It's encouraging to know Rush supports Obama/Biden '12.

I never had any fear that Bush would leave office at the end of '08, but I did give more than a passing thought to the idea that he might put off the '04, '06, or '08 elections because of security concerns.

Obama and the Democrats just passed a law forcing our military to swear an oath directly to him instead of to the Constitution.

Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Said the same thing about Bush, and Clinton, and Reagan, and probably Eisenhower too. Happens to all 2 term Presidents.

Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

GaryPDX: Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

I liked you better when you weren't on this zombie kick your on.

CruiserTwelve: Apparently Rush has never heard of Snopes. Or at least he assumes none of his listeners have. (new window)

He just knows that if Snopes disagrees with him, his listeners will disregard Snopes.

NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Clinton probably could have won a third term. As I recall, his approval rating was in the 60's at the time he left office. It was actually sagging into the 40's before the impeachment bullshiat began.

Didn't Republicans, a few years ago, try and pass an amendment which would eliminate being a native-born citizen a requirement to be president for the purpose of allowing Gov. Schwarzennager the opportunity to run for POTUS?

I have a feeling that even if Obama were to try to repeal the 22nd amendment, he'd meet with about as much success. And, if he somehow does succeed... oh well? If he sucks as a leader, he'll be voted out of office anyway.

I find it interesting to see how many people on the left in this thread admit that they are as big of an idiot as the fool who wrote this article.

me_the_farker: GaryPDX: Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

I liked you better when you weren't on this zombie kick your on.

At the rate the economy and debt spending is going, Obama, and the democrats, won't get past 2012.

KaponoFor3: Dumb, just dumb. It was dumb when people on the Left said "ZOMG BUSH is gonna suspend elections and rule past 2 two terms", and it's dumb when idiots on the Right do it as well.

It's important to realize that whenever this argument is brought up regarding issues like this there's a huge difference of time and events. Most of the somewhat crazy stuff about Bush didn't start flowing until 4-6 years in, after a disasterous war waged for incorrect reasons and several other enormous blunders. Obama, on the other hand, has been in office for five farking months and the right is acting like he's packing conservatives on trains and sending them off to concentration camps. They have absolutely no middle gear; either someone is a good, real republican or he's the next hitler bent on destroying america and turning it into a marxist dictatorship.

And here it is, H. J. RES. 5.

Kome: Didn't Republicans, a few years ago, try and pass an amendment which would eliminate being a native-born citizen a requirement to be president for the purpose of allowing Gov. Schwarzennager the opportunity to run for POTUS?


I think you are confusing it with the 61st amendment

/ obscure?

Oh come on...do they REALLY think this is an option?

Also, of course consider that if Obama was elected again in 2012 and was allowed to run again in 2016 AND WON, that mean he did a heckuva job^TM

Ok, so let me get this straight:

Believing GWB intends to overturn the 22nd Amendment so he can reign as Dictator-For-Life = totally farking batshiat insane.

Believing BHO intends to overturn the 22nd Amendment so he can reign as Dictator-For-Life = perfectly sane, lucid and rational.

Yeah.... I like this country.

Left wing loonies said the same thing about Bush. Move along, nothing to see here.

Whamdangler: Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term?

Yeah, this is exactly what I mean.

Cool! Next up we can vote Schwarzenegger for prez, then the whole Birthers thing is just an awkward experience.

Kome: Didn't Republicans, a few years ago, try and pass an amendment which would eliminate being a native-born citizen a requirement to be president for the purpose of allowing Gov. Schwarzennager the opportunity to run for POTUS?

That was a movie.

DarnoKonrad: YodaBlues: If republicans actually legislated on the idea of fiscal conservatism, they would be a force to be reckoned with.

why? We were solvent before 1980.

Republicans were never about fiscal conservatism. They were about tax cuts. Two totally separate and contradicting ideas.


Exactly. Which is why Republicans are about as organized as my exercise regime. I said if they were though, they might be an attractive party.

/gym, 26 minutes, etc etc...

apistat: KaponoFor3: Dumb, just dumb. It was dumb when people on the Left said "ZOMG BUSH is gonna suspend elections and rule past 2 two terms", and it's dumb when idiots on the Right do it as well.

It's important to realize that whenever this argument is brought up regarding issues like this there's a huge difference of time and events. Most of the somewhat crazy stuff about Bush didn't start flowing until 4-6 years in, after a disasterous war waged for incorrect reasons and several other enormous blunders. Obama, on the other hand, has been in office for five farking months and the right is acting like he's packing conservatives on trains and sending them off to concentration camps. They have absolutely no middle gear; either someone is a good, real republican or he's the next hitler bent on destroying america and turning it into a marxist dictatorship.

I mean, something worth pointing out is that the Bush administration told us we were going to war over WMDs in Iraq, and we found none. Especially given the history of governments using external wars to consolidate internal power, and given the administration's demeanor of authoritarian contempt for all dissent, even internal to its own policy makers, it was and is a reasonable inference that the Bush administration had gone to war in Iraq in bad faith for political profit. An administration willing to lie the country into war for its own aggrandizement is also an administration which rejects Constitutional values, and might be willing to implement a coup d'etat, particularly given the administration's close affiliation with militant elements of the angry right.

kronicfeld: It would have been fun to see Bush get a crack at a third term. If you thought McCain's loss was bad, can you imagine if Obama had been up against Dubya in last year's election?

I remember Bush discussing the appeal of the 22nd Amendment. It's not going to happen.

Whamdangler 2009-07-03 01:45:11 PM
You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

So, you admit you were one of those who were convinced Dubya wouldn't step down, but somehow see humor when some on the other side are doing the exact same thing you did?

Would this be like the pot calling the kettle black??

jpo2269: Whamdangler 2009-07-03 01:45:11 PM
You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

So, you admit you were one of those who were convinced Dubya wouldn't step down, but somehow see humor when some on the other side are doing the exact same thing you did?

Would this be like the pot calling the kettle black??

There's a difference in the reasonableness of the inferences. Bush went to war on false facts, and for years dismissed with authoritarian contempt all those who dared point it out. His conduct created the appearance that he went to war on false pretenses for political aggrandizement. When Obama engages in like conduct, your inference that Obama doesn't intend to step down may likewise be thought reasonable.

Obama will not be able to save or create a second term, let alone a third.

I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If there's one thing Obama has proven, is that he can do things that nobody else can. This is a black guy with the name of Barack Hussein Obama who became President after only 2 years as a junior senator! And with a landslide!

If the US recovers so well that the people would want him President for additional terms, i can see that happening. Or he would leave office at 2016, spend a couple of terms as former President, and then get drafted by the people again for some reason.

Obama is remarkably young and fit. So his age won't be a problem in 20 years if the people want him again.

People still take the sweaty rantings of Rush Limbaugh seriously? This is just another paranoid fantasy concocted in his drug-addled mind.

madden101: It's encouraging to know Rush supports Obama/Biden '12.

Rush supported Obama to win in 2008. Hell, Rush probably even voted for Obama. Why?

Because Obama fuels his show better than McCain. Having McCain in office wasn't going to do much for Rush's show. There's only so much he could defend of McCain. But Obama's presidency was an effing gold mine for him as he has raged about the dumbest shiat possible. Not that he cares; he's just in it for the money.

An Amendment to repeal the 22nd?

It'd have to pass either 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, or a simple majority (50% plus one) in 2/3rds of the States' Legislatures.
Then it needs to be ratified by simple majority in 3/4ths of the States, either by their Legislatures or the People.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Interestingly, there were multiple attempts to repeal the 22nd Amendment when Clinton was president. And there were multiple attempts to repeal the 22nd Amendment when Bush Senior was president.

Which makes George W. Bush the only president in the last 20 years that everyone, even his fellow Republicans, apparently looked at and thought "thank God for term limits!"

ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

Procedural Texture:
The price of freedom is indeed eternal vigilance...but maybe you should actually wait for word that someone's actually proposing a Constitutional Amendment and then campaign against it.

You know, I honestly think that these people (the wingnuts, not all conservatives or even all Republicans) pretty much just project all their own sins and wicked desires onto their opponents:

All their craving for pure power.
All their love of violence.
All their disdain for true freedom and genuine democracy.
All their financial and sexual corruption.

All of these things, which the right wing displays in spades whenever its representatives are elected to office, are shoveled out any time liberals/left-wingers are elected, as if they were invented by them and previous right-wing legislators lived blameless monk-like lives.

aselene: ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

lol

z_gringo: Someone has been saying this about every president since I can remember.

My money is on a bigger push to weaken constitutional naturalization requirements (you have to be born here at the moment) so that Arnold can run, him being the only Republican moderate enough to have any chance at the presidency. And even that is probably going to be less a push than a lackadaisical nudging, as it's been for two decades.

Obama's too conservative (in the sense of the actual meaning of the word, not political affiliations) to try to pull that one off, author is not surprisingly a gigantically poor judge of character. While I like the guy, he's not exactly a fount of dramatic new ideas, all his domestic policies follow the standard conservative-Democrat line and his foreign policy could be switched with any number of presidents in the past with no one noticing (actually thinking of eisenhower for some reason). Not a radical thinker by any stretch of the imagination... which makes the "change" campaign a bit silly, but it's also the reason a lot of people voted for the guy.

My neighbor worked for the gas company for 30 years before he retired. At my high school graduation he told me about how people would do the stupidest things involving natural gas. He ended it by saying "You and I could sit around all day every day thinking of stupid things to do and we would never come up with even half of the stupid things they do."

The reason I tell this story is for a while I've thought it would be funny to make something up for the right wing loonies to get angry about. The problem is every time I come up with something I think is crazy enough they come up with something ten fold as stupid.

/I heard Obama is going to put a tax on all white families to pay reparations even if their family wasn't in America at the time

IStateTheObvious: I find it interesting to see how many people on the left in this thread admit that they are as big of an idiot as the fool who wrote this article.

For what it's worth -- I'm as much of an Obama-worshipping commie as you'll find 'round these parts (bonus: member of DU since '01), and I never believed that one. To me it seemed obvious that Bush wasn't having any fun anymore starting in early '05. He couldn't wait to slink off somewhere where he'd be able to get plastered as often as he wanted to, without the nation's eyes on him....

this was tried under reagan, clinton and bush jr. it always happens and it will never pass...

bunch of idiots.

aselene:
ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

THE MSM MISSED STORY OF THE CENTURY.

IN THIS PHOTO, A MEMBER OF THE PEOPLE'S 101ST GLORIOUS SOCIALIST HEROES OF THE REVOLUTION THOUGHT CRIME BRIGADE PERSONALLY SWEARS ALLIGEIENCE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA WHILE A "NEGRO CITIZENS' BRIGADE" COMMISAR SUPERVISES:

where the hell is this crap coming from? This is every bit as unhinged as the garbage about how Dubya was going to cancel the election, declare martial law, and suspend the constitution.

NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Term limits seem counter productive for elected representatives. You get a rep who just doesn't care what they do (or even if they do anything at all). They don't give a shiat whether they piss off the electorate because they no longer need voters to return them to office.

Isn't the US president basically irrelevant in the final 12 months or so of their second term?

Geez, not this again. The wackos on the right were saying the same thing about Clinton, and the wackos on the left were saying the same thing about W.

Even if they changed the 22nd amendment, most likely it wouldn't be retroactive (when it went in, it wasn't).

Besides, if the economy doesn't begin to pick up in the next few years and the republicans can get their heads out of the asses and get a decent candidate, Obama is going to have a fight on his hands to be back in 2013.

For instance, if in 2011 or 2012 unemployment is at 12%, the 5th and 6th 'stimulus' bills don't work, China has cut us off on borrowing, the dollar has crashed, and the republicans (or some new party) put up someone who can speak and isn't an absolute freak, Obama is in trouble.

Jim_Callahan: My money is on a bigger push to weaken constitutional naturalization requirements (you have to be born here at the moment) so that Arnold can run, him being the only Republican moderate enough to have any chance at the presidency. And even that is probably going to be less a push than a lackadaisical nudging, as it's been for two decades.

I think the financial state of California has pretty much shot any chances of putting that much effort behind getting him to run. Obviously it isn't all his fault, but he was in charge when it happened and he's going to take a huge part of the blame for it.

another CONservative idiot out for some attention and wave making.



typical.

now the question is how many stooges he'll get to believe his right wing propaganda.

No Such Agency: aselene:
ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

THE MSM MISSED STORY OF THE CENTURY.

IN THIS PHOTO, A MEMBER OF THE PEOPLE'S 101ST GLORIOUS SOCIALIST HEROES OF THE REVOLUTION THOUGHT CRIME BRIGADE PERSONALLY SWEARS ALLIGEIENCE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA WHILE A "NEGRO CITIZENS' BRIGADE" COMMISAR SUPERVISES:

I really like how obama is sporting a set of red horns in that photo.

Noticing repeats like this means I need to fark less.

captain_heroic44: CruiserTwelve: Apparently Rush has never heard of Snopes. Or at least he assumes none of his listeners have. (new window)

He just knows that if Snopes disagrees with him, his listeners will disregard Snopes.

I've heard my parents refer to snopes as "left wing propaganda," and then cite it when it agrees with them.

Oy.