Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

Put an 8-year-old behind the wheel of an earthmover, then say it's the kid you're afraid of....

whandall: And lets get real, when an article talks about how a number of people in Alaska independantly dig up a medical book to diagnose a candidate...thats got to set off some alarm bells.

That is what weirded me out, too. The woman does seem, for better or worse, a quiet strong cult of personality. Perhaps it is that, as her believers tend to come from the Religious Right, it is not enough that her followed like her positions and find her a dynamic leader, but need to invest in her the same sort of devotion they show their religious leaders.

Tor_Eckman: Ok, let me be the first to admit it. I hate her. I have known people exactly like her in my life, and I hate them all.

Controlling, conniving, lying, soulless, douchebags that have attained some level of power and would do anything or step over anyone to retain and increase that power.

She, and everyone like her, can EABOD and DIAF. Right now.

I ADMITTED IT FIRST!!!!

Why bring Maureen Dowd into this - what did she have to do with Vanity Fair?

My favorite part? Where he has a "friend" claim Dowd and other "aging feminists" hate Palin because she's so young and beautiful. But then he says, "Now while I don't like psychobabble, I agree wholeheartedly with this random piece of psychobabble."

Author is a moran.

Also, silly conservatives, we don't hate Palin. We hate her sins! She's demonstrably borne false witness at least 30 times since her debut on the national stage, and my hatred for this SIN is righteous and everlasting! This woman has no business being near power until she repents and asks forgiveness for all these lies - something she has never done! MY RIGHTEOUS HATRED FOR HER SINS KNOWS NO BOUNDS!

/But I loooove Sarah Palin, she's one of God's chillenest chilluns.

Lenny_da_Hog: Tor_Eckman: Ok, let me be the first to admit it. I hate her. I have known people exactly like her in my life, and I hate them all.

Controlling, conniving, lying, soulless, douchebags that have attained some level of power and would do anything or step over anyone to retain and increase that power.

She, and everyone like her, can EABOD and DIAF. Right now.

I ADMITTED IT FIRST!!!!

Ok, well I was second then. And two is more than one.

Neener neener.

Doublek111: Sgt Otter: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire farking point of the Vanity Fair article how much her own staff and various GOP campaign operatives couldn't stand her? You know, die-hard Republicans?

you're wrong.

Really? 'Cause it looks like the Vanity Fair article is about the internal battle in the GOP.

FTA: "Finally, we come to the "GOP family feud" caused by the Vanity Fair article as reported by Politico. The "feud" is between Weekly Standard editor William Kristol in the corner of Sarah Palin, and former McCain campaign strategist Steve Schmidt in the corner of Satan.

If you're Todd Purdum and you need to write a sleazy story, best to find a sleazy source willing to check dignity, honor, and facts at the door. In Steve Schmidt, Purdum found such a source.

Like a number of GOP "communicators," Schmidt had next to no real-world experience or success before becoming a communications guru and "genius" for the Party. Rather, like many in Washington, he attached himself to the coattails of others and slowly moved up the ranks. The fact that Schmidt is attacking her to try and salvage his reputation, should be a badge of honor for Palin."

And I'm amused by the notion that anyone--even a former McCain staffer--who says something bad about Sarah Palin must be in Satan's corner.

The fact is, a lot of negative stories about Palin came from Republican staffers after the election (Wasilla hillbillies, she thought Africa was a country, etc).

Letterman makes fun of EVERYONE, for palin to get her panties in a bunch is like scientology yelling at south park for making fun of them.

Everything else Palin just does it to herself cause she's an idiot.

If you want me to be bipartisan... Biden does the same thing :)

It's not that people "hate" Palin, it's more alarm that many people thought she was fit to be VP/possibly POTUS. Also,

furiousxgeorge: So, my conservative friends, what part of the Vanity Fair article was false?

ghare: Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

No one in America is afraid of her running. I pray she's the next Republican candidate.

Then we'll get a third party.

Um, great?

You mean a far-right party, a right-center party and a center-right party?

That would be progress, man.

HighOnCraic: And I'm amused by the notion that anyone--even a former McCain staffer--who says something bad about Sarah Palin must be in Satan's corner.

the whole 'you can't be a real republican unless' litmus test of supporting palin many placed on folks w/in the party and punditry during the campaign is going to take a while to rub off.

yet another reason why the republican primaries are likely to be a whole new kind of soap opera...

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

You realize the HuffPo is a collaborative blog, and that its founder once ran her husband for Governor of California on the GOP ticket? And that this particular author is a right-wing hack?

As the Crawl says:
Douglas MacKinnon is a former White House and Pentagon official and author of the novel, "The Apocalypse Directive."

in fact here the titles of his last dozen or so columns for Townhall.com:

June 30, 2009
Creeping Socialism Awakens Conservative Beliefs

June 26, 2009
Sarah Palin -- The Last Republican Standing?

June 9, 2009
Rush, Hannity, and the America of our Parents

May 13, 2009
What Pat Buchanan Failed to Mention

Apr 30, 2009
Retire the Disgraced Pulitzer Prize

Mar 31, 2009
Book Acts as Barometer Measuring the Fear of Obama

Mar 26, 2009
Shameless Republicans Fuel Mob Anger Against A.I.G.

Mar 24, 2009
Why won't big media probe Democrats' role in economic crisis?

Mar 4, 2009
Liberal Media Unemployment

Feb 24, 2009
We Are NOT Entitled

Jan 30, 2009
Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Please Arrest the Elitist Reviewers


you'll excuse me if I fail to find him an unbiased, left of center commentator.

CanisNoir: I'm pleasantly surprised that Huffpo ran that, dissapointed I couldn't read comments on it though. Palin isn't the idiot many of you think she is,

As evidenced by?

but at the time of the campaign she had some "growing up to do" and for that I blame the campaign staff.

Of course you do, it can't possibly be her fault, now can it?


They should have made the decision to pick her long before they did, and had one person up there secretly coaching her and getting her ready well before the announcement. Just my opinion.

I will agree with you here on this. The McCain campaign deserves quite a deal of blame for picking her. However, the blame for her faults lies with her.

She's gotten much better

At what, and evidenced by what?


but foreign policy still scares her a bit. (She fumbled around the NK missile names in one interview) so we'll see.

As for the rights hatred of Obama, yea it's as unhinged as the lefts for Palin, but to be fair, he's currently president and she's a losing VP Candidate, one is quite a bit more relevant than the other ;P

Palin is trying to make herself relevant. Nobody's going to Alaska and manufacturing controversy. She's traveling around acting like a potential Presidential candidate. Don't get upset when people treat her like one and hold her up to scrutiny.

santadog: I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

She's funny. It's like picking on the kid in 3rd grade who still sucks his thumb and eats the library paste.

mfaby: 'Bushs deficits are shameful so I will triple them' ' US Healthcare is terrible' yet 86% of US citizens are happy with their care 'I don't want the US to control healthcare' yet that is exactly what he is trying to do.
=============================================

Since Bush did his own bailout, gave his own money to GM (10s of billions worth), and helped draft the 2nd bailout, he shares at least half the burden of the 2008 fiscal year. Not to mention the reason it's going up in 2009 (Which I'll repeat for the 300th time) is because he's removing most of the accounting tricks bush used, like actually putting the wars on the budget.

Of course 86% of people are happy with their health care. We have spectacular doctors. It's health INSURANCE. Let me spell that out I-N-S-U-R-A-N-C-E that people don't have and are upset about. Please get it right.

The gov't never has and never will control health care. They want a public option for health insurance, that's it.

Magorn: Jan 30, 2009
Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Please Arrest the Elitist Reviewers

WTF? And this is the person you're throwing a ticker tape parade for?

Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

i'm Dem and i'd LOVE to see her run and lose to Obama. i don't hate her, i just know a Valley Girl when i hear one.

open wide, fer sure fer sure, she's a valley girl and there is no cure.

if she is all the ReBorglicans can come up with, Obama will win another term.


cheers!

Crazy hate for Palin? More like amused disdain. Ok maybe a little contempt too.

mat catastrophe: ghare: Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

No one in America is afraid of her running. I pray she's the next Republican candidate.

Then we'll get a third party.

Um, great?

You mean a far-right party, a right-center party and a center-right party?

That would be progress, man.

There were 8 choices for pres on my ticket last time, none of them far left enough for ya?

santadog: I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

Same here. What I feel in the matter is revulsion that the right wing seriously wanted to saddle the country with someone like that. And even more so that they're trying so hard to promote her for the next election. The fact that someone makes you vomit doesn't imply hatred.

the ReBorglicans would run a chimp for office as long as that chimp promised them tax cuts and promised them to get 'government off the backs of business' so they could continue to steal from this country and the middle class.


/dev/null/GOP

the left?

Subby needs to RTFA. The same guy wrote an attack piece against Clinton. He's just a hater, plain and simple.

The left doesn't hate Palin, they are just scared shiatless of her, and the prospect of her being the leader of the free world.

But of course Bush proved that life goes on no matter what the level of incompetence is.

The Fourth Karamazov: CanisNoir: I'm pleasantly surprised that Huffpo ran that, dissapointed I couldn't read comments on it though. Palin isn't the idiot many of you think she is,

As evidenced by?

but at the time of the campaign she had some "growing up to do" and for that I blame the campaign staff.

Of course you do, it can't possibly be her fault, now can it?


They should have made the decision to pick her long before they did, and had one person up there secretly coaching her and getting her ready well before the announcement. Just my opinion.

I will agree with you here on this. The McCain campaign deserves quite a deal of blame for picking her. However, the blame for her faults lies with her.

She's gotten much better

At what, and evidenced by what?


but foreign policy still scares her a bit. (She fumbled around the NK missile names in one interview) so we'll see.

As for the rights hatred of Obama, yea it's as unhinged as the lefts for Palin, but to be fair, he's currently president and she's a losing VP Candidate, one is quite a bit more relevant than the other ;P

Palin is trying to make herself relevant. Nobody's going to Alaska and manufacturing controversy. She's traveling around acting like a potential Presidential candidate. Don't get upset when people treat her like one and hold her up to scrutiny.

You're wasting your time. Canis's puppydog crush on Palin is at a level where nothing she says or does can diminish it. He's like a high school sophomore in love with the senior head cheerleader, and no matter how many times she poops on him, he just keeps coming back for more.

mfaby: Alacritous 2009-07-03 12:40:14 AM
There's a fair bit of difference between hate and ridicule. Too bad the Right can't figure out the distinction.

Or the Left.

And you responded just the way I figured you would: insult her, call her stupid, blah blah blah.

As was pointed out, if you folks werent afraid of her you would let it go.

I'm afraid of her, but not in the sense you mean. I don't think she is some sort of political powerhouse, nor indeed do I think she'll ever be elected to an office of national consequence.

What I fear is her growing popularity within the GOP is dumbing that party down even farther than it is now, just at the time when the country most needs an intelligent, principled and loyal opposition to temper the party in power.

What I fear is that she showed on the campaign trail a willingness to go beyond rallying the faithful, into inciting mobs, by unleashing very ugly, divisive (remember "real America"?), hateful rhetoric of the sort that often inspires violence in its listeners. (Just ask the secret service how the death threats against Obama spiked after McCain took her off her leash) I am gravely concerned about the possibility of increasing domestic terrorism if her sort of campaigning becomes the GOP norm

so yes, for those reasons I fear the damage she could do to this country and will do everything I personally can to marginalize her and reduce her stature on the national stage

You don't have to approve of the woman to note the fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life. It seems to me that the wisest thing to do would be to just leave her alone and allow her to lapse into obscurity.
If she decides to make another run at a national office, fine - bring out the big guns - but for now, just leave her alone.
A wise man lets a sleeping dog (or rattlesnake, as the case may be) lie.
Just my two cents.

Tor_Eckman:

You're wasting your time. Canis's puppydog crush on Palin is at a level where nothing she says or does can diminish it. He's like a high school sophomore in love with the senior head cheerleader, and no matter how many times she poops on him, he just keeps coming back for more.

Yeah, I know. I keep thinking that maybe this time I can talk some sense into him. I know it's not happening though.

jso2897: You don't have to approve of the woman to note the fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life.

No she hasn't. She went back to Alaska and continued campaigning. She has a ghost-writer working on her bio, has been hanging out with the military for photo-ops, has set up a national PAC, and Alaskans are getting a little pissed off that she's not taking care of state business as her top priority.

She just got back from Kosovo, saying she went there "to visit Alaskan troops." She's campaigning for something. Alaska's governor has no official business there, she's just trying to make up for the criticism that she doesn't know anything about world/military subjects.

Christian Bale: the left?

Subby needs to RTFA. The same guy wrote an attack piece against Clinton. He's just a hater, plain and simple.

The left doesn't hate Palin, they are just scared shiatless of her, and the prospect of her being the leader of the free world.

But of course Bush proved that life goes on no matter what the level of incompetence is.

Because of Bush, life did not go on for a great many Americans.

What hate? She's manifestly unfit to run anything more than a well appointed kitchen.

jso2897: ...fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life

Dude, there's two banner ads for SarahPAC on THIS FARKING PAGE! I'm thinking she's not going away.

They have to take out Palin, she's a threat to the two party system. She doesn't play ball with the democrats and has no problem cleaning house in her own party so of course she must be destroyed.

heap: when you introduce yourself to the nation as a pitbull with lipstick, you really have little room to react to receiving what you give as tho you are a delicate flower.

well, you should, at least.

I don't recall her reacting as though she were a delicate flower; she matched Biden's flair in her own way. They both had a role in the campaign and they both filled it. Now Biden get's to be Obama's, Quale ;P

mrshowrules: Christian Bale: the left?

Subby needs to RTFA. The same guy wrote an attack piece against Clinton. He's just a hater, plain and simple.

The left doesn't hate Palin, they are just scared shiatless of her, and the prospect of her being the leader of the free world.

But of course Bush proved that life goes on no matter what the level of incompetence is.

Because of Bush, life did not go on for a great many Americans.

QFT, and not only those whose lives where wasted in a faraway desert we had no business being in. Millions of Americans are jobless and homeless because of his economic policies. We must never let those who would deny his actual legacy with "bu bu but Bush" allow us to forget the extent of the damage he has wrought.

UNC_Samurai: Jan 30, 2009
Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Please Arrest the Elitist Reviewers

Yeah, I'm going to take whatever he says with half a grain of salt.

he defends paul blart: mall cop
he defends sarah palin

next thing you know, he's going to be asking ABC to put According to Jim back on the airwaves

seriously, what does he have for dumb things with broad audiences?

So when the HuffPo contradicts conservatives world view, they are evil partisan hacks.

But when they agree with them, they're right and should be listened to.

Got it.

Oh and also, Sarah Palin started the hate during the campaign. Don't kid yourself.

CanisNoir: heap: when you introduce yourself to the nation as a pitbull with lipstick, you really have little room to react to receiving what you give as tho you are a delicate flower.

well, you should, at least.

I don't recall her reacting as though she were a delicate flower; she matched Biden's flair in her own way. They both had a role in the campaign and they both filled it. Now Biden get's to be Obama's, Quale ;P

Palin is dumb. Pure and simple. She is even dumber than Bush and that is hard to beat.

mfaby: And you responded just the way I figured you would: insult her, call her stupid, blah blah blah.

...aaaaaaand ignore.

Stop trying to pick fights with liberal farkers. You've not proven you can handle them.

vartian: She is farking brilliant/Jesus. Happy? The way you people react to everything damn thing said about her, you would think she was your new Messiah.

...no, they think Obamessiah is.

...what? They're the only ones who actually call him that.

The Fourth Karamazov: As evidenced by?

Google is you're friend; at the time of the campaign and shortly after, there were several people from both sides who met her and came away saying she was very bright and inquisitive. The positions she's held in the past as well as current position of governor isn't exactly a cake walk no matter what you think; and it's not like Mom and dad bought her into the spot.

Of course you do, it can't possibly be her fault, now can it?

Of course not, it wasn't her campaign to run first of all, secondly I highly doubt she had any serious national aspirations before being chosen, so I wouldn't expect her to be as informed on the relevant issues. The fact that the McCain campaign didn't have a clear choice well in advance of the announcement wasn't Palin's fault, they should have known ahead of time that she would be the choice and coached her appropriately; that's not something she could control.

At what, and evidenced by what?

Hell, just the latest ABC interview during the Letterman dust up. It wasn't just a ratings coup for Letterman, many people had her on which gave her a chance to tout the pipe line deal as well as address North Korea and other Foreign policy issues. As I said, she came off quite well but struggled when she had to name the different Missile types; for that she fell back on to a generalization. It's proven that she can move beyond spouting general platitudes that resemble nothing more than a talking point list, over and over again. That she was reduced to that in the campaign was a clear sign of poor last minute guidance and cramming by the McCain campaign staff.


Palin is trying to make herself relevant. Nobody's going to Alaska and manufacturing controversy. She's traveling around acting like a potential Presidential candidate. Don't get upset when people treat her like one and hold her up to scrutiny.


Like I said, the Letterman dustup was a win\win to be honest. You're also right in that she is attempting to keep herself relevant. I'll be interested to see how she reacts to this Vanity Fair interview because she does need to get the narrative changed; she's been on the defensive too long.

Hate her? HATE her? Are you KIDDING me?

Every liberal friend I have LOVES Sarah Palin. She's the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party since FDR.

Triaxis: They have to take out Palin, she's a threat to the two party system. She doesn't play ball with the democrats and has no problem cleaning house in her own party so of course she must be destroyed.

Lie.

She did not clean house in her own party. Her party got cleaned by a concerted effort of citizens -- GOP, D, and I -- over ten years to weed out the corruption caused by the Veco Corporation.

She took credit for something she had NOTHING to do with. I know this, because I was one of those citizens. A former Republican (who left the party over ideology in the 80s), Ray Metcalfe, is the one who did most of the work.

I don't think we've gone too far enough.

CanisNoir: I don't recall her reacting as though she were a delicate flower; she matched Biden's flair in her own way.

erm...she slung mud like crazy, and acts like it's a personal offense to her matronly honor when the same happens to her.

take a step back on this one. she advertises herself proudly as an attack dog (or a pissed off fish, depending on mood apparently) yet displays asspain the likes of which hasn't been seen since Mr. Hands if anybody even comes close to returning the favor.

again, you don't get to loudly proclaim the gloves are off, demonstrate it by laying out whatever attacks are handy...and then act as if anybody returning the favor is just a meanyface picking on poor sarah. it isn't just relegated to her, either...read the article. where was his (and similar pundits) umbrage at any of the shiat she's slung?

Lenny_da_Hog: Her party got cleaned by a concerted effort of citizens -- GOP, D, and I

also brought to you by the letters F, B, and I.

FTA: Which brings me to a question I've been asking for months of my liberal friends: Why do so many on the left have such an unhinged hatred of this woman? Why do so many alleged feminists and female members of the mainstream media openly and gleefully despise Palin?

has this idiot ever heard one of palin's speeches? she is a geyser of hate. she is the mother of all cynical liars. she engenders anger and violence in her brainwashed followers. and she was the millstone that sunk the mccain campaign. she is the emblem of the death rattle of the modern GOP. and she keeps doing it on the national stage. bottom line: she brought this shiat on herself.

Lenny_da_Hog: jso2897: You don't have to approve of the woman to note the fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life.

No she hasn't. She went back to Alaska and continued campaigning. She has a ghost-writer working on her bio, has been hanging out with the military for photo-ops, has set up a national PAC, and Alaskans are getting a little pissed off that she's not taking care of state business as her top priority.

She just got back from Kosovo, saying she went there "to visit Alaskan troops." She's campaigning for something. Alaska's governor has no official business there, she's just trying to make up for the criticism that she doesn't know anything about world/military subjects.

rohar: jso2897: ...fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life

Dude, there's two banner ads for SarahPAC on THIS FARKING PAGE! I'm thinking she's not going away.

Fine, then. Keep on yapping. Just know that you are helping her by doing so. She's an overambitious local pol who overreached badly, and fell flat on her face (beneficially putting the final stake in the heart of the McCain campaign), and nothing more. But if we all yell loud and long enough, we may very well succeed in making her into something more.

bill4935: words

I like what you have to predict. It's logical, entertaining and could happen. Any guesses on who will be in the Wolrd Series or the next Superbowl?

heap: Lenny_da_Hog: Her party got cleaned by a concerted effort of citizens -- GOP, D, and I

also brought to you by the letters F, B, and I.

That happened because we ran out of options. We had tried to put the investigation into the hands of Alaska's watchdogs.

The first effort went through the ethics committee in the 90s. The GOP then put an "over-sight" committee in charge of the ethics committee and overturned their ruling.

Ray then took the evidence to the Alaska Public Offices Commission (APOC), which supervises election and campaign finance issues. The GOP immediately cut APOC's funding to the point the couldn't afford an investigator anymore, and the case died there.

That's when Ray took the whole pile of files to the FBI. At first they thought he was just a whiner, but he kept bringing them evidence. Finally they listened.

I guess I just hate her cause she pretty.

What is truly hilarious is that since the campaign, it's come out that her husband, the snowmachine driver, was the one actually running Alaska. A great many Alaskans, conservative and liberal in various parts of the Alaskan government have come out and stated that he would sit in on meetings and be involved in decision making even though it was usually completely inappropriate.

She wasn't even running her own (small)state and every Republican/conservative I know kept repeating the part about her having more "executive" experience than did Obama. And they were rabid about it hahaha.

Hows it taste, conservatives?

mfaby: As was pointed out, if you folks werent afraid of her you would let it go.

Let her go, why would I want to do that? Purely for partisan reasons, I want Ms. Palin to be front-and-center in the Republican ranks. Purely for personal reasons, I want Ms. Palin to remain in the national spotlight until she ceases to be amusing.