IamAwake
the whole "natural born citizen" thing is only there so that the newly formed United States, back in the late 18th century, wouldn't be taken over by British nobility via elections (sortof an anti-democratic measure, don't ya think?). It is so completely far from relevant in the year 2009 that I sincerely wonder WHY THE FARK PEOPLE THINK IT MATTERS WHERE HE WAS BORN.

Because it is in the constitution?

brigid_fitch: Just for the hell of it, I've been arguing w/some Birthers over on the YouTube comments. My God, there's some grade-A stupid on there. They're worse than the Truthers.

I know arguing w/them is pointless, but it's an amusing time-waster.

No, no...you want to see real stupid Birthers - go to last nights Fark thread...Link

CapStormfield: Doc Daneeka: The damage the do is to their own credibility.

God, I love watching the lefties dance!

Me too! Gregory Hines and Twyla Tharp are particularly good!
Or was that what you meant?

jungus:

Because it is in the constitution?

True 'nuff, but so is something or other about quartering troops in your house and I think his point was they're both equally relevant in the 21st century.

Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.

Don't these idiots know that Obama's birth certificate and the hospital records are Classified Top Secret National Security documents. You can't go around showing your birth certificate to people as proof of birth. What a bunch of morans!

jungus: IamAwake
the whole "natural born citizen" thing is only there so that the newly formed United States, back in the late 18th century, wouldn't be taken over by British nobility via elections (sortof an anti-democratic measure, don't ya think?). It is so completely far from relevant in the year 2009 that I sincerely wonder WHY THE FARK PEOPLE THINK IT MATTERS WHERE HE WAS BORN.

Because it is in the constitution?

But I thought that the Constitution was only a goddamn piece of paper. Was Saint George lying about that? Surely not!

Con_Authority: SNOPES Article

Link (Snopes Link)


/hot or not?

badhatharry: Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.

Don't these idiots know that Obama's birth certificate and the hospital records are Classified Top Secret National Security documents. You can't go around showing your birth certificate to people as proof of birth. What a bunch of morans!

Please see BadHatHarry's comments in the aforementioned link. The man is a turd stirrer.

Richard Pye: From the article -

"If Obama decides to grace Nigeria with his presence, I will stone him," Nigerian Nobel prize-winning writer Wole Soyinka was quoted by Nigerian newspapers as saying.

Niger please.

Yes please.... he gets stoned all by himself

jungus: IamAwake
the whole "natural born citizen" thing is only there so that the newly formed United States, back in the late 18th century, wouldn't be taken over by British nobility via elections (sortof an anti-democratic measure, don't ya think?). It is so completely far from relevant in the year 2009 that I sincerely wonder WHY THE FARK PEOPLE THINK IT MATTERS WHERE HE WAS BORN.

Because it is in the constitution?

The Constitution never clarifies what a "Natural Born Citizen" is. I was born overseas to parents who were American citizens. I was born with US citizenship still. I am eligible to be president. Even if Obama was born in Kenya (which he was not) he would be eligible to be president because his mom was a citizen.

jso2897: But I thought that the Constitution was only a goddamn piece of paper. Was Saint George lying about that? Surely not!

Saint George never said it.

zabadu: badhatharry: Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.

Don't these idiots know that Obama's birth certificate and the hospital records are Classified Top Secret National Security documents. You can't go around showing your birth certificate to people as proof of birth. What a bunch of morans!

Please see BadHatHarry's comments in the aforementioned link. The man is a turd stirrer.

I have switched my position. I have since learned that birth records in Hawaii are stored in a room much like the one in Mission Impossible. Only high clearance people are allowed to look at them. And there is absolutely no photocopying of such records. Much less disseminating them.

jungus: IamAwake
the whole "natural born citizen" thing is only there so that the newly formed United States, back in the late 18th century, wouldn't be taken over by British nobility via elections (sortof an anti-democratic measure, don't ya think?). It is so completely far from relevant in the year 2009 that I sincerely wonder WHY THE FARK PEOPLE THINK IT MATTERS WHERE HE WAS BORN.

Because it is in the constitution?

Not is says natural born citizen or a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was ratified. Obama could of been born on Mars and still could be considered a natural born citizen.

Um, he was born in Hawaii.

badhatharry: Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.

Don't these idiots know that Obama's birth certificate and the hospital records are Classified Top Secret National Security documents. You can't go around showing your birth certificate to people as proof of birth. What a bunch of morans!

Now, dammit, that's Classified Top Secret MUSLIM National Security Documents. Get your Freeper Nomenclature(tm) straight, moran!

badhatharry: I have switched my position. I have since learned that birth records in Hawaii are stored in a room much like the one in Mission Impossible. Only high clearance people are allowed to look at them. And there is absolutely no photocopying of such records. Much less disseminating them.

With a sign that says "Beware of the Leopard"

badhatharry: zabadu: badhatharry: Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.

Don't these idiots know that Obama's birth certificate and the hospital records are Classified Top Secret National Security documents. You can't go around showing your birth certificate to people as proof of birth. What a bunch of morans!

Please see BadHatHarry's comments in the aforementioned link. The man is a turd stirrer.

I have switched my position. I have since learned that birth records in Hawaii are stored in a room much like the one in Mission Impossible. Only high clearance people are allowed to look at them. And there is absolutely no photocopying of such records. Much less disseminating them.

badhatharry: Sabyen91: badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

For me, it is not about his citizenship. It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original. If that was ever explained to people clearly, my statements on this thread would not seem so unusual.

Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.



... Wah... what?

zabadu: badhatharry: zabadu: badhatharry: Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.

Don't these idiots know that Obama's birth certificate and the hospital records are Classified Top Secret National Security documents. You can't go around showing your birth certificate to people as proof of birth. What a bunch of morans!

Please see BadHatHarry's comments in the aforementioned link. The man is a turd stirrer.

I have switched my position. I have since learned that birth records in Hawaii are stored in a room much like the one in Mission Impossible. Only high clearance people are allowed to look at them. And there is absolutely no photocopying of such records. Much less disseminating them.

badhatharry: Sabyen91: badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

For me, it is not about his citizenship. It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original. If that was ever explained to people clearly, my statements on this thread would not seem so unusual.

The released copy is the original. A "Certificate of Live Birth" is a Hawaiian version of a birth certificate.

John McCain was born in Panama. Would we have birthers if he were elected?

I think not.

birthers are racists.

zabadu: ...It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original...

I've seen a fair number of presidents in my time, and I can't recall this ever being an issue in the past. Thus, perhaps unfairly, it's seen as being a political stunt.

40 watt range: John McCain was born in Panama. Would we have birthers if he were elected?

I think not.

birthers are racists.

I agree. They are also mentally ill.

SomeoneDumb: zabadu: ...It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original...

I've seen a fair number of presidents in my time, and I can't recall this ever being an issue in the past. Thus, perhaps unfairly, it's seen as being a political stunt.

Please note, I did not say that, badhatharry did.

40 watt range:
birthers are racists.

Keep smoking 'em.

// Now go get your shine box!

darrent83: "If Obama decides to grace Nigeria with his presence, I will stone him," Nigerian Nobel prize-winning writer Wole Soyinka was quoted by Nigerian newspapers as saying.

They'll stone you when you're trying to be so good
They'll stone you just like they said they would
They'll stone you when you're trying to go home
They'll stone you when you're there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

They'll stone you when you're walking on the street
They'll stone you when you're trying to keep your seat
They'll stone you when your walking on the floor
They'll stone you when your walking to the door
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

They'll stone you when you're at the breakfast table
They'll stone you when you are young and able
They'll stone you when you're trying to make a buck
They'll stone you and then they'll say good luck
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

Well They'll stone you and say that it's the end
They'll stone you and then they'll come back again
They'll stone you when you're riding in your car
They'll stone you when you're playing you guitar
Yes But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned
Alright

Well They'll stone you when you are all alone
They'll stone you when you are walking home
They'll stone you and then say they're all brave
They'll stone you when you're send down in your grave
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned

No. It's "sit down in your fave."

zabadu: badhatharry: zabadu: badhatharry: Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.

Don't these idiots know that Obama's birth certificate and the hospital records are Classified Top Secret National Security documents. You can't go around showing your birth certificate to people as proof of birth. What a bunch of morans!

Please see BadHatHarry's comments in the aforementioned link. The man is a turd stirrer.

I have switched my position. I have since learned that birth records in Hawaii are stored in a room much like the one in Mission Impossible. Only high clearance people are allowed to look at them. And there is absolutely no photocopying of such records. Much less disseminating them.

badhatharry: Sabyen91: badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

For me, it is not about his citizenship. It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original. If that was ever explained to people clearly, my statements on this thread would not seem so unusual.

The media avoids reporting a lot of things. Why, just last week, they avoided reporting on the fact that I had a large, annoying pimple on my ass. Why?
Because NOBODY FARKING CARES!!!

zabadu:

Please note, I did not say that, badhatharry did.

My apologies. I should learn how to use the delete key more effectively.

jso2897: zabadu: badhatharry: zabadu: badhatharry: Doctor Funkenstein: Behold! The Birthers website! (new window)

Please check your sanity at the door.

Don't these idiots know that Obama's birth certificate and the hospital records are Classified Top Secret National Security documents. You can't go around showing your birth certificate to people as proof of birth. What a bunch of morans!

Please see BadHatHarry's comments in the aforementioned link. The man is a turd stirrer.

I have switched my position. I have since learned that birth records in Hawaii are stored in a room much like the one in Mission Impossible. Only high clearance people are allowed to look at them. And there is absolutely no photocopying of such records. Much less disseminating them.

badhatharry: Sabyen91: badhatharry: Lagrange: badhatharry:
I don't care if he releases it or not. I do care about the truth. I think this has become an issue because of his name and Kenyan heritage more than the color of his skin. If he was born in Chicago to two black Americans, nobody would care.

Bullshiat.

Of course you care, or you wouldn't be bothering.

I am just fascinated that so many people think I am a lunatic for pointing out the simplest fact. It is like everybody is farking brainwashed. Sitting here stating the obvious, I am probably the one being trolled.

You are making a pointless point. You admit he has proven he is a citizen and then say people are afraid to talk about it. Anybody not on his ignore list want to make that point?

For me, it is not about his citizenship. It is about the media avoiding the fact that he has not released the original. If that was ever explained to people clearly, my statements on this thread would not seem so unusual.

The media avoids reporting a lot of things. Why, just last week, they avoided reporting on the fact that I had a large, annoying pimple on my ass. Why?
Because NOBODY FARKING CARES!!!

Look, we just want to know why you haven't released the doctor's records showing you had a pimple. I got an email that said that it wasn't a pimple, but rather a secrit muslin growth tumor. If you just release the doctor's records, you can clear this right up.

All he asked was why people cared, I never said Obama didn't fit the bill.
This thing came up when Schwarzenegger first became governator and Republicans where talking about passing an amendment to allow him for the presidency. The time may well be here to amend that but we can't do it for just one person in mind (Ahnold).
As for quartering troops in homes, I still want that one in, what the hell is wrong with you?

And to W calling it just a piece of paper, really, please provide a link and it better not be him telling a joke. W actually did pretty good outside of a massive number of signing statements. Or did I miss the muslem concentration camps all over the country. Guantanimo does not count, but if it did, it was an attempt to find a legal procedure for enemies acting (enemies acting, not US acting) outside of the Geneva conventions.

So no, I do not see the executive branch wiping its ass with the constitution. Now the legislature and ethics laws on the other hand...

Best post from the last thread:

Thai Mai Xhu: I don't believe I've seen so much stupid in one place before.
Every time I think of Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi as president I pray for Mr. Obama's health.
When the birthers ask to see the "long version" of Mr. Obama's "vault copy" of his birth certificate, they are not requesting to see the certificate of live birth, which is a completely different document.
The vault copy of the birth certificate is signed by the doctor who delivered the baby, it is witnessed by the head nurse in attendance, it bears the childs footprints, it is notorised it notes the name of the parents, the race of the infant, it's weight, and length.
It is not illegal for the named individual to publish the certified copies of this form.
Any citizen of the United States is by definition an "interested person".
A number of stories on Rense.com name many lawsuits filed in the interest of discovery of the true details and location of Mr. Obama's birth.
At this point I seriously doubt our country could be strengthened by proving Mr. Obama was born in Kenya.
When the anti-birthers attack birthers personally they expose a critical weakness in thier argument, the same weakness is shown when only partial information concerning rules and regulations are posted.
I take no position on this issue. I fully support our president though I did not vote for him. As an American I feel I have a duty to encourage our president in his efforts to bail out, and right the ship of state.
As some may remember, there was outright looting of the wealth of our country as the last administration prepared to leave office.
I am concerned that certain investigations have not been launched.
I believe Mr. Obama is doing his level best to stop this country's headlong rush toward the road to ruin.
We are fortunate that we still have the freedom to question our public servants, but there is a time and place for all things, and now is no time to detract and distract the current administration's attention.
And this is certainly not the place.
Fark is a community of kindred spirits, I'd like to think we are for the most part friends.
Please shake hands and drop the B.S.. There are plenty of political sites where hatred is the order of the day, let's keep it light here ok?
So my fellow Farkers, have a brew, toke a few, and let the good times roll.
IE: Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

earlier this year, they criticized Obama for not visiting the cemetery in Normandy. When he DID visit it in June, there were some who criticized him for preventing war vets without a ticket from entering on the days he was there.

/you can't win if you're a famous public figure, especially a politician.

jungus: Because it is in the constitution?

I already explained why it was put in the Constitution, and why that is no longer relevant. So, if you're going to not troll, you should either prove that isn't why it was put there, or why it is still relevant. That it is there is not in dispute, even if the meaning of the phrase is. Were it to actually reach a federal court, I think any sane judge would rule many different conditions qualify one for "natural born citizen" you elitist fark that thinks the value of a human is determined by where their mother happened to be when she was giving birth.

False - "certificate of live birth" is not the Hawaiian version of a birth certificate.

That's part of the controversy - he hasn't released his actual birth certificate, and now, it is possible for immigrants and children born in other countries to obtain 'certificates of live birth' in Hawai'i (though it wasn't in the '60s).

//not taking sides - just clarifying.

It's seems like he has something to hide.

My father keeps sending me WND emails about how the evil liberal ebay has been taking down auctions of Obama's "real" Kenyan birth certificate, and not because selling documents violates their rules. It's because the founder works for Obama. The crazy is out of control. Time to put dad in a home.

Every president will be criticized constantly for something. It comes with the job.

And yes, even McCain was getting questions about his birth in Panama during the election. It wouldn't be the same people, but there would have been birthers for him as well.

The more I read threads on this tab, the more I see how politics eats away at the soul.

/How could Obama be born during his trip to Africa?

Link (new window)

jungus: The time may well be here to amend that but we can't do it for just one person in mind (Ahnold).

I disagree... This is still relevant to the fact that there are other foreign nationals that don't have the best interest of America at heart.

Here's an abstract example:

Say they allow anyone to run for president of the U.S. what's to stop Vicente Fox from calling on all Hispanics / Latinos / Mexicans / whatever you call them... to write him in on the ballot?

then we have some problems.

Animatronik: earlier this year, they criticized Obama for not visiting the cemetery in Normandy. When he DID visit it in June, there were some who criticized him for preventing war vets without a ticket from entering on the days he was there.

/you can't win if you're a famous public figure, especially a politician.

It's manufactured criticism, to manufacture outrage. To me, it's one of the worst things about our political culture: everything the other guy does is painted in a bad light, in the hopes that you shine brighter in comparison. There's no rush to be a better politician, just a rush to point out the failings of your opponents. That's one of the reasons why I DO like Obama. I raise my eyebrows at some of his policies, I definitely wasn't a fan of the GM bailout for example, but I look at him as one of the few politicians who is inviting us to judge him by his actions and positions, while the rest of government is focused on outrage and negativity to garner votes.

badhatharry: Best post from the last thread:

Thai Mai Xhu: So my fellow Farkers, have a brew, toke a few, and let the good times roll.
IE: Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

Always good advice.

shirtsbyeric: It's seems like he has something to hide.

By not acknowledging (and giving credibility to) a bunch of conspiracy theorist nutters?

Clinton simply dismissed the Vince Foster murder conspiracy theories, as did George Bush with the Truthers. And both were right to do so. These sorts of nuts are going to come out during every presidency, and to give them any more than a flat dismissal followed by ignoring them, is a mistake.

Nothing that Obama says and no "proof" that he could produce would satisfy them. Conspiracy theorists aren't stopped by little obstacles like proof or contrary evidence. Any contrary evidence is suspect as counterfeit or forged, and evidence of an even greater cover-up.

I bought Obama's "certified Kenya birth certificate" on eBay, so I'm getting a big kick . . .

Link (new window)

i love how some of these "birther" people assume that any asshole can call up a random hospital and get a complete stranger's private medical records, including their birth certificate. it doesn't matter if he's the president or a homeless guy. hospitals do not give out that sort of information. you know, cause that would be illegal.

crying about obama's birth certificate is the very last, most fringe scrap of complaint people have against his election. when all else fails, when there's no hanging chads to count, when no one buys the acorn nonsense, when everyone with a brain accepts that obama is now the president, these birther people bring out the most ridiculous argument they can think of that has even the tiniest shred of believability. nothing else worked in getting mccain elected, so now they try to claim that obama can't be president because he's not a natural born citizen!

well guess what? by their own logic, neither is john mccain. he was born in panama, remember?

IamAwake
I suppose that free speech thing that is little too outdated as well. Look, it is a law, and there are many laws that we may not agree with. If what I wrote (I thought it was a not so clever joke) caused you to cry and call me an elitist troll, then ok. Queue picture for elitist troll is elite.

IamAwake: the whole "natural born citizen" thing is only there so that the newly formed United States, back in the late 18th century, wouldn't be taken over by British nobility via elections (sortof an anti-democratic measure, don't ya think?). It is so completely far from relevant in the year 2009 that I sincerely wonder WHY THE FARK PEOPLE THINK IT MATTERS WHERE HE WAS BORN.

//caps make it more true, and make me more cool

No kidding. The Constitution has the built in future-proof measure to fix problems via ammendments and its more than time to change that part. Much as how religious converts are the most zealous, the most "American" people I've known were immigrants. They're here by choice, they have a benefit of experience and outsiders' perspectives, they'd probably make better presidents.

A long time ago,before computers and when kids graduated after the eighth grade,a president could of easily produced a fake birth certificate and most people would of bought it.

Pictured below is B. Hussein Obama acting concerned with his grandmother, sister (Auma Obama) and other family members and various Kenyan people used as props.




(Editors' Note: This is no way implies that B. Hussein Obama has any ' birth linkage' to Kenya. To imply such would obviously be racist. In fact, displaying a photo of negroes is racist as well, when not properly done by a leftist website or print publication. Being that this is Fark.com, it is our sincere hope that this photograph of B. Hussein Obama's extended Kenyan family & friends will in no way be interpreted as a gratuitous display of negro faces in the Internet.)

/BTW, think he'll visit his brother's tin shack in South Africa?

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Much as how religious converts are the most zealous, the most "American" people I've known were immigrants. They're here by choice, they have a benefit of experience and outsiders' perspectives, they'd probably make better presidents.

But but but but... the white establishment aren't immigrants!

Waaaaaarrrrrghhhhbbl.

Gato Negro: Pictured below is B. Hussein Obama acting concerned with his grandmother, sister (Auma Obama) and other family members and various Kenyan people used as props.

(Editors' Note: This is no way implies that B. Hussein Obama has any ' birth linkage' to Kenya. To imply such would obviously be racist. In fact, displaying a photo of negroes is racist as well, when not properly done by a leftist website or print publication. Being that this is Fark.com, it is our sincere hope that this photograph of B. Hussein Obama's extended Kenyan family & friends will in no way be interpreted as a gratuitous display of negro faces in the Internet.)

/BTW, think he'll visit his brother's tin shack in South Africa?

LOL! B. Hussein Obama! Wow, that's so original! I would have NEVER suspected his middle name was Hussein!! Wow! Thanks for that information!

You realize that by posting the way you do, you come off as a racist republitard. I hope the secret service visit you.