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(YouTube) Video Obama's open and transparent Press Secretary, Robert Gibbs, gets owned by CBS' Chip Reid and Hearst's Helen Thomas. Which isn't really a fair fight since she's 89 years old and has covered every President since Kennedy   (youtube.com) divider line 86
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DistendedPendulusFrenulum 2009-07-03 08:09:00 AM  
Well, good on them

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Tor_Eckman [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 08:22:12 AM  
OMFG! A WH press secretary fighting with the press!!!

Yawn.

 
Erebus1954 2009-07-03 08:24:31 AM  
She's always been a conservative hack anyway.

Oh, wait...

 
Tenebreux 2009-07-03 08:30:43 AM  
I wonder if this means the Right Wing will take Helen Thomas off the "Liberal Women vs Conservative Women" chart-thing.

 
Umokay 2009-07-03 08:31:23 AM  
In my opinion, Gibbs seems like a smarmy ass who deserves to be humiliated whenever opportunities arise. It is the constant giggling and the overwhelming condescension that speaks volumes about this guy and the administration that allows him to continue being its voice.

 
jcooli09 2009-07-03 08:32:07 AM  
They were right, too. Obama promised a level of transperency that we haven't seen yet, and it's disapointing.

 
cfish78 2009-07-03 08:33:50 AM  
gibbs needs a good beeeatch slap.

 
CanisNoir [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 08:35:39 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
/Hot like Dana Pereno

I made fun of Thomas when she cackled at the Bush administration, I must be consistent. I'm happy to see it because it means the honeymoon is over.

 
Astralwand 2009-07-03 08:40:50 AM  
Since this is the second thread on the exact same topic from yesterday I will just cut and paste my response.


"Are you guys retarded, the white house wanted a question from the Iranian people, they knew the huffington post was in contact with people in the Iranian population and asked them to field a question from them. This is just a case of the old media getting it's panties in a wad because some blog got to ask the second question.

Have you ever listened to the questions Jeff Ganon asked Bush, compared to the actually hard questions proposed by the Huffington post, you would freaking laugh at this crap."

 
Phil Herup 2009-07-03 08:41:01 AM  
"I am painful to watch. It actually hurts to watch me on TV"

www.topnews.in

 
Tyee 2009-07-03 08:46:28 AM  
And yet some believe that this administration is transparent, open and forthright.

Some people are easy to fool because they want to believe, or be fooled.

 
PumpUpDaFark 2009-07-03 08:47:29 AM  
cfish78: gibbs needs a good beeeatch slap.

No shiat. His constant giggling and acting like a twerp was getting pretty farking annoying.

 
Bartman66 2009-07-03 08:50:14 AM  
Thank god. I was beginning to wonder how long it would take for the B-B-Bush! crowd to weigh in. Under ten!!
Because we all know that Bush made Obama "forget" about his promise of being transparent.
Or maybe he just "changed" his mind?

 
Bolo Jungle [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 08:50:52 AM  
Nothing in this regard is as clumsy or awful as how the Bush team handled things, so everything looks better in comparison. But this is a legitimate point and, on the one hand, the Obama team are not living up to the expectations they set and, on the other, Gibbs is over-matched. Can't really think on his feet - and that is at the top of the list on his job description.

 
bwesb 2009-07-03 08:54:13 AM  
I'm as pro-Obama as they get but the reporters have a very valid point here.

 
Hetfield 2009-07-03 08:54:24 AM  
jcooli09: They were right, too. Obama promised a level of transperency that we haven't seen yet, and it's disapointing.

Indeed. And the smug attitude with which this issue keeps getting brushed away is aggravating.

 
log_jammin [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 08:54:41 AM  
Anyone else remember when political threads were more than people posting once or twice with a talking point then leave?

 
SomebodyElsesShoes 2009-07-03 08:54:43 AM  
Umokay: In my opinion, Gibbs seems like a smarmy ass who deserves to be humiliated whenever opportunities arise. It is the constant giggling and the overwhelming condescension that speaks volumes about this guy and the administration that allows him to continue being its voice.

Have you seen the other people in that room? Besides Thomas, the White House Press Corps is the smarmiest bunch of journalist/stenographers in existence, for god's sake, they got all pissed when one of them wasn't called for the second question in a press conference! Sometimes you get the press sec, you deserve, not the one you need.

 
apacheco 2009-07-03 08:56:42 AM  
she's hot

 
Astralwand 2009-07-03 08:59:52 AM  
log_jammin: Anyone else remember when political threads were more than people posting once or twice with a talking point then leave?

Are you going to post twice?

 
Astralwand 2009-07-03 09:07:10 AM  
Bartman66: Thank god. I was beginning to wonder how long it would take for the B-B-Bush! crowd to weigh in. Under ten!!
Because we all know that Bush made Obama "forget" about his promise of being transparent.
Or maybe he just "changed" his mind?


Hey if it's anything like the But Clinton crowd, your going to hear it for the next 9 years. Because people are blaming Gov. Stanford on Clinton at this point... :-p

 
ghare 2009-07-03 09:10:50 AM  
Umokay: In my opinion, Gibbs seems like a smarmy ass who deserves to be humiliated whenever opportunities arise. It is the constant giggling and the overwhelming condescension that speaks volumes about this guy and the administration that allows him to continue being its voice.

Pfft. Idiots deserve nothing BUT condescension. Treating braindead retards like their opinions matter just encourages tham and confuses others.

Bullshiat needs to be treated like bullshiat: Sneered at, laughed at, and called out for bullshiat.

 
Tyee 2009-07-03 09:10:59 AM  
The people deserve the openness promised them in the campaign. We all know that a politician will make promises that they can't keep but it is usually because of political opposition, in this case Obama's opposition wants him to be as transparent as he promised. The lack of transparency is self regulated by him and his administration, they are playing the people for fools.

 
Cat Food Sandwiches 2009-07-03 09:11:23 AM  
Obama can't think on his feet and needs planted questions. End of story.

 
log_jammin [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 09:14:01 AM  
Yes. Maybe one more time too just to show I'm cooler than average.

 
badhatharry 2009-07-03 09:20:31 AM  
They are just pissed that Rahm slipped a blogger into the press room with are pre-written question. They could care less about transparency. They just don't want their territory invaded.

 
generaltimmy 2009-07-03 09:27:45 AM  
badhatharry: They are just pissed that Rahm slipped a blogger into the press room with are pre-written question. They could care less about transparency. They just don't want their territory invaded.

Well, Rahm-mel did learn under the tutelage of mayor Daley and Obama under Emil Jones. It is "da Chicago Way". Pretty soon, they will be tearing down Dulles and making it into a park and trying to get the dumb ass Olympics.

 
jcooli09 2009-07-03 09:27:53 AM  
Astralwand: Since this is the second thread on the exact same topic from yesterday I will just cut and paste my response.


"Are you guys retarded, the white house wanted a question from the Iranian people, they knew the huffington post was in contact with people in the Iranian population and asked them to field a question from them. This is just a case of the old media getting it's panties in a wad because some blog got to ask the second question.

Have you ever listened to the questions Jeff Ganon asked Bush, compared to the actually hard questions proposed by the Huffington post, you would freaking laugh at this crap."


Agreed, we have an improvement over the constant stream of lies from the last administration. Also, bush clearly preselected the reporters he called on, and he was very selective about people in attendance when he appeared in public.

But bush was a steaming pile of dung who shouldn't be used as a yardstick except to measure fail.

While it's too early to judge Obama's overall success, he could and should be doing better in this area.

 
mat catastrophe 2009-07-03 09:27:55 AM  
Astralwand: Since this is the second thread on the exact same topic from yesterday I will just cut and paste my response.


"Are you guys retarded, the white house wanted a question from the Iranian people, they knew the huffington post was in contact with people in the Iranian population and asked them to field a question from them. This is just a case of the old media getting it's panties in a wad because some blog got to ask the second question.

Have you ever listened to the questions Jeff Ganon asked Bush, compared to the actually hard questions proposed by the Huffington post, you would freaking laugh at this crap."


At least the Old Media makes some pretense of not being in bed with the government.

I'm not sure you understand what the White House Press Office did and probably you aren't even aware of what they are being accused of doing in this video. It's called Managing the News and/or Manufacturing Consent. You've probably heard of that last term, some really smart guy and his pal wrote a book on it.

The hoopla is not that the Huffington Post got the second question. It isn't that they ask "hard questions" and the Old Media doesn't (which isn't always true). It is that the White House pre-selected that reporter and his question and gave him foreknowledge and even escorted him to his seat, etc etc etc. It doesn't matter if the question is of substance or if it was a Jeff Gannon softball, it is still the Press and the Government colluding to present a point of view outside of any critical commentary.

Which is what the Obama Administration apparently wants. I mean, seriously, "email your questions to us"?

A town hall meeting is not a town hall meeting if there are gatekeepers in place to keep out the rabble, whether they are on the problem causing far right or the problem causing far left. It becomes a pep rally, just like in high school when they put all the trouble makers in detention before putting all the "good children" in the gym to exercise some good old fashioned Fourth Reich groupthink.

And a White House press conference does not serve the public if all the questions are pre-screened and approved. Sure, maybe they would still ask softball questions but at least there would be a chance of a Helen Thomas holding someone's feet to the fire.

 
BeatrixK 2009-07-03 09:28:04 AM  
I'm biased...this is the guy who PWNED Hannity on Hannity's show. I can, and always will *heart* him for that...even if he steamrolls over a litter of puppies while asssmacking a unicorn.

 
wmanning833 2009-07-03 09:31:23 AM  
Yes, they are making a valid point, but not for the reasons we're all hoping. This is the spoiled child not getting what they want when they want it. They don't care about transparency, they care about their ability to make themselves part of the news stories.

ABC News is the golden child as it gets to work from the Blue Room to help craft and package the news on the healthcare plan. Helen Thomas and CBS News: "Why not us? Doesn't He love us, too?"

 
crab66 2009-07-03 09:34:47 AM  
When is the last time we had a press secretary who wasn't a lying douche?

I am pretty sure it's in the job description.

 
badhatharry 2009-07-03 09:35:17 AM  
These "town hall" meetings are always set-up. They don't just let any wacko get up and ask a question. McCain actually tried that and some idiot accused Obama of being a secret muslim. The White House press room is a different story.

 
freddie freeloader 2009-07-03 09:37:17 AM  
Gibbs: We can have this discussion ad nauseam...
Thomas: Of course we can, because you don't have any answers.
Gibbs: (giggling)

What an asshole.

 
Hetfield 2009-07-03 09:39:03 AM  
BeatrixK: I'm biased...this is the guy who PWNED Hannity on Hannity's show.

Link?

 
Lolthien 2009-07-03 09:39:56 AM  
Tyee: And yet some believe that this administration is transparent, open and forthright.

Some people are easy to fool because they want to believe, or be fooled.


Christ, I was coming in here to say that even as an Obama supporter I am severely saddened to see this pre-selection is still going on. And then you had to go and fark that all up by saying the delusional rantings of anti-obama nutjobs are the ONLY people not completely snowed by all things democratic.

Christ, just shut the fark up.

 
terriblist 2009-07-03 09:41:02 AM  
badhatharry: They are just pissed that Rahm slipped a blogger into the press room with are pre-written question. They could care less about transparency. They just don't want their territory invaded.

They're conflating the two issues because their egos are so huge, and Gibbs is exploiting that because he's paid to be an asshole.

 
poorcku 2009-07-03 09:50:58 AM  
terriblist: They're conflating the two issues because their egos are so huge, and Gibbs is exploiting that because he's paid to be an asshole


yeah, those pesky journalists.

 
badhatharry 2009-07-03 09:56:23 AM  
poorcku: terriblist: They're conflating the two issues because their egos are so huge, and Gibbs is exploiting that because he's paid to be an asshole


yeah, those pesky journalists.


Do you really think that she just now figured out that town hall meetings have pre-screened questions? Do you really think they are just now realizing that they are puppets used by the administration? They are letting the White House know that they are the puppet master and Gibbs is the puppet.

 
terriblist 2009-07-03 10:01:17 AM  
poorcku: terriblist: They're conflating the two issues because their egos are so huge, and Gibbs is exploiting that because he's paid to be an asshole


yeah, those pesky journalists.


Hey man, I'm a journalist myself, but I have more respect for Nico at HuffPo than most of them. The "he got a call before the press conference" is a non-issue. Who cares? He's a journalist; he presumably would have been prepared to ask a question regardless; and he asked a question tough enough that Obama felt the need to dodge it. If elite Washington reporters had their emotions in check a bit more, they could ignore that incident and more strongly press Gibbs on the details of the town hall meeting.

 
brigid_fitch [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 10:05:29 AM  
mat catastrophe: It is that the White House pre-selected that reporter and his question and gave him foreknowledge and even escorted him to his seat, etc etc etc. It doesn't matter if the question is of substance or if it was a Jeff Gannon softball, it is still the Press and the Government colluding to present a point of view outside of any critical commentary.

Which is what the Obama Administration apparently wants. I mean, seriously, "email your questions to us"?


That's not entirely true. I heard Chris Dodd on NPR after that & he said that the Obama administration does kinda pre-select the reporters by telling them an hour or so ahead of time that they MAY be called on and are simply asked to make their questions relevant.

In the case of Nico Pitney, the administration had been getting most of their information from his live blogging on Iran. A White House staffer called Nico to thank him for his work & ASKED if he was going to be at the press conference. Even when he showed up, they still never guaranteed he'd be called on.

From Nico's blog: I received a call from White House staff saying they had seen what I'd written and thought the President might be interested in receiving a question directly from an Iranian.

The White House didn't guarantee that I would be able to ask a question. But I decided that if there was even a chance, I should try to reach out to as many Iranians as possible.
(new window)

As for emailing the questions, that option was up for a couple of days on Obama's Facebook page, at the very least. I know I got that message on there. So some WH staffers slog through thousands of questions and choose the most relevant. Obama doesn't see the questions and none of them were softballs, anyway.

All I see in this video is a lot of whining and 2 reporters trying to manufacture controversy. No other president has invited questions from the internet before, so now it's under attack? What would you rather have--a few people in VA asking questions because they could make the town hall or taking questions from all over? I think the latter would be a better representation of the population. Maybe that defeats the purpose of calling it a "town hall meeting", but then you're just arguing semantics.

 
Spanky_McFarksalot 2009-07-03 10:08:18 AM  
Gibbs is such a douchebag, if this was happening under bush you wouldn't hear the end of it.

 
mat catastrophe 2009-07-03 10:09:46 AM  
terriblist: poorcku: terriblist: They're conflating the two issues because their egos are so huge, and Gibbs is exploiting that because he's paid to be an asshole


yeah, those pesky journalists.

Hey man, I'm a journalist blogger myself, but I have more respect for Nico at HuffPo than most of them. The "he got a call before the press conference" is a non-issue. Who cares? He's a journalist blogger; he presumably would have been prepared to ask a question regardless; and he asked a question tough enough that Obama felt the need to dodge it. If elite Washington reporters had their emotions in check a bit more, they could ignore that incident and more strongly press Gibbs on the details of the town hall meeting.


FTFY.

Also, what kind of journalist writes a sentence with two semicolons?

 
apacheco 2009-07-03 10:13:57 AM  
Spanky_McFarksalot: Gibbs is such a douchebag, if this was happening under bush you wouldn't hear the end of it.

===================================

Give him a few more years to catch up to the bush administration.

 
elfletcho 2009-07-03 10:34:25 AM  
wtg fark. this was like a week ago on every other site. gj.

 
Bartman66 2009-07-03 10:35:22 AM  
Astralwand 2009-07-03 09:07:10 AM
Bartman66: Thank god. I was beginning to wonder how long it would take for the B-B-Bush! crowd to weigh in. Under ten!!
Because we all know that Bush made Obama "forget" about his promise of being transparent.
Or maybe he just "changed" his mind?

Hey if it's anything like the But Clinton crowd, your going to hear it for the next 9 years. Because people are blaming Gov. Stanford on Clinton at this point... :-p


you are right. That is just as stupid as people for 8yrs crying about how Bush is not my pres and he stole the election etc.... and then now get "offended" when someone says that they don't like Obama's policy.
But any elected official (or anyone in that matter) tries to blame someone else for their own stupid actions is getting what they derserve. I am tired of the "who crapped in my pants" cry from people who get busted doing something they should not of been doing in the first place and they KNEW IT.

 
terriblist 2009-07-03 10:38:18 AM  
mat catastrophe: terriblist: poorcku: terriblist: They're conflating the two issues because their egos are so huge, and Gibbs is exploiting that because he's paid to be an asshole


yeah, those pesky journalists.

Hey man, I'm a journalist blogger myself, but I have more respect for Nico at HuffPo than most of them. The "he got a call before the press conference" is a non-issue. Who cares? He's a journalist blogger; he presumably would have been prepared to ask a question regardless; and he asked a question tough enough that Obama felt the need to dodge it. If elite Washington reporters had their emotions in check a bit more, they could ignore that incident and more strongly press Gibbs on the details of the town hall meeting.

FTFY.

Also, what kind of journalist writes a sentence with two semicolons?


You really want to get into this with me? Not that I care much about the distinction between print and online journalism, but I've written several cover stories for a few (quite small!) national print magazines, along with countless shorter articles. By this point in my career I know that yes, you can string three independent clauses together using two semicolons.

What's your angle here? Just being a dick for fun?

 
CanisNoir [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 10:51:27 AM  
terriblist: You really want to get into this with me? Not that I care much about the distinction between print and online journalism, but I've written several cover stories for a few (quite small!) national print magazines, along with countless shorter articles. By this point in my career I know that yes, you can string three independent clauses together using two semicolons.

What's your angle here? Just being a dick for fun?


prsvr.com
/Hot like your Grammatical rage ;P

//I happen to agree with your point though.

 
GanjSmokr 2009-07-03 11:15:13 AM  
This is completely Bush's fault. How could it be anyone else's?

 
mynameismark 2009-07-03 11:24:38 AM  
Obama supporter here. I agree 100% percent with the old bag and her peers on this one.

 
Lost Thought 00 2009-07-03 11:27:01 AM  
Gee, let me guess. The old media is pissed off that the most tech-savy administration is embracing the new media, thereby hastening the inevitable demise of their jobs.

Those briefings are by invitation only. Think about that. Every administration invites the reporters they want covering it. And then those same invited reporters have the gall to cry about an administration creating and manipulating the news?

 
Urbn 2009-07-03 11:31:08 AM  
Maybe if journalists would actually start doing their "job" and not asking stupid or irrelevant questions or ignore actual news, this wouldn't be an issue.

I don't have a problem with them being contacted ahead of time to tell them they may be chosen to ask a question, please make it relevant.

Having to see Obama answer a million questions about his stupid puppy is probably part of the reason this is happening. There are a lot of serious issues to discuss and all the press seems to care about is gossip.

Also, bloggers were the only people even covering Iran. None of the traditional media seemed to have anything to say about it other than what they were parroting from Iran's government-run Press TV. It was pathetic.

I think journalists are freaked out as they see themselves less and less relevant, and they don't seem to be as willing to put themselves in risky situations to get a story as reporters and journalists in the past were.

 
EngineerBob 2009-07-03 11:34:00 AM  
Watching the Press try and get a straight answer from Gibbs is very much like teaching a dog to whistle.

It ain't getting them anywhere,and it annoys the dog...

 
terriblist 2009-07-03 11:39:07 AM  
CanisNoir: terriblist: You really want to get into this with me? Not that I care much about the distinction between print and online journalism, but I've written several cover stories for a few (quite small!) national print magazines, along with countless shorter articles. By this point in my career I know that yes, you can string three independent clauses together using two semicolons.

What's your angle here? Just being a dick for fun?


/Hot like your Grammatical rage ;P

//I happen to agree with your point though.


Haha, I don't debate grammar unless someone else brings it up. (He started it!!!!!)

 
skykid 2009-07-03 12:11:51 PM  
What kinda of a stupid name is Nico Pitney?

 
godofusa.com 2009-07-03 12:14:52 PM  
img.photobucket.com

 
Semi-Sane 2009-07-03 12:18:03 PM  
I almost feel sorry for Obama supporters. They were gullible enough to fall for Obama's words of "change, hope, and transparency." At least being duped so thoroughly will give his supporters a very important lesson; maybe they will not be tricked so easily next time around.

 
Phil Herup 2009-07-03 12:30:01 PM  
Semi-Sane: I almost feel sorry for Obama supporters.



Don't be.

Feel sorry for America.

 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum 2009-07-03 12:30:22 PM  
Semi-Sane: I almost feel sorry for Obama supporters. They were gullible enough to fall for Obama's words of "change, hope, and transparency." At least being duped so thoroughly will give his supporters a very important lesson; maybe they will not be tricked so easily next time around.

I'm glad I voted for him. Imagine all this stuff happening on the watch of someone who would nominate Caribou Barbie.

.

 
Kyro [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 12:33:19 PM  
Cat Food Sandwiches: ObamaPresidens can't think on histheir feet and needs planted questions. End of story.

You're denser than Gibbs if you think any of our last dozen presidents didn't plant questions.

 
lordaction 2009-07-03 12:53:40 PM  
Umokay: In my opinion, Gibbs seems like a smarmy ass who deserves to be humiliated whenever opportunities arise. It is the constant giggling and the overwhelming condescension that speaks volumes about this guy and the administration that allows him to continue being its voice.

THIS +100

 
ebonic pickle 2009-07-03 12:55:36 PM  
The questions from the internet should not have been pre-selected for their relevance to health care.

"Where is your birth certificate Barry?" ad nauseam would have been very informative and useful to those watching the "town hall" interested in the health care debate.

With regards to Nico Pitney, Helen and Chip are just whiny whores.

 
Saiga410 2009-07-03 12:59:15 PM  
The only problem I have with Gibbs is that he appears less prepared and less able to think on his feet than Perino was. That is one short hurtle that he is unable to jump over.

 
DontBeSoDigital 2009-07-03 01:02:05 PM  
While pre-selecting questions does against the entire idea of transparency promised by Obama, it isn't like the Old Media have really been raising important issues or questions to begin with. It seems more like a case of sour grapes to me and the fact that the Old Media is going under and they know it.

 
NYZooMan 2009-07-03 01:42:59 PM  
But he's so well spoken.

 
justoneznot 2009-07-03 01:44:09 PM  
Robert Gibbs is a terrible choice for press secretary in Obama's administration. He just doesn't jive at all with the rest of brand. Obama's whole image is about being thoughtful, intelligent, and understanding, and then you have the press secretary - a complete 180 degrees from Obama, clowning around looking like an idiot and being a smart ass when the press is asking legitimate questions. I could definitely see Gibbs being Bush's press secretary, that would make a lot more sense. But not Obama's.

 
Zumaki 2009-07-03 01:45:21 PM  
I don't get it, this administration has much less to be worried about than the previous one, so this whole screening process seems to be a bunch of paranoia.

Astralwand: Since this is the second thread on the exact same topic from yesterday I will just cut and paste my response.


"Are you guys retarded, the white house wanted a question from the Iranian people, they knew the huffington post was in contact with people in the Iranian population and asked them to field a question from them. This is just a case of the old media getting it's panties in a wad because some blog got to ask the second question.

Have you ever listened to the questions Jeff Ganon asked Bush, compared to the actually hard questions proposed by the Huffington post, you would freaking laugh at this crap."



I guess you either didn't watch the video or you don't get it either. It isn't about the questions, it is about the idea that the administration is trying to control who gets to ask the questions, how the questions are asked, and have now gone so far as to take a town hall forum, which is supposed to be public, and made it invite-only. And Gibbs' "solution" of having reporters submit questions via email is bullshiat too, because that has to be one of the easiest ways to screen the questions and/or prepare canned responses to them. The idea behind transparent government should be to allow spontaneous,unexpected,and natural questions and answers of the same kind.

 
mynameismark 2009-07-03 01:49:28 PM  
Phil Herup: Semi-Sane: I almost feel sorry for Obama supporters.


Don't be.

Feel sorry for America.



I feel bad for America. Almost destroyed by 8 years of Bush, she is in bad shape. I am glad you can finally admit that.

 
Kyro [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 01:53:44 PM  
mynameismark: I feel bad for America. Almost destroyed by 8 years of Bush, she is in bad shape. I am glad you can finally admit that.

Could be worse: McCain could have won.

 
iaazathot 2009-07-03 01:53:59 PM  
Tor_Eckman: OMFG! A WH press secretary fighting with the press!!!

Yawn.


Well, at least he took questions. Bush's team tried to send her to the back of the room and would avoid her like the plague, because they were pussies.

 
iaazathot 2009-07-03 01:57:30 PM  
Tyee: And yet some believe that this administration is transparent, open and forthright.

Some people are easy to fool because they want to believe, or be fooled.


Ah, projection, it is the bane of the right.

 
bronyaur1 [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 02:12:58 PM  
Cat Food Sandwiches: Obama can't think on his feet and needs planted questions. End of story.

Yes, Obama is clearly dumber than the last President or you.

 
yesanded 2009-07-03 02:18:20 PM  
I'm just happy to see Larry Bird doing so well for himself.

 
RevMercutio [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 02:56:53 PM  
freddie freeloader: Gibbs: We can have this discussion ad nauseam...
Thomas: Of course we can, because you don't have any answers.
Gibbs: (giggling)

What an asshole.


To be fair, they weren't asking any actual questions. It was whining hyperbole.

Zumaki:

And Gibbs' "solution" of having reporters submit questions via email is bullshiat too, because that has to be one of the easiest ways to screen the questions and/or prepare canned responses to them. The idea behind transparent government should be to allow spontaneous,unexpected,and natural questions and answers of the same kind.

The "questions by e-mail" were for the town hall. And unless you want 5 people asking the same question or "He's an Arab." type bullshiat, it's a way to cut through the treacle.

I fail to see the transparency issues with this.

 
Killer Cars [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 03:05:35 PM  
RevMercutio: The "questions by e-mail" were for the town hall. And unless you want 5 people asking the same question or "He's an Arab." type bullshiat, it's a way to cut through the treacle.

I fail to see the transparency issues with this.


Gibbs would've fared much better by saying "most screening is done to eliminate potentially inappropriate discourse in a public forum. But if you guys really want Obama to answer on 'whether or not he's a gay secret muslim' 400 times, alright then!"

While I'm mostly with you on this, the administration shot themselves them in the foot by screaming "TRANSPERENCY! OPENNESS!" a little too much. Simply saying "we'll embrace new media and different outlets to take in questions and discussion" would've sufficed, quite honestly.

 
mat catastrophe 2009-07-03 03:07:27 PM  
terriblist: mat catastrophe: terriblist: poorcku: terriblist: They're conflating the two issues because their egos are so huge, and Gibbs is exploiting that because he's paid to be an asshole


yeah, those pesky journalists.

Hey man, I'm a journalist blogger myself, but I have more respect for Nico at HuffPo than most of them. The "he got a call before the press conference" is a non-issue. Who cares? He's a journalist blogger; he presumably would have been prepared to ask a question regardless; and he asked a question tough enough that Obama felt the need to dodge it. If elite Washington reporters had their emotions in check a bit more, they could ignore that incident and more strongly press Gibbs on the details of the town hall meeting.

FTFY.

Also, what kind of journalist writes a sentence with two semicolons?

You really want to get into this with me? Not that I care much about the distinction between print and online journalism, but I've written several cover stories for a few (quite small!) national print magazines, along with countless shorter articles. By this point in my career I know that yes, you can string three independent clauses together using two semicolons.

What's your angle here? Just being a dick for fun?


I am obviously not being a dick for profit.

Also, I was totally yanking your chain. Bloggers don't know what the heck a semicolon does.

 
Killer Cars [TotalFark] 2009-07-03 03:09:54 PM  
I also assume the administration can spell "transparency" correctly. Blackberries have spellchecker applications, I believe.

 
mattyc 2009-07-03 03:28:25 PM  
SomebodyElsesShoes: Umokay: In my opinion, Gibbs seems like a smarmy ass who deserves to be humiliated whenever opportunities arise. It is the constant giggling and the overwhelming condescension that speaks volumes about this guy and the administration that allows him to continue being its voice.

Have you seen the other people in that room? Besides Thomas, the White House Press Corps is the smarmiest bunch of journalist/stenographers in existence, for god's sake, they got all pissed when one of them wasn't called for the second question in a press conference! Sometimes you get the press sec, you deserve, not the one you need.


And that invalidates the point they were making?
/I think not.

 
DistendedPendulusFrenulum 2009-07-03 03:32:15 PM  
Yeah, I'm smarmy and ALL OF FARKDOM worships me

!

 
Zumaki 2009-07-03 06:59:25 PM  
RevMercutio:

The "questions by e-mail" were for the town hall. And unless you want 5 people asking the same question or "He's an Arab." type bullshiat, it's a way to cut through the treacle.

I fail to see the transparency issues with this.


Well that's the joy of a town hall meeting: sometimes when you meet the public and let them ask questions, they're going to ask stupid questions. Public forum meetings are meant to be devoid of a screening process. I don't want to hear people ask stupid questions but if he's going to have a town hall meeting, he needs to do it right.

 
Curbstomp Jesus 2009-07-04 03:11:51 AM  
While screening questions in a "town hall" meeting might sound bad, you know the right-wing cons would be the first in line to ask questions about Obama's birth certificate or the secret muslim accustions. The Administration doesn't want to waste time with these kinds of idiots. They want to answer good, legitimate questions from educated minds.

 
Raptor_1.4G 2009-07-04 07:24:50 AM  
You thought I was joking when I was telling you Bush=Obama during the election. You got what you wanted, more war, a police state, and slavery to the Fed. Enjoy! Have a nice 4th of July.

/Ron Paul

 
Darth_Lukecash [TotalFark] 2009-07-04 08:13:19 AM  
Raptor_1.4G: You thought I was joking when I was telling you Bush=Obama during the election. You got what you wanted, more war, a police state, and slavery to the Fed. Enjoy! Have a nice 4th of July.

/Ron Paul


We didn't think you were joking, we just don't take you seriously.

 
Digitalstrange 2009-07-05 01:57:36 AM  
Bolo Jungle: Nothing in this regard is as clumsy or awful as how the Bush team handled things, so everything looks better in comparison. But this is a legitimate point and, on the one hand, the Obama team are not living up to the expectations they set and, on the other, Gibbs is over-matched. Can't really think on his feet - and that is at the top of the list on his job description.

Really? Actually its far worse, W threw a few plants in to make him look a little better- Obama is picking the whole crowd and handing out scripts. And Obama was the one who promised to do better.

Anything short of calling this appaling is hypocritical of an Obama supporter. It is a direct betrayal of everything he promised. My own outrage is well temopered by the fact that Im a cynic who expected just such a betrayal.

 
zekebullseye 2009-07-05 05:07:14 PM  
Cat Food Sandwiches: Obama can't think on his feet and needs planted questions. End of story.

This.

 
Palfas 2009-07-06 06:48:10 AM  
Sounds to me like the 'White House' invited some people and the college invited others and questions would be screened to remove the BS ones.

/manufactured controversy is lame

 
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