ITfarmer: Hasn't anyone seen futuristic action movies? The bad guy just uses a small knife and cuts out the chip - which is implanted just under the skin. (My dogs are chipped and it isn't too hard to feel the grain of rice in their shoulders.)

Surely no gitmo terrorists (or any other serious criminal) would ever sacrifice a small cut to remove the chip!

/stupid politicians need to use the internets and get informed

That's why any required chip wouldn't be in the hands/wrists or legs, it would probably be somewhere that isn't very easily accessable for someone to cut out without some effort (like the middle of the back, or inside of the butt cheeks)

Goldeneye007: That's why any required chip wouldn't be in the hands/wrists or legs, it would probably be somewhere that isn't very easily accessable for someone to cut out without some effort (like the middle of the back, or inside of the butt cheeks)

No one puts anything in my ass but me.

phenn: Goldeneye007: That's why any required chip wouldn't be in the hands/wrists or legs, it would probably be somewhere that isn't very easily accessable for someone to cut out without some effort (like the middle of the back, or inside of the butt cheeks)

No one puts anything in my ass but me.

Hey, they're talking about microchips, not beer bottles.

//jus' kiddin

i think it should be on the back of the neck. or base of the skull. Matrix anyone?

phenn: 8string: This law is a good thing, but ultimately within the next few decades I think most people in the US or the Western World will be chipped, and they'll choose to do it, or be coerced into choosing.

It will be sold to the masses as a means of going cashless. We tend to be lazy and convenience-minded, so it's an easy sell. Few will bother to wonder "what if they turn my chip off?"

I've heard a few people liken RFID to the mark of the beast. Yeah, I know it sounds crazy. But chipping people sounds pretty crazy as well.

They'll make it sexy and sleek. We're all already carrying location beacons... I love my new iBeacon. The video camera is cool... ;) It'll be the insurance companies and hospitals that will coerce those of us who don't buy the 'convienience' bs into doing it. "You can carry your full medical history on your body", or at least the UUID to find it in the national medical database...

The thing is, there really are *good* uses for this, but humans being humans it'll be used mostly for bad reasons with the good uses being only a facade to dupe most folks. I don't believe in revelations or any of that stuff, but if I do think subcutaneous RFIDs are the mark of the devil. :)

What about a retard? If I lose my retard, I want someone to be able to scan it and get it back to me.

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Well, there were those X-Files episodes that included a group of abductees in Allentown, PA who had the chips implanted in their necks. Someone was watching reruns and thought they were real.

don't forget to wrap a wet towel around your head.

I find it strange that this wasn't illegal already.

This is an individual soverienity issue and I suppor these law makers. No conspiracy just right and wrong.

The Whore Of Mensa: PanZom: As a member of the elytrous state of Pennsylvania I'm just happy the law was not to force chip implants, so this is a step in the right direction compared to our other farked up laws. Now we just need to get beer in the gas stations and we'll be set, drunk and chipless.

Hear, Hear! our beer laws suck.
The case has interesting implications for children and Alzheimer's patients, who cannot legally give consent. Lots of Americans microchip their pets; I could see an over-anxious parent chipping a child. As the grandchild of an Alzheimer's sufferer, I do kind of like the idea of chipping them... sure, seems like a terrible invasion of privacy, until Grandpa wanders off in the fields in the dead of winter. Maybe that makes me a fascist. Maybe it makes me honest. Eh.

Microchipping employees, however, as in the case in Mexico-- that's just too Big Brother.

You scare me. Because you aren't a good caretaker you think that the person should be microchipped?

I support this law, for individual rights reasons.

That said, actually implementing these chips would be a disaster, not only for privacy reasons, but you would also see a rise in the End Timers and alot of radical Christians performing terrorist attacks or at least attempting them against what they will literally see as the Great Satan and his government.

Big Brother is inevitable, because people can't behave.

If they could, we wouldn't need to chip them.

They can't, so we will chip them.

Inevitable.

Raging Thespian: UPIA?

Came for this.

/repeatedly

TheSignPost: Big Brother is inevitable, because people can't behave.

If they could, we wouldn't need to chip them.

They can't, so we will chip them.

Inevitable.

Oh, bullshiat. The government doesn't behave. Let them get their own asses chipped. And, while we're at it, let every jackoff in DC pass a friggin drug test. Dickheads.

strothgar: My name is Chip and I have a micro penis and I live in Allentown, so I'm not getting a kick out of these replies...



/ But are you an ass-bandit ??!!!

TheSignPost: Big Brother is inevitable, because people can't behave.

If they could, we wouldn't need to chip them.

They can't, so we will chip them.

Inevitable.



Inevitable.

phenn: Goldeneye007: That's why any required chip wouldn't be in the hands/wrists or legs, it would probably be somewhere that isn't very easily accessable for someone to cut out without some effort (like the middle of the back, or inside of the butt cheeks)

No one puts anything in my ass but me.

Homo-Phobe !!!

Unavailable for comment.

m2313: I support this law, for individual rights reasons.

That said, actually implementing these chips would be a disaster, not only for privacy reasons, but you would also see a rise in the End Timers and alot of radical Christians performing terrorist attacks or at least attempting them against what they will literally see as the Great Satan and his government.

/So, you agree with the radical Chrisitans!

pvd021: I've always considered this an Idea. How about planting one into non violent convicted felons. Their choice would be, serve 10 years in jail, or have this microchip embedded in you and be tracked for 10 years. This way if a crime were ever to occur, a gps system would either prove or disprove that they were even present at future crime scenes.

And if you remove it from your body, you automatically serve the full sentence with an additional 30% of your original sentencing.

This would free up the prison system for the violent criminals.

Why don't you put the whole world in a bottle, Superman?

Day_Old_Dutchie: (Leela) Unavailable for comment.

"Damn you Dutchie!"



/beat me to it
//:)

pvd021: Their choice would be, serve 10 years in jail, or have this microchip embedded in you and be tracked for 10 years. This way if a crime were ever to occur, a gps system would either prove or disprove that they were even present at future crime scenes.

Sounds like a good way to make our justice system even lazier, while doing nothing to prevent crime or protect the innocent. I'm surprised it hasn't been done already.

PanZom: As a member of the elytrous state of Pennsylvania

The state of Pennsylvania has hardened forewings?

pvd021: I've always considered this an Idea. How about planting one into non violent convicted felons. Their choice would be, serve 10 years in jail, or have this microchip embedded in you and be tracked for 10 years. This way if a crime were ever to occur, a gps system would either prove or disprove that they were even present at future crime scenes.

That's not how it would work. Why waste the court time.

Cops show up, maybe with a Junior DA in tow, and tell you that they'll drop prosecution for a crime you never knew you committed if you plead guilty and let them chip you.

After a move about 10 years ago I went through a few weeks without an internet connection. I was using the computers at the library. There was a guy who always seemed to be there and we got to talking one day.

Turns out the CIA had implanted a chip in him to control his thoughts. He'd been reading Web sites by other people who had had these chips implanted. He used the library computers so that the CIA could not track his home web use.

He was so normal, other than this delusion. It was like he was calmly telling me that he'd had grown juicy tomatoes with Othro-Gro or something else just as mundane.

Actually, I like the idea of outlawing obvious abuses before they become rampant. Lawmakers usually suffer from a bad case of stabledoor-itis... at least when it comes to benefiting the constituents. When it comes to lining their pockets, however... well, I'm surprised this law doesn't come complete with a rider saying it's okay to circumvent it as long as you, ahem, "contribute" to XYZ's campaign.

Also, count me in with the people who are not nutjob religiots, but who nonetheless would dig out a chip with a butter knife if necessary.

paygun, indeed the state is very bug like you must have never been.
Just kidding I just always felt the little chunk of land that protrudes up to Lake Erie looked like a wing. I'm obviously the only one that thinks that.

Dick_Hertz: So, you agree with the radical Chrisitans!

Yeah, but I'm still at odds with the radical Christians.Chrisitan tradition frowns upon their crazy fundamentalism.

-Thought for sure I'd see Cartman in here...

What? So many posts in an no pic of Cartman's Alien Probe?

OW! My ASS!

If you really don't want the wearer to remove the chip, implant it in such a place where it will cause a lot of collateral damage if you try to remove it. Maybe behind the spine or in one of the folds of the brain.

/I noticed that my newest credit cards have RFID chips in them.
//So does my drivers license and card key for work.
///Slippery slope already started.

Phil Herup: I have been implanting microchips under fillings for years.

They will be activated when the time is right.

Goldeneye007: The Whore Of Mensa: PanZom: As a member of the elytrous state of Pennsylvania I'm just happy the law was not to force chip implants, so this is a step in the right direction compared to our other farked up laws. Now we just need to get beer in the gas stations and we'll be set, drunk and chipless.

Hear, Hear! our beer laws suck.
The case has interesting implications for children and Alzheimer's patients, who cannot legally give consent. Lots of Americans microchip their pets; I could see an over-anxious parent chipping a child. As the grandchild of an Alzheimer's sufferer, I do kind of like the idea of chipping them... sure, seems like a terrible invasion of privacy, until Grandpa wanders off in the fields in the dead of winter. Maybe that makes me a fascist. Maybe it makes me honest. Eh.

Microchipping employees, however, as in the case in Mexico-- that's just too Big Brother.

You scare me. Because you aren't a good caretaker you think that the person should be microchipped?

Yes. That's exactly what I meant. I figure, if you chip senile adults and little children, you are immediately absolved of any responsibility in caring for them. It's not as if there's any legal or moral ambiguity involved in the practice, or implied in my post.

I'm so glad someone got my message.

Gah, now I can't RFID tag my own kids anymore? As if it wasn't already difficult enough to apply proper inventory control techniques.

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ArthGuinness: Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

Think: Tracking Prisoners.


Think RFIDS to track your children for their Safety of course. Think about the children!!!!!!

So, what happens if you have heart failure, slip into a coma, have no relatives that can act as power of attorney, and you need an artificial heart implanted to live?

So, you're like farked, right?

The Whore Of Mensa: As the grandchild of an Alzheimer's sufferer, I do kind of like the idea of chipping them... sure, seems like a terrible invasion of privacy, until Grandpa wanders off in the fields in the dead of winter.

Kind of a double standard here, eh? When an Alzheimer's sufferer wonders off in to the fields of winter, it is nature's way of saying it's time to go..

If I contracted something like Alzheimer's, I would expect that I be "put to sleep" myself... A decision made before my mind is too far gone and to be carried out. Unfortunately "society" frowns on this.

/The slope gets slipperier.

Helen_Arigby: Also, count me in with the people who are not nutjob religiots, but who nonetheless would dig out a chip with a butter knife if necessary.

First, I would try powerful magnets and localized electric shocks. These would be far less painful than the butter knife surgery and if they don't work, you could always fall back on the butter knife.

Dinjiin: So, what happens if you have heart failure, slip into a coma, have no relatives that can act as power of attorney, and you need an artificial heart implanted to live?

So, you're like farked, right?

If you actually don't have any relatives (not just that can't be reached quickly) and all that, yeah, you're farked. A hospital isn't going to go that far out (artificials are still experimental, right?) without any hope of consent. Or payment.

Helen_Arigby: Also, count me in with the people who are not nutjob religiots, but who nonetheless would dig out a chip with a butter knife if necessary.

Butter knife bad. Definitely want sharpness here. Definitely.

Given that sub-cutaneous RFID implants have been suggested for prisoners, sex offenders, etc with varying degrees of seriousness, this is not necessarily a bad law so much as just a cautious one.

Dinjiin: So, what happens if you have heart failure, slip into a coma, have no relatives that can act as power of attorney, and you need an artificial heart implanted to live?

So, you're like farked, right?

I am actually one of those people, more or less. And yes I would be farked. It's a pain to fill out paperwork when you don't have much to put down for next of kin. But what the fark. Slipping in to a coma may not be all that bad. And how would RFID implants help? It is most likely that you would be carrying around some sort of ID like a license or credit card anyway.

How exactly is implanting a foreign object into someone without consent not already covered by a law in Pennsylvania? Depending on the circumstance, It would have to be Assault, Medical Malpractice, Rape, etc. Right?

mizchief: How exactly is implanting a foreign object into someone without consent not already covered by a law in Pennsylvania? Depending on the circumstance, It would have to be Assault, Medical Malpractice, Rape, etc. Right?

The only purpose the law serves is to allow the politicians to claim they have protected you from some new danger. It has no real affect on anyone competent.

The only people affected are the mental incompetents. Their guardian no longer has the option of chipping them. Since they are incompetent, their consent does not count.

Haven't read the Pennsylvania law, but Missouri is trying to pass something similar to prevent employers from requiring chips as a condition of employment.

The whole thing is a nightmare scenario, anyway. Read about Britain's RFID-enabled cards for foreigners and the massive security problems they're having with those. Now, imagine having one of those, but under your skin, 24/7.

IMHO, the law wasn't broad enough. It should have blanketed any type of device which tracks ones movements without their knowledge.

But who am I kidding... It's not a state or federal governments we need to worry about. It's those kooky guys over at Google. (my location within six feet? Damn, that's some scary shiat)

Danielsan: ArthGuinness: Is this law necessary? Why would the default legality of this actually be true?

This has been a big concern of the End Timers for quite some time. They think a microchip, especially one implanted in the hand, is the 'mark of the beast' in the book of Revelations that you will need to make any kind of transactions. If you have the mark, you won't get to go to heaven when Jesus returns.

Of course this law is still worthless as it will be overturned by the anti-christ.