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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) Interesting Investigation into a massive Democratic fraud ring in Pennsylvania's legislature heats up as more than 100 subpoenas flutter through the air like a ticker-tape parade   (pittsburghlive.com) divider line 86
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MyRandomName 2009-07-03 04:40:33 PM  
Here's (new window) another one Dwight_Yeast

Rendell isn't as clean as you are hoping. Then again you'll probably just attack the sources of the articles.

 
GaryPDX [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 04:41:02 PM  
This is all Bush's fault, right?

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 04:42:49 PM  
albo: Dwight_Yeast: Can either of you (albo or Weaver) give be an example where Rendell has pushed a particular policy or piece of legislation solely for personal gain?

his career is solely for personal gain. mayor of philly, DNC chair, PA governor, friend of the Clintons.

he's not albert schweitzer. he's in politics. and his career is designed to make him a Democratic party power broker on the national level. i'm sure he won't be a presidential candidate, but he aspires to everything but.


Yep, there ya go.

 
Weaver95 [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 04:44:53 PM  
MyRandomName: Here's (new window) another one Dwight_Yeast

Rendell isn't as clean as you are hoping. Then again you'll probably just attack the sources of the articles.


Dwight_Yeast is a True Believer. We can pile the evidence sky high and he STILL won't admit Rendell is one of the worst things to happen to this state in decades.

Tom Ridge (for all his flaws) was a much better man for the job.

 
bradmss 2009-07-03 04:48:04 PM  
Acid_Casualty: Politicians should be able to hold office for only one year. And then they should be liquefied and fed to the incoming official intravenously.

Careful! That's kinda how Mad Cow disease gets spread...

 
mizchief 2009-07-03 04:50:26 PM  
Acid_Casualty: Politicians should be able to hold office for only one year. And then they should be liquefied and fed to the incoming official intravenously.

Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed regularly and for the same reason.

/in case you haven't heard

 
6655321 2009-07-03 04:57:04 PM  
All politicians are identical, specifically when they're swinging at the end of a rope.

 
mbpark 2009-07-03 05:02:06 PM  
Tom Ridge got things done.

Fumo was guilty as hell for years, as was his predecessor. Even people who know Fumo personally, and I know several, knew he was corrupt. Rendell isn't much better, but his wife is a federal judge, which may have something to do with the fact that he gets away with a lot more than your average politician.

PA politics is corrupt, and dominated by the D's. Fumo was probably the most powerful state senator, and the most corrupt because he sold his influence.

PA politics has brought us Dan Flood, Murtha, Kanjorski (who could potentially be as powerful as Fumo were he to take that path but will have to settle for the whole country), Rendell (who hides it well), and a bevy of others.

It's part of the culture in PA. Tom Ridge, Thornburgh, and Casey Sr. were very good governors, but the problem was always the house, even with people like Fumo masking it in order to get things done.

I expect many more incursions by law enforcement on multiple levels. However, as we know, real reform won't come until the real dirt comes out in the papers about what politicians really do with your tax dollars. Fumo at least gave something back to Philly.

 
Dwight_Yeast 2009-07-03 05:02:27 PM  
MyRandomName: Rendell isn't as clean as you are hoping. Then again you'll probably just attack the sources of the articles.

The op-ed page oft he WSJ (AKA, the Mother of All WHARRLGARRBL) and the American Spectator? I don't even need to say more!

But ignoring what the sources, there's nothing resembling factual content in either article. But don't let that stop you from tarring and feathering someone you don't like.

 
namatad [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 05:06:01 PM  
Robert1966: Even in Andrew Jackson's time it was well known as the state with the most corrupt "machine politics" government.

only cause chicago and nola were yet to come :D

 
Dwight_Yeast 2009-07-03 05:06:20 PM  
Weaver95: he's not albert schweitzer. he's in politics. and his career is designed to make him a Democratic party power broker on the national level. i'm sure he won't be a presidential candidate, but he aspires to everything but.

Yep, there ya go.


So Rendell's flaw is that he's ambitious? So is every politician.


Weaver95: Dwight_Yeast is a True Believer. We can pile the evidence sky high and he STILL won't admit Rendell is one of the worst things to happen to this state in decades.

Tom Ridge (for all his flaws) was a much better man for the job.


If you come up with evidence, I'll happily listen, but all anyone ever offers is hearsay and conjecture and the fact that you guys in the sticks don't like him cause he's not a good old boy.

It's not that I have any burning love for the man; it's just that I can't stand to see someone attacked again and again when he's not done anything wrong and his biggest crime is that his attackers don't like him.

Is that hard to understand?

 
Dr. Poison 2009-07-03 05:12:45 PM  
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Hot like having Hot Rats shoved up your nose!

 
greenapple2step 2009-07-03 05:13:57 PM  
" Do You smell that? That Smell, That sharty smell? That's the smell of Fear!"

 
Dick_Hertz 2009-07-03 05:31:05 PM  
Ashelth: Dwight_Yeast: While I think that it's a great thing that corrupt state politicians are being investigated and that some of them will actually go to jail, if you're a PA resident don't get your hopes up that this will make state politics less corrupt.

I just saw my own state senator, Vince Fumo, sent to jail (finally!) by the Feds, only to be replaced by his own hand-picked successor.

WE don't just need criminal investigations in Pa, we need real reform candidates in every county at the state level.

Or you could stop electing crooks DEMOCRATS?



-- FTFY

 
TemperedEdge 2009-07-03 05:33:10 PM  
Yay Pennsylvania! Makes me proud...

/biting sarcasm...

 
inglixthemad [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 05:40:09 PM  
Hobodeluxe: sounds like a subpoena happy defense attorney to me. attention whoring most likely. high profile case. let's make some news boys.

Possible, but if any of them are guilty, hang'em out to dry regardless of the party affiliation letter.

 
Dick_Hertz 2009-07-03 05:42:34 PM  
Wow ! I can't believe that I actually AGREE with Weaver95 !

/ Just WOW !!!

 
pipco 2009-07-03 06:19:00 PM  
I hope We get some R. Budd Dwyer action out of this.

 
Jurodan 2009-07-03 06:43:47 PM  
Find the guys who are corrupt, bring them up on charges. Regardless of party affiliation. God knows that New Jersey could use some house cleaning as well.

 
Aldo the Wonder Dog 2009-07-03 06:50:17 PM  
Subby neglected to also call out that the article is from the Richard Scaife-owned Tribune Review, not the Democratic house organ Post-Gazette as indicated.

Here is the P-G's reporting on same.

 
Jim_Callahan 2009-07-03 06:54:10 PM  
jake3988: "It's our understanding that over 100 members and staff received subpoenas," said Brett Marcy, a spokesman for House Democrats. "It is also our understanding that both Democrats and Republicans were served."
================================================

So, subby lied.

/!!!!


You, uh, realize that suphoenas go out to witnesses as well as people actually under investigation, right? The people actually being investigated are, iirc, all members of the Democratic party in the state. Which makes sense, as it's campaign-related finance fraud and campaign finance is typically party-restricted.

So the subphoenas go out to everyone remotely useful as a witness regardless of party, but the fraud ring being investigated is Democrat-specific.

Small enough words for you or should I go look for the legos?

 
Bestbank Tiger 2009-07-03 07:27:20 PM  
Aldo the Wonder Dog: Subby neglected to also call out that the article is from the Richard Scaife-owned Tribune Review, not the Democratic house organ Post-Gazette as indicated.

Here is the P-G's reporting on same.


Yep..seriously, do the mods even check the link before they greenlight?

 
jdmac 2009-07-03 07:45:33 PM  
Wait, this cannot be right, the media is only supposed to report about republican misdeeds. Really, what would Obama think of all this Democrat bashing. He won the elections so now we can only attack republicans in the media. Pointing out how democrats break the law might be considered hate speech.

Don't want to see a community review board for fark. Step lightly.

 
albo [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 07:48:43 PM  
Aldo the Wonder Dog: Subby neglected to also call out that the article is from the Richard Scaife-owned Tribune Review, not the Democratic house organ Post-Gazette as indicated.

subbys can make mistakes in attribution, especially since both major Pittsburgh papers don't have a source GIF.

But the grand jury's 75-page presentment indicting a dozen House Democrats for a massive fraud against the taxpayers is an actual fact, not a mistake, regardless of whose house organ is reporting it.
(see one of my posts above for the link)

 
OgreMagi 2009-07-03 07:56:10 PM  
I'm shocked that the newspaper actually mentioned the party affiliation in the first paragraph. Normally they only mention it for republicans. For democrats, if it's mentioned at all it is in the last paragraph.

Typical report for republicans:

Republican senator John Smith from [city], [state], rumored to have close ties to [unsavory political or criminal organization] was charged with [crime]. Conviction could mean up to ten years in prison.

Typical report for democrats:

Popular senator John Smith, well known for his tireless work with [sick children organization] has been named in connection to [crime]. The senator was asked during a [children charity] fundraiser about the report, where he denied any involvement.

 
Bestbank Tiger 2009-07-03 08:12:39 PM  
OgreMagi: I'm shocked that the newspaper actually mentioned the party affiliation in the first paragraph. Normally they only mention it for republicans. For democrats, if it's mentioned at all it is in the last paragraph.

Typical report for republicans:

Republican senator John Smith from [city], [state], rumored to have close ties to [unsavory political or criminal organization] was charged with [crime]. Conviction could mean up to ten years in prison.

Typical report for democrats:

Popular senator John Smith, well known for his tireless work with [sick children organization] has been named in connection to [crime]. The senator was asked during a [children charity] fundraiser about the report, where he denied any involvement.


[citation needed]

 
OgreMagi 2009-07-03 08:27:49 PM  
Bestbank Tiger: OgreMagi: I'm shocked that the newspaper actually mentioned the party affiliation in the first paragraph. Normally they only mention it for republicans. For democrats, if it's mentioned at all it is in the last paragraph.

Typical report for republicans:

Republican senator John Smith from [city], [state], rumored to have close ties to [unsavory political or criminal organization] was charged with [crime]. Conviction could mean up to ten years in prison.

Typical report for democrats:

Popular senator John Smith, well known for his tireless work with [sick children organization] has been named in connection to [crime]. The senator was asked during a [children charity] fundraiser about the report, where he denied any involvement.

[citation needed]


New York Times.

 
Gulper Eel [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 09:50:49 PM  
OgreMagi: New York Times.

Can't be.

A Times headline would read

Beloved Democratic Senator Indicted
Women, Minorities Hardest Hit

And it would be on page C33, underneath the rugby scores.

 
Zombalupagus 2009-07-03 10:23:04 PM  
GanjSmokr: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Article says both Democrats AND Republicans got served.

Good. They should all get served. Crooks and liars - all of them.


THIS, THIS, a million times this.


Ignoring subby's bias for the moment, I don't care which branch you're in. A little moral homelife ambiguity I can maybe tolerate, but come even close to politically suspicious behavior, fraud, etc. just do us a favor and GTFO.

My friend has a theory that if they're not doing a stand-up job just vote the incumbents out of office. Every election, every one of them. Then they might start getting the idea.

 
OgreMagi 2009-07-03 11:34:59 PM  
Gulper Eel: OgreMagi: New York Times.

Can't be.

A Times headline would read

Beloved Democratic Senator Indicted
Women, Minorities Hardest Hit

And it would be on page C33, underneath the rugby scores.


Nobody reads the rugby scores ...

Oh, I see what you did there.

 
OgreMagi 2009-07-03 11:36:51 PM  
Zombalupagus: GanjSmokr: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Article says both Democrats AND Republicans got served.

Good. They should all get served. Crooks and liars - all of them.

THIS, THIS, a million times this.

Ignoring subby's bias for the moment, I don't care which branch you're in. A little moral homelife ambiguity I can maybe tolerate, but come even close to politically suspicious behavior, fraud, etc. just do us a favor and GTFO.

My friend has a theory that if they're not doing a stand-up job just vote the incumbents out of office. Every election, every one of them. Then they might start getting the idea.


I normally do that no matter who it is. I don't want the bastards to get too comfortable.

 
aneki 2009-07-04 12:08:12 AM  
Zombalupagus: GanjSmokr: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Article says both Democrats AND Republicans got served.

Good. They should all get served. Crooks and liars - all of them.

THIS, THIS, a million times this.

Ignoring subby's bias for the moment, I don't care which branch you're in. A little moral homelife ambiguity I can maybe tolerate, but come even close to politically suspicious behavior, fraud, etc. just do us a favor and GTFO.

My friend has a theory that if they're not doing a stand-up job just vote the incumbents out of office. Every election, every one of them. Then they might start getting the idea.


That would require the roughly 70% of the voting population that votes straight ticket to stop and actually think before pulling the lever.

 
tjfly 2009-07-04 12:45:02 AM  
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Why is the truth associated with political bias?

Only on Fark!

 
walnuts55 [TotalFark] 2009-07-04 10:00:24 AM  
mizchief: walnuts55: mizchief: I'm SHOCKED! that the political party that pushes for more government control is so often involved in corruption.

Oh ya Both of them suck ass.
We need a New Party.
I propose we call it the BEER Party, We will hold the National Convention in Milwaukee every 4 years.

I agree. How about the "Better Ethics and Economics Reform Party

I currently support the Libertarian party since I agree with them on my most important issues, however they seem to lack the key balance between true Liberty and practicality.


I,m In.
How do we start!

 
natas6.0 2009-07-04 07:23:23 PM  
Aw crap, they're dems.

Nothing to see here, please move along

 
Acid_Casualty 2009-07-04 09:21:47 PM  
OgreMagi: Sounds like the Tea Party. Of course, you probably wouldn't be interested since its members are nothing but racist rednecks.

Here's a typical racist redneck teabagger:


He's not as racist redneck; he's just insane.

 
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