Give them time, they'll get around to it.

Liberty is about the last thing the ACLU actually cares about.

All I know is that not news is news. I truly believe that snopes exists as a website that starts rumors that it debunks... what a great business model... and it's the idiots that eat it up and interject this not-news with indignant self righteousness in the name of trying to make some sort of a point.

bleh.

Where's the ?

nikknaack1: onebadgungan: nikknaack1: theorellior: nikknaack1: Oh oh, I can has establishment clause flamewar!

Like I just posted in the Jefferson thread, I invite anyone who thinks the Founding Fathers intended this to be a fundamentalist Christian county to go buy a copy of the Jefferson Bible and see what he did there.

I in no way think they did. I however also don't believe they ment it to be taken the way we do today where no religious symbols shoulde be incorporated on public property. It was there to prevent what happened with that nice little King who got pissed at the Pope for telling him he couldn't keep getting divorced and married, and decided to just start his own church and forcing all those under him to follow it.

That being said, there is no way they ever invisioned the complexities of today's society and world, so trying to interpret it exaclty as they ment it doesn't serve much purpose either as it really doesn't directly apply very well. They were basing their thoughts on a mainly Christian society, and thus didn't have to be concerned with the issues of today.

Fail. Some were Protestants, some were Deists, I believe there was at least one or two atheists or agnostics.

I believe someone else already pointed you in the direction of Jefferson's Bible, or any of his further writing on the subject.

I didn't say the Founding Fathers were all Christian, I said the society was mainly christian, which it was. And that point was only made to say that they didn't have a frame of reference for today's society. Take your fail and lack of reading comprehension and stick it up your ass.

Yeah, I still call fail, since it wasn't a solely Christian society - which is the whole point. But thanks for thinking about my ass, though.

Sgt Otter: Yes Sound: Sun God: There are no Navy chaplains in foxholes.

No, but they will be as close behind the action as they can be. (at least, the ones attached to marine units). All the chaplains I have encountered have more balls than me, I for one would really rather go into harms way carrying a rifle than religious text of choice. I have had a range of chaplains from southern baptist to muslim, and I respect every one I run into.

Must be nice. Ours was a dickhead who only left the FOB to annoy the living shiat out of us, by standing around and saying "hot enough for ya?" while we filled sandbags at our Combat Outpost.

Oh, and he completely made up shiat about the guys we lost during their memorials.

You know, if you're going to make up some bullshiat story about how the staunch Irish Catholic was going to convert to Southern Baptist, you might want to pronounce his name right. I mean, after all, you had those "deep, conversations that lasted for hours about wanting to convert."

During my time in I never met a chaplain I didn't not only like, but respect.
I had Pagan on my tags, and every command I went to one of the first things that happened was the chaplains office would look me up to see what they could do for me; not to convert me, but what could they do to help me with the observance of my religion (which was nothing).
As to the asswipe you apparently ran in to, I refuse to believe it was a Navy Chaplain. Army, Air Farce maybe.

We had some folks who claimed to be ACLU who were hanging pink ribbons on headstones in Arlington one weekend.
Their point was that one of every 3 soldiers had teh ghey
and they were even putting them on civil war graves.

Of course they weren't carrying I.D.

So we kept 'em until we could finger out who they were.

And believe me when I say that it....aaaah
was physically unpleasant for them

paganized:
As to the asswipe you apparently ran in to, I refuse to believe it was a Navy Chaplain. Army, Air Farce maybe.

Army. The farked up thing was that he said he was prior-enlisted, and prior combat arms. But then again, practically everything that came out of his mouth was a lie.

/To clarify, I've met some cool chaplains. Unfortunately, the one I deployed with, and gave the memorials for my friends was the biggest disgrace to the officer corps I've ever met.