budsterr: smooshie: Isn't that a spree killer, not a serial killer?

I came here to say that. I agree with you. Subby and AP are morons and serially stupid.

Serial: At least three kills with a cooling-off period between each.
Spree: At least three kills with little cooling-off period between them. Kills will be geographically apart from each other (not part of the same house/business/school/whatever).
Mass: At least three kills in one discrete event.

/not my definitions, the FBI's

Gotta love the South. What's the over/under on a church/school/flea market/picnic shooting before this is done?

It's the heat/humidity. Also, it's Gaffney. A suburb of Spartanburg. Which is to say, a suburb of Shiatville.

Except the FBI is the ones who have actually labeled him a serial killer because of unreleased evidence.

Also no one one gives a flying fark about this kind of pedantic bullshiat except you and your other autistic friends.

Nothing crazier than a crazy white dude.

/has a pinkish hue; entitled.

one* not ones* or I suppose you could change the is* to are* if you follow certain European styles.

itazurakko: Well, hopefully the 15 year old victim who survived being shot recovers, and she can give the investigation some more information.

deadapostle: Locking their doors in the daylight? That is madness.

/former NYer.

SRSLY.

Not anything remotely as serious as TFA but in my neighborhood lately there's been some person (people?) opening cars and night and going through the glove boxes, stealing petty shiat. The response on the neighborhood mailing list? "Oh my, we always leave our car unlocked, you mean we should lock it now?" "yeah my car was hit too, of course we always leave it unlocked" etc etc. WTF?

I don't live in crime central or anything (though clearly there's some, as evidenced by this) but it's always just been pure REFLEX for me to lock my stuff and my house when I walk away from it. Lock my bike up too.

smear some aconite on your glove box.....

I blame Bush.

So, what we've got here is a typical problem of identifying sufficient and necessary conditions for inclusion in a class.

Bathia_Mapes: FarkingMonday: No. You need 5 kills to be on a killing spree.

U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics defines a spree killing as "killings at two or more locations with almost no time break between murders." According to the FBI the general definition of spree murder is two or more murders committed by an offender or offenders, without a cooling-off period; the lack of a cooling-off period marking the difference between a spree murder and a serial murder.

The term "mass murder" refers to the killing of four or more people during a particular event. Examples would include killing several people in the course of a robbery, or setting a crowded nightclub on fire where four or more deaths occur.

Robert1966: But wait - is SweetKaroline safe!!???

Pray for her and for Omarion!

dahmers love zombie: smooshie: Isn't that a spree killer, not a serial killer?

Damn you....beat me too it. Farkers are just too quick for me!

FarkingMonday: dahmers love zombie: smooshie: Isn't that a spree killer, not a serial killer?

Yes.

No. You need 5 kills to be on a killing spree.

/noobs

Poor guy, I guess if he could count higher he would go farther in life.
How many kills to unlock the achievement?

Serial: At least three kills with a cooling-off period between each.
Spree: At least three kills with little cooling-off period between them. Kills will be geographically apart from each other (not part of the same house/business/school/whatever).
Mass: At least three kills in one discrete event.
fark mass serial spree: three or murders based on internet spelling errors with spectators posting sexually charged midget fetish pictures
/not my definitions, the FBI'sDrew's

brand0n027: Stephen Tyler, 45, was killed, and his 15-year-old daughter was shot and seriously injured.


Steven Tyler is 45? What, is he not counting nights?

TheShavingofOccam123: Nothing crazier than a crazy white dude.

/has a pinkish hue; entitled.


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Regarding "spree" versus "serial", all of you CSI-watching Wikipediaphile pedants are missing some salient points.

1. The Gaffney sheriff said "serial" because that's what the FBI reps who are working with him said.

2. The first two attacks weren't really "geographically apart from each other", if you live in Gaffney or nearby. Mr. Cash and Mrs. Linder are both in the same rural/farm area, and the Tyler store is almost within spitting distance of the sheriff's office. See previous post.

3. It's very easy to imagine some connection between the killer and the victims. I'm 43, and was born in Gaffney and lived there until I moved away for college. Hazel Linder was a geography teacher at my junior high way back when; I knew Kline Cash and his family and their business just like every other person in the Gaffney area did; and, as for the attack last night, it's hard to believe (if it's the same killer) it wasn't done just to taunt the sheriff's office--the sheriff and Tyler's store are basically along the same road within about a 2 minute drive (and probably a 5 minute walk). I haven't lived there in 26 years, and that's still pretty evident.

4. How does the nomenclature matter? Both Mr. Kline and Mrs. Linder had signs advertising hay for sale. Mr. Tyler owned a rent-to-own furniture/appliance store. So maybe he's a destitute livestock owner with rented furniture who was foreclosed--does it matter if he's on a spree or acting serially? He's still at large, and given the small size of the community, he's still a threat to just about anyone who lives there.

Finally, yes, I do have receipts showing I wasn't in Gaffney when Mr. Cash and the Linders were killed, so don't even ask.

badhatharry: Another reason why it is a good idea to own a gun.

Generally by the time a serial killer or spree killer makes himself known, you're too dead to pull out your weapon of choice.

That's why they're so effective. If you knew them in advance, they wouldn't make the second kill that allows them to become serial or spree killers.

However, MASS murderers CAN be stopped in mid-attack by other armed civilians; this may be what you're thinking of.

BTW:
Serial killer: 3 or more killings over a period of more than 30 days, with a "cooling off" period between killings. Usually a ritualistic or sexual component to the killings.

Spree killer: 2 or more killings at 2 or more locations, with no "cooling off" period between the killings except for transit time.

Mass killer: Multiple killings at a single location, often with great violence.

(FBI/DoJ definitions)

So a killer who has a series of killing sprees would be called a spreerial killer.

That's like, what, 8 teeth killed?

Poopspasm: That's like, what, 8 teeth killed?

I think that's like 2.8 in Canadian

What if this would have happened while Governor Sanford was out of country?

As long as the guy is working in SC, I have a few requests...EIP..

/KIDDING!!!!!
//REALLY!!!!
///mostly

jghanc: Regarding "spree" versus "serial", all of you CSI-watching Wikipediaphile pedants are missing some salient points.



Finally, yes, I do have receipts showing I wasn't in Gaffney when Mr. Cash and the Linders were killed, so don't even ask.

Only people with pre-established alibis have something to hide. Please don't plan on leaving town, and could you spit in this cup?

Gyrfalcon: badhatharry: Another reason why it is a good idea to own a gun.

Generally by the time a serial killer or spree killer makes himself known, you're too dead to pull out your weapon of choice.

That's why they're so effective. If you knew them in advance, they wouldn't make the second kill that allows them to become serial or spree killers.

I was mostly referring to the current situation. Anyone living within a couple of miles from the area has gun or is wishing they had a gun. The one's wishing they had a gun probably went to visit a friend or relative that has a gun.

kxs401: I came here to say something like that -- I thought a specific serial killer's victims were similar in age, physical type, etc and killed in a similar way to each other. Then I was worried that I've just read way too much crime fiction, which isn't exactly the same as having knowledge.

Glad to have my instincts confirmed.

In a bout of insomnia, I saw a special about serial killers. There isn't necessarily a pattern of the victims, but of the pathology of the killer.

Somehow their minds are cross-wired and the murders give them a huge sexual release. Many feel guilty and don't want to kill, but it's the only way they feel that release. A sick sort of masturbation.

This is the kind of situation you have to nip in the bud. NIP IT in-THE-BUD!

This conversation reminded me of this, for some reason:

DAISY: I smell a disaster
MASON: Nah, five deaths is not a disaster
GEORGE: How many deaths is a disaster?
MASON: More than five. Five's bullshiat
GEORGE: How many?
MASON: 16-20 disaster, 21 and up catastrophe, 8-15 is a calamity
RUBE: 7 and under?
MASON: That's a crying shame

badhatharry: Gyrfalcon: badhatharry: Another reason why it is a good idea to own a gun.

Generally by the time a serial killer or spree killer makes himself known, you're too dead to pull out your weapon of choice.

That's why they're so effective. If you knew them in advance, they wouldn't make the second kill that allows them to become serial or spree killers.

I was mostly referring to the current situation. Anyone living within a couple of miles from the area has gun or is wishing they had a gun. The one's wishing they had a gun probably went to visit a friend or relative that has a gun.

An interesting fact about Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower sniper, was that when he went on his spree in 1963, most Texans carried their own firearms totally legally. When everyone realized where the shots were coming from, civilians started shooting back before the cops got there. This forced Whitman, an expert marksman and Army sniper, to keep his head down, and limited his shots; most of his kills were made in the first few minute of his rampage.

Not that I'd ever support the idea that everyone ought to have guns "just in case" something like this happens, because it doesn't happen very often; however...

Gyrfalcon: badhatharry: Gyrfalcon: badhatharry: Another reason why it is a good idea to own a gun.

Generally by the time a serial killer or spree killer makes himself known, you're too dead to pull out your weapon of choice.

That's why they're so effective. If you knew them in advance, they wouldn't make the second kill that allows them to become serial or spree killers.

I was mostly referring to the current situation. Anyone living within a couple of miles from the area has gun or is wishing they had a gun. The one's wishing they had a gun probably went to visit a friend or relative that has a gun.

An interesting fact about Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower sniper, was that when he went on his spree in 1963, most Texans carried their own firearms totally legally. When everyone realized where the shots were coming from, civilians started shooting back before the cops got there. This forced Whitman, an expert marksman and Army sniper, to keep his head down, and limited his shots; most of his kills were made in the first few minute of his rampage.

Not that I'd ever support the idea that everyone ought to have guns "just in case" something like this happens, because it doesn't happen very often; however...

I don't know if it a good idea to have everyone carrying them around. To me, a gun is like a fire extinguisher. They good tool to have in case of an emergency, but I am not going to carry it around with me.

namatad: "3rd mailman shot dead, trying to do his jorb"
"he was coming right for me"



" or maybe he was just waving hi!"

Did someone mention Gaffney?


/hot as Gaffney in July

Gyrfalcon: jghanc:
Finally, yes, I do have receipts showing I wasn't in Gaffney when Mr. Cash and the Linders were killed, so don't even ask.

Only people with pre-established alibis have something to hide. Please don't plan on leaving town, and could you spit in this cup?

I already left town, and I'm shorter and thinner than the suspect. I drive a Beetle covered in Grateful Dead stickers. I have a beard that's almost at my sternum, almost 75% gray (the beard, not the sternum), which is pretty hard to miss.

Hell, even if I did it during some weird mental fugue, either the police sketch artist or I should already be in jail.

Poopspasm: That's like, what, 8 teeth killed?

Looks like Gena had at least that many based on the picture in the link below, but her mother may very well have had dentures, on account of being so old. Do they count?

Gaffney Ledger

Sketch just released

Local update :
Update July 3, 2009 6pm

Serial Killer's Identity Sketch Released: Authorities need your help!

Now with a total of five shot leaving four deceased and one teenager in serious condition, authorities are sure they are looking for a serial killer. Cherokee County Sheriff Bill Blanton said evidence connects all five shootings, and investigators believe one man is responsible.

Blanton said the killer is described as having salt and pepper hair, about 6 feet 2 inches tall, driving a silver 1991-1994 Ford Explorer. He said a blue van previously thought to be of interest has been eliminated as a suspect vehicle.



He asked that anyone with information call Cherokee County CrimeStoppers at 864-489-2746 or Spartanburg County CrimeStoppers at 58-CRIME.

Is this him?

deadapostle: Why is it that serial killers always get the blame when people get killed?

"There is no greater fear than the fear of the unknown and nobody knows. You can cut the tension with a knife," Peeler said. "People are locking their doors, even in broad daylight."

Locking their doors in the daylight? That is madness.

/former NYer.

I'm Canadian, and I always lock my door. It's just common sense.

McKeesport Beer Baron: Sketch just released

looks like Ricardo Montalban in a dollar store hat.

smooshie: Isn't that a spree killer, not a serial killer?

My doctor says I'm not allowed to go on sprees.

He's already killed almost EVERYONE!

McKeesport Beer Baron: Local update :
Update July 3, 2009 6pm
Serial Killer's Identity Sketch Released: Authorities need your help!


WSPA is showing a revised sketch:
WSPA Latest Update

The sheriff reminded people they have a right to protect themselves and asked them to call 911 to report anything suspicious. He also advised salesmen and others to avoid knocking on strangers' doors with so many on heightened alert."People are going to start shooting at shadows," Blanton said.

Well, that should keep the LDSs and Jehovs away for a while.

Does anybody know where the governor was? He'd better have an alibi.

The locations of the last 3 killings are like the elaborations of a bad liar.

This man, he covets.

jghanc: Gyrfalcon: jghanc:
Finally, yes, I do have receipts showing I wasn't in Gaffney when Mr. Cash and the Linders were killed, so don't even ask.

Only people with pre-established alibis have something to hide. Please don't plan on leaving town, and could you spit in this cup?

I already left town, and I'm shorter and thinner than the suspect. I drive a Beetle...

You know who else drove a Beetle, don't you?

Dammit people, now I want some Sprees.

/Mentos will have to do

/yes, I know. It's a stretch.
//let's see you do better.

fusillade762:

You know who else drove a Beetle, don't you?

Yoko Ono?

/Yeah, you got in a good one.

McKeesport Beer Baron: Sketch just released



O RLY?

Shooting deaths? Lazy farker.