Well, it looks like the folks at RCP are pinin' for the 'good ol' days' when "Because F*CK YOU, that's why!!1!" was a valid reason to just up and invade a middle eastern country.

Apparently nuance is lost on these people.

About King's comment: Too bad RCP isn't a mouth piece of the Republican Party, nor known for their conservative stances.

Headline is absolutely correct: Obama has been disgraceful. He damned near refuses to contemn the dictators in Iran for killing people and does contemn the Honduran government for acting according to their Constitution in disposing of a president trying to setup himself for life long rule - his actions are specifically outlined in their Constitution and their Supreme Court took appropriate action.

Yet somehow this bothers Barry and Hilary along with the UN, Castro, Chavez and Ortega...

Are the pharmacies closed tonight or did some little turd run out of hard liquor ?

The fark it is. We don't have to stare down a superpower armed with enough nukes to wipe out all life on the planet. To say that a US president must be feared is just idiotic and the stance of a Cold Warrior who can't see a new world. Besides, we had a President who liked to 'scare' the rest of the world, and all it got was everyone to hate us, not be scared of us.

mfaby: does contemn the Honduran government for acting according to their Constitution in disposing of a president trying to setup himself for life long rule - his actions are specifically outlined in their Constitution and their Supreme Court took appropriate action.

Their constitution advocates immediate armed overthrow and installation of a new leader if the president tries to hold a referendum to amend that constitution?

That's hardcore.

weezbo 2009-07-03 12:54:55 AM
mfaby: does contemn the Honduran government for acting according to their Constitution in disposing of a president trying to setup himself for life long rule - his actions are specifically outlined in their Constitution and their Supreme Court took appropriate action.

Their constitution advocates immediate armed overthrow and installation of a new leader if the president tries to hold a referendum to amend that constitution?

That's hardcore.

Actually, it does. It states that if a president tries to amend the Constitution he is to instantly removed from office.

I KNOW!!!! Isn't that something. There is an article in the Christian Science Monitor today from a guy who was served for a number of years in the Honduran government. He explained it all; a very good article.

GAT_00 2009-07-03 12:37:55 AM
The fark it is. We don't have to stare down a superpower armed with enough nukes to wipe out all life on the planet. To say that a US president must be feared is just idiotic and the stance of a Cold Warrior who can't see a new world. Besides, we had a President who liked to 'scare' the rest of the world, and all it got was everyone to hate us, not be scared of us.

Yeah and guess what? Foreigners STILL don't like the U.S.

And Obama is being challanged by Iraq and NKorea, along with Russia (re: Georgia) so that's what wanting to be liked gets you: bullied.

The fact that you are more worried about how other nations 'feel' about the U.S. instead of what is best to keep this country strong shows your missed placed priorities.

mfaby: It states that if a president tries to amend the Constitution he is to instantly removed from office.

Do they have some legal means of amending the Constitution? Or is it just perfect the way it is?

I'll have to see if I can find that article.

weezbo: Their constitution advocates immediate armed overthrow and installation of a new leader if the president tries to hold a referendum to amend that constitution?

Look here (new window) and here. (new window) If these sources are accurate, it sounds pretty open and shut (although the use of "extra-constitutional" made me lol).

On the other hand, this (new window) seems to be saying it isn't so cut and dried.

I'm no expert on Honduran politics and I'm just starting to read up on it myself, but it all seems pretty interesting.

Great Metal Jesus: I'm no expert on Honduran politics and I'm just starting to read up on it myself, but it all seems pretty interesting.

Looks pretty wild to me. I think Obama's response is more of the "military takeovers aren't such a great idea" general variety than addressing the specific legalities and I wish we had some kind of indication that the ousted dude had requested exile in lieu of trial, but, yeah, this is a pretty bizarre state of affairs.

Ahhh...for the good old days of "DO IT OR WE'LL SHOOT YOUR CHILDREN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT!"

That's worked out so well for us, hasn't it?

It seems similar so far to the similar and recent cries, "What's Obama gonna do abou them pirates who done and gone and tooked that...they done whut? And they didn't tell US first?"

Things talked about most, exist least. I'm actually kind of glad to have a President that doesn't reach for the stick first and foremost. Sometimes you get a few more bees with honey, than taking a damn flamethrower to them...

"It is one thing for a president to be liked, but in a dangerous world...it is better that an American president be feared."

Never minding the percentage of these dictators and the states that we've supported that have turned on us the moment we abandoned them. Which has been a big problem with the blow back from our policy of being feared and supporting less than democratic states because they were better than the Red Scare...

No, in a dangerous world it is better that he be liked. And, as a bonus, respected.

mfaby: About King's comment: Too bad RCP isn't a mouth piece of the Republican Party, nor known for their conservative stances.

Headline is absolutely correct: Obama has been disgraceful. He damned near refuses to contemn the dictators in Iran for killing people and does contemn the Honduran government for acting according to their Constitution in disposing of a president trying to setup himself for life long rule - his actions are specifically outlined in their Constitution and their Supreme Court took appropriate action.

Yet somehow this bothers Barry and Hilary along with the UN, Castro, Chavez and Ortega...

Obama gets up and screams about how the Iranian leaders are murderers, and the state Iranian television plays him over and over and over, with a few helpful edits and translations. The people won't hear the nuance; they will hear an America calling Iranians barbarians.

Don't you farking get it? Do they hate each other? Yes. Do they hate us more? Yes. This was a no-win scenario and our President handled it as deftly as he could.

Thank God you people have been reduced to a regional party.

Oh, oops, ... Cal Thomas?

Phfffttt.

BuckTurgidson: No, in a dangerous world it is better that he be liked. And, as a bonus, respected.

All three would be best yet.

you know who else thought fear was the best diplomacy?

Guess I should beat my kids with a stick. I'd rather be respected but I guess its better if they just fear me.

OK, I'm starting to get WHARRGARBL burnout.

Are they going to give it a rest any time soon, or are we doomed to hear this bullshiat until the 2010 elections are over? I have enough to biatch about re: Obama without these farkwits thrashing about and howling because OMG A BLACK GUY IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HE MUST BE A FOREIGN PUSSY MUSLIM PEACENIK COMMUNIST DICTATOR.fark off already

Nope, nope, I don't WANT to have a mass-murdering farkhead for a leader. We had one of those already, never again.

Got to admit though; either is a welcome change from having an American president that's just ridiculed, like the last one.

the wrong people saying you're wrong has a better batting average than the right people saying you're right.

heap: the wrong people saying you're wrong has a better batting average than the right people saying you're right.

+1 cromulence

GAT_00: The fark it is. We don't have to stare down a superpower...

*Yawn*

Russia

China

/maybe not in that order
//takes another slug of coffee

I didn't read the article, RCP is a known slanted blog, but I will address the point of the headline.

One thing I find interesting is that there does appear to be a rift appearing between Hillary and Obama.
Hot Air from Yesterday with internal links (new window)

I liked Hillary for the job because I saw her as more of a Hawk than Obama, and it seems I might have been right. I wish he would let her take the lead in Foreign policy.

The other thing I noticed that is really starting to annoy me. Obama seems to be "deeply concerned" about damn near everything which diminishes the word quite a bit.

So, these people who say that the US president should make other people scared of him, are they the same ones who insist that the US is a force for good and a shining beacon of freedom and democracy?

I would rather we not police the world and mind our own farking business. Sticking our head into Iran would only make things worse. Unless we are planning on actively supporting a group then we need to shut the fark up and let them deal with their own issues. I know Republicans want to spread freedom(and by freedom I mean Christianity) but most of us don't really like unnecessary wars.

I have throughout my life always found that fear is never the best motivator and that it is not the same thing as respect.

That sentiment seems to be absent in the apocalyptic wingnut crowd. This is nothing more than egomaniacal bullshiat from the same people that took us into Iraq.


Cock waving shoot first and ask questions later stupidity. These people don't give a shiat about the sick and poor here. Why are they suddenly so concerned about whats going on the world? They have not cared for the past 8 years so why now? Oh that's right it's a convenient excuse to attack Obama becuase he is not so easy to attack without looking like a douche.


Complete. farking. Morons.

The enimies of the US are so happy that naive Obama is in the White House now.

Bad_Seed: So, these people who say that the US president should make other people scared of him, are they the same ones who insist that the US is a force for good and a shining beacon of freedom and democracy?

Nope, they're the people that realize political power exists at the end of a barrel.

Bad_Seed: So, these people who say that the US president should make other people scared of him, are they the same ones who insist that the US is a force for good and a shining beacon of freedom and democracy?

Are you trying to say we're not? Do you forget that having troops on both borders of Iran forced them back to the diplomatic table at one point in time because they were worried we might invade?

But you're right, the way to promote peace and US interests is to demonstrate total weakness.

CanisNoir: Hot Air from Yesterday with internal links

You'll have to forgive me, but I don't think I'm going to buy into an 'insight' garnered by not only:

1. Hot Air (lol)
2. Conservawhatsits, who frothed for farking years about how much they hated Hilary
3. You

Troll elsewhere, we can do without yours and Hot Airs' concern.

Bad_Seed: So, these people who say that the US president should make other people scared of him, are they the same ones who insist that the US is a force for good and a shining beacon of freedom and democracy?

Either that, or they look to Conan the Barbarian for political advice..

"Conan, what is best in life?"

CanisNoir: I didn't read the article, RCP is a known slanted blog, but I will address the point of the headline.

you then proceed to link to a Hot Air piece after disparaging RCP for being biased?

Hypocrite much?

Sonny agrees with Subby's headline.

Thnk you, oh Fark gods, for giving Really Clearly Bullshiat its own tag, so I may not give them clickety-clicks or waste my time.

Ramen.

"It is one thing for a president to be liked, but in a dangerous world...it is better that an American president be feared."

Well, the Right's terrified of him, so there's that.

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: OK, I'm starting to get WHARRGARBL burnout.

Are they going to give it a rest any time soon, or are we doomed to hear this bullshiat until the 2010 elections are over? I have enough to biatch about re: Obama without these farkwits thrashing about and howling because OMG A BLACK GUY IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE HE MUST BE A FOREIGN PUSSY MUSLIM PEACENIK COMMUNIST DICTATOR.fark off already

NAh, Obama won't be out for over 7 years, and then we'll have 8 years of President Franken. You might as well just get used to it. Or go ahead and put the brain dead whaarrgaarblers on ignore and move on.

Phil Herup: It is better to be liked!!!

Obama!!1!!!Harvard!!!1!!

HARVARD!!!

HARVARD!!!

Rann Xerox: Sonny agrees with Subby's headline.

I loved that scene.

crab66: I would rather we not police the world and mind our own farking business. Sticking our head into Iran would only make things worse. Unless we are planning on actively supporting a group then we need to shut the fark up and let them deal with their own issues. I know Republicans want to spread freedom(and by freedom I mean Christianity) but most of us don't really like unnecessary wars.

That alone should have been a disqualifying statement, I'll still deal with the point of your post. Do you honestly think that if we had done nothing after 9/11 that Islamic Fundamentalists would just sit home and pray? Or do you not count those that died at American soft targets over seas? We're not "Policing the world" as you call it, we're giving those who would seek to harm us regardless of what we do, a hard target to attack. Embassy workers and people in clubs don't fight back; the US Military will engage and kill your ass.

/Anyone who doesn't think those from every country are in some way saving the life of Civilians is an idiot and deserves to be called one.

If I may interject...

Sooner or later terrorists are going to get a nuclear weapon or other WMD. Considering the open state of our borders, getting this weapon into the U.S. is physically possible.

Our best defense is that an informer tips us off when this occurs. And being liked and respected increases the likelihood that we will be informed. If we are hated and feared, then any informer might feel that we deserve to be bombed. Being liked and respected also reduces the chance that someone wishes to attack us in the first place.

Terrorists ARE NOT going to be deterred by fear. They are motivated by it. Feared and hatred will get us killed.

Hobodeluxe: you then proceed to link to a Hot Air piece after disparaging RCP for being biased?

Hot Air is also known to be slanted, but less so than RCP. It's bias is why I plainly noted the source of the article as well as the embedded links should people chose to verify Hot Airs source.

Lack a valid point often?

CanisNoir: Are you trying to say we're not?

Why could possibly deny such a thing? It would be sacrilege!

Do you forget that having troops on both borders of Iran forced them back to the diplomatic table at one point in time because they were worried we might invade?

Yes, I did forget about that. I remember how the Iranians provided intelligence on Taliban positions during the Afghan war, which helped the bombing campaign. It's almost as if they liked the idea of the US removing one of their enemies and wanted to offer some help.

I also learned that they offered to do the same during the Iraq war, but were turned down. This is about the point at which they wanted to come "back to the diplomatic table", but were also ignored. A few months later they were singled out as being part of the "Axis of Evil" and did start to fear invasion. In response they ramped up their nuclear programme and started arming the Shiite insurgency, you know, fighting them over there.

Overall, they have been the single biggest winner in the Iraq war. So yes, politics of intimidation have worked out well so far. They are also completely compatible with claim that the country is a force for good.

But you're right, the way to promote peace and US interests...

The two are mutually exclusive.

Phil Herup: The enimies of the US are so happy that naive Obama is in the White House now.

Yeah Osama hated Bush. he did everything Osama wanted him to do and then some. and Kim Jong he sure did fear Bush so much he built up a nuclear arsenal right under his nose. Not to mention Pakistan and their little proliferation hero flaunting his services in his face. And Iran loves that the Shiite are now running things in Iraq. Their influence there is quite substantial with the Mahdi contingent in the government.
Palestine elected Hamas as their representative govt.

Good thing they all feared Dubya. Otherwise things might be bad.

Bad_Seed: CanisNoir: Are you trying to say we're not?

Why could possibly deny such a thing? It would be sacrilege!

Not sacrilege but outlandishly wrong and despite blemishes, ignorant of history.



But you're right, the way to promote peace and US interests...

The two are mutually exclusive.

Look, even I wouldn't go so far as to call Obama a warmonger, you really surprise me here.

CanisNoir: crab66: I would rather we not police the world and mind our own farking business. Sticking our head into Iran would only make things worse. Unless we are planning on actively supporting a group then we need to shut the fark up and let them deal with their own issues. I know Republicans want to spread freedom(and by freedom I mean Christianity) but most of us don't really like unnecessary wars.

That alone should have been a disqualifying statement, I'll still deal with the point of your post. Do you honestly think that if we had done nothing after 9/11 that Islamic Fundamentalists would just sit home and pray? Or do you not count those that died at American soft targets over seas? We're not "Policing the world" as you call it, we're giving those who would seek to harm us regardless of what we do, a hard target to attack. Embassy workers and people in clubs don't fight back; the US Military will engage and kill your ass.

/Anyone who doesn't think those from every country are in some way saving the life of Civilians is an idiot and deserves to be called one.

Are you trying to justify Iraq?

I think we have every right to defend ourselves, our allies and our embassies. If we are attacked we are obligated to seek justice(Afghanistan).

There is a difference between a preemptive strike to prevent an attack and an ideological holy war(Iraq). A war that we will never win with military action. NEVER.

CanisNoir: Hot Air is also known to be slanted, but less so than RCP.

that's your opinion. I think it's slanted right. that's my opinion.
Hot Air is farther right. that's my opinion. my critique of you was your assertion of your opinion as fact. and this cya of your hypocrisy is transparent to all. you're not fooling anyone with it.

Hobodeluxe: Phil Herup: The enimies of the US are so happy that naive Obama is in the White House now.



Bush(we) got played like a fiddle. He and the neocons are exactly what our enemies wanted from 9/11. They are not afraid of you, as much as rightwingers like to think so.