What about those of us who already have anal probes? Will we be grandfathered in?

rikdanger: What about those of us who already have anal probes? Will we be grandfathered in?

back doored actually

I love PA. We have the best laws.

...Anyone know if it's still illegal to take a bath with your goat here?

olapbill: rikdanger: What about those of us who already have anal probes? Will we be grandfathered in?

back doored actually

Aaaand scene.

This is outrag....

Oh, ALIEN anal probes. Nevermind.

I have been implanting microchips under fillings for years.

They will be activated when the time is right.

Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

gotta' get past my glock first.


have a nice day!

I've always considered this an Idea. How about planting one into non violent convicted felons. Their choice would be, serve 10 years in jail, or have this microchip embedded in you and be tracked for 10 years. This way if a crime were ever to occur, a gps system would either prove or disprove that they were even present at future crime scenes.

And if you remove it from your body, you automatically serve the full sentence with an additional 30% of your original sentencing.

This would free up the prison system for the violent criminals.

In other news assault is apparently legal in PA.

ArthGuinness: Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

Think: Tracking Prisoners.

Phil Herup: I have been implanting microchips under fillings for years.

They will be activated when the time is right.

Shut up Phil, you doc?

Injected into the triceps, the chips have unique 16-digit codes and GPS capabilities that allow nursing homes to find wandering patients.

Viridium patches work just as well, except they can't be used under anti-beaming shields.

Despite the technology's potential usefulness, Sultzbaugh said, some Christian groups liken the identification devices to the "mark of the beast," a Satanic mark described in the Book of Revelation and represented by the number 666.

So we'll just change the number on the chips to 667 and everything will be fine.

pvd021: I've always considered this an Idea. How about planting one into non violent convicted felons. Their choice would be, serve 10 years in jail, or have this microchip embedded in you and be tracked for 10 years. This way if a crime were ever to occur, a gps system would either prove or disprove that they were even present at future crime scenes.

And if you remove it from your body, you automatically serve the full sentence with an additional 30% of your original sentencing.

This would free up the prison system for the violent criminals.

I think that's a terrific plan.

Of course, I'd also make them mandatory for people who can't pass a basic 8th grade civics exam, but that's just me.

UPIA?

no alien anal probes?

So that means that Juan can't stick his burrito up Conchita's coohlo?

/sounds racist to me

The aliens never listen. They will put their probes where they see fit, and that is that.

"We've been coming here for 50 years and performing anal probes, and all that we've learned is that 1 in 10 doesn't really seem to mind." - KITH

There was a Law and Order: Criminal Intent about this once. I think Bob Saget was in it.

olapbill: rikdanger: What about those of us who already have anal probes? Will we be grandfathered in?

back doored actually

Grandfathered, backdoored, whatever.

Either way, there's an old guy with hair in his ears and a speculum in my...well, you get the picture.

I shiat you not, an ex-boss of mine had his kids implanted with chips so he could keep track of what they were up to.

ArthGuinness: Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

It wouldn't be legal. Surgery that you do not consent to, or, depending on the circumstances, that a reasonable person would not have consented to, is a legal "battery."

But these days it's very hard to sue physicians for anything because of tort reform, and other legal obstacles states have put into place to make it harder to sue them. Moreover, it isn't clear what the patient's economic damages would be in a case like this, so especially with damage caps in place, it probably wouldn't be worth an attorney's time to take this kind of case. Doctors these days can pretty much act with impunity.

As a member of the elytrous state of Pennsylvania I'm just happy the law was not to force chip implants, so this is a step in the right direction compared to our other farked up laws. Now we just need to get beer in the gas stations and we'll be set, drunk and chipless.

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ArthGuinness: Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

Think: Tracking Prisoners.

Ever see that Duracell commercial where the negligent parent is trying to track her son Kevin that wandered off?
Some states proposed this for infants (not sure how far it got) as a way to deter kidnapping from the maternity ward.

PanZom: Now we just need to get beer in the gas stations and we'll be set, drunk and chipless.



Just go buy another gun.

Do you have your required minimum of 10 yet?

Dorf11: "We've been coming here for 50 years and performing anal probes, and all that we've learned is that 1 in 10 doesn't really seem to mind." - KITH

Came here to post this.

Yes I have the required 10 however I'm an atheist so I guess according to the Prez I can't live here.

I have long thought microchipping would be the so-called "Mark of the Beast" associated with the book of Revelations so I'm OK with this.

/Too bad the mark was actually cell phones. :(

strange? I'd say 'hero' tag. For once this bill actually make sense in preventing future attempts at "total information awareness" and other such minor tyrannies..

PanZom: As a member of the elytrous state of Pennsylvania I'm just happy the law was not to force chip implants, so this is a step in the right direction compared to our other farked up laws. Now we just need to get beer in the gas stations and we'll be set, drunk and chipless.

Hear, Hear! our beer laws suck.
The case has interesting implications for children and Alzheimer's patients, who cannot legally give consent. Lots of Americans microchip their pets; I could see an over-anxious parent chipping a child. As the grandchild of an Alzheimer's sufferer, I do kind of like the idea of chipping them... sure, seems like a terrible invasion of privacy, until Grandpa wanders off in the fields in the dead of winter. Maybe that makes me a fascist. Maybe it makes me honest. Eh.

Microchipping employees, however, as in the case in Mexico-- that's just too Big Brother.

Note to self... rescale.

The Whore Of Mensa: The case has interesting implications for children and Alzheimer's patients, who cannot legally give consent. Lots of Americans microchip their pets; I could see an over-anxious parent chipping a child. As the grandchild of an Alzheimer's sufferer, I do kind of like the idea of chipping them... sure, seems like a terrible invasion of privacy, until Grandpa wanders off in the fields in the dead of winter. Maybe that makes me a fascist. Maybe it makes me honest. Eh.

Well consent would be given by those that have power of attorney.

Alzheimers patients I would agree with (if the person with power decides to). I would disagree with children though

fernanernie: Ever see that Duracell commercial where the negligent parent is trying to track her son Kevin that wandered off?

Thanks for this... I had to wipe the tears away from laughing so hard.

Seriously folks, keep an eye on your kids. That duracell's gonna die someday and then Kevin will be abducted, it's only a matter of time.

Well there goes my plans for the weekend.

My name is Chip and I have a micro penis and I live in Allentown, so I'm not getting a kick out of these replies...

ArthGuinness: Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

The Man would like you to believe it's not necessary.

Move along, citizen.

Well consent would be given by those that have power of attorney.

Alzheimers patients I would agree with (if the person with power decides to). I would disagree with children though

It's definitely a slippery slope issue. There's justification to tag patients, children, criminals.... and we all have different places of drawing that line. Of course, you know if the practice were widespread, someone somewhere would use it to abuse privacy.

Hell, I'm a little spooked-out by OnStar in cars... just gives me the willies.

/putting tinfoil hat on/

Well they can treat you real nice.
Or put a traking device,... way down inside.

ArthGuinness: Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

"Lawmakers" get paid by the word.

This law is a good thing, but ultimately within the next few decades I think most people in the US or the Western World will be chipped, and they'll choose to do it, or be coerced into choosing.

There was a company a few years back that had developed a subcutaneous transponder / RFID supposedly for purposes much like what pvd021 was discussing. On it's surface it's appears to be a good thing. But the idea of a human being having what amounts to a location beacon embedded in their body is well, pretty frightening.

Of course for the types that are already monitoring phone and internet communications, this would be a great time saver. Consider automotive black boxes:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/02/black_boxes_states.html

I don't know about you, but it seems to me if they're so concerned with people driving over the speed limit, it would be far simpler to put a speed regulator in that garnered it's upper limit from GPS data (my gps displays speed data where available). The only reason NOT to do that is to tax the fark out of people by simply having cars dial home to report that someone is speeding. How much effort that would save!

People will choose to have chips implanted because they won't be able to get health insurance if they don't, or because they won't have to go through a checkout line at the super market. Of course the big downside to this is that if they participate in a protest which DHS considers 'soft terrorism' they'll be easy to scan (not that it matters since > 90% of the populace lives in a "Constitution Free Zone" now anyway: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/ACLU_highlights_ConstitutionFree_Zone_100_miles_10 22.html http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=101473 )

Imagine large scale protests about, well, whatever... And the authorities simply letting them happen and reading everyones RFIDs as they walk down the street. Or not being allowed on an airplane because you participated in a political protest.

So, the real law to pass isn't one that doesn't force people to get chipped, it's one that won't allow the government or any government contractors to READ the chips, install monitoring equipment, etc.

FTA: Josephs said electronic ankle bracelets could keep track of someone in a less-invasive manner.

But for some "murderers, killers, and rapists," ankle bracelets won't do the trick, said State Rep. Dan Moul (R., Adams).

This to the first and it seems to have worked so far to second. I thought we locked those people up for a period of time, so we knew where they were at...

A couple years back there was some company that was working on a chip time card. You'd be able to access secured doors and the time clock by the chip in your arm or hand. The problem would be are you willing to lose your job to avoid getting chipped. It seemed pretty creepy at the time.

Hasn't anyone seen futuristic action movies? The bad guy just uses a small knife and cuts out the chip - which is implanted just under the skin. (My dogs are chipped and it isn't too hard to feel the grain of rice in their shoulders.)

Surely no gitmo terrorists (or any other serious criminal) would ever sacrifice a small cut to remove the chip!

/stupid politicians need to use the internets and get informed

ITfarmer, have you seen Total Recall that thing was way up his nasal cavity and the removal seemed painful and required a huge contraption to get it out.

8string: This law is a good thing, but ultimately within the next few decades I think most people in the US or the Western World will be chipped, and they'll choose to do it, or be coerced into choosing.

It will be sold to the masses as a means of going cashless. We tend to be lazy and convenience-minded, so it's an easy sell. Few will bother to wonder "what if they turn my chip off?"

I've heard a few people liken RFID to the mark of the beast. Yeah, I know it sounds crazy. But chipping people sounds pretty crazy as well.

Give them the air, Cohagen!!

one more...

Kuato lives!!

ArthGuinness: Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

This has been a big concern of the End Timers for quite some time. They think a microchip, especially one implanted in the hand, is the 'mark of the beast' in the book of Revelations that you will need to make any kind of transactions. If you have the mark, you won't get to go to heaven when Jesus returns.

Raging Thespian: UPIA?

Take this out of the case, and stick it up your nose. Don't worry it's self guiding. Just shove real hard.