actually a formal member of some organized group, it may be appropriate. But if you aren't, the exercise of attempting to find a proper name to call yourself can be pretty futile and time-wasting. I gave up on it a long time ago, myself.
I call myself a non-believer, and leave it at that. If you want to call me something else, feel free. It's not like I haven't been called plenty of things over the course of my life.

180IQ: I'm confused as to why you're outraged. Are you upset that a celebrity is seeking attention or are you angry because they're 'testing the market'?

I am outraged by all the stupid Farktards who so despairingly appear to need an opportunity to spew out their pro or anti religious opinions that they won't acknowledge that the article they are commenting on is about a publicity stunt by a transvestite proposing an imaginary religious game show.

Researcher: This thread is wayyy too long and no one's likley to read my little measly comment, but whatever. I'm writing it down:

I don't like (most)atheists because they talk about religion more than anyone I know. Which stands to reason, because they're against it.

Let me put it another way. If I like Apple Pie, and you like Apple Pie, or neither of us have strong opinions about Apple Pie there's nothing to talk about.

But if you meet someone who hates apple pie; apple pie just pisses them off - the filling, the crust, the hypocrisy of it being "american".... GUESS WHAT THEY TALK ABOUT CONSTANTLY?!!? Apple Farking Pie....

Now I'm not knocking all atheists or whatever, I don't care, if you get my point you already got it. But for most of you there's a better term... Haters.

/Peace
//I'm out like parachute pants.

This is odd, to me - I've seen it before , but don't understand it. An individual comes into a thread, and makes a few comments - comments on the subject, that would seem to invite discussion. Then, they state that they have nothing more to say, and that they are leaving.
I can't say I find the behavior objectionable - but it strikes me as oddly purposeless. Why do people do this? Why post at all?
I'm honestly not criticizing - just questioning.

HairBolus: 180IQ: I'm confused as to why you're outraged. Are you upset that a celebrity is seeking attention or are you angry because they're 'testing the market'?

I am outraged by all the stupid Farktards who so despairingly appear to need an opportunity to spew out their pro or anti religious opinions that they won't acknowledge that the article they are commenting on is about a publicity stunt by a transvestite proposing an imaginary religious game show.

And now, folks, it's time for "Stump the Inquisitor"! And here's our host, Eddie Izzard!

I want to play, I am an atheist and a Buddhist so clearly I can go to Tibet since I will "convert" to Buddhism...

Seriously, though, Buddhists have tons of holy sites in India that are far more spiritually important than Tibet, places where Siddharta Gautama actually lived and walked. Why Tibet? It's only important to Tibetan Buddhism and not even the most important area.

skinnyartist:

But since I was criticized as a "newbie" for coming in and arguing this, let me put you off to the Iron Chariots Wiki, a site maintained by the president of the Atheist Community of Austin, TX, which is an organization that has, for over a decade I believe now, made it their duty to try to educate people about atheism, and matters such as this, through a weekly cable access show that is now aired world-wide on the internet, a bi-weekly podcast, a monthly public lecture they provide, and other events.


they aren't using one of those low frequency, regional internet transmitters? these guys must be legit...

/random snark
//nothing of value to add to this discussion

JQPublic: Uncle Tractor: Monty845: Words change over time, don't tell me I'm wrong just because I don't use the word they way you like.

So use the words any way you like. Just don't expect other people to understand what you're saying.

These days, "atheism" means absence of belief in gods.

Also these days exists a spate of douchebags who keep coming to fark.com and professing to be "Buddhist-Atheists" and "Wiccan-Atheists" and "Pagan-Atheists" and whatever bullshiat "spiritualism" they can wedge into -atheism so long as it doesn't have a mean bummer of a deity and a bunch of rules, man.

Anyone professing to me to be an atheist and then pulls out their deck of Tarot cards is begging for a crotch-punch.

Dude. Atheist means lack of a belief IN A GOD. Not lack of a belief in a RELIGION. You are areligious/aspiritual and atheist. I am religious and atheist. You are adding all sorts of extra definitions to atheist, when in fact it's very simple-- anyone who does not believe in a god is an atheist, even if they believe in reincarnation, Tarot, or throwing salt over their shoulder for good luck.

That's why the term "secular humanist" exists-- because atheists who also don't believe in anything that cannot be proven by human experience realized atheist was too broad a term and decided to distinguish themselves from the Buddhists, who have never believed in a god of any sort but who can't really be lumped in with people who truly reject all spiritualism. That doesn't make Buddhism theist.

geom_00: I am a Catholic, and proud of it. I go to my church, I pray, I try to follow the Catholic way.

My Difference, if you are atheist, Jewish, Muslim, Scientology, FSM man, WHATEVER your religion is. I accept it. I couldn't care less if you worshiped satan himself. Your life is your life. Literally, sorry to quote Rodney King, but "Why can't we all get along?"


FTFM