Watch out for the spears!!

I sent an e-mail asking them questions about facts we've brought up on this forum and they already replied to me back.

Bold is my question, italic is their response:

What do you guys hope to accomplish with this non-sense?



Have the Constitution obeyed. Let the people know that both sides have been taking unlawful liberties with our Constitution.



Even if you do manage to somehow get Obama impeached because of this Biden will take his place, not McCain and (Thank God) Palin. So no matter what we'll have a Democrat running this country regardless of where Obama was born.



Not an accurate assumption. If Obama is proven not to be a NBC then I think Biden will be pretty much alone. Pelosi will loose her power. The people will clean out Congress. There is also the fact that everything Obama signed will be null and void. No trillion dollar stimulus, no unconstitutional hate crimes, no cap and trade, all his appointments gone. There is a lot that will happen.



It is interesting that you thank God for not having Governor Sarah Palin as a potential President, so do you thank God for Obama and all the babies he is killing with your tax dollars, for betraying our allies and supporting our enemies, for destroying our country's fabric?


Also, since his mother was a US citizen, doesn't that make Obama a US citizen anyways and this whole nonsense a moot point?



His mother was a citizen yes, but that does not mean he is a citizen. If he was born in Kenya then he is not a citizen, that is the law. If he was born in Hawaii he is a born citizen according to the 14th admendment. But he will never be a natural born citizen in the eyes of our Founders.

And you said that you would get on McCain about this too if he were to run again but how come you guys didn't do so when he was running last year?



First, John McCain is a moot point. Second, if he were to run again we would protest his eligibility. At the time it was said that he was born on a military base in a military hospital. Our research now shows that this is not true. At the time of his birth, the hospital mentioned was in fact outside of the bases limits. John McCain was in fact not born within the jurisdiction of the United States. No act of Congress can change that.

Lastly, we didn't have to, we had you doing that for us.



Have a happy 4th!

Pretty much what I expected. At least they thanked a Godless liberal like me a happy 4th.

Schmea: It's early days - I hope he does well, since why would you hope otherwise?

Cheerleading for policies you disagree with (like the scamulous package, or railroading health "reform" through congress with the same methods as the scamulous package doom & gloom)... you wouldn't expect anyone to do this.

Now, there are Bushbots who said "you are either with us or against us," and of course the Obamatons would never say that... but here we are.

Obama is the President now, as you say. What he says & does is what we talk about. Philosophically, some people will say, "DON'T DO THAT!" to many of Obama's policies. Is this cheerleading for the downfall of America to disagree with Obama?

/who gives a crap if he goes to Kenya? What is Kenya going to do? Launch cruise missiles at Hawaii? If he wants to go to Kenya to do good work, fine... otherwise, a photo op like Clinton's whistlestop in Rwanda is a waste of his time & our time.

Linguine: Link (new window)

Simply upping the contrast and converting the image to Black and White reveals the date stamp on the back of this document as June 6, 2007:



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This of course can be a certified copy that was obtained while BO was campaigning for President, but it is not an original document. Further, this is not a Birth Certificate from a hospital (which must exist somewhere), but a Certificate of Live Birth (which can be generated after the fact based only on the word of a parent). This may be something, or it may be nothing, but BO has done nothing to put this issue behind him once and for all. And with the way the media willing gets on its knees and sucks his wang, the chances are good we will never know.

IamAwake: 40 watt range: Not on topic, but Which neighboring Muslim countries are you talking about? Germany? Italy? Spain? Oh right, Luxembourg...

Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt...

You need to go study a bit of post WW2 history, methinks. France was decimated during the war. The reason there are so many Muslim youth in France - the ones that have been in the riots the last few years - is because the French were unable/unwilling to rebuild their country themselves after the war. Point is, they have decades and decades of Muslim influence there now, and are still not in danger of what was suggested. Which is proof we would also not be.

First of all, I said my post wasn't germane to the topic, so no, I don't need to go study WW2 history.

You need to study geography.

The countries you listed aren't neighboring countries.

I never denied that Muslims were invited to France. Or that there is a large Muslim influence in France. I just said Just that they didn't come from neighboring countries. More likely they came from France's African long African involvements. Which pre-dates world war II.



You fail at reading my post.

Otto_E_Rodika: Linguine: Link (new window)

Simply upping the contrast and converting the image to Black and White reveals the date stamp on the back of this document as June 6, 2007:



Quickpost this image to Myspace, Digg, Facebook, and others!

This of course can be a certified copy that was obtained while BO was campaigning for President, but it is not an original document. Further, this is not a Birth Certificate from a hospital (which must exist somewhere), but a Certificate of Live Birth (which can be generated after the fact based only on the word of a parent). This may be something, or it may be nothing, but BO has done nothing to put this issue behind him once and for all. And with the way the media willing gets on its knees and sucks his wang, the chances are good we will never know.

What is it with insane Conservatives and criticizing the media and Obama supporters of sucking his ding-dong? Is it jealousy or something? But have you guys read the bottom of the document that says that "This copy serves as the prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" so what's the deal then? This is all he needed to show.

Also decimated doesn't mean what you think it means. It means, to take the tenth.

To kill one in ten men, not totally destroy a country.

jdmac: Fat and Nasty 86: His grandma said he was born in Kenya and mysteriously died less than a week before the election?

DUN DUN DUN

Actually, his paternal grandma was the one who said he was born in Kenya, his honkey grandma was the one who dies before the election.

DUN DUN DUN DUN

jdmac: acchief: IamAwake: acchief: Nobody really cared whether Clinton had a blow job while serving as president. The fact he lied about it formed the basis of the outrage.

funny, few people I know cared that he lied about it. Instead, they cared that he was a sexual predator, and getting BJs in the oval office from girls barely out of their teens.

So the impeachment ordeal we all suffered through was over a blow job afterall? Thanks for clearing up that confusion.

No, it was about lying under oath to tank a sexual harassment case brought against him by Jennifer Flowers. The perjury was the impeachable offense. The media tried to redefine the issue as simply about a BJ to try to mitigate the damage. Nice try at revisionist history though. Keep repeating a lie often enough people who do not payt attention will see it as the truth.

Nobody really cared whether Clinton had a blow job while serving as president. The fact he lied about it formed the basis of the outrage.

I can see the same happening for the O man if that Kenyan BC ever makes a public appearance. Again, nobody really and truly cares where he was born, particularly his ardent supporters. But the fact he and his campaign put a great deal of effort into persuading the majority of us to believe he was born in Hawaii, if in fact he was not, suddenly makes this renowned constitutional scholar a ... what's the word? Oh yea, a fraud.

Uh, Barack Obama was born in the States. His father was born in Kenya, and as I recall, he's now deceased.

40 watt range: The countries you listed aren't neighboring countries.

yes. They are. They aren't bordering countries, but they are neighbors.

Doc Daneeka: jdmac: No, it was about lying under oath to tank a sexual harassment case brought against him by Jennifer Flowers. The perjury was the impeachable offense. The media tried to redefine the issue as simply about a BJ to try to mitigate the damage. Nice try at revisionist history though. Keep repeating a lie often enough people who do not payt attention will see it as the truth.

"Lying under oath" and "perjury" aren't the same thing.

While Bill Clinton did lie under oath about Monica Lewinsky, it wasn't perjury.

Actually...

PERJURY - When a person, having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the U.S. authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true; 18 USC

In order for a person to be found guilty of perjury the government must prove: the person testified under oath before [e.g., the grand jury]; at least one particular statement was false; and the person knew at the time the testimony was false.

The testimony of one witness is not enough to support a finding that the testimony was false. There must be additional evidence, either the testimony of another person or other evidence, which tends to support the testimony of falsity. The other evidence, standing alone, need not convince that the testimony was false, but all the evidence on the subject must do so.

I beleive there was blue dress and some DNA in combination with the quote "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" under oath, during a trial took us right into the definition of perjury. And yes that was what Clinton got impeached for.

Let me guess, next you are going to want to discuss the meaning of the word "is"

Or maybe you will say that a BJ is not a "sexual relation"



Clinton was way worse than Nixon when it comes to honesty, attacking enemies and coverups- but he was the right party so I guess none of that counts right?

jdmac: PERJURY - When a person, having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the U.S. authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration, deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true; 18 USC

Key word bolded there.

To elaborate: Perjury, also known as forswearing, is the willful act of swearing a false oath or affirmation to tell the truth, whether spoken or in writing, concerning matters material to a judicial proceeding.[1] That is, the matter lied about would affect the outcome of the case. It is not considered perjury, for example, to lie about one's age, unless that person's age is a key factor in proving the case, such as eligibility for old age retirement benefits.

The questions about Monica Lewinsky were not at all material to the investigation.

The Office of the Independent Counsel was empowered to investigate Whitewater. Kenneth Starr went far afield and beyond his mandate in investigating Paula Jones and Lewinsky and other things that were not at all material to the Whitewater investigation. It was a free-floating witchhunt looking for something to investigate.

Mrtraveler01: Otto_E_Rodika: Linguine: Link (new window)

Simply upping the contrast and converting the image to Black and White reveals the date stamp on the back of this document as June 6, 2007:



Quickpost this image to Myspace, Digg, Facebook, and others!

This of course can be a certified copy that was obtained while BO was campaigning for President, but it is not an original document. Further, this is not a Birth Certificate from a hospital (which must exist somewhere), but a Certificate of Live Birth (which can be generated after the fact based only on the word of a parent). This may be something, or it may be nothing, but BO has done nothing to put this issue behind him once and for all. And with the way the media willing gets on its knees and sucks his wang, the chances are good we will never know.

What is it with insane Conservatives and criticizing the media and Obama supporters of sucking his ding-dong? Is it jealousy or something? But have you guys read the bottom of the document that says that "This copy serves as the prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" so what's the deal then? This is all he needed to show.

Prima facie means at first glance. Should other evidence surface disputing the accuracy of the prima facie evidence, then it's no longer valid as evidence.

Came for "The Negro Community Frowns Upon Your Shenanigans".

Left disappointed.

Mrtraveler01: Otto_E_Rodika: Linguine: Link (new window)

Simply upping the contrast and converting the image to Black and White reveals the date stamp on the back of this document as June 6, 2007:



Quickpost this image to Myspace, Digg, Facebook, and others!

This of course can be a certified copy that was obtained while BO was campaigning for President, but it is not an original document. Further, this is not a Birth Certificate from a hospital (which must exist somewhere), but a Certificate of Live Birth (which can be generated after the fact based only on the word of a parent). This may be something, or it may be nothing, but BO has done nothing to put this issue behind him once and for all. And with the way the media willing gets on its knees and sucks his wang, the chances are good we will never know.

What is it with insane Conservatives and criticizing the media and Obama supporters of sucking his ding-dong? Is it jealousy or something? But have you guys read the bottom of the document that says that "This copy serves as the prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding" so what's the deal then? This is all he needed to show.


prima facie -noun
1. at first appearance; at first view, before investigation.
2. plain or clear; self-evident; obvious.
Origin:
1425-75; late ME Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.
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pri·ma fa·cie (prī'mə fā'shē -shə, -shē-ē)
adv. At first sight; before closer inspection: They had, prima facie, a legitimate complaint.
adj.

1. True, authentic, or adequate at first sight; ostensible: prima facie credibility.
2. Evident without proof or reasoning; obvious: a prima facie violation of the treaty.

acchief:

prima facie -noun
1. at first appearance; at first view, before investigation.
2. plain or clear; self-evident; obvious.
Origin:
1425-75; late ME Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.
|
pri·ma fa·cie (prī'mə fā'shē -shə, -shē-ē)
adv. At first sight; before closer inspection: They had, prima facie, a legitimate complaint.
adj.

1. True, authentic, or adequate at first sight; ostensible: prima facie credibility.
2. Evident without proof or reasoning; obvious: a prima facie violation of the treaty.

The key words from that definition being "self-evident" and "obvious."

Prima facie evidence is evidence that is sufficient on its own, without the need for additional evidence, to establish some proposition. Unless it is specifically refuted by other evidence. And as far as I know, there is no credible evidence that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

Nods approvingly. . . .



From the low-rent section of downtown hell.

Doc Daneeka: acchief:

prima facie -noun
1. at first appearance; at first view, before investigation.
2. plain or clear; self-evident; obvious.
Origin:
1425-75; late ME Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2009.
|
pri·ma fa·cie (prī'mə fā'shē -shə, -shē-ē)
adv. At first sight; before closer inspection: They had, prima facie, a legitimate complaint.
adj.

1. True, authentic, or adequate at first sight; ostensible: prima facie credibility.
2. Evident without proof or reasoning; obvious: a prima facie violation of the treaty.

The key words from that definition being "self-evident" and "obvious."

Prima facie evidence is evidence that is sufficient on its own, without the need for additional evidence, to establish some proposition. Unless it is specifically refuted by other evidence. And as far as I know, there is no credible evidence that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

It's funny how the Birthers don't believe the validity of the COLB or the statements of Hawaii's Republican governor, but they believe that someone on eBay has the actual document, and THAT is irrefutable proof.

jdmac: I beleive there was blue dress and some DNA in combination with the quote "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" under oath, during a trial took us right into the definition of perjury. And yes that was what Clinton got impeached for.

You do realize that Clinton was specifically acquitted (among other things) on the charge of perjury, right?

That because he's terrified someone will bring forth his birth certificate or other documentation proving he's not an American citizen.

Random point of noticing: Not that it matters all that much, but why do Hawai'ians put their island of birth on the birth certificate? I mean, other than the one with Molokai, they're all one island/one county, give or take....

I *wish* Obama's birth certificate was fake. Imagine the shiat storm that would cause?

clifton: I *wish* Obama's birth certificate was fake. Imagine the shiat storm that would cause?

Nah, the funny part is going to be sometime in 2011-ish when the dollar is so inflated as to be toilet paper and the DNC "discovers" that there may be some truth to this after all, and if only they had known they could have avoided all of the spending that he "tricked" them into. The spending that will ensure that American's exist in perpetual debt slavery to the private corporation known as the Federal Reserve. Barack Obama exists to be the fall guy for the financial oligarchy.

To steal an analogy, he's like the manager at Burger King - when something is wrong with your order you first complain to the cashier, then make it all the way up to the guy wearing a tie that has no real authority, but whose entire job is to be biatched at so that the franchise owner doesn't have to listen to it.

The central banksters/globalists that opened the doors for him won't hesitate to burn him if they think it will divert attention from them.

tony41454: That because he's terrified someone will bring forth his birth certificate or other documentation proving he's not an American citizen.

Hunter_S_Thompson: tony41454: That because he's terrified someone will bring forth his birth certificate or other documentation proving he's not an American citizen.

I meant:

Hunter_S_Thompson: Hunter_S_Thompson: tony41454: That because he's terrified someone will bring forth his birth certificate or other documentation proving he's not an American citizen.

I meant:

Since it won't farking POST! I'll just say it:

Oh, fark, Not this shiat again.

40 watt range: John McCain was born in Panama. Would we have birthers if he were elected?

I think not.

birthers are racists.

/McCain was born on a US military base.... race card huh? is that the best you got? If so.. you can do better than that tired slur....

I believe he possibly was born in Hawaii. However, I believe there are residency requirements for the birth mother even if she is a US citizen.

Something like if they are under 19 years of age that they have to spend a certain amount of their life in the US before their offspring can be considered natural citizens.

I didn't have time to look up the details related to this again, but saw that nothing along these lines had been mentioned in these comments and wanted to get the idea out there.

How could Barack Obama visit the United States while in Africa?

And why would Kenyans care?

Cat Food Sandwiches: Hoopido: So he's not even going to stop and visit his brother in his dirt floor shack.

Has his hut been upgraded to a shack?

I was unaware his cardboard box had been replaced with a hut.

This shiat has been getting old for quite a while now.

Now now...questiong our leader will get me called a racist

so I'll roll the die for a defence...

and make the claim, "I have black friends"

ah, whew!
that was a close one

IamAwake: the whole "natural born citizen" thing is only there so that the newly formed United States, back in the late 18th century, wouldn't be taken over by British nobility via elections (sortof an anti-democratic measure, don't ya think?). It is so completely far from relevant in the year 2009 that I sincerely wonder WHY THE FARK PEOPLE THINK IT MATTERS WHERE HE WAS BORN.

//caps make it more true, and make me more cool

So.... what you're saying is, by completely mishandling McCain's campaign, the right-wingers deliberately threw the election so they could get Obama elected so they could resolve this little "citizenship" issue and pave the way for a Schwarzenegger Presidency?

Demolition Man. It comes to pass.

zabadu: You realize that by posting the way you do, you come off as a racist republitard. I hope the secret service visit you.

Way to be a democrap. Call the thought police, someone isn't goosestepping like you do.

jdmac: his honkey grandmafark you racist. Mods need to start banning this shiat.