No. It is obvious the guest columnist is overpaid though.

Well, that was a nice, rational, logical discussion of current events. Or not.

Nope. But keep masturbating. It's therapeutic.

I voted for McCain and even I thought that article was stupid.

If only we had listened!

JerseyTim: If only we had listened!

They really manage to capture the Fark experience with that strip.

I'm just going to go ahead and assume that every right-wingGARBL headline is Pokemon links from now on. It's better for my blood pressure.

yogaFLAME: I'm just going to go ahead and assume that every right-wingGARBL headline is Pokemon links from now on. It's better for my blood pressure.

Can I trade you my Venusaur for your Mew?

Not America; stupid ignorant hicks that bemoan anything and anyone that isn't approved from the text of a book that has been translated over and over again to the point where it doesn't even say what it did originally.

People who think that having more flag stickers on their pick-up/car/minivan make them more patriotic. People who believe they can classify an entire swath of people as ignorant and dangerous based on the actions of only a few. People who think we should carpet bomb Iraq because they were not grateful enough for our invasion.

That's who he hates. That's who I hate. You farking people do not get to decide what America stands for.

America has rejected you. Enjoy screaming at the wind.

Waow. I'se more dumberer for reedin taht.

Sorry Dougy, the era of dirt cheap energy is in the past. Of course you could try to offer viable options and better policy.... I'll wait.

Mordant: They really manage to capture the Fark experience with that strip.

We think Tom's a farker. He even used "Get a brain Morans" guy in a strip a couple of months ago.

Let me guess: biatching about Obama's "socialist level" taxes that are lower than Reagan's tax rates.

biatching about "anti-American" Rev. Wright, while ignoring the GOP's heroes, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Ted Hagee. Who when they're not yellilng that God punished American with 9/11 and Katrina, they're calling for a nuclear attack on Washington, DC.

The anti-Obama crowd needs a new schtick. They Jumped the Mustard too early, and are now just boring noise.

At this point any conservative commentator who isn't actively praying for a terrorist attack and the deaths of Americans as a means to effect political change they were unable to achieve at the ballot box is probably being called a CommunoSocialMarxusexualist pussy by his peers.

I find it amusing that subby set the Political Inclination Thermometric Analyzer to "Neutral".

Kinda defeats the whole purpose of it.

The whole purpose of the PITA was to give DrewCo an argument to cite when they got accused by left and right alike that "Fark was biased."

Sgt Otter: Let me guess: biatching about Obama's "socialist level" taxes that are lower than Reagan's tax rates.

biatching about "anti-American" Rev. Wright, while ignoring the GOP's heroes, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Ted Hagee. Who when they're not yellilng that God punished American with 9/11 and Katrina, they're calling for a nuclear attack on Washington, DC.

Relax. It doesn't matter what he says. He could cut the deficit in in his first term and they would say he did it too quickly and hurt business. We could see new energy technologies that make huge dents in our reliance on oil because of cap and trade and they'll say we lost traditional jobs of real Americans to new, untested technologies.

An interesting line of thinking. I would suggest that Jesus returning will be met with scorn by the fundie believers as well. "The trumpet was loud, but was that really a trumpet? We at FOX news want to know."

I think Obama is the real deal and I think he legitimately wants to fix things. What I don't know yet is whether he can. I would much rather he be given the chance though than President McCain or, god help us, President Palin.

Mentat: I think Obama is the real deal and I think he legitimately wants to fix things. What I don't know yet is whether he can. I would much rather he be given the chance though than President McCain or, god help us, President Palin.

But how can you believe that the Republicans don't have the best ideas for America ? They just came off an 8 year run and look at all we have to show for it.

Mordant: Mentat: I think Obama is the real deal and I think he legitimately wants to fix things. What I don't know yet is whether he can. I would much rather he be given the chance though than President McCain or, god help us, President Palin.

But how can you believe that the Republicans don't have the best ideas for America ? They just came off an 8 year run and look at all we have to show for it.

no no no, that was the old "george w. bush" republicans. today's republicans are the party of ideas: gingrich, limbaugh, mccain. you can't saddle them with the failures of previous renegade republicans.

Forget about the last half of the column.

My plan makes electricity rates skyrocket


He is correct about what Obama said and about what the cap and trade will do to electricity rates. Fortunately, most of us are off the grid, so a $700 or so increase in our annual electicity bills won't affect us anyway, other than helping to clear our skies.

I have a hard time believing that once it is implemented there won't be a massive negative reaction when increased rates kick in.

Nope. Sorry, I can think for myself, I don't have to get ideas from you Column Writer on what's bad for America.

vartian People who think that having more flag stickers on their pick-up/car/minivan make them more patriotic.



And yer flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore
It's already overcrowded from your dirty little war;
now Jesus don't like killing no matter what the reason for
and yer flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore.

-john prine 1971

More proof as to why why Michigan is a complete disaster.
Keep it up, you'll do well.
/smirk

Rather than the Founders of this country, Barack Obama's heroes have always been terrorists, felons and anarchists.

I'm sure the British officials at the time considered our Founding Fathers to be terrorists, felons and anarchists. So perhaps that was not the best way to go.

Instead of being all whiny about being rejected by the electorate, the Republicans need to specifically say what they feel is wrong with Obama's plans and - this is the important bit - they need to come with viable alternative plans of their own.

Sitting around biatching about things won't get them back into office. Fixing things will.

Obama does not hate America. He has been duped by the people who told him that AGW is real. The people who hate American industry are the real problem.

Republicans don't fix
they break and biatch.

I'm going to have to say, "No", Doug.

But it is pretty obvious to me that you're an idiot...

notmtwain: Forget about the last half of the column.

My plan makes electricity rates skyrocket


He is correct about what Obama said and about what the cap and trade will do to electricity rates. Fortunately, most of us are off the grid, so a $700 or so increase in our annual electicity bills won't affect us anyway, other than helping to clear our skies.

I have a hard time believing that once it is implemented there won't be a massive negative reaction when increased rates kick in.

Of course energy costs would rise. As they rightfully should. That's merely reflecting the actual cost of production (including environmental cost) into the cost of the product. It essentially removes the subsidization of energy by the public, who end up footing the environmental costs.

Isn't that precisely what free marketeers should want? Why all the biatching? Why do conservatives feel entitled to a free ride on energy? Are they really sekrit Socialists?

notmtwain: Forget about the last half of the column.

My plan makes electricity rates skyrocket


He is correct about what Obama said and about what the cap and trade will do to electricity rates. Fortunately, most of us are off the grid, so a $700 or so increase in our annual electicity bills won't affect us anyway, other than helping to clear our skies.

I have a hard time believing that once it is implemented there won't be a massive negative reaction when increased rates kick in.

But I heard 90% on the radio! What to believe?!

Weaver95: Rather than the Founders of this country, Barack Obama's heroes have always been terrorists, felons and anarchists.

I'm sure the British officials at the time considered our Founding Fathers to be terrorists, felons and anarchists. So perhaps that was not the best way to go.

Instead of being all whiny about being rejected by the electorate, the Republicans need to specifically say what they feel is wrong with Obama's plans and - this is the important bit - they need to come with viable alternative plans of their own.

Sitting around biatching about things won't get them back into office. Fixing things will.

You're seriously going to have to give them a plan B, because there's no way in hell they are going to wake up and start doing anything sensible.

Sgt Otter: Let me guess: biatching about Obama's "socialist level" taxes that are lower than Reagan's tax rates.

Whenever I hear "largest tax increase in history!", my first thought is "AGAIN!?!?".

I have lost count of how many "largest tax hike ever!" claims I have heard. Meanwhile, my taxes keep getting lower.

Oh, be quiet.

Stop annoying people.

So, the author of that screed regular writes for GOPUSA does he?


Well, you know who is probably the most famous writer employed by GOPUSA? (Well, at least formerly employed by GOPUSA)

"We're doomed!"

/not obscure

Mordant: You're seriously going to have to give them a plan B, because there's no way in hell they are going to wake up and start doing anything sensible.

They already KNOW what they have to do - ditch Limbaugh, cut spending, cut taxes, repeal the Patriot Act, and biatch slap most of wall street (and stop giving them money).

It's not that he hates America, he just loves most other countries a lot more. That's why he wants to bring America down to their level.

Mentat: I think Obama is the real deal and I think he legitimately wants to fix things. What I don't know yet is whether he can. I would much rather he be given the chance though than President McCain or, god help us, President Palin.

Nonsense, that whole "war with Russia" thing would have solved most of our problems... in that most problems become meaningless when a shockwave rips the flesh from our bones.

Weaver95: Mordant: You're seriously going to have to give them a plan B, because there's no way in hell they are going to wake up and start doing anything sensible.

They already KNOW what they have to do - ditch Limbaugh, cut spending, cut taxes, repeal the Patriot Act, and biatch slap most of wall street (and stop giving them money).

ok, that's a start, but as a republican strategist, i'd like to tweak your ideas just a smidge:

They already KNOW what they have to do - ditch officially ignore Limbaugh while using his rhetoric to solidify a base, cut spending (except for the military), cut taxes (except among the middle and lower classes), repeal tweak the Patriot Act to obfuscate actions, and biatch slap continue to feed from the trough of most of wall street (and stop giving them money).

great, i think we can work with this, thanks for the suggestion, citizen!

CNN just reported that they had heard rumors of some Americans in Pakistan taking terrorist training to bring back to the states with them.


hmmm...

That's OK. I hate America too.

"They hate America"

The most common form of straw man argument: an assumption of bad motives. Instead of talking about what the president is doing, you claim the president has bad motives and talk about them.

It is one thing to say you believe someone's policies are bad for the nation. It is quite another to say they are implementing those polices because they hate their own country. No one can read minds. As soon as you start to talk about why some one does something you have left the world of facts and entered into conjecture.

But it is easier to claim "Oh no! secret Muslim socialist", than it is to argue the facts. If you opponents get drawn into arguing against your straw man, you win! That is what happened to John Kerry. He allowed himself to be drawn into defending his war record. This allowed his opponents to claim he was running on nothing else but his war record.

Actually, as a full fledged liberal myself, he does hate America, and more importantly, he should hate America. America has become the bombastic, over-the-top villain from every action movie. He should despise America with every ounce of his energy, and stop at nothing to completely eradicate everything America stands for.

Weaver95: Instead of being all whiny about being rejected by the electorate, the Republicans need to specifically say what they feel is wrong with Obama's plans and - this is the important bit - they need to come with viable alternative plans of their own.

Say what you will about the Contract for America, Dude, at least it was an ethos.

Bladel: The anti-Obama crowd needs a new schtick. They Jumped the Mustard too early, and are now just boring noise.

The thing, there ARE legitimate arguments/complaints to be made on Obama and for the life of me I can't figure out why instead of complaining about the real problems, they complain about effing mustard. And when Obama does something really bad, no one will believe the right-wingers and instead think that they are simply overreacting yet again and ignore it.

Unless, that's the right-winger's plan all along.

Playerslight: I find it amusing that subby set the Political Inclination Thermometric Analyzer to "Neutral".

Kinda defeats the whole purpose of it.

Admins can change it. They changed two of my submissions.

Generation_D: The whole purpose of the PITA was to give DrewCo an argument to cite when they got accused by left and right alike that "Fark was biased."

Fark IS biased.....towards flamewars. Whatever makes the most money regardless of political affiliation.

FTFA: Far too many Americans were distracted by other things to notice that on Friday, June 26th, 211 House Democrats and 8 Republicans defiantly thumbed their noses at the will of their constituents and passed the largest tax increase in the nation's history.

Yes, it's thumbing their nose at the constituents when they say during the campaign "elect us and we'll enact policy x", and then get elected and brazenly enact policy x! How dare they!

When conservatives try to argue that the public doesn't want cap-and-trade, renewable energy investment, and public health care, they're insulting our intelligence. They're saying we got tricked by the hopey changey stuff and didn't actually listen to what he wanted to do. Keep believing that and keep your messaging on "onoesamtrakistehboogyman," and see what happens next election.

Hobodeluxe: CNN just reported that they had heard rumors of some Americans in Pakistan taking terrorist training to bring back to the states with them.


hmmm...

I can has proof?

/not being asinine, I'm genuinely curious.

nvmac: Sgt Otter: Let me guess: biatching about Obama's "socialist level" taxes that are lower than Reagan's tax rates.

biatching about "anti-American" Rev. Wright, while ignoring the GOP's heroes, Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Ted Hagee. Who when they're not yellilng that God punished American with 9/11 and Katrina, they're calling for a nuclear attack on Washington, DC.

Relax. It doesn't matter what he says. He could cut the deficit in in his first term and they would say he did it too quickly and hurt business. We could see new energy technologies that make huge dents in our reliance on oil because of cap and trade and they'll say we lost traditional jobs of real Americans to new, untested technologies.

An interesting line of thinking. I would suggest that Jesus returning will be met with scorn by the fundie believers as well. "The trumpet was loud, but was that really a trumpet? We at FOX news want to know."

You could imagine if some serious shiat kicked off and WWIII was imminent, and Obama came on TV and asked all religious people to pray with him and Christ pops up and world peace immediately followed they would say, "Obama's Liberal Jesus is a clear fake, he keeps preaching peace, love and tolerance. The Real Jesus would be taking it to the Arabs and Muslims, and instead of healing the sick with his miracles he would be using them to make wealthy people much richer. And what is this camel through the eye of a needle stuff he keeps talking about? We already explained that was some huge gateway in Jerusalem that camels could walk through a 100 at a time, showing how the rich will be first in line to get into heaven."

JerseyTim: If only we had listened!

Well played...DAMN well played.

xria: Christ pops up and world peace immediately followed they would say, "Obama's Liberal Jesus is a clear fake

Fundamentalists are some of the most unchristian people I have ever met.

redpanda2 2009-07-03 02:48:51 PM
"When conservatives try to argue that the public doesn't want cap-and-trade, renewable energy investment, and public health care, they're insulting our intelligence. They're saying we got tricked by the hopey changey stuff and didn't actually listen to what he wanted to do. Keep believing that and keep your messaging on "onoesamtrakistehboogyman," and see what happens next election."

I'm just speculating but I think those "Real Americans" (the Republicans who seriously say the things you've said in jest) can't imagine Americans actually wanting what the Obama agenda promises. Those "Real Americans" have conflated their understanding of patriotism with the Republican party's politics to the point where disagreeing with the Republican party is tantamount to treason... Or so I see it anyway.

FTFA "Doug Patton is a freelance columnist"

That is all you need to know.

It seems like when the right first started using the Rovian/Atwater tactics, there was a goal, a justifiable reason (at least for them) for the mudslinging; it was a means to an end. Now it seems like their original goal has been lost, that it's all about spreading vitriol and discord; the means have become the end. They've forgotten why they are doing what they do but zealously keep at it because they know nothing else.

We're reaching critical WHARRGARBL.

Took me two whole sentences to realize columnist is a douchebag.

Well, since no one seems to know (or doesn't care to answer) the last guy who was "famous" for writing for GOPUSA, was one Jeff Gannon, aka David Guckert - the rent boy who served as the staged plant for about 3 years in the White House press room.

bravian - nothing wrong with being a freelance writer, but being on the payroll of GOPUSA is all you need to know.

If he had hated the country he would have intentionally thrown the election by choosing Hillary as his running mate and let the pancake man and the slutty flight attendant fark the country into a coma.

unyon: notmtwain: Forget about the last half of the column.

My plan makes electricity rates skyrocket


He is correct about what Obama said and about what the cap and trade will do to electricity rates. Fortunately, most of us are off the grid, so a $700 or so increase in our annual electicity bills won't affect us anyway, other than helping to clear our skies.

I have a hard time believing that once it is implemented there won't be a massive negative reaction when increased rates kick in.

Of course energy costs would rise. As they rightfully should. That's merely reflecting the actual cost of production (including environmental cost) into the cost of the product. It essentially removes the subsidization of energy by the public, who end up footing the environmental costs.

Isn't that precisely what free marketeers should want? Why all the biatching? Why do conservatives feel entitled to a free ride on energy? Are they really sekrit Socialists?

Thanks for the prep, man. We're going to go spend July 4th with my right-wing inlaws, and now I'm prepared.

Mentat: Weaver95: Instead of being all whiny about being rejected by the electorate, the Republicans need to specifically say what they feel is wrong with Obama's plans and - this is the important bit - they need to come with viable alternative plans of their own.

Say what you will about the Contract for America, Dude, at least it was an ethos.

The Contract with America was only ever a "contract" in the Mafia-esque sense.

mksmith: Thanks for the prep, man. We're going to go spend July 4th with my right-wing inlaws, and now I'm prepared.

Unless they have IQs below 50, prepare for an ass-whupping with those arguments.

When the "true environmental cost" becomes arbirtary projections of damage wrought from global warming, and the govt is using a shell game to keep you from noticing that they've collected more taxes while they borrow like crazy, it's hard to buy the notion that this is somehow related to the free market.

/in spite of this, I'm in favor of energy taxes.

//The problem with disguising taxes as something else is that a lot of less intelligent people start to think that it actually IS something else. And you spend a big chunk of the tax money just managing the program (creating jobs that don't contribute to the economy).

other examples:
lotteries
social security

Not only does Messiah Hussein hate America, he raped my mother and killed my dog.

When will this nightmare end?

This pic is getting one heckofa workout.

By the way, how's that armed insurrection coming?

Lost Thought 00: Actually, as a full fledged liberal myself, he does hate America, and more importantly, he should hate America. America has become the bombastic, over-the-top villain from every action movie. He should despise America with every ounce of his energy, and stop at nothing to completely eradicate everything America stands for.

Whoa, I didn't know Rev. Wright was a Farker.

/relax, just funnin' witcha

Bhasayate: "We're doomed!"

/not obscure

Rather than the Founders of this country, Barack Obama's heroes have always been terrorists, felons and anarchists.

Our Beloved Founders:

John Hancock: Smuggler, tax evader
Thomas Paine: British expatriate, anarchist, rabble-rouser
Thomas Jefferson: Slave owner, hemp grower
Samuel Adams: Smuggler, terrorist, seditionist
Ben Franklin: Creator of the Post Office
John Adams: Monarchist, lawyer
Alexander Hamilton: Fired on Americans in the Whiskey Rebellion

I dunno....sounds like there's not much to admire in these guys. Apart from inventing American democracy.

What about the few of us that thought Obama would be bad and McCain never really seemed worth voting for. How should we feel?

Saiga410: What about the few of us that thought Obama would be bad and McCain never really seemed worth voting for. How should we feel?

I don't know. How do you feel?

Gyrfalcon: Saiga410: What about the few of us that thought Obama would be bad and McCain never really seemed worth voting for. How should we feel?

I don't know. How do you feel?

Underrepresented.

its really clear to me that Obama *hates* America. and its also clear that right wing shhittdumps who write CONservative propaganda hate America too because they are doing their best to destroy what their boy george didn't finish destroying.

...Why is it that nowadays absolutely every "Fascist"-but-marked-"normal" Politics headline GL'ed is so full of wharrgarbl that it explodes the detector?

Mentat
I think Obama is the real deal....

What kind of kool-aid you been drinking?

from the article: As we look back on Barack Obama's first six months in office, one of two things must be true: the man either believes his policies are good for the country (in which case he is a fool), or he knows those policies are destructive to our economy and he is promoting them anyway (in which case he is every bit the autocrat and Marxist many of us warned he was during the campaign).
For those who supported this president out of frustration with either John McCain or with George W. Bush, is it not obvious to you yet that Barack Obama hates America? Those of you who thought Jeremiah Wright was an anomaly in this man's life, can you now see that this preacher of hate was just part of a long chain of negative, anti-American influences on Obama?
Rather than the Founders of this country, Barack Obama's heroes have always been terrorists, felons and anarchists. Where most presidents revere Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, and James Madison, the father of the Constitution, this president's role models have been domestic bomber Bill Ayers and Marxist Saul Alinsky, whose "Rules for Radicals" contains the blueprint for tearing a free America from its underpinnings and replacing it with a repressive nanny state. ...one thing is clear. These people hate the America you and I love, and they will do whatever they can to alter it forever.

IlGreven: ...Why is it that nowadays absolutely every "Fascist"-but-marked-"normal" Politics headline GL'ed is so full of wharrgarbl that it explodes the detector?

They've run out of Preparation H and "Tucks" pads.

Playerslight: I find it amusing that subby set the Political Inclination Thermometric Analyzer to "Neutral".
Kinda defeats the whole purpose of it.

Professional's Tip: Right click - Adblock Image.

Try it on TF bugs and little t-shirts!

Lost Thought 00: Actually, as a full fledged liberal myself, he does hate America, and more importantly, he should hate America. America has become the bombastic, over-the-top villain from every action movie. He should despise America with every ounce of his energy, and stop at nothing to completely eradicate everything America stands for.

Everything? so you believe America is nothing but an evil empire and yet you continue to live here? Heck if hated everything about the place I live I would move.

"23 multinational corporations made up a business group formed at the January 2005 World Economic Forum. The group included Ford, Toyota, British Airways, BP and Unilever. On June 9, 2005 the Group published a statement stating that there was a need to act on climate change and stressing the importance of market-based solutions. It called on governments to establish "clear, transparent, and consistent price signals" through "creation of a long-term policy framework" that would include all major producers of greenhouse gases. By December 2007 this had grown to encompass 150 global businesses."

If successful international companies can support cap and trade then why not give it a chance? At this rate the lunatic fringe on the far right is going to slowly gain traction, oust Obama and reverse all of his policies anyway. We won't get another chance to do this.

tony41454 thats right, use those sweet, impotent, tears to lube my cock, you moron.

tony41454: Mentat
I think Obama is the real deal....

What kind of kool-aid you been drinking?

from the article: As we look back on Barack Obama's first six months in office, one of two things must be true: the man either believes his policies are good for the country (in which case he is a fool), or he knows those policies are destructive to our economy and he is promoting them anyway (in which case he is every bit the autocrat and Marxist many of us warned he was during the campaign).
For those who supported this president out of frustration with either John McCain or with George W. Bush, is it not obvious to you yet that Barack Obama hates America? Those of you who thought Jeremiah Wright was an anomaly in this man's life, can you now see that this preacher of hate was just part of a long chain of negative, anti-American influences on Obama?
Rather than the Founders of this country, Barack Obama's heroes have always been terrorists, felons and anarchists. Where most presidents revere Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence, and James Madison, the father of the Constitution, this president's role models have been domestic bomber Bill Ayers and Marxist Saul Alinsky, whose "Rules for Radicals" contains the blueprint for tearing a free America from its underpinnings and replacing it with a repressive nanny state. ...one thing is clear. These people hate the America you and I love, and they will do whatever they can to alter it forever.

Must be true. It's written with real electrons and everything!