lstywnch: When Andrew Halcro asked her to explain this during the gubernatorial debates she said, "It's not the same thing." Halcro told her using your publicly provided email address to campaign was the same as using your publicly provided email address to campaign, she turned away from him and asked the moderator to move on to the next question. I only remember this as distinctly as I do because it was at that point I realized she wasn't who/what she was trying to tell us all she was. She wasn't honest, she wasn't humble, and she certainly wasn't the great reformer she claimed to be. She was a tattletale and a hypocrite.

Compl;etely agree. I don't hate her, I just think she's a phony who would eat your children to get where she wants to go. She's not a reformer for the public interest, she's the exact opposite.

Why does the right always confuse laughter with hate?

I don't have crazy hate for her. I merely mock her at every opportunity. The first one would be an obsession, the second one is just fun.

NYZooMan

Nobody every taught you that in order to gain credibility, you must base your assertions on something firmer than your shoddy prefab desire that they be true?

JohnBigBootay: Compl;etely agree. I don't hate her, I just think she's a phony who would eat your children to get where she wants to go. She's not a reformer for the public interest, she's the exact opposite

I get worried when people like my mother, who is normally a great judge of character, fail to see it. But then my mother was incredibly liberal and all for civil rights when I was a kid and has become this weird antithesis of herself in the past few years. I blame Faux news.

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that hate -- for lack of a better word -- is good.

Hate is right.

Hate works.

Hate clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Hate, in all of its forms -- Hate for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.

And Hate -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.

/sorry, Gordo.

lstywnch: I get worried when people like my mother, who is normally a great judge of character, fail to see it. But then my mother was incredibly liberal and all for civil rights when I was a kid and has become this weird antithesis of herself in the past few years. I blame Faux news.

Exactly. The image presented us was an outsider who campaigned against cronyism and for ethical governance. Since then it's been one long rap sheet about using her public office for private business, using public funds for non-authorized family trips, the clothing deal, the sordid state trooper thing, the campaign email thing, a complete inability to endure any criticism whatsoever, her mccarthyist feelings on the media in general, etc. She rails a lot about washington insiders - ha, she just wants in herself so she can get her piece of the pie - she's smart enough to know she's not getting another term in Alaska. Her approval rating IN ALASKA has dropped from 80 plus to 55 since the nomination and she's sinking like a rock.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuckraker/sarah-palins-approval-rat_b_198658.ht m l

JohnBigBootay: Her approval rating IN ALASKA has dropped from 80 plus to 55 since the nomination and she's sinking like a rock.

Her approval rating would have dropped even without the extraneous scandal. She promised an "all Alaska" gas pipeline, then went with the trans Canada, and even went so far as to give money to a Canadian corporation to explore building it instead of an American one. She also shafted the folks in Ketchikan with their Gravina Island bridge (bridge to nowhere) project that she promised the town she'd support. And right now she's not winning any friends with this relentless pursuit of the parental consent legislation.

JohnBigBootay - lstywnch: When Andrew Halcro asked her to explain this during the gubernatorial debates she said, "It's not the same thing." Halcro told her using your publicly provided email address to campaign was the same as using your publicly provided email address to campaign, she turned away from him and asked the moderator to move on to the next question. I only remember this as distinctly as I do because it was at that point I realized she wasn't who/what she was trying to tell us all she was. She wasn't honest, she wasn't humble, and she certainly wasn't the great reformer she claimed to be. She was a tattletale and a hypocrite.

Compl;etely agree. I don't hate her, I just think she's a phony who would eat your children to get where she wants to go. She's not a reformer for the public interest, she's the exact opposite.



As I've said from the get-go, she's a marketing bim'/newsbabe. I work in advertising/TV and got my start at local TV stations, and all the way up the ladder, I've worked with dozens of Sarah Palins.

She even shows a newsbabe's approach to "research" and learning... pick up a few keywords and get an "idiot's guide to..." understanding of just what you need to know for the 5 minutes you'll be talking about it and then promptly forget it.

He's right that I dislike her because she was the "girlfriend of the quarterback," wrong to conclude that I'm angry because I couldn't get her... She IS the "girlfriend of the quarterback" the shallow, incurious, social-climbing sorority girl who coasted by on her looks and had no interest in anything but being pretty and popular.

That's her exactly. He got her exactly right.

I will give her credit, though... She was smart enough to know she couldn't tell Katie Couric that she got her news from "Cosmopolitan," "US Weekly," "Vogue," "People," "Glamour," and "Allure."

The_EliteOne: bill4935: words

I like what you have to predict. It's logical, entertaining and could happen. Any guesses on who will be in the Wolrd Series or the next Superbowl?


KAHUNA CANNOT PREDICT SPORTING EVENTS.

CanisNoir:
She's laughed off the attacks on herself and correctly been upset by attacks on her children; you need to learn to differentiate between the two.

Lipstick on a pig ring any bells?

Cat Food Sandwiches:
Palin = Governor of largest state in the union
Bush = Governor of 2nd largest state in the union. (& President)

Just think what they could have accomplished if they weren't so stupid.

You realize that a governor doesn't tend to each acre personally, right?

Milkbeer: Democrats get pissed when they see how ugly they really are when REAL women run for office, rather than people like Hillary Clinton who's basically as qualified as Nancy Reagan to run for office. THink of how they treated Miss America? Democrats hate beauty, that's why they're ugly, spiteful, and disgusting, mildly retarded useful idiots who's only friend is Barrack Obama.

Spoken like a true hater of America. Way to go, Mr. Bastian of Good Will.

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Me personally, I think we should be electing presidents based on their education, intelligence and ability.

Everything from Palin's speeches, public actions, family life reflect actions and choices of an individual I wouldn't want to talk to at a bar if she was buying me drinks let alone let her run the country.

Take for example the current "the only effective government is local government" crap she's spouting. NONE of the major problems this country is facing are local problems! Explain to me how 10,000 city councils can effectively tackle the problem of the recession? Or how they can tackle issue with healthcare?

Luckily, the problems I have with her boil down to: "She's a poorly educated retard who spawns retard babies."

Because I literally cannot imagine any world view where anything she says or does make ANY sense to what the world is actually like. And yet she thinks she has the ability and right to run the country?

3_Butt_Cheeks: The Only Good Moran: 3_Butt_Cheeks: The Only Good Moran: Yes, she's an innocent lamb undeserving of any criticism whatsoever, we get it already

Sorry you feel that way.

Well when you go out of your way to defend her over every little thing said about her, its not that hard to get to that.

When have you ever done otherwise?

Yes I have. Have you?

I asked you when, as I have been given no reason to believe that you've ever criticized her. Ever.

As a conservative with a libertarian bent, I wish Palin would just stay in Alaska and keep a low profile.

Somebody told her she has star power so now she wants to run for national office. But she's the opposite of what conservatives need right now. What we need is more sophisticated candidates who will avoid issues with oversimplified answers that distract us from the real problems this country faces.

Teen pregnancy is a real problem. But it's possible from a practical perspective, to advocate condom use, abstinence, and monogamy all at the same time. There are too many on the right, though, that have turned this into some kind of religious issue. Palin belongs to that other party which is reducing everything to a slogan.


/Even during the civil war, when most Americans were far more religious than now, they understood that if you safely housed the prostitutes and gave them medical exams, the rate of disease in the soldiers went way down.

Ashelth: Take for example the current "the only effective government is local government" crap she's spouting. NONE of the major problems this country is facing are local problems! Explain to me how 10,000 city councils can effectively tackle the problem of the recession? Or how they can tackle issue with healthcare?

Well that's not exactly true. A lot of local governments are going broke right now and the feds are bailing them out. So you could argue that overspending by state an local goernments during boom times has created a mix of unsustainable services in bad times. Had they been managed better, by fiscally prudent leaders, perhaps $100 billion of the stimulus money wouldn't be going where it's going.

It's only natural that governments tend to spend all the money they have and borrow what they can, because nobody thinks about a rainy day and poorer voters think they're getting it for free when other people's taxes are paying for it. Until the private sector shrinks. It's time for a little more honesty about what governments ought to be doing.

This just in: Caribou Barbie is not running for reelection. 2012, here we come!

3_Butt_Cheeks: Or six months. Lofty (misguided) ideology and catch-phrase speeches don't make a leader. I'll reserve final judgement for another couple years, but so far it's been pretty much worse than I had thought.

You know what happens when you try and stop a freight train? It takes a really long time to come to a halt, and in the meantime, you can put anything and everything in the path of said freight train in order to try and stop it, and anything and everything will get plowed over and the train's just going to keep on going.

When Obama got seated, the freight train of economic suck was going at roundabout 120 MPH. I'd say Obama's slowed it down to about 55 MPH so far, but that's still a freight train going at 55 MPH.

Wow, this thread really picked up after I went to bed. I was going to count the "I don't hate her" versus the "I do hate her" posts but I lost interest. I still don't think she's what most people think she is: she's not quite as dumb as the Left thinks, nor is she as great as some on the Right say. Very few Republicans I know like her (beyond her looks) and want to see her run in 2012. A good friend of mine is pretty right wing (except on social issues) he didn't think McCain was conservative enough and he was floored when Palin was selected.

"It's over. Done" He said.

I had always been a fan of McCain but I also was...well...stunned when he picked her. Personally, I wanted a McCain/Powell ticket, even though Powell later endorsed Obama. A McCain/Powell ticket would have made for a much, much more interesting campaign, I think.

So no, I do not want to see her as the face of the GOP in 2012 and I won't. I hate to break bad news to the Left, but there's no way she wins the nomination in 2012, no way.

(fingers crossed)

Your_Huckleberry: Wow, this thread really picked up after I went to bed. I was going to count the "I don't hate her" versus the "I do hate her" posts but I lost interest. I still don't think she's what most people think she is: she's not quite as dumb as the Left thinks, nor is she as great as some on the Right say. Very few Republicans I know like her (beyond her looks) and want to see her run in 2012. A good friend of mine is pretty right wing (except on social issues) he didn't think McCain was conservative enough and he was floored when Palin was selected.

"It's over. Done" He said.

I had always been a fan of McCain but I also was...well...stunned when he picked her. Personally, I wanted a McCain/Powell ticket, even though Powell later endorsed Obama. A McCain/Powell ticket would have made for a much, much more interesting campaign, I think.

So no, I do not want to see her as the face of the GOP in 2012 and I won't. I hate to break bad news to the Left, but there's no way she wins the nomination in 2012, no way.

(fingers crossed)

Well, as they just announced moments ago, she's going to do her damnedest to try and get that nomination. I can see no other reason why she wouldn't run for re-election. Frees her up to work on bigger projects, obviously.

House of Tards: Lipstick on a pig ring any bells?

I don't recall her getting upset over that; a lot of supporters and bloggers sure.

Mentat: This just in: Caribou Barbie is not running for reelection. 2012, here we come!

Dang it, get me all excited before she makes the formal announcement.

msnbc is saying "Palin Stepping Down"

She's quitting?

What the fark is she up to now?

Chuck Ruffcorn: msnbc is saying "Palin Stepping Down"

She's quitting?

What the fark is she up to now?

Hubby just got home from the news room. The speculation is that she will announce a 2012 bid, but she could also be planning to challenge Murkowski Jr for the senate seat.

Your_Huckleberry: So no, I do not want to see her as the face of the GOP in 2012 and I won't. I hate to break bad news to the Left, but there's no way she wins the nomination in 2012, no way.

I subscribe to the 'it's your turn' school of thought as far as GOP nominations. Whose turn it is, though, is open to interpretation. The people who can claim it's their turn:

TIER 1
*The current/most recent VP (Dick Cheney)
*The most recent VP nominee (Sarah Palin)
*Whoever came in second in the last primary of consequence (Mike Huckabee)

TIER 2
*The next-highest finisher in the last primary of consequence (Mitt Romney)
*A long-standing Senator who ran unsuccessfully in the past (Richard Lugar, who came in 6th in the 1996 primary)

That's it. Those five. Everyone else is trying to position themselves for it to be their turn in 2016.

People hate on Palin because she frightens them. She represents the empty-vessel ideologue who can be pumped full of ideas by whatever shady characters remain behind the curtain.

She is, in effect, a much better looking George W Bush. And America already has the scars from going through that experiment.

Oh, yeah, MSNBC lady, like Palin's stepping off the national stage for a second. Alaska's just becoming this annoying insect to her she got tired of feeding.

Alacritous: There's a fair bit of difference between hate and ridicule. Too bad the Right can't figure out the distinction.

Sure. When you're still doing it to a politician when she hasn't been running for anything or made public appearances beyond what she does as governor for months, it's hate.

Gosling: Your_Huckleberry: So no, I do not want to see her as the face of the GOP in 2012 and I won't. I hate to break bad news to the Left, but there's no way she wins the nomination in 2012, no way.

I subscribe to the 'it's your turn' school of thought as far as GOP nominations. Whose turn it is, though, is open to interpretation. The people who can claim it's their turn:

TIER 1
*The current/most recent VP (Dick Cheney)
*The most recent VP nominee (Sarah Palin)
*Whoever came in second in the last primary of consequence (Mike Huckabee)

TIER 2
*The next-highest finisher in the last primary of consequence (Mitt Romney)
*A long-standing Senator who ran unsuccessfully in the past (Richard Lugar, who came in 6th in the 1996 primary)

That's it. Those five. Everyone else is trying to position themselves for it to be their turn in 2016.

Hmmm....interesting, I think you're on to something. But one of your Tier One people-Cheney-will not run. Another-Palin-should not run. That leaves Huckabee, who I would call a favorite right now.

Tier Two of Romney and Luger are also still in play, I think. And someone else could come up.

position themselves for it to be their turn in 2016

That's assuming President Obama is unbeatable. He might be, we'll have to see. I think there could be ways of challenging him on issues alone. But if the GOP stays hard right and loses more ground in 2010, then runs someone like Palin in 2012 and gets hammered, then you'll see some big changes in the party. I'd like to see them without another more losses, but that might be what it takes.

yeah, all that hate and they still lost by only 5 percent of the vote... if some of that hate convinced 2-3 percent of the population I might be OK with that,

I have a question about this picture:


Correct me on anything I'm wrong about here because I'm genuinely curious.

Not the American flag, but the other flag. Doesn't flying that flag indicate that she has lost one child in war? I thought that's what those flags meant. Maybe it's just any family member, but I thought it was specifically the children of the person flying the flag.

Like if some unfortunate mother/family lost two or three children at war they'd have one of those flags with two or three (respectively) stars.

I didn't know she had had anyone in service, but I don't know that much about her family members.

And if she hasn't lost any family members in the service, isn't it pretty disrespectful to have that in a photo shoot?

I don't see why the Left hates her, she was instrumental in winning us the election. We should be thanking her and encouraging her to be in the public eye. Look what it did for Letterman.

This is me answering my own question. It only means the son/daughter has been killed if it has a gold border. Red simply means active service, which her son Track is.

I guess that's probably his name under the star?

Wow, did he really just try to say that we hate Palin because we are jealous of her or want to screw her? Apparently his psychologist friend is a fan of Freud (only has sex on the mind). No, we "hate" Palin because she would do a horrible job in public office and implement many policies I wholeheartedly disagree with. Let alone make our country look retarded for electing her in the first place. I would be more than happy if she were to fad into the background and the attacks on her would stop, but she herself refuses to do that, especially now with the plans officially out that she is preparing for 2012. No, people need to be reminded just how bad she is so she doesn't have a chance.

For a few moments, Sarah Palin came on to the scene and stole away the precious star power that Obama had, but it didn't last long as the left wing types in the news and entertainment industry kicked themselves in to overdrive in their efforts to destroy her for the Chosen One.

But still, she not only opposed the Chosen One, she diminished Him if only temporarily, and for these great sins she is never to be forgiven.

I think the hate is unwarranted; but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for deciding to put her in the spotlight. Nobody would care otherwise if someone else was tapped to be McCain's running mate.

rjw25: I think the hate is unwarranted; but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for deciding to put her in the spotlight. Nobody would care otherwise if someone else was tapped to be McCain's running mate.

Well, for one it is not hate. As has been said so often and will be said again, we are amused and/or perturbed by the fact that she holds any power at all.

Anyone as ignorant of science as her, as religiously delusional as her, as easily led as her, and as dedicated to bad ideas and disproven/discredited economic theories as her is a joke as a public figure and a nightmare as an elected official.

She's a nice lady (from what I've seen) and I respect her chosen way of life, I even respect her crazy, crazy religion. But just because I like grandpa and enjoy his company as he tells me about the moon nazis, doesn't mean I want him running the country, or even behind the wheel of a moving vehicle. And likewise, just because I think that exorcisms, belief in witchcraft, and the "real american" way of life (which is *still* insulting by the way) has a certain charm, it also has its failings.

rjw25: I think the hate is unwarranted; but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for deciding to put her in the spotlight. Nobody would care otherwise if someone else was tapped to be McCain's running mate.

The hate is completely warranted. Sarah Palin got her start in politics by running for mayor of a tiny town on national issues like abortion, got in to higher office in a similar manner, and engaged in corruption while in office in Alaska. Politically she showed herself to be nothing but an opportunist. While campaigning nationally, she displayed an incredible level of anti-intellectualism and in fact was proud of her own ignorance. Meanwhile, she treated the campaign as an excuse to go on a personal shopping spree, and even bought high heels for her preteen daughter. On a personal level, she speaks like a moron, couldn't keep her (other) daughter from getting knocked up, and has seen two children drop out of high school.

This person is not qualified to run anything, yet she got dangerously close to the White House by taking advantage of circumstances. For me, it's not an issue of disagreeing with her politics so much as it's an issue of being repelled by her classlessness, incompetence, stupidity, and groundless ambition.

It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

randomjsa: For a few moments, Sarah Palin came on to the scene and stole away the precious star power that Obama had, but it didn't last long as the left wing types in the news and entertainment industry kicked themselves in to overdrive in their efforts to destroy her for the Chosen One.

But still, she not only opposed the Chosen One, she diminished Him if only temporarily, and for these great sins she is never to be forgiven.

Shouldn't you two be off cheerleading more church shooters?

The only thing that scares me about Sarah Palin, is as dumb as she is, the repubs will inevitably find someone DUMBER.

Dan Quayle...

Dubya...

Palin...


...????!!!

The Only Good Mor0n
tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

randomjsa: For a few moments, Sarah Palin came on to the scene and stole away the precious star power that Obama had, but it didn't last long as the left wing types in the news and entertainment industry kicked themselves in to overdrive in their efforts to destroy her for the Chosen One.

But still, she not only opposed the Chosen One, she diminished Him if only temporarily, and for these great sins she is never to be forgiven.

Shouldn't you two be off cheerleading more church shooters?

What a stupid statement. Of course, your logon name says it all......

Mentat: You cannot sustain a campaign of platitudes and clichés over a year and a half if you're running for the presidency,

Obama sez: ORLY?

tony41454: The Only Good Mor0n
tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

randomjsa: For a few moments, Sarah Palin came on to the scene and stole away the precious star power that Obama had, but it didn't last long as the left wing types in the news and entertainment industry kicked themselves in to overdrive in their efforts to destroy her for the Chosen One.

But still, she not only opposed the Chosen One, she diminished Him if only temporarily, and for these great sins she is never to be forgiven.

Shouldn't you two be off cheerleading more church shooters?

What a stupid statement. Of course, your logon name says it all......

Hey its not my fault you thought they were national heroes and patriotic Americans. You came to that conclusion all on your own.

I'm starting to think that Palin is a Democrat cheat code for winning elections.

ichiban:
And if she hasn't lost any family members in the service, isn't it pretty disrespectful to have that in a photo shoot?

The gold star would mean she lost a family member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_flag

tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

I don't give a damn what you think. If you think I'm "sick" for hating an ambitious moron for getting to close to an important leadership position, you can go off and fark yourself.

Repeat: Go fark yourself.

El_Dan: tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

I don't give a damn what you think. If you think I'm "sick" for hating an ambitious moron for getting to close to an important leadership position, you can go off and fark yourself.

Repeat: Go fark yourself.

Did you leave something out of that? Like "ambitious moran with dangerous ideas" or "too close to the most important leadership position" or "to an important leadership position she wasnt qualified for?" It's like you hate stupid people with dreams about being managers. That's harsh.

I think there are folks in this thread that claim they don't hate her that really do. I get that, there's more than one politican out there that I'll admit I pretty much hate. Soon-to-be-Former-Gov.Palin is one of those figures that just set people off. Is that "sick"? I suspect "sick" comes in when one doesn't just hate, doesn't just want that person out of office or defeated or even in jail or something, but when one wants harm to come to that person. "I hate So&So! They did this,this and this, really screwed up this country!" is different from "I hate So&so, I want them to die a slow painful death, most of their family, too".

Of course, a vast majority of this is the typical Internet Badass/Coward scene and nothing will ever come of it, just people blowing off steam. But there are nutcases out there that actually act on their hate.

TFA: With regard to The New York Times columnist, I asked a female friend of mine who happens to be a psychologist, what might prompt the anger? She mentioned a host of possibilities, but settled on one theory. That being that Dowd "may be threatened or envious of Palin... or both. As an aging but still attractive woman, Dowd may resent Palin's good looks. Further, as a single woman of a certain age, she may be envious that Palin has a husband, a family, and has carved out an accomplished political career."

The "aw, you're just jealous" angle? I don't buy that.

You know the song that starts "pretty girls just seem to find out early how to open doors with just a smile"? I think that Sarah Palin cynically uses her looks and charm. She gleefully knows that a lot of people just want to hang with the popular girl in school and ignore her queen-bee using and manipulating the people around her. Those of us who see through her act are fully aware of her game, refuse to play, and will call her on it.

Feminists know that using cleavage and a smile to get ahead goes against their agenda of equality and respect for one's mind.

I'm no liberal feminist supporter, but the "she's just jealous" idea is weak.