Veloxus: They're not trying to remove them...yet. I'm sure we will come to a day eventually where it's a slow day at the ACLU, and they'll look at those cross gravestones on federal land and say "You know what? That offends me."

I wouldn't be so annoyed by the ACLU if they didn't so frequently use the justification of "so-and-so is offended by this".

What Veloxus might look like:



The ACLU has stated repeatedly that they have no interest in regulating personal head stone choices.

Veloxus: They're not trying to remove them...yet. I'm sure we will come to a day eventually where it's a slow day at the ACLU, and they'll look at those cross gravestones on federal land and say "You know what? That offends me."

It's good that you're pre-emptively worrying about a strawman problem and posting about it on Fark. It's good because we now can call you a concern troll.

Veloxus: I wouldn't be so annoyed by the ACLU if they didn't so frequently use the justification of "so-and-so is offended by this".

I'm often annoyed by things that occur in my imagination as well. We should hang out.

I like your theory, thac0.

Veloxus: They're not trying to remove them...yet. I'm sure we will come to a day eventually where it's a slow day at the ACLU, and they'll look at those cross gravestones on federal land and say "You know what? That offends me."

I wouldn't be so annoyed by the ACLU if they didn't so frequently use the justification of "so-and-so is offended by this".

Do you even know how the ACLU works?

/used to be a member

theorellior: nikknaack1: Oh oh, I can has establishment clause flamewar!

Like I just posted in the Jefferson thread, I invite anyone who thinks the Founding Fathers intended this to be a fundamentalist Christian county to go buy a copy of the Jefferson Bible and see what he did there.

I in no way think they did. I however also don't believe they ment it to be taken the way we do today where no religious symbols shoulde be incorporated on public property. It was there to prevent what happened with that nice little King who got pissed at the Pope for telling him he couldn't keep getting divorced and married, and decided to just start his own church and forcing all those under him to follow it.

That being said, there is no way they ever invisioned the complexities of today's society and world, so trying to interpret it exaclty as they ment it doesn't serve much purpose either as it really doesn't directly apply very well. They were basing their thoughts on a mainly Christian society, and thus didn't have to be concerned with the issues of today.

Veloxus: They're not trying to remove them...yet. I'm sure we will come to a day eventually where it's a slow day at the ACLU, and they'll look at those cross gravestones on federal land and say "You know what? That offends me."

I wouldn't be so annoyed by the ACLU if they didn't so frequently use the justification of "so-and-so is offended by this".

When you find yourself feeling "sure" of things like that, it's probably a good time to resume your meds.

limeyfellow: Now if someone can just tell my dumb arse brother in law that. He still insistent that the French dug up all the US servicemen from WW1 and WW2 and sent them back to the US and goes on to paranoid rants about the government going to take his guns, eradicate religion and make him marry a gay man I guess. Every.. single.. time. Thank he who has noodley goodness that the guy left.


Yeah, but you're still married to his sister.

nikknaack1: theorellior: nikknaack1: Oh oh, I can has establishment clause flamewar!

Like I just posted in the Jefferson thread, I invite anyone who thinks the Founding Fathers intended this to be a fundamentalist Christian county to go buy a copy of the Jefferson Bible and see what he did there.

I in no way think they did. I however also don't believe they ment it to be taken the way we do today where no religious symbols shoulde be incorporated on public property. It was there to prevent what happened with that nice little King who got pissed at the Pope for telling him he couldn't keep getting divorced and married, and decided to just start his own church and forcing all those under him to follow it.

That being said, there is no way they ever invisioned the complexities of today's society and world, so trying to interpret it exaclty as they ment it doesn't serve much purpose either as it really doesn't directly apply very well. They were basing their thoughts on a mainly Christian society, and thus didn't have to be concerned with the issues of today.

See, that's the thing. this is a multi-faith society now. As a complete non-believer, i am not bothered by religious symbols on public property, god's name on money, that sort of thing (well, ok - I draw the line at the Ten Commandments on a courthouse wall - but that's how far you have to push it to raise my hackles).
But if I were a member of a non-christian faith, I might want equal representation, or an absence of those symbols.
But I do know that people who bash the ACLU have failed to think a few very important things through all the way.

nikknaack1: theorellior: nikknaack1: Oh oh, I can has establishment clause flamewar!

Like I just posted in the Jefferson thread, I invite anyone who thinks the Founding Fathers intended this to be a fundamentalist Christian county to go buy a copy of the Jefferson Bible and see what he did there.

I in no way think they did. I however also don't believe they ment it to be taken the way we do today where no religious symbols shoulde be incorporated on public property. It was there to prevent what happened with that nice little King who got pissed at the Pope for telling him he couldn't keep getting divorced and married, and decided to just start his own church and forcing all those under him to follow it.

That being said, there is no way they ever invisioned the complexities of today's society and world, so trying to interpret it exaclty as they ment it doesn't serve much purpose either as it really doesn't directly apply very well. They were basing their thoughts on a mainly Christian society, and thus didn't have to be concerned with the issues of today.

Fail. Some were Protestants, some were Deists, I believe there was at least one or two atheists or agnostics.

I believe someone else already pointed you in the direction of Jefferson's Bible, or any of his further writing on the subject.

Those IUDs are serious business. Our troops are getting killed or wounded every day with those things blowing up on the roadsides

After their relentless crusade (irony intended) against religiosity in other contexts, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the ACLU was trying to eliminate it in military cemetaries. Nice to know that it isn't true. I hasten to add, though, 'yet'.

If it's on the internet, I pretty much assume it to be true.

I usually like to see how the mouthbreathers at freerepublic.com get all frothy over hoaxes like this, but as far as I can tell, they haven't fallen for this one yet. Too bad.

jjorsett: After their relentless crusade (irony intended) against religiosity in other contexts, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the ACLU was trying to eliminate it in military cemetaries. Nice to know that it isn't true. I hasten to add, though, 'yet'.

Hey stupid, I know you probably won't look, but. . .

ACLU Files Federal Lawsuit To Protect Religious Liberty Of New Jersey Prisoner (12/3/2008)
State Prison Officials Prevent Ordained Pentecostal Minister From Preaching. Suit pending.

The ACLU of Louisiana (2008) filed a brief before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit supporting an individual's right to quote Bible verses on public streets in Zachary, Louisiana.

The ACLU of Southern California (2008) filed suit on behalf of members of a faith-based charity organization after park rangers threatened to arrest the members for serving hot meals and distributing Bibles to the homeless on Doheny State Beach.

The ACLU of Florida (2007) argued in favor of the right of Christians to protest against a gay pride event held in the City of St. Petersburg. The City had proposed limiting opposition speech, including speech motivated by religious beliefs, to restricted "free speech zones." After receiving the ACLU's letter, the City revised its proposed ordinance.

The ACLU of Oregon (2007) defended the right of students at a private religious school not to be pressured to violate their Sabbath day by playing in a state basketball tournament.

The ACLU of West Virginia (2007) sued on behalf of a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) university student who won a prestigious scholarship to West Virginia University. Although the state scholarship board provided leaves of absence for military, medical, and family reasons, it denied the ACLU's client a leave of absence to serve on a 2-year mission for his church.

The ACLU of North Carolina (2007) challenged a North Carolina Department of Corrections policy making all religious services in prison English-only, thereby denying access to many inmates. The North Carolina Division of Prisons agreed to review the policy and the need for religious services in languages other than English in the state correctional system.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2007) defended the right of an elementary school student who was prohibited from singing "Awesome God" in a voluntary, after-school talent show for which students selected their own material. The ACLU submitted a friend-of-the-court brief. After a favorable settlement was reached for the student, the federal lawsuit was dismissed.

The ACLU and the ACLU of Pennsylvania (2007) prevailed in their case on behalf of an Egyptian Coptic Christian who had been detained and who claimed he had been tortured by the Egyptian government because he refused to convert to Islam. After permitting Sameh Khouzam to stay in the United States for nine years based on evidence that he would probably be tortured if he returned to Egypt, the U.S. government changed its position in 2007 and sought to deport Mr. Khouzam based on diplomatic assurances from the Egyptian government that Mr. Khouzam would not be tortured upon return. As a result of the ACLU's advocacy, a federal court granted Mr. Khouzam an indefinite stay of deportation to Egypt.
The ACLU of Georgia (2007) filed a federal lawsuit to help obtain a zoning permit for a house of worship on behalf of the Tabernacle Community Baptist Church after the city of East Point denied the request. The city has since repealed the ordinance and churches are now allowed to occupy buildings that were previously used for commercial purposes.


The ACLU of Eastern Missouri (2007) represented Shirley L. Phelps-Roper, a member of the Westboro Baptist Church, whose religious beliefs led her to condemn homosexuality as a sin and insist that God is punishing the United States. The protests in which she has been involved have been confrontational and have involved funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq. While the ACLU does not endorse her message, it does believe that she has both religious and free-speech rights to express her viewpoint criticizing homosexuality.

The ACLU of Rhode Island (2007) prevailed in its arguments on behalf of a Christian inmate, Wesley Spratt, who had been preaching in prison for over seven years before administrators told him to stop based on vague and unsubstantiated security concerns.

The ACLU of Texas (2006) filed a friend-of-the-court brief in support of a Christian pastor and his faith-based rehabilitation facility in Sinton, Texas. The ACLU of Texas urged the court to reverse a decision that prohibited the pastor from operating his rehabilitation program near his church.

The ACLU of Louisiana (2006) prevailed in its lawsuit defending the right of a Christian man to exercise his religious and speech rights by protesting against homosexuality in front of a Wal-Mart store with a sign that read: "Christians: Wal-Mart Supports Gay Marriage and Gay Lifestyles. Don't Shop There."

The ACLU of Nevada (2006) defended the free exercise and free speech rights of evangelical Christians to preach on the sidewalks of Las Vegas. When the County government refused to change its unconstitutional policy, the ACLU filed suit in federal court.

The Iowa Civil Liberties Union (2005) defended the rights of two teenage girls who, for religious reasons, sought to wear anti-abortion t-shirts to school after school officials threatened to punish them.

The ACLU of New Mexico (2005) helped release a street preacher who had been incarcerated in Roosevelt County jail for 109 days. The case was brought to the ACLU by the preacher's wife and was supported by the American Family Association.

The ACLU of Pennsylvania (2004-2005) won two cases on behalf of predominantly African-American churches that were denied permits to worship in churches previously occupied by white congregations. In 2005, the ACLU of Pennsylvania settled a case against Turtle Creek Borough brought on behalf of Ekklesia church. After the ACLU of Pennsylvania's advocacy, the Borough of West Mifflin granted Second Baptist Church of Homestead an occupancy permit in 2002 and, in 2004, agreed to pay it damages and compensate it for its losses.

The ACLU of New Jersey (2004) appeared as a friend of the court to argue that a prosecutor violated the New Jersey Constitution by striking individuals from a jury pool after deciding that they were "demonstrative about their religion." One potential juror was a missionary; the other was wearing Muslim religious garb, including a skull cap. The ACLU-NJ also argued that permitting strikes based on jurors' display of their religion would often amount to discrimination against identifiable religious minorities.

The ACLU of Nebraska (2004) defended the Church of the Awesome God, a Presbyterian church, from forced eviction under the city of Lincoln's zoning laws. The ACLU of Nebraska also challenged city ordinances requiring religious organizations to meet safety standards not imposed on non-religious groups.



ACLU of MA Defends Students Punished for Distributing Candy Canes with Religious Messages (02/21/2003)
NORTHAMPTON, MA -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts today asked a federal district court in Springfield to protect the First Amendment rights of high school students who were disciplined by school officials for distributing candy canes with religious messages just before Christmas.

ACLU of Virginia Defends Federal Law Guaranteeing Religious Rights of Prisoners (06/12/2006)
RICHMOND, VA -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia today filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals defending the constitutionality of the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act (RLUIPA).

ACLU of New Jersey Defends Second-Grader's Right to Sing Religious Song (06/05/2006)
NEWARK, NJ -- The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey today filed a friend-of-the-court brief in a case seeking to uphold an elementary school student's right to religious expression.

ACLU of Georgia and Baptist Church File Religious Discrimination Lawsuit (04/19/2006)
ATLANTA -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia today filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of the Tabernacle Community Baptist Church, charging that the city of East Point, Georgia violated a federal religious discrimination law when it denied the church a zoning permit needed to establish its house of worship.

ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services (01/12/2006)
PROVIDENCE, RI -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Rhode Island announced today that it has filed an appeal in federal court on behalf of a Christian prisoner who was barred from preaching during religious services at the state prison.

ACLU of New Jersey Joins Lawsuit Supporting Second-Grader's Right to Sing "Awesome God" at Talent Show (09/20/2005)
NEWARK, NJ -- The American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey today announced that it is seeking to participate as a friend-of-the-court in the case of a second-grade student who was barred from singing a religious song in a voluntary, after-school talent show.

ACLU of New Jersey Successfully Defends Right of Religious Expression by Jurors (12/22/2004)
NEWARK, NJ-- The State Supreme Court ruled today that a prosecutor violated the New Jersey Constitution when he removed two jurors from a jury pool, one for wearing Muslim religious clothing and another for having engaged in missionary activity.

Following Threat of ACLU of Virginia Lawsuit, Officials to Agree Not to Ban Baptisms in Public Parks (06/03/2004)
RICHMOND, VA -- Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia, Falmouth Waterside Park Manager Brian Robinson has agreed not to prohibit baptisms in Stafford County, the ACLU announced today.

ACLU of Virginia Warns Park Officials Not to Discriminate Against Religious Groups (05/27/2004)
RICHMOND, VA -- Based on news accounts that a riverfront park in Stafford County has banned baptisms and may be limiting other religious activities, the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia said today that is has sent a letter to park officials seeking written assurances that religious expression will not be curtailed in the future.

After ACLU Intervention on Behalf of Christian Valedictorian, Michigan High School Agrees to Stop Censoring Religious Yearbook Entries (05/11/2004)
DETROIT - The American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan today announced an out-of-court settlement between the Utica Community School District and a local student over the censorship of her 2001 yearbook entry. The student's entry had been deleted from the yearbook because it contained a passage from the Bible.

Pennsylvania Superior Court Rules: Amish Can Stick With Reflective Tape on Buggies (10/21/2003)
PITTSBURGH -- The required display of orange triangles on their horse-drawn buggies is a thing of the past for Pennsylvania's Swartzentruber Amish after a panel of three Pennsylvania Superior Court judges ruled 2-1 today that the triangle is no longer the only legal means of calling attention to their buggies.


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onebadgungan: nikknaack1: theorellior: nikknaack1: Oh oh, I can has establishment clause flamewar!

Like I just posted in the Jefferson thread, I invite anyone who thinks the Founding Fathers intended this to be a fundamentalist Christian county to go buy a copy of the Jefferson Bible and see what he did there.

I in no way think they did. I however also don't believe they ment it to be taken the way we do today where no religious symbols shoulde be incorporated on public property. It was there to prevent what happened with that nice little King who got pissed at the Pope for telling him he couldn't keep getting divorced and married, and decided to just start his own church and forcing all those under him to follow it.

That being said, there is no way they ever invisioned the complexities of today's society and world, so trying to interpret it exaclty as they ment it doesn't serve much purpose either as it really doesn't directly apply very well. They were basing their thoughts on a mainly Christian society, and thus didn't have to be concerned with the issues of today.

Fail. Some were Protestants, some were Deists, I believe there was at least one or two atheists or agnostics.

I believe someone else already pointed you in the direction of Jefferson's Bible, or any of his further writing on the subject.

I didn't say the Founding Fathers were all Christian, I said the society was mainly christian, which it was. And that point was only made to say that they didn't have a frame of reference for today's society. Take your fail and lack of reading comprehension and stick it up your ass.

my father in law used to forward stuff like this to me. I've gotten him check Snopes, which has put an end to it....

farking communist.

InfernalCatfish: Am I seriously the only one that gets the joke of the headline? Seriously?

possibly, but i don't think muslins use uids

jjorsett: After their relentless crusade (irony intended) against religiosity in other contexts, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the ACLU was trying to eliminate it in military cemetaries. Nice to know that it isn't true. I hasten to add, though, 'yet'.



"What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires... If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way." - Betrand Russell

Speaking as a liberal tree-hugging atheist, I wish the ACLU would stop farking protecting me and start respecting the rights of people who haven't hammered anybody over the head with their beliefs.

I feel weird nitpicking Snopes, but Snopes points out the fact that the picture included with the false rumor is of a cemetery in Europe, as though that would be beyond U.S. control. In fact American military cemeteries are permanent territorial concessions by the host country to the U.S. and are administered by the U.S. government.

Religion LAWL alakazam!!!

You guys know Snopes is really a big scam perpetuated by the ACLU, right? They selectively debunk myths that don't have anything to do with them, but then lie about the ones that do.

knikknaack1: I in no way think they did. I however also don't believe they ment it to be taken the way we do today where no religious symbols shoulde be incorporated on public property

Well, actually.... If you look into it, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe all served as the governing body of the University of Virginia. They did not allow a chapel to be built on the grounds of the university and refused to allow the university to offer studies in the field of theology. Jefferson originally proposed the University's founding, based on the notion that there had to be an alternative to the state's first college - William and Mary, which was primarily a religious institution at the time. Jefferson was quite clear that the UVa was to be non-religious and refused during his tenure on the governing board to allow for any religious events to take place on university grounds or the display of religious symbols.

I would think that pretty strong evidence that at least 3 of the founding fathers found the notion that a government institution/property should not be in the business of allowing religious activity or serve as a place for display of religious symbols. The university did invite any interested religious group to buy land nearby the university and set up their own facilities, but they kept the two completely separate.

knoxvelour: Those IUDs are serious business. Our troops are getting killed or wounded every day with those things blowing up on the roadsides

Think of how the women feel!

Its_A_Tarp: People who believe in and/or forward chain e-mails need to be sterilized.

/totally serious

THIS. At work yesterday, I received an email forward from someone which was biatching about how Pepsi is releasing a patriotic themed can that has the pledge on it, but leaves out the "under God" part. Why the fark should I care what a soda company decides to print on their product?

If I had all the time in the world, I would personally cockpunch everyone who has ever forwarded a chain email. There's a special place in hell for whoever came up with that idea in the first place.

Bathia_Mapes: Do you know the article says this is "false"?

Apparently the definition of irony has become so watered down that people no longer recognize the real thing when they read it.

Skail

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What's Lincoln got to do with it?

;)

Chain letters can be viewed as a sort of organism, subject to natural selection. In order to propagate they need to successfully convince the reader to help them replicate and then send those duplicates to more people. A chain letter with dull content will not compel anyone to help it replicate, and even those with content sufficiently stirring to merit replication will eventually be out-competed by more compelling rivals.

There are a number of interesting cases where chain letter mutation was witnessed. The original chain letter told to sad tale of a nine year old boy with cancer who needed money for treatments. It asked that the recipient of the letter mail back $1, copy the letter and then send it to two friends. The originator of the chain letter received a small trickle of cash first, but then it began to increase and finally he could not longer handle the deluge. What he discovered had happened is that along the way, a few clever individuals had altered elements of the letter, making the child younger (4 instead of 9) and female rather than male and making the condition more dire than the original letter had claimed. Eventually these variants had completely replaced the original as they were more successful at convincing readers to replicate and propagate them. The letter had evolved.

The point is that these letters, given enough time, will evolve into forms that are the most compelling to their target audience, necessarily the most gullible readers (which in a sense occupy the role of 'prey' in this model).

Based on this chain mail and others of a similar nature that we've all gotten in our inboxes, I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions.

vertiaset: DistendedPendulusFrenulum

jjorsett: After their relentless crusade (irony intended) against religiosity in other contexts, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the ACLU was trying to eliminate it in military cemetaries. Nice to know that it isn't true. I hasten to add, though, 'yet'.

Hey stupid, I know you probably won't look, but. . .

Awesome list, I'll bet it surprises a lot of people here. Too bad you couldn't have posted it without insulting the other guy, but, hey this is Fark.

It's really too bad people believe a lot of baloney they get from the Liberal Bashing Industry. Perhaps I could amend it to Stupid-By-Choice, but what the hell--they'll never get around to actually reading the list anyway. Too threatening to their presuppositions.

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Thorak: Last One Left: Now you're being ridiculous.

Of course he is. If he were eaten by a T-rex, he couldn't have single-handedly stopped an alien invasion with a computer virus.

O.K., now you're just stupid. It was stopped by the Doberman, who was choking on the white alligators swimming through the sewers of New York. You dummies can't even get the story straight.

I was strongly encouraged to make a donation on last years combined federal campaign. I do not normally have a problem with it, and traditionally I give a small amount to the smithsonian, because its pretty much the coolest place ever. Unfortunately I was piqued by the level of encouragement (nothing illegal, just irritating) to donate by my superiors, so I added a small contribution to the ACLU. Unfortunately the symbolic gesture was lost on them.

thac0: I've submitted shiat-tons of links to this little freakshow, and I've had exactly one get the green light. How the fark did this get through?

Hey, Total Farkers, what are you guys doing behind the curtain today, snorting coke off of Drew's treasure trail?

TFers have nothing to do with what goes green or red. That's entirely up to the admins.

I was once defended by the ACLU, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/gen/10975prs20040227.html

I was recently informed by commenters on my forums that Snopes is a Lieburul Tool and can't be trusted.

We are THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS PEOPLE.

Yes Sound: Unfortunately I was piqued by the level of encouragement (nothing illegal, just irritating) to donate by my superiors, so I added a small contribution to the ACLU.

I donated some money to the ACLU. and got back a nice membership card with my name misspelled. By the time the error was corrected, I had a dozen solicitations in the mail for various other causes with the same misspelling. Now, I get at least two solicitations a week with my name spelled properly. I think they sell their donor list. No more money for them, I didn't agree to that shiat.

what_now: Sgt Otter:

Hey- Happy 4th of July. Hopefully, you don't see any fireworks today!!
:D

Heh. I've been back from Iraq for awhile now.

"Like I just posted in the Jefferson thread,...."

Yeah, because there's only one founding father and Jefferson is it.
/rollseyes

I donated some money to the ACLU. and got back a nice membership card with my name misspelled. By the time the error was corrected, I had a dozen solicitations in the mail for various other causes with the same misspelling. Now, I get at least two solicitations a week with my name spelled properly. I think they sell their donor list. No more money for them, I didn't agree to that shiat.

Fortuntely since I gave through the governments charity program and did not release my name, I am pretty sure that they have no idea who I am.

Sun God: There are no Navy chaplains in foxholes.

No, but they will be as close behind the action as they can be. (at least, the ones attached to marine units). All the chaplains I have encountered have more balls than me, I for one would really rather go into harms way carrying a rifle than religious text of choice. I have had a range of chaplains from southern baptist to muslim, and I respect every one I run into.

Yes Sound: Sun God: There are no Navy chaplains in foxholes.

No, but they will be as close behind the action as they can be. (at least, the ones attached to marine units). All the chaplains I have encountered have more balls than me, I for one would really rather go into harms way carrying a rifle than religious text of choice. I have had a range of chaplains from southern baptist to muslim, and I respect every one I run into.

Must be nice. Ours was a dickhead who only left the FOB to annoy the living shiat out of us, by standing around and saying "hot enough for ya?" while we filled sandbags at our Combat Outpost.

Oh, and he completely made up shiat about the guys we lost during their memorials.

You know, if you're going to make up some bullshiat story about how the staunch Irish Catholic was going to convert to Southern Baptist, you might want to pronounce his name right. I mean, after all, you had those "deep, conversations that lasted for hours about wanting to convert."

The ACLU is to Freedom-loving people, what PETA is to animal lovers. Good intentions done in a horribly stupid way.

If anyone doubts that there is a percentage of aclu members whose wet dreams are made up of the list above, I have news for you. All in good time.

What annoys me about the ACLU, is how they lobbied for and received the right to make a profit from suing on behalf of others. This meant that they now go around the US looking for potential lawsuits that, if they win, they can collect healthy lawyers fees.

In practice, some high school kid objects to an after school Bible reading club at his high school. So the ACLU steps in, and threatens to sue the school, unless the school disbands the club and settles with them for $50,000. Otherwise, if they sue the school and win, they can demand $100,000 from the school to pay their lawyers.

These lawsuits happen continually around the country, and are never permanently resolved, so this makes a great cash cow for the ACLU.

InfernalCatfish: Am I seriously the only one that gets the joke of the headline? Seriously?

crap
well I certainly dont get it
please help ?!

mizchief
The ACLU is to Freedom-loving people, what PETA is to animal lovers. Good intentions done in a horribly stupid way.

No, the ACLU is nothing like PETA. The ACLU has a "PR problem" in that Rush Limbaugh and others like him use the ACLU as a bugaboo to scare right wing Christians.

\PR problem = problem that you can't detect propaganda when you hear it
\\met Christian Texans in Italy of all places, they only wanted to talk about their martyrdom at the hands of the ACLU

Sgt Otter: Must be nice. Ours was a dickhead who only left the FOB to annoy the living shiat out of us, by standing around and saying "hot enough for ya?" while we filled sandbags at our Combat Outpost.

Oh, and he completely made up shiat about the guys we lost during their memorials.

You know, if you're going to make up some bullshiat story about how the staunch Irish Catholic was going to convert to Southern Baptist, you might want to pronounce his name right. I mean, after all, you had those "deep, conversations that lasted for hours about wanting to convert."

That sucks. Our current one does a very good job of seperating his religious beliefs from the ones of the people he is working with. I would be pissed off if ours tried to pull that shiat.