You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

...wow, that's some weapons-grade wharrgarbl there.

That is one boatload of crazy right there.

I'm glad they're already giving up on 2012.

The stupid is strong with this one.

So... they are already writing off their own chances in 2012 ?

Unusually observant for them.

A guy at work was warning us of this very thing this morning. I think the same guy is also a member of the KKK or something like that.

Right wing whackos are a bunch of sniveling, mewling pussies.

the really sad thing is that so many people listen to and believe this douchebag

Unless, of course, NewsMax finds his Martian birth certificate before then.

demanton:

Right wing whackos are a bunch of sniveling, mewling pussies.



The ideology is made from fear.

Someone has been saying this about every president since I can remember.

Same shiat we heard in 1988 and 2000.

President Obama will never actually consider that (much less actually go for it). However, if hypothetically he tried to pull this off, the wingnuts would be crowing in vindication until the dirt was shoveled onto the coffin, and rightfully so; hell, I know I would, if I was that nutty. Fortunately, none of this will come to pass.

damnitkage: the really sad thing is that so many people listen to and believe this douchebag

No, no I was assured in another thread that only about 1% of his listeners actually believe him. The rest know he is just an entertainer like Stephen Colbert. It is apparently all a big joke played on all of us stupid libs.

Unless we wind up under a president who literally makes history for prosperity, peace, etc., it's not even something to think about and even then, it still makes me a little suspect. It's just not something we should allow, no matter who it is.

Wow.

I believe there is a move on the 22nd amendment during every term.

Well there definitely is a plot against the 22nd. My Congressman, Barney Frank, has been in on it for some years now. First google hit on "barney frank 22nd amendment" is a bunch of DU nutjobs freaking out that Barney Frank was going to be complicit in installing King George as dictator-for-life.

skinnycatullus: No, no I was assured in another thread that only about 1% of his listeners actually believe him. The rest know he is just an entertainer like Stephen Colbert. It is apparently all a big joke played on all of us stupid libs.

I can't imagine this, unless he is being undetectably subtle in his humor. And if he is being that subtle, then I know that 99% of his audience couldn't possibly comprehend any of the humor.

Whamdangler: I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch

I'm pretty sure that they are mostly chugging cough syrup.

Didn't Bill Clinton actually call for it's repeal years ago, while GWB was in office?

I actually do wish Bush had gotten another few terms by some means. There are a lot of people around who still need to experience that some more.

Sid_6.7: Whamdangler: I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch

I'm pretty sure that they are mostly chugging cough syrup.

More like Prestone.

Whenever this is mentioned by wing-nuts that I still talk to, I don't argue. I only tell them that their fears are justified and that it's for the good of the country when / if it happens.

Seriously, how can you not have fun with stupid like this?

skinnycatullus: damnitkage: the really sad thing is that so many people listen to and believe this douchebag

No, no I was assured in another thread that only about 1% of his listeners actually believe him. The rest know he is just an entertainer like Stephen Colbert. It is apparently all a big joke played on all of us stupid libs.

netweavr was trolling you and about 10 other people. We kept saying he was trolling, and people STILL believed him. He even admitted it at the end of the thread.

It would have been fun to see Bush get a crack at a third term. If you thought McCain's loss was bad, can you imagine if Obama had been up against Dubya in last year's election?

HAHAHAHAH! Shoe's on the other foot now, jockstraps.

Amazing.
Its like the idiots who where deathly afraid Bush would try to do it.

FTA: He inherited his father's Marxism.

I had no idea that we had found the Marxist gene already. Have they found the Socialist gene as well?

The Fourth Karamazov: netweavr was trolling you and about 10 other people. We kept saying he was trolling, and people STILL believed him. He even admitted it at the end of the thread.

Well shiat. In my defense, it is almost impossible to tell the difference anymore.

davidphogan: FTA: He inherited his father's Marxism.

I had no idea that we had found the Marxist gene already. Have they found the Socialist gene as well?

Hey, there's a Republican gene...



/sizzling like synapses

Dammit can we PLEASE kick the neoconservatives and Moral Conservatives to the curb. The GOP will gain 2 votes for every vote they loose by doing so.

Get rid of the moral issues and the Dems are going to be in for a world of hurt.

/That and the fact that the GOP can criticize well, but then abandons those principals once they get elected.

Crosshair: Get rid of the moral issues and the Dems are going to be in for a world of hurt.

sooooooo
you want the GOP to have a completely immoral platform
hmmmmmm
sex drugs and rock n roll

hell yes!!

Dumb, just dumb. It was dumb when people on the Left said "ZOMG BUSH is gonna suspend elections and rule past 2 two terms", and it's dumb when idiots on the Right do it as well.

I remember being made fun of by NewsMax for saying that Bush wasn't going to leave office in 2008. How times change.

The price of freedom is indeed eternal vigilance...but maybe you should actually wait for word that someone's actually proposing a Constitutional Amendment and then campaign against it.

And frankly, even if such an amendment was proposed and legally passed, the integrity of democracy is not significantly harmed, if at all. The integrity of democracy lies in transparent fair elections in which everyone can participate and all votes are counted. Anything else is fine tuning.

It is not hard to make the case that the electoral college and first-past-the-post voting systems do orders of magnitude more harm to the spirit of democracy than revoking the 22nd Amendment would.

Oh, and the reason people were watchful and suspicious of Bush's smooth departure was that his whole administration was characterized by violating the spirit and letter of the law and generally shiatting all over the constitution. It is hard to make that case against Obama.

But again, by all means, be vigilant.

Wikipedia article on the 22nd Amendment (link pops like an October Surprise)

it is very interesting
esp the whole, assumption that the GOP doesnt have a chance in hell of winning in 2012

that is a bit surprising

1) the midterms will show that obama is totally out of favor
2) but obama will so easily win in 2012 that we have to worry about 2016 already

cognitive dissonance shakes its tiny little paws at rush

Rush has been entertaining this idea on his show this last week, and I know I heard Hannity talking about it last week.

Apparently Obama's not giving them enough material (And they stretched his killing a fly out for nearly a week) so have just decided to make shiat up.

Apparently Rush has never heard of Snopes. Or at least he assumes none of his listeners have. (new window)

Wow, these guys are delusional.

Crosshair: Get rid of the moral issues and the Dems are going to be in for a world of hurt.

Yeah, cause they have fiscal conservatism to fall back on.

Sound exactly like what some idiots on the left were saying about Bush.

This is not a repeat from 1972.

Whamdangler: You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

So I take it you were also drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long?

GAT_00: I remember being made fun of by NewsMax for saying that Bush wasn't going to leave office in 2008. How times change.

NewsMax made fun of you for this?

ShawnDoc: so have just decided to make shiat up.

yeah, that is SO 2000-2008

Nicholas Urfe: Sound exactly like what some idiots on the left were saying about Bush.

Which was just as stupid, although at least the nuts who believed it about Bush actually waited until his second term.

bulldg4life: Crosshair: Get rid of the moral issues and the Dems are going to be in for a world of hurt.

Yeah, cause they have fiscal conservatism to fall back on.

If republicans actually legislated on the idea of fiscal conservatism, they would be a force to be reckoned with.

And if I exercised and ate healthy food, I'd lose weight.

/neither of this occurrences has happened yet.
//I'll get started tomorrow, Arby's has the 5 for $5!

YodaBlues: If republicans actually legislated on the idea of fiscal conservatism, they would be a force to be reckoned with.

why? We were solvent before 1980.

Republicans were never about fiscal conservatism. They were about tax cuts. Two totally separate and contradicting ideas.

It's encouraging to know Rush supports Obama/Biden '12.

I never had any fear that Bush would leave office at the end of '08, but I did give more than a passing thought to the idea that he might put off the '04, '06, or '08 elections because of security concerns.

Obama and the Democrats just passed a law forcing our military to swear an oath directly to him instead of to the Constitution.

Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Said the same thing about Bush, and Clinton, and Reagan, and probably Eisenhower too. Happens to all 2 term Presidents.

Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

GaryPDX: Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

I liked you better when you weren't on this zombie kick your on.

CruiserTwelve: Apparently Rush has never heard of Snopes. Or at least he assumes none of his listeners have. (new window)

He just knows that if Snopes disagrees with him, his listeners will disregard Snopes.

NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Clinton probably could have won a third term. As I recall, his approval rating was in the 60's at the time he left office. It was actually sagging into the 40's before the impeachment bullshiat began.

Didn't Republicans, a few years ago, try and pass an amendment which would eliminate being a native-born citizen a requirement to be president for the purpose of allowing Gov. Schwarzennager the opportunity to run for POTUS?

I have a feeling that even if Obama were to try to repeal the 22nd amendment, he'd meet with about as much success. And, if he somehow does succeed... oh well? If he sucks as a leader, he'll be voted out of office anyway.

I find it interesting to see how many people on the left in this thread admit that they are as big of an idiot as the fool who wrote this article.

me_the_farker: GaryPDX: Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

I liked you better when you weren't on this zombie kick your on.

At the rate the economy and debt spending is going, Obama, and the democrats, won't get past 2012.

KaponoFor3: Dumb, just dumb. It was dumb when people on the Left said "ZOMG BUSH is gonna suspend elections and rule past 2 two terms", and it's dumb when idiots on the Right do it as well.

It's important to realize that whenever this argument is brought up regarding issues like this there's a huge difference of time and events. Most of the somewhat crazy stuff about Bush didn't start flowing until 4-6 years in, after a disasterous war waged for incorrect reasons and several other enormous blunders. Obama, on the other hand, has been in office for five farking months and the right is acting like he's packing conservatives on trains and sending them off to concentration camps. They have absolutely no middle gear; either someone is a good, real republican or he's the next hitler bent on destroying america and turning it into a marxist dictatorship.

And here it is, H. J. RES. 5.

Kome: Didn't Republicans, a few years ago, try and pass an amendment which would eliminate being a native-born citizen a requirement to be president for the purpose of allowing Gov. Schwarzennager the opportunity to run for POTUS?


I think you are confusing it with the 61st amendment

/ obscure?

Oh come on...do they REALLY think this is an option?

Also, of course consider that if Obama was elected again in 2012 and was allowed to run again in 2016 AND WON, that mean he did a heckuva job^TM

Ok, so let me get this straight:

Believing GWB intends to overturn the 22nd Amendment so he can reign as Dictator-For-Life = totally farking batshiat insane.

Believing BHO intends to overturn the 22nd Amendment so he can reign as Dictator-For-Life = perfectly sane, lucid and rational.

Yeah.... I like this country.

Left wing loonies said the same thing about Bush. Move along, nothing to see here.

Whamdangler: Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term?

Yeah, this is exactly what I mean.

Cool! Next up we can vote Schwarzenegger for prez, then the whole Birthers thing is just an awkward experience.

Kome: Didn't Republicans, a few years ago, try and pass an amendment which would eliminate being a native-born citizen a requirement to be president for the purpose of allowing Gov. Schwarzennager the opportunity to run for POTUS?

That was a movie.

DarnoKonrad: YodaBlues: If republicans actually legislated on the idea of fiscal conservatism, they would be a force to be reckoned with.

why? We were solvent before 1980.

Republicans were never about fiscal conservatism. They were about tax cuts. Two totally separate and contradicting ideas.


Exactly. Which is why Republicans are about as organized as my exercise regime. I said if they were though, they might be an attractive party.

/gym, 26 minutes, etc etc...

apistat: KaponoFor3: Dumb, just dumb. It was dumb when people on the Left said "ZOMG BUSH is gonna suspend elections and rule past 2 two terms", and it's dumb when idiots on the Right do it as well.

It's important to realize that whenever this argument is brought up regarding issues like this there's a huge difference of time and events. Most of the somewhat crazy stuff about Bush didn't start flowing until 4-6 years in, after a disasterous war waged for incorrect reasons and several other enormous blunders. Obama, on the other hand, has been in office for five farking months and the right is acting like he's packing conservatives on trains and sending them off to concentration camps. They have absolutely no middle gear; either someone is a good, real republican or he's the next hitler bent on destroying america and turning it into a marxist dictatorship.

I mean, something worth pointing out is that the Bush administration told us we were going to war over WMDs in Iraq, and we found none. Especially given the history of governments using external wars to consolidate internal power, and given the administration's demeanor of authoritarian contempt for all dissent, even internal to its own policy makers, it was and is a reasonable inference that the Bush administration had gone to war in Iraq in bad faith for political profit. An administration willing to lie the country into war for its own aggrandizement is also an administration which rejects Constitutional values, and might be willing to implement a coup d'etat, particularly given the administration's close affiliation with militant elements of the angry right.

kronicfeld: It would have been fun to see Bush get a crack at a third term. If you thought McCain's loss was bad, can you imagine if Obama had been up against Dubya in last year's election?

I remember Bush discussing the appeal of the 22nd Amendment. It's not going to happen.

Whamdangler 2009-07-03 01:45:11 PM
You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

So, you admit you were one of those who were convinced Dubya wouldn't step down, but somehow see humor when some on the other side are doing the exact same thing you did?

Would this be like the pot calling the kettle black??

jpo2269: Whamdangler 2009-07-03 01:45:11 PM
You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

So, you admit you were one of those who were convinced Dubya wouldn't step down, but somehow see humor when some on the other side are doing the exact same thing you did?

Would this be like the pot calling the kettle black??

There's a difference in the reasonableness of the inferences. Bush went to war on false facts, and for years dismissed with authoritarian contempt all those who dared point it out. His conduct created the appearance that he went to war on false pretenses for political aggrandizement. When Obama engages in like conduct, your inference that Obama doesn't intend to step down may likewise be thought reasonable.

Obama will not be able to save or create a second term, let alone a third.

I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If there's one thing Obama has proven, is that he can do things that nobody else can. This is a black guy with the name of Barack Hussein Obama who became President after only 2 years as a junior senator! And with a landslide!

If the US recovers so well that the people would want him President for additional terms, i can see that happening. Or he would leave office at 2016, spend a couple of terms as former President, and then get drafted by the people again for some reason.

Obama is remarkably young and fit. So his age won't be a problem in 20 years if the people want him again.

People still take the sweaty rantings of Rush Limbaugh seriously? This is just another paranoid fantasy concocted in his drug-addled mind.

madden101: It's encouraging to know Rush supports Obama/Biden '12.

Rush supported Obama to win in 2008. Hell, Rush probably even voted for Obama. Why?

Because Obama fuels his show better than McCain. Having McCain in office wasn't going to do much for Rush's show. There's only so much he could defend of McCain. But Obama's presidency was an effing gold mine for him as he has raged about the dumbest shiat possible. Not that he cares; he's just in it for the money.

An Amendment to repeal the 22nd?

It'd have to pass either 2/3rds of both houses of Congress, or a simple majority (50% plus one) in 2/3rds of the States' Legislatures.
Then it needs to be ratified by simple majority in 3/4ths of the States, either by their Legislatures or the People.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Interestingly, there were multiple attempts to repeal the 22nd Amendment when Clinton was president. And there were multiple attempts to repeal the 22nd Amendment when Bush Senior was president.

Which makes George W. Bush the only president in the last 20 years that everyone, even his fellow Republicans, apparently looked at and thought "thank God for term limits!"

ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

Procedural Texture:
The price of freedom is indeed eternal vigilance...but maybe you should actually wait for word that someone's actually proposing a Constitutional Amendment and then campaign against it.

You know, I honestly think that these people (the wingnuts, not all conservatives or even all Republicans) pretty much just project all their own sins and wicked desires onto their opponents:

All their craving for pure power.
All their love of violence.
All their disdain for true freedom and genuine democracy.
All their financial and sexual corruption.

All of these things, which the right wing displays in spades whenever its representatives are elected to office, are shoveled out any time liberals/left-wingers are elected, as if they were invented by them and previous right-wing legislators lived blameless monk-like lives.

aselene: ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

lol

z_gringo: Someone has been saying this about every president since I can remember.

My money is on a bigger push to weaken constitutional naturalization requirements (you have to be born here at the moment) so that Arnold can run, him being the only Republican moderate enough to have any chance at the presidency. And even that is probably going to be less a push than a lackadaisical nudging, as it's been for two decades.

Obama's too conservative (in the sense of the actual meaning of the word, not political affiliations) to try to pull that one off, author is not surprisingly a gigantically poor judge of character. While I like the guy, he's not exactly a fount of dramatic new ideas, all his domestic policies follow the standard conservative-Democrat line and his foreign policy could be switched with any number of presidents in the past with no one noticing (actually thinking of eisenhower for some reason). Not a radical thinker by any stretch of the imagination... which makes the "change" campaign a bit silly, but it's also the reason a lot of people voted for the guy.

My neighbor worked for the gas company for 30 years before he retired. At my high school graduation he told me about how people would do the stupidest things involving natural gas. He ended it by saying "You and I could sit around all day every day thinking of stupid things to do and we would never come up with even half of the stupid things they do."

The reason I tell this story is for a while I've thought it would be funny to make something up for the right wing loonies to get angry about. The problem is every time I come up with something I think is crazy enough they come up with something ten fold as stupid.

/I heard Obama is going to put a tax on all white families to pay reparations even if their family wasn't in America at the time

IStateTheObvious: I find it interesting to see how many people on the left in this thread admit that they are as big of an idiot as the fool who wrote this article.

For what it's worth -- I'm as much of an Obama-worshipping commie as you'll find 'round these parts (bonus: member of DU since '01), and I never believed that one. To me it seemed obvious that Bush wasn't having any fun anymore starting in early '05. He couldn't wait to slink off somewhere where he'd be able to get plastered as often as he wanted to, without the nation's eyes on him....

this was tried under reagan, clinton and bush jr. it always happens and it will never pass...

bunch of idiots.

aselene:
ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

THE MSM MISSED STORY OF THE CENTURY.

IN THIS PHOTO, A MEMBER OF THE PEOPLE'S 101ST GLORIOUS SOCIALIST HEROES OF THE REVOLUTION THOUGHT CRIME BRIGADE PERSONALLY SWEARS ALLIGEIENCE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA WHILE A "NEGRO CITIZENS' BRIGADE" COMMISAR SUPERVISES:

where the hell is this crap coming from? This is every bit as unhinged as the garbage about how Dubya was going to cancel the election, declare martial law, and suspend the constitution.

NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Term limits seem counter productive for elected representatives. You get a rep who just doesn't care what they do (or even if they do anything at all). They don't give a shiat whether they piss off the electorate because they no longer need voters to return them to office.

Isn't the US president basically irrelevant in the final 12 months or so of their second term?

Geez, not this again. The wackos on the right were saying the same thing about Clinton, and the wackos on the left were saying the same thing about W.

Even if they changed the 22nd amendment, most likely it wouldn't be retroactive (when it went in, it wasn't).

Besides, if the economy doesn't begin to pick up in the next few years and the republicans can get their heads out of the asses and get a decent candidate, Obama is going to have a fight on his hands to be back in 2013.

For instance, if in 2011 or 2012 unemployment is at 12%, the 5th and 6th 'stimulus' bills don't work, China has cut us off on borrowing, the dollar has crashed, and the republicans (or some new party) put up someone who can speak and isn't an absolute freak, Obama is in trouble.

Jim_Callahan: My money is on a bigger push to weaken constitutional naturalization requirements (you have to be born here at the moment) so that Arnold can run, him being the only Republican moderate enough to have any chance at the presidency. And even that is probably going to be less a push than a lackadaisical nudging, as it's been for two decades.

I think the financial state of California has pretty much shot any chances of putting that much effort behind getting him to run. Obviously it isn't all his fault, but he was in charge when it happened and he's going to take a huge part of the blame for it.

another CONservative idiot out for some attention and wave making.



typical.

now the question is how many stooges he'll get to believe his right wing propaganda.

No Such Agency: aselene:
ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

THE MSM MISSED STORY OF THE CENTURY.

IN THIS PHOTO, A MEMBER OF THE PEOPLE'S 101ST GLORIOUS SOCIALIST HEROES OF THE REVOLUTION THOUGHT CRIME BRIGADE PERSONALLY SWEARS ALLIGEIENCE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA WHILE A "NEGRO CITIZENS' BRIGADE" COMMISAR SUPERVISES:

I really like how obama is sporting a set of red horns in that photo.

Noticing repeats like this means I need to fark less.

captain_heroic44: CruiserTwelve: Apparently Rush has never heard of Snopes. Or at least he assumes none of his listeners have. (new window)

He just knows that if Snopes disagrees with him, his listeners will disregard Snopes.

I've heard my parents refer to snopes as "left wing propaganda," and then cite it when it agrees with them.

Oy.

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 5

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.



110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 8

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty -second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.



109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 9

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty -second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.



108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 11

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty -second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.



107th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. J. RES. 4

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty -second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.



106th CONGRESS - 1st Session - H. J. RES. 17
105th CONGRESS - 1st Session - H. J. RES. 19
104th CONGRESS - 1st Session - H. J. RES. 71
103d CONGRESS - 1st Session - H. J. RES. 107
102d CONGRESS - 1st Session - H. J. RES. 61
101st CONGRESS - 1st Session - H. J. RES. 84

/Should I do the bills to reinstate the draft next?

/b/ took over Newsmax for lulz.

Cheops: where the hell is this crap coming from? This is every bit as unhinged as the garbage about how Dubya was going to cancel the election, declare martial law, and suspend the constitution.

Simple: they are trying to force 8 years of Bush criticisms into 8 months of Obama's administration.

No Such Agency: aselene:
ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

THE MSM MISSED STORY OF THE CENTURY.

IN THIS PHOTO, A MEMBER OF THE PEOPLE'S 101ST GLORIOUS SOCIALIST HEROES OF THE REVOLUTION THOUGHT CRIME BRIGADE PERSONALLY SWEARS ALLIGEIENCE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA WHILE A "NEGRO CITIZENS' BRIGADE" COMMISAR SUPERVISES:

You should trim about 1/8 of an inch off the top of that, just enough to take the blue out of the bunting. Then you can add in the fact that Obama has horns thereby proving his Satanic connections.

Huh, so I guess the Constitution is a living document. Funny how it's not sometimes, but it is when conservatives like a particular amendment.

Does anyone remember their junior high civics classes?

Whoever is in office at the time such an amendment goes into effect could not benefit from it. It could be the next guy, but not this guy.

apistat: Jim_Callahan: My money is on a bigger push to weaken constitutional naturalization requirements (you have to be born here at the moment) so that Arnold can run, him being the only Republican moderate enough to have any chance at the presidency. And even that is probably going to be less a push than a lackadaisical nudging, as it's been for two decades.

I think the financial state of California has pretty much shot any chances of putting that much effort behind getting him to run. Obviously it isn't all his fault, but he was in charge when it happened and he's going to take a huge part of the blame for it.

Eh, California's run in the red since forever, they're sort of the nemesis universe Texas (slight liberal trend with anti-libertarian leanings, never in the black, giant swings in economy instead of steady growth). If he hangs on until the economy there naturally recovers, he can take credit for it like FDR or Obama (well, like Obama's probably gonna do) and spin it to a positive.

Of course, yeah, if someone else gets elected over him in the meantime he's screwed and will probably just retire.

NeverDrunk23: Cheops: where the hell is this crap coming from? This is every bit as unhinged as the garbage about how Dubya was going to cancel the election, declare martial law, and suspend the constitution.

Simple: they are trying to force 8 years of Bush criticisms into 8 months of Obama's administration.

They are "Rush"ing things a little. The "He'll never step down" paranoia usually does not start until about half way through the second term.

BTW, The Snopes article does not go back far enough. I remember efforts to repeal Amendment 22 when Ronald Reagan was president.

Bonus: With popular conservative support!

davidphogan: FTA: He inherited his father's Marxism.

I had no idea that we had found the Marxist gene already. Have they found the Socialist gene as well?

Yes, that father that he met like what, twice in his life and has said in public several times that he basically thought was a piss-poor excuse for a father? Clearly THAT would be his overriding political influence.

Wow those folks aren't even TRYING anymore are they?

cybrgeezer: Does anyone remember their junior high civics classes?

Whoever is in office at the time such an amendment goes into effect could not benefit from it. It could be the next guy, but not this guy.

Depends on how they pass the amendment.

If the 28th amendment simply states ``The twenty-second article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed,' then no, whoever is in office at the time can be re-elected for a third (or more) term.

That, however, would never happen. No such amendment has any chance of being ratified, but even if it were, any such amendment would include a grandfather clause preventing any presidents who had already served a term from benefiting from it.

It might work a lot better if the Republitards would limit the number of stupid attacks to maybe one a day.

Why not.. just like a good employee, once you find the guy you are looking for you don't fire him.

It's not like anyone would be able to compete with him in an election.

I really wouldn't have a problem with him being President for life.

namatad: you want the GOP to have a completely immoral platform

Straw man. You know damn well what I'm talking about. Our drug laws, Abortion, Gay Marriage, etc.

YodaBlues: If republicans actually legislated on the idea of fiscal conservatism, they would be a force to be reckoned with.

And if I exercised and ate healthy food, I'd lose weight.

And Democrats represent the common man.

The worst thing about your post is that you are correct.

22nd Amendment? Noooooooo!

Please keep alcohol legal! Stop Obama!

With delicious beer.

Happy 4th

/The secret Muslim is more likely to be the guy sipping O'Doul's with the Saudi royals than the guy having a brewski at the ballpark, but don't let something triviaql like reality get in the way of a good, spluttering rage.

was I really this ridiculous two years ago?

captain_heroic44 2009-07-03 06:49:43 PM
jpo2269: Whamdangler 2009-07-03 01:45:11 PM
You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

So, you admit you were one of those who were convinced Dubya wouldn't step down, but somehow see humor when some on the other side are doing the exact same thing you did?

Would this be like the pot calling the kettle black??

There's a difference in the reasonableness of the inferences. Bush went to war on false facts, and for years dismissed with authoritarian contempt all those who dared point it out. His conduct created the appearance that he went to war on false pretenses for political aggrandizement. When Obama engages in like conduct, your inference that Obama doesn't intend to step down may likewise be thought reasonable.

First, you misunderstood what I was saying and drawing a conclusion that I might be one of those who are going to spend the next seven years screaming about how Obama is going to suspend the constitution to be "ruler for life," I am not.

What you are arguing however amounts to degrees without distinction. The common denominator in both cases is the dislike of who is the current president, nothing more, or nothing less.

It was not rational when the left did it, it is not rational now.

cybrgeezer: Does anyone remember their junior high civics classes?

Whoever is in office at the time such an amendment goes into effect could not benefit from it. It could be the next guy, but not this guy.

Your junior high civics teacher did not properly understand ex post facto.

If the 22nd Amendment was repealed during Obama's presidency, he would still be bound by its restriction since he assumed office while it was in effect...unless the repealing amend. specifically said otherwise. If it DID say otherwise, I don't see 3/4 of the states (many more than the Blue states) ratifying the repeal. Oh, and getting 7 Repubs to vote for it in the first place is laughable.

jpo2269: captain_heroic44 2009-07-03 06:49:43 PM
jpo2269: Whamdangler 2009-07-03 01:45:11 PM
You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

So, you admit you were one of those who were convinced Dubya wouldn't step down, but somehow see humor when some on the other side are doing the exact same thing you did?

Would this be like the pot calling the kettle black??

There's a difference in the reasonableness of the inferences. Bush went to war on false facts, and for years dismissed with authoritarian contempt all those who dared point it out. His conduct created the appearance that he went to war on false pretenses for political aggrandizement. When Obama engages in like conduct, your inference that Obama doesn't intend to step down may likewise be thought reasonable.

First, you misunderstood what I was saying and drawing a conclusion that I might be one of those who are going to spend the next seven years screaming about how Obama is going to suspend the constitution to be "ruler for life," I am not.

What you are arguing however amounts to degrees without distinction. The common denominator in both cases is the dislike of who is the current president, nothing more, or nothing less.

It was not rational when the left did it, it is not rational now.

No. What I am arguing amounts to the reasonableness of inferences of intention. Over the course of its administration, Bush and his cohorts engaged in repeated conduct demonstrating a rejection of Constitutional values. A short list, off the top of my head, includes:

1) Going to war in Iraq on false intelligence.

2) Exploiting the war in Iraq for political profit.

3) Instituting an unprecedented and massive electronic wiretap program in felony violation of existing criminal statutes.

4) Lying to the American people about the same electronic wiretap program.

5) Vindictively outing CIA agents to punish them for opposing their policies.

What this overall course of conduct showed was a rejection of lawful institutions for conducting our Constitutional system. Worse, it involved matters of war and peace, and national security. The type of people willing to undermine the fabric of our nation by engaging in this course of conduct from the highest office in the land are also the type of people willing to institute a coup d'etat.

President Obama has demonstrated no similar rejection of our institutional framework. Sure, he's broken some campaign promises. But his overall course of conduct since entering office has demonstrated a respect for the modes under which our country operates. Unless and until Obama engages in a like course of conduct to Bush's, no like inference that he intends to hold office beyond his lawful mandate is reasonable.

Everybody knows that Obama isn't going to try change things so that he can have a 3rd term.

At that point he intends to become the supreme leader of the entire world.

Kumbya
One United World, brother



via ezra

unyon: The stupid is strong with this one.

His stupochlorian count is the highest I've seen!

I can say that this is actually true. He has a portrait of Napoleon in his office and Michelle is going to legally change her name to Josephine. He plans to have himself installed as emperor for life, and have an Ayatollah preside over the coronation.

Then, he will require that all bibles be piled in each town square and burned. House to house searches will be conducted and anyone found with a bible after the burning will be stoned to death by muslim women in burkhas.

All guns will likewise be confiscated. Churches will be redesigned by muslim architects and converted into mosques and all americans will be required to convert to Islam.

This, of course is only the beginning but I will save the rest for later

NeverDrunk23: But Obama's presidency was an effing gold mine for him as he has raged about the dumbest shiat possible. Not that he cares; he's just in it for the money.

Somebody give this man a gold star on his farking chart

Captain,

While I am sure you are convinced of your beliefs of the things you listed, the one fact that remains is President Bush made no attempts to suspend the constitution to stay in power, which basically negates any "fear mongering" among some on the left that President Bush wanted to be leader for life.

Philosophically, I disagree with President Obama on what he has set as his agenda, but unlike the left, I refuse to beat the dumb of Obama being an evil person.

As I said this charge was not rational then and it is not rational now...

dumb = drum

and for the love of God, I have no idea how that happened...

Here's my theory:

The right wingnuts like Rush, as previously stated in this thread, have already run out of crazy to spew like so much prom night vomit into the ready-and-willing-ears of their dittoheads... So what do they do? They run the tapes back from the last 3-4 years of GWB and simply spin the left wingnut crazy into right wingnut crazy. The problem is they're trying to do it too fast, they're going to run out of material by the end of fall, but to be honest, I'm kinda looking forward to sure-to-be-entertaining insanity that spills forth when that runs out.

But I would also like to support the idea that the Bush-Dictator fear (although it was certainly also paranoia) was FAR more justified after 5-6 years (including all the things previously listed that I won't bother to reiterate) than the Obama-Dictator paranoia that is flying around after 5ish months.

What exactly is he doing that's making all these guys think he's attempting a dictatorial coup of the government? I'm not a fan of all his moves, but I certainly don't see much to be construed as tyrannical or terrifying in them.

I wonder if the right is realizing now that Dubya's vast expansion of executive power over the past 8 years has handed Obama a lot more power to use against them if he wants to.

They sold out their principles to support a corrupt, criminal administration farking over the balance of power in government, and now it's biting them in the ass.

apistat: the right is acting like he's packing conservatives on trains and sending them off to concentration camps.

First he has to free the dopers to make room. This could be a great thing.

There's nothing about this that's stupid. It's a long-term campaign story arc!

Rush & Co start beating the drum of Obama saying "president for life" when it's ABSURDLY early in Obama's presidency. So now your average Republican has heard from at least six or seven friends that Obama:

1) Is a Socialist.

2) Doesn't have a proper birth certificate.

3) Bowed to the Saudi king.

4) Tried to install himself as ruler-for-life.

... all before 6 months is out.

Then, by the time we get to 2010, let alone 2012, it's "common knowledge."

This is a very smart and very cynical (and very standard) tactic. The idea is an echo chamber. There's no need to fact-check when SIX PEOPLE YOU KNOW AND TRUST already said it to you.

/ But Rush should burn in farking hell.

Did the article say anything about the freedom prisons being built by ACORN?

captain_heroic44: President Obama has demonstrated no similar rejection of our institutional framework.

Give him time. He's only been in office like -- what -- six months? Never forget that snookums was a liberal troll. It takes time to prepare these things.

Let's just start calling him "President for Life Barack Obama"

I couldn't stand the (to borrow a word) libtards who wouldn't stop saying "you think Bush is going to step down after the 2008 election? LOL, you're so naive".

Now I get to listen to a bunch of republitards do the exact same shiat. Only this time, it starts just a few months into the first term.

WhoIsWillo: I'm glad they're already giving up on 2012.

Haha, same thing came to mind.

me_the_farker: GaryPDX: Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

I liked you better when you weren't on this zombie kick your on.

At least somebody liked him once.

Occulto: NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Term limits seem counter productive for elected representatives. You get a rep who just doesn't care what they do (or even if they do anything at all). They don't give a shiat whether they piss off the electorate because they no longer need voters to return them to office.

Isn't the US president basically irrelevant in the final 12 months or so of their second term?

I don't care for the idea of limits on the total number of terms, but I like the idea of limits on consecutive terms. A Grover Cleveland is probably not as dangerous as a President For Life with a funny hat.

/You get one term as President, then sit out the next. If people remember you fondly, you can get elected again. That way, every election is contested.

Blues_X: If you think this is true, you are an idiot.

True, and I'd like to add:

If you think the Obamabots wouldn't be in favor of it, you're an idiot.

Snarfangel: Occulto: NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Term limits seem counter productive for elected representatives. You get a rep who just doesn't care what they do (or even if they do anything at all). They don't give a shiat whether they piss off the electorate because they no longer need voters to return them to office.

Isn't the US president basically irrelevant in the final 12 months or so of their second term?

I don't care for the idea of limits on the total number of terms, but I like the idea of limits on consecutive terms. A Grover Cleveland is probably not as dangerous as a President For Life with a funny hat.

/You get one term as President, then sit out the next. If people remember you fondly, you can get elected again. That way, every election is contested.

Like the bumper sticker says, we already have term limits- they're called elections. Vote.

FuturePastNow: Snarfangel: Occulto: NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Term limits seem counter productive for elected representatives. You get a rep who just doesn't care what they do (or even if they do anything at all). They don't give a shiat whether they piss off the electorate because they no longer need voters to return them to office.

Isn't the US president basically irrelevant in the final 12 months or so of their second term?

I don't care for the idea of limits on the total number of terms, but I like the idea of limits on consecutive terms. A Grover Cleveland is probably not as dangerous as a President For Life with a funny hat.

/You get one term as President, then sit out the next. If people remember you fondly, you can get elected again. That way, every election is contested.

Like the bumper sticker says, we already have term limits- they're called elections. Vote.

Actually, we already have term limits, it's called the 22nd Amendment.

/at least for Presidents.
//I'd just prefer a different version.

The necessity of the 22nd amendment is debatable.

Unlike being a third-world dictator-for-life where you openly loot the country, rape women and boys at your pleasure, and let everyone but your personal guards and courtiers go to hell, being President of the United States is, by all accounts, intellectually and emotionally draining. Many who have held that office aged prematurely and seemed relieved to exit.

The first 33 presidents served with no term limit other than self-imposed. Only two sought a third term and lost. FDR is the only president to win election more than twice. Clinton and maybe Eisenhower are the only presidents since the term limit took effect who may have been electable AND effective through a full third term. Obviously the ripple effect of a third Eisenhower third term would make subsequent events, including the fate of JFK, unknowable.

Nem Wan 2009-07-03 09:04:40 PM
The necessity of the 22nd amendment is debatable.

Unlike being a third-world dictator-for-life where you openly loot the country, rape women and boys at your pleasure, and let everyone but your personal guards and courtiers go to hell, being President of the United States is, by all accounts, intellectually and emotionally draining. Many who have held that office aged prematurely and seemed relieved to exit.

The first 33 presidents served with no term limit other than self-imposed. Only two sought a third term and lost. FDR is the only president to win election more than twice. Clinton and maybe Eisenhower are the only presidents since the term limit took effect who may have been electable AND effective through a full third term. Obviously the ripple effect of a third Eisenhower third term would make subsequent events, including the fate of JFK, unknowable.

Wow, you just made an arguement to legitimise this article. I did not think that was possible.

This is pretty brilliant by Rush. He knows it's been proposed in pretty much every Congress since the 22nd amendment was put in place, so when it's inevitably proposed by this Congress, he gets to hold it up as showing he was right. He's a fat, bald asshole, but he's smart.

If they are going to change how the President serves, I would rather they institute one six-year term instead of two four-year terms. The second term of most Presidents have been disasters.

67 Beetle: If they are going to change how the President serves, I would rather they institute one six-year term instead of two four-year terms. The second term of most Presidents have been disasters.

Make it Seven, just to piss off the Senators.

aselene: ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

Is NO ONE going to ask for a "citation needed", or have I just been royally trolled?

Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Everybody knows this whole Obama presidency thing is about setting up Joe Biden for '16, anyway.

67 Beetle 2009-07-03 09:22:40 PM
If they are going to change how the President serves, I would rather they institute one six-year term instead of two four-year terms. The second term of most Presidents have been disasters.

1 term, 6 years.. no problem with this idea..

FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

I have to agree.... I wonder what 90+ million gun owners will think at an Obama power grab? So there is some boat load of crazy in that article. I, as a proud owner of 7 firearms, will not worry too much.

The stunning hypocricy of Limbaugh calling anyone else's supporters "cult-like followers" simply staggers the mind.

What a farking grade-A asshole.

Term limits are man's law.... not God's law! Bush 2008Obama 2016!!!

The correct answer is... 2009-07-03 01:47:03 PM ...wow, that's some weapons-grade wharrgarbl there.
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I thought WND was nuts, but goddamn.

At this rate if he gets reelected republicans might go out and spontaneously explode.

Jim_Callahan: My money is on a bigger push to weaken constitutional naturalization requirements (you have to be born here at the moment) so that Arnold can run, him being the only Republican moderate enough to have any chance at the presidency.

Maybe right after he was elected Governor and he was the bright shiny new Republican hope. With the California budget in shambles, he couldn't get re-elected here, much less carry the state as a Presidential candidate.

FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

Beatle_Matt 2009-07-03 02:13:06 PM Didn't Bill Clinton actually call for it's repeal years ago, while GWB was in office?
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Yes, actually. He said "While i personally wouldn't want to come back for a 3rd term, I don't really see the need for it to exist".

Honestly, even if Obama becomes the greatest president ever, the fear that someone like GWB could possibly be elected more than 2 terms is enough to say no to ever appealing it :)

Jimsus: My neighbor worked for the gas company for 30 years before he retired. At my high school graduation he told me about how people would do the stupidest things involving natural gas. He ended it by saying "You and I could sit around all day every day thinking of stupid things to do and we would never come up with even half of the stupid things they do."

The reason I tell this story is for a while I've thought it would be funny to make something up for the right wing loonies to get angry about. The problem is every time I come up with something I think is crazy enough they come up with something ten fold as stupid.

/I heard Obama is going to put a tax on all white families to pay reparations even if their family wasn't in America at the time

I heard that everyone whose families were from anywhere in Europe were going to be deported back to their homelands so all the former slaves could get that 40 acres and a mule they'd been promised.

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aselene: ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

Is NO ONE going to ask for a "citation needed", or have I just been royally trolled?

It is bogus, started off as a satire and idiots went with it.
Link (new window)

Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

Under the premise proposed, Obama would be attempting to circumvent the Constitution in order to stay in power.

In that scenario, you bet your bippie I believe the military would not side with the White House. Particularly for this president and the Nancy Pelosi-types.

Gyrfalcon: Jimsus: My neighbor worked for the gas company for 30 years before he retired. At my high school graduation he told me about how people would do the stupidest things involving natural gas. He ended it by saying "You and I could sit around all day every day thinking of stupid things to do and we would never come up with even half of the stupid things they do."

The reason I tell this story is for a while I've thought it would be funny to make something up for the right wing loonies to get angry about. The problem is every time I come up with something I think is crazy enough they come up with something ten fold as stupid.

/I heard Obama is going to put a tax on all white families to pay reparations even if their family wasn't in America at the time

I heard that everyone whose families were from anywhere in Europe were going to be deported back to their homelands so all the former slaves could get that 40 acres and a mule they'd been promised.

Fail.

darkhorse23 Your newsletter. I am subscribing to it.

Sometimes I think the far right believe that Obama's the next Roosevelt more than anyone else.

FishingWithFredo: Everybody knows this whole Obama presidency thing is about setting up Joe Biden for '16, anyway.

I did not know that.

This is yet another confirmation that everything the libs said about Bush is in turn being said by neo-cons about Obama. verbatim.

You could take a left-wing article from 2005, do a Replace all Bush with Obama and print that sucker today on a right-wing blog.

I voted for Bush and McCain and am not a big fan of Obama, but even I can't belive this is true.

Millzners damm right!

Millzners: This is yet another confirmation that everything the libs said about Bush is in turn being said by neo-cons about Obama. verbatim.

You could take a left-wing article from 2005, do a Replace all Bush with Obama and print that sucker today on a right-wing blog.

And that's all the neocons care about. It was said about Bush due to all the other stuff he did and the people wouldn't put it past him to try something like that. The neocons are saying this now only because it was said about Bush.

Millzners: This is yet another confirmation that everything the libs said about Bush is in turn being said by neo-cons about Obama. verbatim.

You could take a left-wing article from 2005, do a Replace all Bush with Obama and print that sucker today on a right-wing blog.

With the only difference being that Bush had 5 years worth of doing underhanded, destructive shiat that led the majority of the country to believe he can't be trusted. Obama, on the other hand, hasn't even been in office long enough to really see the impact of the things he's actually accomplished so far.

It's a big difference.

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aselene: ucfknights: I've heard this from 3 different right-wingers I know this week. The meme is getting around.

If it isn't true, why are our men and women in uniform now swearing directly to Obama instead of to the Constitution?

Is NO ONE going to ask for a "citation needed", or have I just been royally trolled?

It is bogus, started off as a satire and idiots went with it.
Link (new window)

THANK YOU!

Obama has the same ability to have this done as Bush. Oddly enough, I possess the same chance to sleep with Megan Fox and Kate Beckinsale (while she's in her Underworld costume).

JQPublic: Gyrfalcon: Jimsus: My neighbor worked for the gas company for 30 years before he retired. At my high school graduation he told me about how people would do the stupidest things involving natural gas. He ended it by saying "You and I could sit around all day every day thinking of stupid things to do and we would never come up with even half of the stupid things they do."

The reason I tell this story is for a while I've thought it would be funny to make something up for the right wing loonies to get angry about. The problem is every time I come up with something I think is crazy enough they come up with something ten fold as stupid.

/I heard Obama is going to put a tax on all white families to pay reparations even if their family wasn't in America at the time

I heard that everyone whose families were from anywhere in Europe were going to be deported back to their homelands so all the former slaves could get that 40 acres and a mule they'd been promised.

Fail.

Well, no shiat, genius. No sarcasm filter?

pistol1557: FishingWithFredo: Everybody knows this whole Obama presidency thing is about setting up Joe Biden for '16, anyway.

I did not know that.

I didn't either. He isn't MY first choice.

Yeah, yeah, crazy people always think it's the rest of the entire world who're crazy instead of them. And it there's one thing NewsMax specializes in, it's crazy.

Also, I'm willing to bet good money that this "end22.com" place the article and some of the rightie blogs are going crazy over was set up by some Glenn Beck types trying to stir the pot.

Sabyen91: I didn't either. He isn't MY first choice.

Me either. I'm betting in 2016 we get a completely new candidate that talks all kinds of great stuff and doesn't change jack shiat.

I wish the ACLU would just come out and run a candidate. I'd vote for Anthony Romero.

Prospero424: Also, I'm willing to bet good money that this "end22.com" place the article and some of the rightie blogs are going crazy over was set up by some Glenn Beck types trying to stir the pot.

ha.... the vast right wing conspiracy... gotta love that good deflection. Almost as awesome as the "all those racists at the teabagger thing were liberal plants!"

You guys are farking imbeciles.

sarcastrophe: Sabyen91: I didn't either. He isn't MY first choice.

Me either. I'm betting in 2016 we get a completely new candidate that talks all kinds of great stuff and doesn't change jack shiat.

I wish the ACLU would just come out and run a candidate. I'd vote for Anthony Romero.

Romero would be great if he would stop emailing me!

Sabyen91: Romero would be great if he would stop emailing me!

Pfft... those emails are the highlights of my day. I read them and realize that someone out there somewhere is putting up the good fight. I feel like it's money well spent.

sarcastrophe: Sabyen91: Romero would be great if he would stop emailing me!

Pfft... those emails are the highlights of my day. I read them and realize that someone out there somewhere is putting up the good fight. I feel like it's money well spent.

Well, yeah. I am starting to get creeped out by Christopher Reeves emailing me all the time.

sarcastrophe: ha.... the vast right wing conspiracy... gotta love that good deflection. Almost as awesome as the "all those racists at the teabagger thing were liberal plants!"

I would be less suspicious if, you know, Obama had even been elected for a second term at this point, or if the site made more of an effort to appear nonpartisan.

But with the "Obama's third term!" crap plastered all over the site, I have a very, very hard time believing that whoever set it up has a straightforward agenda.

But do go on being overly credulous towards anything that lets you biatch about Obama supporters, no matter how ridiculous
it is. It suits you.

sarcastrophe: You guys are farking imbeciles.

Says the farking Ron Paul supporter... Too farking funny.

Whamdangler: You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

Yeah, evidence that it is indeed occurring be damned. I didn't see anyone organizing a repeal of the 22nd amendment under Bush, just the left wing loonies screaming about it. Now the left wing loonies are promoting it - and you call us delusional?

Dude.

Rockdrummer: Whamdangler: You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

Yeah, evidence that it is indeed occurring be damned. I didn't see anyone organizing a repeal of the 22nd amendment under Bush, just the left wing loonies screaming about it. Now the left wing loonies are promoting it - and you call us delusional?

Dude.

You believe there is evidence that Obama is going to try for a 3rd term. You should really not be condescending to anybody.

damnitkage: the really sad thing is that so many people listen to and believe this douchebag

Yeah. he makes all this shiat up.

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You sir, are a clueless denier.

Sabyen91: Rockdrummer: Whamdangler: You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

Yeah, evidence that it is indeed occurring be damned. I didn't see anyone organizing a repeal of the 22nd amendment under Bush, just the left wing loonies screaming about it. Now the left wing loonies are promoting it - and you call us delusional?

Dude.

You believe there is evidence that Obama is going to try for a 3rd term. You should really not be condescending to anybody.

Yeah, a Joint House Resolution is no evidence at all.

/You are either an ignorant farktard, stupid, or both.

Prospero424: I would be less suspicious if, you know, Obama had even been elected for a second term at this point, or if the site made more of an effort to appear nonpartisan.

But with the "Obama's third term!" crap plastered all over the site, I have a very, very hard time believing that whoever set it up has a straightforward agenda.

But do go on being overly credulous towards anything that lets you biatch about Obama supporters, no matter how ridiculous
it is. It suits you.

I thought my first *filter buster* comment in this post made it clear i thought this idea was retarded. But you're changing the subject. Do you believe this was from right wing plants?

If so, you're a tard... sorry... and you're on the same level as the truthers.

Rockdrummer: Sabyen91: Rockdrummer: Whamdangler: You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

Yeah, evidence that it is indeed occurring be damned. I didn't see anyone organizing a repeal of the 22nd amendment under Bush, just the left wing loonies screaming about it. Now the left wing loonies are promoting it - and you call us delusional?

Dude.

You believe there is evidence that Obama is going to try for a 3rd term. You should really not be condescending to anybody.

Yeah, a Joint House Resolution is no evidence at all.

/You are either an ignorant farktard, stupid, or both.

It happens every election cycle and dies in committee. Come back to me when it gets to the floor.

Rockdrummer: damnitkage: the really sad thing is that so many people listen to and believe this douchebag

Yeah. he makes all this shiat up.

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You sir, are a clueless denier.

This resolution has been submitted in almost every session since time immemorial. It's always been ignored. You sir, have no idea of history. Once it starts to get decent cosponsorship, you'll have my attention.

rohar: This resolution has been submitted in almost every session since time immemorial. It's always been ignored. You sir, have no idea of history. Once it starts to get decent cosponsorship, you'll have my attention.

holy shiat man... you're still around. Hey.. you need to come out west this summer.

sarcastrophe: rohar: This resolution has been submitted in almost every session since time immemorial. It's always been ignored. You sir, have no idea of history. Once it starts to get decent cosponsorship, you'll have my attention.

holy shiat man... you're still around. Hey.. you need to come out west this summer.

Yeah, I was just over, company went south and the assets were bought by new british overlords. I thought about you, but it's been a busy run. It all ended well.

I've got a data center downtown Seattle that's been shut down due to a fire, so I'm stuck staring at my computer waiting for a status change. Thought I'd burn some time here. Looks like I'll be over around the 20th.

sarcastrophe: I thought my first *filter buster* comment in this post made it clear i thought this idea was retarded. But you're changing the subject. Do you believe this was from right wing plants?

If so, you're a tard... sorry... and you're on the same level as the truthers.

I think it's likely that this particular site was set up by some anti-Obama partisan nutjob. Maybe they're not right-wing, maybe they're from that Hillaryis44 crowd. But that site just reeks of con job.

But it's not like this is some out-there conspiracy. This sort of thing (setting up fake sites to make the opposition look bad) was done many times during just the last campaign by various factions on both sides of the American spectrum. If you're not at least willing to admit the possibility (I'm sure as hell not claiming it's certain), then you're the [insert pathetic, juvenile sarcastrophe insult here], buddy!

sarcastrophe: If so, you're a tard... sorry... and you're on the same level as the truthers.

Because I think one lousy website might be fake? What the fark is wrong with you? You've got a sandy farking vagina tonight.

So? Shortly after Bush was elected there was a movement to strike the rule that the Pres had to be born here so we could have the Last Action Executive.

Rockdrummer: Sabyen91: Rockdrummer: Whamdangler: You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

Yeah, evidence that it is indeed occurring be damned. I didn't see anyone organizing a repeal of the 22nd amendment under Bush, just the left wing loonies screaming about it. Now the left wing loonies are promoting it - and you call us delusional?

Dude.

You believe there is evidence that Obama is going to try for a 3rd term. You should really not be condescending to anybody.

Yeah, a Joint House Resolution is no evidence at all.

/You are either an ignorant farktard, stupid, or both.

You just insulted people who biatchslapped you with valid information that this amendment has been proposed in almost every Congressional session since it was passed in 1947, and by members of both parties, and it's never made it out of committee, and I don't know anyone or have seen any evidence the "left wing loonies" are pushing it. You're just a partisan farkwit giving the impression the Republican party is just made up of a bunch of reactionary farkwads, and not worth a damn.

So, keep it up.

rohar: Yeah, I was just over, company went south and the assets were bought by new british overlords. I thought about you, but it's been a busy run. It all ended well.

I've got a data center downtown Seattle that's been shut down due to a fire, so I'm stuck staring at my computer waiting for a status change. Thought I'd burn some time here. Looks like I'll be over around the 20th.

I've created a bogus account at gmail: wtffa­rkl­i­amg­co­m

Email me your real address and we can coordinate from there. BTW... the western peninsula sucks.

We've never had a resolution AND an arrogant ass of a rookie politician who thinks he should be emperor for life.

Sabyen91: JQPublic: Gyrfalcon: Jimsus: My neighbor worked for the gas company for 30 years before he retired. At my high school graduation he told me about how people would do the stupidest things involving natural gas. He ended it by saying "You and I could sit around all day every day thinking of stupid things to do and we would never come up with even half of the stupid things they do."

The reason I tell this story is for a while I've thought it would be funny to make something up for the right wing loonies to get angry about. The problem is every time I come up with something I think is crazy enough they come up with something ten fold as stupid.

/I heard Obama is going to put a tax on all white families to pay reparations even if their family wasn't in America at the time

I heard that everyone whose families were from anywhere in Europe were going to be deported back to their homelands so all the former slaves could get that 40 acres and a mule they'd been promised.

Fail.

Well, no shiat, genius. No sarcasm filter?

I was referring to the "forty acres and a mule" myth.

demanton: Right wing whackos are a bunch of sniveling, mewling pussies.

Really? Then what do you call the left wing whackos, demantons whussies? LOL

Prospero424: sarcastrophe: I thought my first *filter buster* comment in this post made it clear i thought this idea was retarded. But you're changing the subject. Do you believe this was from right wing plants?

If so, you're a tard... sorry... and you're on the same level as the truthers.

I think it's likely that this particular site was set up by some anti-Obama partisan nutjob. Maybe they're not right-wing, maybe they're from that Hillaryis44 crowd. But that site just reeks of con job.

But it's not like this is some out-there conspiracy. This sort of thing (setting up fake sites to make the opposition look bad) was done many times during just the last campaign by various factions on both sides of the American spectrum. If you're not at least willing to admit the possibility (I'm sure as hell not claiming it's certain), then you're the [insert pathetic, juvenile sarcastrophe insult here], buddy!

sarcastrophe: If so, you're a tard... sorry... and you're on the same level as the truthers.

Because I think one lousy website might be fake? What the fark is wrong with you? You've got a sandy farking vagina tonight.

Oh man... I apologize. I completely misunderstood. I thought this was just a shot in the dark conclusion by you. Certainly then you have some evidence to support your conclusion, right?

JQPublic: Sabyen91: JQPublic: Gyrfalcon: Jimsus: My neighbor worked for the gas company for 30 years before he retired. At my high school graduation he told me about how people would do the stupidest things involving natural gas. He ended it by saying "You and I could sit around all day every day thinking of stupid things to do and we would never come up with even half of the stupid things they do."

The reason I tell this story is for a while I've thought it would be funny to make something up for the right wing loonies to get angry about. The problem is every time I come up with something I think is crazy enough they come up with something ten fold as stupid.

/I heard Obama is going to put a tax on all white families to pay reparations even if their family wasn't in America at the time

I heard that everyone whose families were from anywhere in Europe were going to be deported back to their homelands so all the former slaves could get that 40 acres and a mule they'd been promised.

Fail.

Well, no shiat, genius. No sarcasm filter?

I was referring to the "forty acres and a mule" myth.

Same thing, dumbass. You haven't gotten nearly drunk enough.

Rockdrummer: We've never had a resolution AND an arrogant ass of a rookie politician who thinks he should be emperor for life.

And we don't now. But do we have a Congress willing to pass it, and 3/4 of the states willing to, as well?

No?

Again- you = partisan farkwit.

According to whois, "www.End22.com" Was created December 7, 2008.

This is about a month before President Obama was even sworn into office.

FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Dude, really? And Joe Biden? Man can't form a sentence. What the fark are you talking about??

Gyrfalcon: JQPublic: Sabyen91: JQPublic: Gyrfalcon: Jimsus: My neighbor worked for the gas company for 30 years before he retired. At my high school graduation he told me about how people would do the stupidest things involving natural gas. He ended it by saying "You and I could sit around all day every day thinking of stupid things to do and we would never come up with even half of the stupid things they do."

The reason I tell this story is for a while I've thought it would be funny to make something up for the right wing loonies to get angry about. The problem is every time I come up with something I think is crazy enough they come up with something ten fold as stupid.

/I heard Obama is going to put a tax on all white families to pay reparations even if their family wasn't in America at the time

I heard that everyone whose families were from anywhere in Europe were going to be deported back to their homelands so all the former slaves could get that 40 acres and a mule they'd been promised.

Fail.

Well, no shiat, genius. No sarcasm filter?

I was referring to the "forty acres and a mule" myth.

Same thing, dumbass. You haven't gotten nearly drunk enough.

Now you're just being willfully ignorant. You don't get it.

Rockdrummer: We've never had a resolution AND an arrogant ass of a rookie politician who thinks he should be emperor for life.

Oh, come on. Now you are just looking for bites. Goodbye.

sarcastrophe: Oh man... I apologize. I completely misunderstood. I thought this was just a shot in the dark conclusion by you. Certainly then you have some evidence to support your conclusion, right?

Apology accepted. I never made any "conclusion". That was your mistake.

blogwiz: demanton: Right wing whackos are a bunch of sniveling, mewling pussies.

Really? Then what do you call the left wing whackos, demantons whussies? LOL

Hahaha, you told him.

Procedural Texture: The price of freedom is indeed eternal vigilance...but maybe you should actually wait for word that someone's actually proposing a Constitutional Amendment and then campaign against it.

And frankly, even if such an amendment was proposed and legally passed, the integrity of democracy is not significantly harmed, if at all. The integrity of democracy lies in transparent fair elections in which everyone can participate and all votes are counted. Anything else is fine tuning.

It is not hard to make the case that the electoral college and first-past-the-post voting systems do orders of magnitude more harm to the spirit of democracy than revoking the 22nd Amendment would.

Oh, and the reason people were watchful and suspicious of Bush's smooth departure was that his whole administration was characterized by violating the spirit and letter of the law and generally shiatting all over the constitution. It is hard to make that case against Obama.

But again, by all means, be vigilant.

Wikipedia article on the 22nd Amendment (link pops like an October Surprise)

Thanks for your permission I think I will because I believe we need term limits on all politicians, because if they all had term limits maybe just maybe we can actually get some work out of them in their last term! Because the way it stands now they get elected work a few months then the start working on getting re elected and don't do the job we elected them for in the first place!

The 22nd Ammendment was done mostly by Republicans, whe were upset that Democrat FDR was elected to four terms.

So which Presidents were not legally able to run for a third term due to the 22nd?

Eisenhower, Republican

Reagan, Republican

Clinton, Democrat

George W. Bush, Republican.

The others were either assassinated (JFK), didn't run again (Johnson) or were defeated in re-election (Ford, Carter, George H.W. Bush)

simpsonfan: The 22nd Ammendment was done mostly by Republicans, whe were upset that Democrat FDR was elected to four terms.

And the whole damned country ratified it just so you couldn't make the argument partisan.

What was your point again?

Cromar: Left wing loonies said the same thing about Bush. Move along, nothing to see here.

The problem is that you have let your loonies take over the right wing slanted media. This is not just some random dude on the internet, this has been repeated on Fox News and every talk radio show over the last week or so.

I can't believe I'm the first person to notice this:

TFA: Upon Obama's taking office, Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., introduced legislation in the House to repeal the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, which limits presidents to two consecutive terms or 10 years in office.

I guess Newsmax is trying to give Bush those two more years he really needs to turn this economy around and get Bin Laden.

No, no I was assured in another thread that only about 1% of his listeners actually believe him. The rest know he is just an entertainer like Stephen Colbert. It is apparently all a big joke played on all of us stupid libs.

You realize how hard you got trolled in that thread right? At the end of thread the guy even said he was, and it was pretty obvious in the actual thread.

I even have that thread bookmarked as an epic example of fine trolling. Lol hilarious that people days later still don't get it even with all the hints. I'm not even conservative and I gotta give that guy props for how hard he nailed you guys, face it he took your frothing Limbaugh rage and made that into a great great thread.

Lost Thought 00: Said the same thing about Bush, and Clinton, and Reagan, and probably Eisenhower too. Happens to all 2 term Presidents.

Some wishful thinking there don't you think? Because once unemployment hit 10%+ and people see his plan was just a bunch of BS he may have a harder time than people think!

He did say when he was trying to get the people behind his stimulus bill that "if we didn't pass this right away that unemployment could reach 10%" but he also said that "if passed now we can keep it to only 8%".....but just this week obama came out and said we would hit 10% and maybe more before it gets better!
So what are we suppose to believe? I know maybe we should believe that a nonprofit insurance company is good competion for an insurance company that depends on profit to stay in business, because thats what obama is telling us now instead of taking the health care system we already have in place and fixing it by working with the doctors and insurers and finding ways to cut cost in the system!

GaryPDX: me_the_farker: GaryPDX: Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

I liked you better when you weren't on this zombie kick your on.

At the rate the economy and debt spending is going, Obama, and the democrats, won't get past 2012.

I believe some dems won't make it past 2010(pelosi I hope)!

Prospero424: Apology accepted. I never made any "conclusion". That was your mistake.

Well it's good to know you admit you were talking out of your ass then.

danwiseman: Oh come on...do they REALLY think this is an option?

Also, of course consider that if Obama was elected again in 2012 and was allowed to run again in 2016 AND WON, that mean he did a heckuva jobTM

Well he is off to a lousy start! He has put my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great (well you get it) grandkids will be paying for what he is doing....people are already calling for him to cancel the rest of the stimulus bill mainly because they aren't seeing anything good coming from it!

I'd actually support that. Without the 22nd ammendment, Bill Clinton would've been elected for a third term and we'd all be drinking liquid gold from platinum chalices.

blogwiz: GaryPDX: me_the_farker: GaryPDX: Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

I liked you better when you weren't on this zombie kick your on.

At the rate the economy and debt spending is going, Obama, and the democrats, won't get past 2012.

I believe some dems won't make it past 2010(pelosi I hope)!

And Dodd and Fwank

blogwiz: danwiseman: Oh come on...do they REALLY think this is an option?

Also, of course consider that if Obama was elected again in 2012 and was allowed to run again in 2016 AND WON, that mean he did a heckuva jobTM

Well he is off to a lousy start! He has put my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great (well you get it) grandkids will be paying for what he is doing....people are already calling for him to cancel the rest of the stimulus bill mainly because they aren't seeing anything good coming from it!

So, he added a great?

how the hell is a news max link listed as anything other then fascist

cardex: how the hell is a news max link listed as anything other then fascist

We need righty wharrgarbl to balance left-wing reality. It is Drew's idea of fair and balanced.

sarcastrophe: Well it's good to know you admit you were talking out of your ass then.

And it's good to know that you're behaving like a petty little biatch. Noted for future reference.

Sabyen91: We need righty wharrgarbl to balance left-wing reality. It is Drew's idea of fair and balanced.


true but most of the time right wing wharrgable is properly identified as right wing wharrgable, when right wing wharrgable is represented as neutral it throws the balance off.

newsmax should auto flagged as right win wharrgable just like moveon.org should be auto flagged as left wing wharrgable


/likes typing wharrgable
// wharrgable wharrgable wharrgable

I also heard he has moved nuclear warheads to aim at middle america.
Why not? It's as likely as anything else he has been accused of.

cardex: Sabyen91: We need righty wharrgarbl to balance left-wing reality. It is Drew's idea of fair and balanced.


true but most of the time right wing wharrgable is properly identified as right wing wharrgable, when right wing wharrgable is represented as neutral it throws the balance off.

newsmax should auto flagged as right win wharrgable just like moveon.org should be auto flagged as left wing wharrgable


/likes typing wharrgable
// wharrgable wharrgable wharrgable

The PITA rarely shows reality. People just ignore it now.

So Newsmax has already admitted defeat in 2012?

Occulto: NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Term limits seem counter productive for elected representatives. You get a rep who just doesn't care what they do (or even if they do anything at all). They don't give a shiat whether they piss off the electorate because they no longer need voters to return them to office.

Isn't the US president basically irrelevant in the final 12 months or so of their second term?

Well they don't do anything after a year anyway because they start working on being re elected!

The president is irrelevant in the final 12 months in any term, because in the first term they spend the last 12 months trying to stay in office and the second term the last 12 months they are lame ducks because the other party is fighting them tooth and nail so they can get their guy in office!

Prospero424: sarcastrophe: Well it's good to know you admit you were talking out of your ass then.

And it's good to know that you're behaving like a petty little biatch. Noted for future reference.

Do you even realize that you put forward somem bizarre conspiracy theory where your political opponents are pretending to be on your side in order to discredit you? Do you even remember doing this? I mean... I know your smarter than this. I've talked to you many times before. Maybe you should go back and read what you said.

blogwiz: Occulto: NobleHam: Even if this were true, I wouldn't care. I've always thought the 22nd amendment was stupid anyway. If the people want to elect someone three times, let them. It worked out pretty well with FDR, and we might not have had to deal with Bush if Clinton had gotten another chance.

Term limits seem counter productive for elected representatives. You get a rep who just doesn't care what they do (or even if they do anything at all). They don't give a shiat whether they piss off the electorate because they no longer need voters to return them to office.

Isn't the US president basically irrelevant in the final 12 months or so of their second term?

Well they don't do anything after a year anyway because they start working on being re elected!

The president is irrelevant in the final 12 months in any term, because in the first term they spend the last 12 months trying to stay in office and the second term the last 12 months they are lame ducks because the other party is fighting them tooth and nail so they can get their guy in office!

Yeah, the lame duck excuse is crazy. Either somebody is focused on reelection or they just get lazy because they only have a couple of years left.

sarcastrophe: Do you even realize that you put forward somem bizarre conspiracy theory where your political opponents are pretending to be on your side in order to discredit you? Do you even remember doing this? I mean... I know your smarter than this. I've talked to you many times before. Maybe you should go back and read what you said.

You know perfectly well it wasn't "bizarre", and that this stuff goes on all the time. I explained to you in clear terms why I thought the site was suspicious. You failed to even try to refute my argument in that regard. You ignored it and went straight to calling me a "retard".

If you were interested in reasonable dialog rather than satisfying some petty grudge or ego boost by ridicule, you wouldn't have started off your responses by ignoring my argument and going straight to juvenile name calling.

Anyone reading this exchange can see exactly who went off the rails, here. And it wasn't me.

Unless you can show that you're interested in adult conversation, I'm done with you for the night.

Prospero424: Also, I'm willing to bet good money that this "end22.com" place the article and some of the rightie blogs are going crazy over was set up by some Glenn Beck types trying to stir the pot.

Alright.... well I guess I should invest in some tinfoil then.

This was nuts when people said it about Bush, it's nuts now.

ghare: This was nuts when people said it about Bush, it's nuts now.

This is something I can agree with... especially considering it's only BEEN 6 GOD DAMNED MONTHS.

Happy Independence Day everyone!

Man, that was a great movie.

Herman Borrach: Happy Independence Day everyone!

Man, that was a great movie.

It was? Was that the one with the black president or the one with the gay guy with the hot chick?

Herman Borrach: Happy Independence Day everyone!

Man, that was a great movie.

RIP, Jeff Goldblum... RIP...

"So this Independence day, those that will bother, will sing songs and give speeches glorifying our Freedom, our Independence. We will wave flags and pay hollow honors to those who have died to protect what others have died to give us. We will puff our chests with pride and glory.

Then come Monday we will meekly return to subservience declaring our distaste for politics, i.e. excuse for not taking action, allowing all that Jesus and other liberators stood for, all that this country stood for, all that generation after generation of American Soldiers have died for, to go straight to farking hell!

And then get indignant should someone suggest, that maybe we ain't so patriotic after all......."

The only problem, RG, is that far too many people who read your post will actually think that government bail-outs, stimulus packages, public option health care plans, trampling civil liberties in the name of freedom, and a military interventionist foreign policy are expressions of our freedom as a people and not the death of them.

Stolen from: http://delawarelibertarian.blogspot.com/2009/07/happy-fourth-of-july-suckers.ht m l (new window)

Prospero424: Herman Borrach: Happy Independence Day everyone!

Man, that was a great movie.

RIP, Jeff Goldblum... RIP...

Hehe, dammit. Stop telling everybody I am dead.

sarcastrophe: "So this Independence day, those that will bother, will sing songs and give speeches glorifying our Freedom, our Independence. We will wave flags and pay hollow honors to those who have died to protect what others have died to give us. We will puff our chests with pride and glory.

Then come Monday we will meekly return to subservience declaring our distaste for politics, i.e. excuse for not taking action, allowing all that Jesus and other liberators stood for, all that this country stood for, all that generation after generation of American Soldiers have died for, to go straight to farking hell!

And then get indignant should someone suggest, that maybe we ain't so patriotic after all......."

The only problem, RG, is that far too many people who read your post will actually think that government bail-outs, stimulus packages, public option health care plans, trampling civil liberties in the name of freedom, and a military interventionist foreign policy are expressions of our freedom as a people and not the death of them.

Stolen from: http://delawarelibertarian.blogspot.com/2009/07/happy-fourth-of-july-suckers.ht m l (new window)

You should have left it unstolen!

diadelsuerte: Why not.. just like a good employee, once you find the guy you are looking for you don't fire him.

It's not like anyone would be able to compete with him in an election.

I really wouldn't have a problem with him being President for life.

Your another one of those blind followers of obama I see, I quess you believe his idea that we should have a not for profit health insurance company compete agianst companies that have to make a profit to stay in business because he thinks they need competion to keep their cost down....for one they can't compete agianst a not for profit company its just not possible plus they already have competion with other for profit companies!

His idea kills insurance companies putting even more people out of work and makes his insurance company the only one left meaning government run health care system!

We can fix the system we have and offer health care at a reasonable price, for one keep the lawyers out of it and then get all hospitals, doctors and pharmacy's connected through the internet so we can cut out alot of double and triple testing of sick people which will cut cost and a punch of problems can be fix by just doing this one thing and cutting alot of cost!

*fireworks*

moothemagiccow: was I really this ridiculous two years ago?

More than likely! LOL

Crosshair: Dammit can we PLEASE kick the neoconservatives and Moral Conservatives to the curb. The GOP will gain 2 votes for every vote they loose by doing so.

Get rid of the moral issues and the Dems are going to be in for a world of hurt.

I disagree. Get rid of the moral issues and the poor who support the GOP now have no reason to not vote Dem.

blogwiz: diadelsuerte: Why not.. just like a good employee, once you find the guy you are looking for you don't fire him.

It's not like anyone would be able to compete with him in an election.

I really wouldn't have a problem with him being President for life.

Your another one of those blind followers of obama I see, I quess you believe his idea that we should have a not for profit health insurance company compete agianst companies that have to make a profit to stay in business because he thinks they need competion to keep their cost down....for one they can't compete agianst a not for profit company its just not possible plus they already have competion with other for profit companies!

His idea kills insurance companies putting even more people out of work and makes his insurance company the only one left meaning government run health care system!

We can fix the system we have and offer health care at a reasonable price, for one keep the lawyers out of it and then get all hospitals, doctors and pharmacy's connected through the internet so we can cut out alot of double and triple testing of sick people which will cut cost and a punch of problems can be fix by just doing this one thing and cutting alot of cost!

Anybody who says, "blind follower of Obama" automatically gets the douchebag tag.

These people just regurgitate the same stuff liberals said over the past 8 years.


Wingnuts are not known for creativity or originality.

Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Sabyen91: blogwiz: diadelsuerte: Why not.. just like a good employee, once you find the guy you are looking for you don't fire him.

It's not like anyone would be able to compete with him in an election.

I really wouldn't have a problem with him being President for life.

Your another one of those blind followers of obama I see, I quess you believe his idea that we should have a not for profit health insurance company compete agianst companies that have to make a profit to stay in business because he thinks they need competion to keep their cost down....for one they can't compete agianst a not for profit company its just not possible plus they already have competion with other for profit companies!

His idea kills insurance companies putting even more people out of work and makes his insurance company the only one left meaning government run health care system!

We can fix the system we have and offer health care at a reasonable price, for one keep the lawyers out of it and then get all hospitals, doctors and pharmacy's connected through the internet so we can cut out alot of double and triple testing of sick people which will cut cost and a punch of problems can be fix by just doing this one thing and cutting alot of cost!

Anybody who says, "blind follower of Obama" automatically gets the douchebag tag.

Is that good? LMAO

Elektrohed: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Dude, really? And Joe Biden? Man can't form a sentence. What the fark are you talking about??


As far as the Biden thing goes, my humor is so FAIL-tastic. *Hangs head in shame*

blogwiz: Sabyen91: blogwiz: diadelsuerte: Why not.. just like a good employee, once you find the guy you are looking for you don't fire him.

It's not like anyone would be able to compete with him in an election.

I really wouldn't have a problem with him being President for life.

Your another one of those blind followers of obama I see, I quess you believe his idea that we should have a not for profit health insurance company compete agianst companies that have to make a profit to stay in business because he thinks they need competion to keep their cost down....for one they can't compete agianst a not for profit company its just not possible plus they already have competion with other for profit companies!

His idea kills insurance companies putting even more people out of work and makes his insurance company the only one left meaning government run health care system!

We can fix the system we have and offer health care at a reasonable price, for one keep the lawyers out of it and then get all hospitals, doctors and pharmacy's connected through the internet so we can cut out alot of double and triple testing of sick people which will cut cost and a punch of problems can be fix by just doing this one thing and cutting alot of cost!

Anybody who says, "blind follower of Obama" automatically gets the douchebag tag.

Is that good? LMAO

Well, perhaps. I like vinegar on my subs.

Crosshair:

Fair enough. Although I voted Obambi, I know full well both parties are full of shiat.

YodaBlues: Crosshair:

Fair enough. Although I voted Obambi, I know full well both parties are full of shiat.

Obambi? The only place I have seen that is that crazy Hillaryis45 site. You want to admit something?

Sabyen91: YodaBlues: Crosshair:

Fair enough. Although I voted Obambi, I know full well both parties are full of shiat.

Obambi? The only place I have seen that is that crazy Hillaryis45 site. You want to admit something?

Or 44.

Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Nope but they don't follow orders blindly, if a general goes off the deep end and tells his men to go to some town usa and kill everyone his men are going to point their guns at him and throw his ass in the brig! A soldier has a brain and they use them and they are not going to attack the people the swore to protect which includes their very own families!

blogwiz: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Nope but they don't follow orders blindly, if a general goes off the deep end and tells his men to go to some town usa and kill everyone his men are going to point their guns at him and throw his ass in the brig! A soldier has a brain and they use them and they are not going to attack the people the swore to protect which includes their very own families!

Actually, they generally do follow orders blindly.

Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Nope but they don't follow orders blindly, if a general goes off the deep end and tells his men to go to some town usa and kill everyone his men are going to point their guns at him and throw his ass in the brig! A soldier has a brain and they use them and they are not going to attack the people the swore to protect which includes their very own families!

Actually, they generally do follow orders blindly.

I'm sure you've got experience to back that up right? You realize there's any number of college educated officers between that general and the ground pounders that deliver the punch and may have the cranial capacity to actually follow the constitution over orders as is demanded or is this new to you?

rohar: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Nope but they don't follow orders blindly, if a general goes off the deep end and tells his men to go to some town usa and kill everyone his men are going to point their guns at him and throw his ass in the brig! A soldier has a brain and they use them and they are not going to attack the people the swore to protect which includes their very own families!

Actually, they generally do follow orders blindly.

I'm sure you've got experience to back that up right? You realize there's any number of college educated officers between that general and the ground pounders that deliver the punch and may have the cranial capacity to actually follow the constitution over orders as is demanded or is this new to you?

Well, torture is illegal right?

rohar: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Nope but they don't follow orders blindly, if a general goes off the deep end and tells his men to go to some town usa and kill everyone his men are going to point their guns at him and throw his ass in the brig! A soldier has a brain and they use them and they are not going to attack the people the swore to protect which includes their very own families!

Actually, they generally do follow orders blindly.

I'm sure you've got experience to back that up right? You realize there's any number of college educated officers between that general and the ground pounders that deliver the punch and may have the cranial capacity to actually follow the constitution over orders as is demanded or is this new to you?

Actually I would trust the grunt over the officer.

This is just as stupid as when the liberals said it about Bush.

Sabyen91: YodaBlues: Crosshair:

Fair enough. Although I voted Obambi, I know full well both parties are full of shiat.

Obambi? The only place I have seen that is that crazy Hillaryis45 site. You want to admit something?


How much I hate Hillary Clinton? Just cause I voted for him and generally approve of his policies doesn't mean I can't make fun of him. Hell, I called Bush Chimpy McFlightsuit and the Shrub for 8 years.

Sabyen91: rohar: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Nope but they don't follow orders blindly, if a general goes off the deep end and tells his men to go to some town usa and kill everyone his men are going to point their guns at him and throw his ass in the brig! A soldier has a brain and they use them and they are not going to attack the people the swore to protect which includes their very own families!

Actually, they generally do follow orders blindly.

I'm sure you've got experience to back that up right? You realize there's any number of college educated officers between that general and the ground pounders that deliver the punch and may have the cranial capacity to actually follow the constitution over orders as is demanded or is this new to you?

Well, torture is illegal right?

Sorry, I grew up and Air Force brat and served in the submarine fleet. That was the rudest reminder that my experience is not the entire farking military. Throw in a little social engineering and they could probably be controlled by a despotic government. Just send the east coast troops to the west coast, the southern troops to the liberal metro areas and it's probably over in hours.

I wish I was being sarcastic.

I yield.

YodaBlues: Sabyen91: YodaBlues: Crosshair:

Fair enough. Although I voted Obambi, I know full well both parties are full of shiat.

Obambi? The only place I have seen that is that crazy Hillaryis45 site. You want to admit something?


How much I hate Hillary Clinton? Just cause I voted for him and generally approve of his policies doesn't mean I can't make fun of him. Hell, I called Bush Chimpy McFlightsuit and the Shrub for 8 years.

Why Obambi? Is that making fun of him?

rohar: Sabyen91: rohar: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Nope but they don't follow orders blindly, if a general goes off the deep end and tells his men to go to some town usa and kill everyone his men are going to point their guns at him and throw his ass in the brig! A soldier has a brain and they use them and they are not going to attack the people the swore to protect which includes their very own families!

Actually, they generally do follow orders blindly.

I'm sure you've got experience to back that up right? You realize there's any number of college educated officers between that general and the ground pounders that deliver the punch and may have the cranial capacity to actually follow the constitution over orders as is demanded or is this new to you?

Well, torture is illegal right?

Sorry, I grew up and Air Force brat and served in the submarine fleet. That was the rudest reminder that my experience is not the entire farking military. Throw in a little social engineering and they could probably be controlled by a despotic government. Just send the east coast troops to the west coast, the southern troops to the liberal metro areas and it's probably over in hours.

I wish I was being sarcastic.

I yield.

I just don't believe the military would be open to an overthrow of the government.

Sabyen91: YodaBlues: Sabyen91: YodaBlues: Crosshair:

Fair enough. Although I voted Obambi, I know full well both parties are full of shiat.

Obambi? The only place I have seen that is that crazy Hillaryis45 site. You want to admit something?


How much I hate Hillary Clinton? Just cause I voted for him and generally approve of his policies doesn't mean I can't make fun of him. Hell, I called Bush Chimpy McFlightsuit and the Shrub for 8 years.

Why Obambi? Is that making fun of him?


Dude...it's a silly nickname. Chill.

Sabyen91: I just don't believe the military would be open to an overthrow of the government.

I honestly don't think the entire military would. But we've seen verticals of the military be very malleable. We're trained on the UCMJ, the Constitution and the Geneva convention. Then we end up with Kent State, Abu Ghraib, My Lai etc.

The problem is that none of us actually join up to defend our country. We don't know our country at the tender age of 18. We join up to defend our family, our block and maybe our neighborhood. When we run into something that looks like an enemy and isn't like the folks back home, they're dehumanized so all bets are off.

I guess as I sit here thinking about it, without my natural defense of something I was part of, I'm not sure how things would work out. If the leadership handled things eloquently, it could go very bad. Let's hope we never have to actually figure it out.

Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sabyen91: blogwiz: Sygerrik: FishingWithFredo: Hah!

I'd like to see Obama try and go all Hugo.

We need a good civil war every 150 years or so.

You get the Congress, government bureaucrats, trial lawyers and the Judges on your side; we'll have the military and the bitter rural people who cling to their guns.

Wonder who would win?

Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

LOL You never served did you? A chain of command doesn't work when the ones taking the orders don't agree with the orders and believe me the ones with the most guns are the ones who are taking the orders!

So you are saying the military is full of traitors? That is weird.

Nope but they don't follow orders blindly, if a general goes off the deep end and tells his men to go to some town usa and kill everyone his men are going to point their guns at him and throw his ass in the brig! A soldier has a brain and they use them and they are not going to attack the people the swore to protect which includes their very own families!

Actually, they generally do follow orders blindly.

Fail.

Oh come the fark on.

Sygerrik
Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

Not a vet are you? If it came to a civil war, the military would be just as divided as the country, and the military tends to be much more conservative than the country as a whole. It amuses me to no end every time I see some clueless idiot make this argument. And, just to correct you, the military swear an oath to the Constitution, not to the President, his orders have to be constitutional, or they aren't legal orders, and therefore not only do not need to be followed, but are under obligation to not carry them out. Most military see themselves as the protectors of civilians, and forced to choose, the chain of command will lose. I know Hollywood loves the idea of the brainless automaton that just follows the lead of those above him, but that's simply not true. Seems kinda relevant to the people who keep making these claims though.

rohar
Just send the east coast troops to the west coast, the southern troops to the liberal metro areas and it's probably over in hours.

Um, there aren't any "East coast" troops, or "West coast" or "Southern". All units are a mix from all areas, and despite your claims, I've never served with a vet who didn't think he was there for the entire country, not just his piece of it. If, and it's a big if, we started having units that were segregated by regional origination, then possibly you could see something like that. But it would take a whole long chain of "if this, then if that, then if that, then.......". It's just not a realistic claim to make as it's based in pure fantasy.

Wraithbane: Sygerrik
Any conservative who thinks the military would side against the government in any civil war is encouraged to attempt to test this belief. The chain of command is long and winding, but it ends at the White House, not the chain-link gate to Real America's trailer park.

Not a vet are you? If it came to a civil war, the military would be just as divided as the country, and the military tends to be much more conservative than the country as a whole. It amuses me to no end every time I see some clueless idiot make this argument. And, just to correct you, the military swear an oath to the Constitution, not to the President, his orders have to be constitutional, or they aren't legal orders, and therefore not only do not need to be followed, but are under obligation to not carry them out. Most military see themselves as the protectors of civilians, and forced to choose, the chain of command will lose. I know Hollywood loves the idea of the brainless automaton that just follows the lead of those above him, but that's simply not true. Seems kinda relevant to the people who keep making these claims though.



Reluctantly agrees.

Wraithbane: rohar
Just send the east coast troops to the west coast, the southern troops to the liberal metro areas and it's probably over in hours.

Um, there aren't any "East coast" troops, or "West coast" or "Southern". All units are a mix from all areas, and despite your claims, I've never served with a vet who didn't think he was there for the entire country, not just his piece of it. If, and it's a big if, we started having units that were segregated by regional origination, then possibly you could see something like that. But it would take a whole long chain of "if this, then if that, then if that, then.......". It's just not a realistic claim to make as it's based in pure fantasy.

You have a hard time with complex issues don't you. Army?

I never said there were logistically segregated units, only that deft social manipulation could be very advantageous to a dictatorial regime. I never stated anything about what we thought when we were young, only what was possible. It is impossible at the average age of the military to even begin to comprehend defending this whole nation. It's simply unknowable as so few years. Yeah, even I said different, I had no idea.

The entire idea is fantastical, what do you want from me? It's like watching "The Wild" and saying that Water Buffalo can't dance after watching 7 animals talk for half an hour.

End of the day though, the basic premise stands. The troops are not limited by the law/constitution/geneva convention. See Kent State, Abu Ghraib, My Lai etc.

rohar: Wraithbane: rohar
Just send the east coast troops to the west coast, the southern troops to the liberal metro areas and it's probably over in hours.

Um, there aren't any "East coast" troops, or "West coast" or "Southern". All units are a mix from all areas, and despite your claims, I've never served with a vet who didn't think he was there for the entire country, not just his piece of it. If, and it's a big if, we started having units that were segregated by regional origination, then possibly you could see something like that. But it would take a whole long chain of "if this, then if that, then if that, then.......". It's just not a realistic claim to make as it's based in pure fantasy.

You have a hard time with complex issues don't you. Army?

I never said there were logistically segregated units, only that deft social manipulation could be very advantageous to a dictatorial regime. I never stated anything about what we thought when we were young, only what was possible. It is impossible at the average age of the military to even begin to comprehend defending this whole nation. It's simply unknowable as so few years. Yeah, even I said different, I had no idea.

The entire idea is fantastical, what do you want from me? It's like watching "The Wild" and saying that Water Buffalo can't dance after watching 7 animals talk for half an hour.

End of the day though, the basic premise stands. The troops are not limited by the law/constitution/geneva convention. See Kent State, Abu Ghraib, My Lai etc.

Yes they are limited by law. They are subject to civil law, the Constitution, and military law (UCMJ), and the Geneva Conventions. Abu Ghraib and My Lai had people thrown in prison, demoted, relieved of command. Plenty of people at Leavenworth and Mannheim.

So, in summary: You don't know shiat about the military.

YodaBlues: Sabyen91: YodaBlues: Sabyen91: YodaBlues: Crosshair:

Fair enough. Although I voted Obambi, I know full well both parties are full of shiat.

Obambi? The only place I have seen that is that crazy Hillaryis45 site. You want to admit something?


How much I hate Hillary Clinton? Just cause I voted for him and generally approve of his policies doesn't mean I can't make fun of him. Hell, I called Bush Chimpy McFlightsuit and the Shrub for 8 years.

Why Obambi? Is that making fun of him?


Dude...it's a silly nickname. Chill.

At least he didn't call him Obongo.

Ah yes, like Kennedy and his Catholic cabal were going to do. And Nixon. And Bush.
Reminds me - I need to pop for some ALCOA stock - I have the feeling they're going to be seeing some good revenue flow.

Keep an eye on proposed legislation yourself:
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museisluse: Keep an eye on proposed legislation yourself:
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And now, as a public service to those of our viewers who have difficulty with their hearing, I will repeat the most recent action on the proposed repeal of the 22nd amendment, aided by the Headmaster of the New York School for the Hard of Hearing, Garrett Morris.

Crosshair: Dammit can we PLEASE kick the neoconservatives and Moral Conservatives to the curb. The GOP will gain 2 votes for every vote they loose by doing so.

Get rid of the moral issues and the Dems are going to be in for a world of hurt.

/That and the fact that the GOP can criticize well, but then abandons those principals once they get elected.

You sound like a fellow libertarian. I am with you all the way.

From the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...


Saturday, Jan. 22, 2005 8:36 p.m. EST
Strategists Eyeing Deal for Clinton Third Term (new window)
Political strategists are reportedly pondering a deal that would allow Bill Clinton to run for president again by getting Republicans to agree to a change in the constitutional ban on third terms.

276 Posts and no Floor Humper?



That has to be a record in a NewsMax Thread.

bronyaur1: Unless, of course, NewsMax finds his Martian birth certificate before then.

Dude, Obama already covered this, its Krypton, not Mars.

me_the_farker 2009-07-03 06:29:21 PM

GaryPDX: Wow, this place really is the Freeperville of the Left. Funny thing is, most of you are zombie food and don't even know it.

I liked you better when you weren't on

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;D

but not previewed apparently*

/boo shiatty posting!
//hooray beer!

Man, will those bastards stop stealing our stuff...

We were the ones who claimed it wouldn't be remotely surprising if Bush declared martial law or engineered a crisis of some sort... Now Republicans have to be all "Obama too!!!"

But it's stupid... it was melodramatic even when it was Bush, but for a while there, it wasn't all that crazy given the frequency with which he was declaring executive privilege and increasing the powers of the executive office and all the overreaching bullshiat they were trying to do in the name of homeland security and stacking the DOJ wall-to-wall with Liberty U. grads.

There was a basis for the idea with Bush... What's the farking basis with a President who hasn't been in office six months?

You guys are just the whiniest, most ridiculous, bunch of drama queens on the planet? Cowboys? Rugged Americans? All that macho bullshiat? I've been camping in the rain with sorority girls who whined less than you farkers.

Worse yet, you're uncreative and you repeatedly lift material from the very same people you claim to loathe. If that's not proof positive of your general inferior intellectual ability, I don't know what is.


"Hey y'all, we wanna biatch about Obama like they done about BUsh... but we cain't think a nuthin' but stuff like faincy mustard and teleprompters and they just laugh at us when say that stuff... What can we use?"

"How about we use all that stuff they used to say about Bush?"

"Well, but does it apply to Obama?"

"Awww, that don't matter none... all them Presidentses is all alike... this hyere's just what they call a rivalry... lahk in rasslin.' I'm Republicans fan. They's got a elephant mascot like Alabama."

I'd believe it based on his rhetoric towards Honduras. Here is a situation where a congress and supreme court are trying to uphold a constitutional prohibition against seeking re-election and our government and our media are presenting it to us as a military coup. Obama's position on Honduras favors executive power over constitutional restraints. IMHO that's enough to suspect he and his supporters might move on the 22nd amendment. Then again there were a whole bunch of people running around saying Bush was not going to let the '08 elections happen due to national security. People say crazy things.

The reality though is repealing the 22nd amendment could possibly take years, longer than his second term (and politically talk of a third term couldn't even start until about 1-2 years into his second term). He's young enough to be looking long term, maybe come back in 2020 or 2024 and he and Chavez can be el presidente's para la vida. But 2016 does not seem plausible politically.

captain_heroic44: jpo2269: Whamdangler 2009-07-03 01:45:11 PM
You cannot be serious. Do you know the ridicule I received from NewsMax types when I said that I thought Bush might take steps to not step down at the end of his second term? I gotta believe the "right wing" of today is just drinking fine scotch, typing up the most ridiculous trolls, and laughing all day long.

So, you admit you were one of those who were convinced Dubya wouldn't step down, but somehow see humor when some on the other side are doing the exact same thing you did?

Would this be like the pot calling the kettle black??

There's a difference in the reasonableness of the inferences. Bush went to war on false facts, and for years dismissed with authoritarian contempt all those who dared point it out. His conduct created the appearance that he went to war on false pretenses for political aggrandizement. When Obama engages in like conduct, your inference that Obama doesn't intend to step down may likewise be thought reasonable.

Also, if we're going to talk about what Obama might or might not do in 2016, perhaps 2009 is a bit early to assume the sky is falling.