GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Sort of like the crazy hate the right has for Obama?

Glass houses, douchebags, glass houses.

I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

bingethinker: Sort of like the crazy hate the right has for Obama?

Glass houses, douchebags, glass houses.

too bad every motherless neocon douchef*ck here will deny it.

santadog: I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

Ding! ding! ding! ding! and what do we have for the winner, Johnny?

So says Douglas MacKinnon, former press secretary to Sen. Bob Dole.
Quite the lefty there.

See, that's the thing about HuffPo, as much as the wingnuts like to pretend that it's some sort of far left smear machine, they actually run articles, like this one, by moderate and conservative voices.

So, my conservative friends, what part of the Vanity Fair article was false?

There's a fair bit of difference between hate and ridicule. Too bad the Right can't figure out the distinction.

I don't hate her. I think she's dumber than a rock and the best possible thing that could have happened to the GOP. Palin/Plumber 2012!

Alacritous 2009-07-03 12:40:14 AM
There's a fair bit of difference between hate and ridicule. Too bad the Right can't figure out the distinction.

Or the Left.

And you responded just the way I figured you would: insult her, call her stupid, blah blah blah.

As was pointed out, if you folks werent afraid of her you would let it go.

Obama is different for the simple fact that he is lies about and misrepresents almost every idea he brings up:
'I dont want to run a car company'
'Bushs deficits are shameful so I will triple them'
' US Healthcare is terrible' yet 86% of US citizens are happy with their care
'I don't want the US to control healthcare' yet that is exactly what he is trying to do.

And each of you will deny these and the rest of topics he lies about.

mfaby: insult her, call her stupid

That's not hate. Closer to contempt. But not hate. And if the Right hadn't taken her to their bosom and proclaimed her the second coming of christ but female, the left would have dropped it long ago. We're mocking her, and mocking you at the same time. It's win win. She is in actual fact quite scarily stupid.

propasaurus: So says Douglas MacKinnon, former press secretary to Sen. Bob Dole.
Quite the lefty there.

See, that's the thing about HuffPo, as much as the wingnuts like to pretend that it's some sort of far left smear machine, they actually run articles, like this one, by moderate and conservative voices.

why are you peeing in mfaby's cornflakes?

Ariana has right-wing friends who blog on her site. subby fail.

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

She is farking brilliant/Jesus. Happy? The way you people react to everything damn thing said about her, you would think she was your new Messiah.

There are people who should lead the country, and there are people who should lead state with the population of a small city. Mrs. Palin is the later.

I wish her all the best, but if she is going to claim she has a degree in journalism and then go on television and be unable to name a single newspaper she reads, I will mock her. If she goes to a church that thinks you can expel demons with prayer, I will mock her. If she has the audacity to call gay and lesbian people unfit to be parents, while her own parenting clearly is less then perfect, I will mock her.

But keep holding her up. Keep forcing her under a spotlight she is unready for. Keep claiming her version of the GOP is the only truth. The Democratic party thanks you for your contributions.

The problem is that the Vanity Fair article is pretty much spot-on. Palin has a massive inferiority complex. She treats the most trivial of slights as attacks on her honor and responds with disproportionate force. How someone so thin-skinned has survived as a politician, I don't know. She has lots of charisma and good political instincts, but she has no governor (har har) that tells her when to let up. The Letterman incident, for example, was the perfect opportunity for her to gain some gravitas and she went for it, but as is her way, she took it to such an extreme that she just ended up making herself look stupid. She's extremely ambitious to the point that she readily betrays her mentors or anyone outside of a few close advisers (named Todd). As a result, she has alienated the support network that she needs if she's ever going to make a serious run for national office. She's an intellectual lightweight and she knows it, which further fuels her inferiority complex. As a result, she tries to hide it with her down-home, you betcha moose-killer shtick. It's blatant pandering, which is why the conservative base loves it, but the moderates she needs to attract are turned off by the crassness of the act. The only people who buy her act are the conservatives suffering battered wife syndrome who believe that "Sarah really does love me".

/And yes, I'm raping you with my mouth

bingethinker: Sort of like the crazy hate the right has for Obama?

Glass houses, douchebags, glass houses.

Or the crazy hate for Bush? or the crazy hate for Clinton?

Wow, this could go on forever!

Klingon Penis: Ariana has right-wing friends who blog on her site. subby fail.

Really? Seems to me that someone at the Huffington Post pointed out Left Wing hate for Palin, or what the author sees as Left Wing hate, where did the Subby fail?

///Not the Subby, by the way.

GAT_00: I don't hate her. I think she's dumber than a rock and the best possible thing that could have happened to the GOP. Palin/Plumber 2012!

Ugh, don't even joke about a ticket like that!

I'm sorry, when even CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER and I agree on something, I think we can say the broad consensus is that she is, in fact, a lying shallow half-wit who is unqualified and unable to become qualified to run for President on her own merit.

America is a pretty big country with many smart citizens who would do a better job as Republican presidential nominee. I know - you're thinking, "Come on, a smart Republican? They're all Fark Independents now" - but I have faith they can do better. A lot better.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire farking point of the Vanity Fair article how much her own staff and various GOP campaign operatives couldn't stand her? You know, die-hard Republicans?

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Your fail is getting large enough to have its own zip code.

santadog: I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

Yes, ridicule and hate are not the same thing. It's the New Republican binary political thinking:

You're either with us or against us.
If you disagree with McCain, you support Obama.
If Obama makes a decision, I oppose it.
If you think that America could learn from another country in any way, you hate America.

It's disgusting.

Sgt Otter: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire farking point of the Vanity Fair article how much her own staff and various GOP campaign operatives couldn't stand her? You know, die-hard Republicans?

you're wrong.

Good job Huff Po. Glad to see that someone stopped drinking the Kool-Aid.

Recent pieces by MacKinnon on Townhall:

June 30, 2009
Creeping Socialism Awakens Conservative Beliefs

June 26, 2009
Sarah Palin -- The Last Republican Standing?

June 9, 2009
Rush, Hannity, and the America of our Parents

May 13, 2009
What Pat Buchanan Failed to Mention

Apr 30, 2009
Retire the Disgraced Pulitzer Prize

Mar 31, 2009
Book Acts as Barometer Measuring the Fear of Obama

Mar 26, 2009
Shameless Republicans Fuel Mob Anger Against A.I.G.

Mar 24, 2009
Why won't big media probe Democrats' role in economic crisis?

Mar 4, 2009
Liberal Media Unemployment

Feb 24, 2009
We Are NOT Entitled

Jan 30, 2009
Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Please Arrest the Elitist Reviewers

Yeah, I'm going to take whatever he says with half a grain of salt.

Which brings me to a question I've been asking for months of my liberal friends: Why do so many on the left have such an unhinged hatred of this woman? Why do so many alleged feminists and female members of the mainstream media openly and gleefully despise Palin?

Convention address. She basically openly called the opposition her enemies. She's reaping the narrative she opened the national stage with. You want enemies? People will oblige if you ask for them.

^ that is all

I'm pleasantly surprised that Huffpo ran that, dissapointed I couldn't read comments on it though. Palin isn't the idiot many of you think she is, but at the time of the campaign she had some "growing up to do" and for that I blame the campaign staff. They should have made the decision to pick her long before they did, and had one person up there secretly coaching her and getting her ready well before the announcement. Just my opinion.

She's gotten much better but foreign policy still scares her a bit. (She fumbled around the NK missile names in one interview) so we'll see.

As for the rights hatred of Obama, yea it's as unhinged as the lefts for Palin, but to be fair, he's currently president and she's a losing VP Candidate, one is quite a bit more relevant than the other ;P

Don't mistake amusement for hate.

DarnoKonrad: Convention address. She basically openly called the opposition her enemies. She's reaping the narrative she opened the national stage with. You want enemies? People will oblige if you ask for them.

If that's your criteria, Biden basically said he'd slug every conservative in the nation; but I wouldn't recommend trying to pop him one back.

/You're reaching hard with that one.

"Hate" isn't the word. More like "contempt"

In my mind, she exists on the same page as most reality TV
show contestants -- so desperate to always have the camera
aimed at her. And she doesn't get the joke either. She's
a caricature of the attention-deprived female.

I want her to go away for forever. But I keep seeing her
name in the news. I am a bit fascinated by how people
spin her obvious deficiencies into victim hood -- which is
why I read this article.

CanisNoir:

/You're reaching hard with that one.

Nah, that's your shtick.

You simply can't compare any convention speech of the 2008 campaign with the dripping sarcasm, one liners, and vitriol that Palin delivered. And then after that, she went out on the road and said Obama was a socialist and paling around with terrorists. She insinuated he was a traitor.

She's a product of the image she fostered. Hateful and not terribly bright.

Personally I love her. She's the best thing that could have possibly happened to the Democrats in 2008. I hope she sticks around for years to come!

mfaby: Alacritous 2009-07-03 12:40:14 AM
There's a fair bit of difference between hate and ridicule. Too bad the Right can't figure out the distinction.

Or the Left.

And you responded just the way I figured you would: insult her, call her stupid, blah blah blah.

As was pointed out, if you folks werent afraid of her you would let it go.

I am afraid of her. Very afraid. Palin scares that shiat out of me. Why? Because she is

A) a moron
B) a hypocrite (more so than most politicians)
C) the right wing poster child of all things good and conservative despite (B).

She didn't care about McCain/Palin winning the election. She only cared about getting her name out there for herself. She doesn't care about Alaska. She doesn't care about the voters. She cares about her political career and her ambition.

So yes, she scares me.

We hated Bush, we laugh at the other kind of stupidity and hypocrisy of Palin. The beauty of it all, is that she's an evident trainwreck and if the Republican Party still supports her, its more entertainment value for us.

Actually Palin reminds me a lot of Cynthia McKinney

Which brings me to a question I've been asking for months of my liberal friends: Why do so many on the left have such an unhinged hatred of this woman? Why do so many alleged feminists and female members of the mainstream media openly and gleefully despise Palin?

Because we recognize she doesn't have the intellectual capacity or personal makeup to run this country and we are stunned that a huge chunk of conservatives either don't recognize this or ignore it in the name of "winning" something.

Her sneering speeches about intellectuals, science and research scare us even more.

We all knew Dan Quayle and Dennis Kucinich, to name a couple past election seekers, didn't have what it took to run the country, why is it not obvious with Palin?

I don't hate Palin. I hate what she represents.

Pointing out the fact that she's not fit to be president = hate.

Riiiigggghhhhht.

Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

I'll say this for Sarah:First impression is she's pretty sexy... then she opens her mouth and it's FacePalm Time. If she could just show a tad more genuine humility then more of America would cut her some slack, but instead she acts like a porn star at the Adult Oscars Awards(Not to impugn the more humble of porn stars)

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Is it really 'hate' to point out that's she's a dumbass?

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Actually, the conclusion reached here (that the article in Vanity Fair was a brutal professional hit with very little redeeming value) stuck me as spot on. But the reasoning used to get there is just farking crazy. So all of Palins critics are particularly vicious because they wan't to have sex with her or want to resemble her? Christ, she's hot, but not bend over a chair hot. She's coffee after church hot at best.

And lets get real, when an article talks about how a number of people in Alaska independantly dig up a medical book to diagnose a candidate...thats got to set off some alarm bells.

I don't hate Palin. I just don't care to be told how I should live my life by someone who has more issues in hers than a magazine stand.

CanisNoir: If that's your criteria, Biden basically said he'd slug every conservative in the nation; but I wouldn't recommend trying to pop him one back.

/You're reaching hard with that one.

when you introduce yourself to the nation as a pitbull with lipstick, you really have little room to react to receiving what you give as tho you are a delicate flower.

well, you should, at least.

Just in case anyone wants to read the article at hand...
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908?printable = true&currentPage=all
Link (new window)

It Came from Wasilla
Despite her disastrous performance in the 2008 election, Sarah Palin is still the sexiest brand in Republican politics, with a lucrative book contract for her story. But what Alaska's charismatic governor wants the public to know about herself doesn't always jibe with reality. As John McCain's top campaign officials talk more candidly than ever before about the meltdown of his vice-presidential pick, the author tracks the signs-political and personal-that Palin was big trouble, and checks the forecast for her future."

The one thing that really stuck out, for me, is the woman's casual relationship with the truth.

"At one point, trying out a debating point that she believed showed she could empathize with uninsured Americans, Palin told McCain aides that she and Todd in the early years of their marriage had been unable to afford health insurance of any kind, and had gone without it until he got his union card and went to work for British Petroleum on the North Slope of Alaska. Checking with Todd Palin himself revealed that, no, they had had catastrophic coverage all along. She insisted that catastrophic insurance didn't really count and need not be revealed."

"After one meeting between the governor and legislators in 2007, Lyda Green, then the president of the state senate, returned to her office to catch up on some paperwork. She caught Palin on the news. "And she comes on TV and says, 'I want to once again confirm that neither I nor my staff ever holds closed-door meetings.' Well, we had just been in a closed-door meeting for an hour and a half!""

And then there was this winning tidbit:

More than once in my travels in Alaska, people brought up, without prompting, the question of Palin's extravagant self-regard. Several told me, independently of one another, that they had consulted the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-"a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy"-and thought it fit her perfectly. When Trig was born, Palin wrote an e-mail letter to friends and relatives, describing the belated news of her pregnancy and detailing Trig's condition; she wrote the e-mail not in her own name but in God's, and signed it "Trig's Creator, Your Heavenly Father."

Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

No one in America is afraid of her running. I pray she's the next Republican candidate.

Then we'll get a third party.

santadog: I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

I've had to put up with her for years longer than non-Alaskans have. I kinda hate her. AND she's a dumbass.

I don't hate Sarah Palin. I'm practically Green/Red, but I don't hate her at all.

1. She's easy on the eyes. She's got the same politics as Maggie Thatcher, but I never daydreamed that Maggie was walking on my back in shiny white sneakers (btw thanks, rocinante721!)

2. She's a great magnet for Family-Country-God types. Keeps 'em busy while more moderate candidates collar the much larger centrist vote. America needs more moderate politicians. If Palin makes pandering to your base "uncool", it'll be her greatest gift to politics.

3. She's hilarious. Not only is every other cliche out of her mouth instantly repeatable, but the Palin-Biden debate meme is one of my favourites.

4. Not that Tina Fey needed a career boost, but anything that gets that lady more screen time is okay in my book. Ms. Fey: Brains are the new sexy, and it don't hurt none that you're sexy to start with.

5. I figure 2012 is Romney's chance, but he'll lose after Obama takes credit for the natural recovery from recession. Smart backers will get Palin a'studyin' to smarten up for her chance in 2016 (Gingrich will be disqualified by a heterosexual scandal in 2011). And Hillary is gonna demolish Sarah in debates, then just squeak by in the Electoral College by getting all of California, NY and surprisingly Texas, while conceding most of the landlocked states to Palin. Texas would never send a woman from Alaska to Washington. They hate Alaskans a lot more than Arkansans. Looking forward to Bill being co-President again.

Ok, let me be the first to admit it. I hate her. I have known people exactly like her in my life, and I hate them all.

Controlling, conniving, lying, soulless, douchebags that have attained some level of power and would do anything or step over anyone to retain and increase that power.

She, and everyone like her, can EABOD and DIAF. Right now.

Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

Put an 8-year-old behind the wheel of an earthmover, then say it's the kid you're afraid of....

whandall: And lets get real, when an article talks about how a number of people in Alaska independantly dig up a medical book to diagnose a candidate...thats got to set off some alarm bells.

That is what weirded me out, too. The woman does seem, for better or worse, a quiet strong cult of personality. Perhaps it is that, as her believers tend to come from the Religious Right, it is not enough that her followed like her positions and find her a dynamic leader, but need to invest in her the same sort of devotion they show their religious leaders.

Tor_Eckman: Ok, let me be the first to admit it. I hate her. I have known people exactly like her in my life, and I hate them all.

Controlling, conniving, lying, soulless, douchebags that have attained some level of power and would do anything or step over anyone to retain and increase that power.

She, and everyone like her, can EABOD and DIAF. Right now.

I ADMITTED IT FIRST!!!!

Why bring Maureen Dowd into this - what did she have to do with Vanity Fair?

My favorite part? Where he has a "friend" claim Dowd and other "aging feminists" hate Palin because she's so young and beautiful. But then he says, "Now while I don't like psychobabble, I agree wholeheartedly with this random piece of psychobabble."

Author is a moran.

Also, silly conservatives, we don't hate Palin. We hate her sins! She's demonstrably borne false witness at least 30 times since her debut on the national stage, and my hatred for this SIN is righteous and everlasting! This woman has no business being near power until she repents and asks forgiveness for all these lies - something she has never done! MY RIGHTEOUS HATRED FOR HER SINS KNOWS NO BOUNDS!

/But I loooove Sarah Palin, she's one of God's chillenest chilluns.

Lenny_da_Hog: Tor_Eckman: Ok, let me be the first to admit it. I hate her. I have known people exactly like her in my life, and I hate them all.

Controlling, conniving, lying, soulless, douchebags that have attained some level of power and would do anything or step over anyone to retain and increase that power.

She, and everyone like her, can EABOD and DIAF. Right now.

I ADMITTED IT FIRST!!!!

Ok, well I was second then. And two is more than one.

Neener neener.

Doublek111: Sgt Otter: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the entire farking point of the Vanity Fair article how much her own staff and various GOP campaign operatives couldn't stand her? You know, die-hard Republicans?

you're wrong.

Really? 'Cause it looks like the Vanity Fair article is about the internal battle in the GOP.

FTA: "Finally, we come to the "GOP family feud" caused by the Vanity Fair article as reported by Politico. The "feud" is between Weekly Standard editor William Kristol in the corner of Sarah Palin, and former McCain campaign strategist Steve Schmidt in the corner of Satan.

If you're Todd Purdum and you need to write a sleazy story, best to find a sleazy source willing to check dignity, honor, and facts at the door. In Steve Schmidt, Purdum found such a source.

Like a number of GOP "communicators," Schmidt had next to no real-world experience or success before becoming a communications guru and "genius" for the Party. Rather, like many in Washington, he attached himself to the coattails of others and slowly moved up the ranks. The fact that Schmidt is attacking her to try and salvage his reputation, should be a badge of honor for Palin."

And I'm amused by the notion that anyone--even a former McCain staffer--who says something bad about Sarah Palin must be in Satan's corner.

The fact is, a lot of negative stories about Palin came from Republican staffers after the election (Wasilla hillbillies, she thought Africa was a country, etc).

Letterman makes fun of EVERYONE, for palin to get her panties in a bunch is like scientology yelling at south park for making fun of them.

Everything else Palin just does it to herself cause she's an idiot.

If you want me to be bipartisan... Biden does the same thing :)

It's not that people "hate" Palin, it's more alarm that many people thought she was fit to be VP/possibly POTUS. Also,

furiousxgeorge: So, my conservative friends, what part of the Vanity Fair article was false?

ghare: Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

No one in America is afraid of her running. I pray she's the next Republican candidate.

Then we'll get a third party.

Um, great?

You mean a far-right party, a right-center party and a center-right party?

That would be progress, man.

HighOnCraic: And I'm amused by the notion that anyone--even a former McCain staffer--who says something bad about Sarah Palin must be in Satan's corner.

the whole 'you can't be a real republican unless' litmus test of supporting palin many placed on folks w/in the party and punditry during the campaign is going to take a while to rub off.

yet another reason why the republican primaries are likely to be a whole new kind of soap opera...

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

You realize the HuffPo is a collaborative blog, and that its founder once ran her husband for Governor of California on the GOP ticket? And that this particular author is a right-wing hack?

As the Crawl says:
Douglas MacKinnon is a former White House and Pentagon official and author of the novel, "The Apocalypse Directive."

in fact here the titles of his last dozen or so columns for Townhall.com:

June 30, 2009
Creeping Socialism Awakens Conservative Beliefs

June 26, 2009
Sarah Palin -- The Last Republican Standing?

June 9, 2009
Rush, Hannity, and the America of our Parents

May 13, 2009
What Pat Buchanan Failed to Mention

Apr 30, 2009
Retire the Disgraced Pulitzer Prize

Mar 31, 2009
Book Acts as Barometer Measuring the Fear of Obama

Mar 26, 2009
Shameless Republicans Fuel Mob Anger Against A.I.G.

Mar 24, 2009
Why won't big media probe Democrats' role in economic crisis?

Mar 4, 2009
Liberal Media Unemployment

Feb 24, 2009
We Are NOT Entitled

Jan 30, 2009
Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Please Arrest the Elitist Reviewers


you'll excuse me if I fail to find him an unbiased, left of center commentator.

CanisNoir: I'm pleasantly surprised that Huffpo ran that, dissapointed I couldn't read comments on it though. Palin isn't the idiot many of you think she is,

As evidenced by?

but at the time of the campaign she had some "growing up to do" and for that I blame the campaign staff.

Of course you do, it can't possibly be her fault, now can it?


They should have made the decision to pick her long before they did, and had one person up there secretly coaching her and getting her ready well before the announcement. Just my opinion.

I will agree with you here on this. The McCain campaign deserves quite a deal of blame for picking her. However, the blame for her faults lies with her.

She's gotten much better

At what, and evidenced by what?


but foreign policy still scares her a bit. (She fumbled around the NK missile names in one interview) so we'll see.

As for the rights hatred of Obama, yea it's as unhinged as the lefts for Palin, but to be fair, he's currently president and she's a losing VP Candidate, one is quite a bit more relevant than the other ;P

Palin is trying to make herself relevant. Nobody's going to Alaska and manufacturing controversy. She's traveling around acting like a potential Presidential candidate. Don't get upset when people treat her like one and hold her up to scrutiny.

santadog: I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

She's funny. It's like picking on the kid in 3rd grade who still sucks his thumb and eats the library paste.

mfaby: 'Bushs deficits are shameful so I will triple them' ' US Healthcare is terrible' yet 86% of US citizens are happy with their care 'I don't want the US to control healthcare' yet that is exactly what he is trying to do.
=============================================

Since Bush did his own bailout, gave his own money to GM (10s of billions worth), and helped draft the 2nd bailout, he shares at least half the burden of the 2008 fiscal year. Not to mention the reason it's going up in 2009 (Which I'll repeat for the 300th time) is because he's removing most of the accounting tricks bush used, like actually putting the wars on the budget.

Of course 86% of people are happy with their health care. We have spectacular doctors. It's health INSURANCE. Let me spell that out I-N-S-U-R-A-N-C-E that people don't have and are upset about. Please get it right.

The gov't never has and never will control health care. They want a public option for health insurance, that's it.

Magorn: Jan 30, 2009
Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Please Arrest the Elitist Reviewers

WTF? And this is the person you're throwing a ticker tape parade for?

Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

i'm Dem and i'd LOVE to see her run and lose to Obama. i don't hate her, i just know a Valley Girl when i hear one.

open wide, fer sure fer sure, she's a valley girl and there is no cure.

if she is all the ReBorglicans can come up with, Obama will win another term.


cheers!

Crazy hate for Palin? More like amused disdain. Ok maybe a little contempt too.

mat catastrophe: ghare: Euell Gibbons: Vomity Fair is afraid of her running. It's quite simple.

No one in America is afraid of her running. I pray she's the next Republican candidate.

Then we'll get a third party.

Um, great?

You mean a far-right party, a right-center party and a center-right party?

That would be progress, man.

There were 8 choices for pres on my ticket last time, none of them far left enough for ya?

santadog: I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

Same here. What I feel in the matter is revulsion that the right wing seriously wanted to saddle the country with someone like that. And even more so that they're trying so hard to promote her for the next election. The fact that someone makes you vomit doesn't imply hatred.

the ReBorglicans would run a chimp for office as long as that chimp promised them tax cuts and promised them to get 'government off the backs of business' so they could continue to steal from this country and the middle class.


/dev/null/GOP

the left?

Subby needs to RTFA. The same guy wrote an attack piece against Clinton. He's just a hater, plain and simple.

The left doesn't hate Palin, they are just scared shiatless of her, and the prospect of her being the leader of the free world.

But of course Bush proved that life goes on no matter what the level of incompetence is.

The Fourth Karamazov: CanisNoir: I'm pleasantly surprised that Huffpo ran that, dissapointed I couldn't read comments on it though. Palin isn't the idiot many of you think she is,

As evidenced by?

but at the time of the campaign she had some "growing up to do" and for that I blame the campaign staff.

Of course you do, it can't possibly be her fault, now can it?


They should have made the decision to pick her long before they did, and had one person up there secretly coaching her and getting her ready well before the announcement. Just my opinion.

I will agree with you here on this. The McCain campaign deserves quite a deal of blame for picking her. However, the blame for her faults lies with her.

She's gotten much better

At what, and evidenced by what?


but foreign policy still scares her a bit. (She fumbled around the NK missile names in one interview) so we'll see.

As for the rights hatred of Obama, yea it's as unhinged as the lefts for Palin, but to be fair, he's currently president and she's a losing VP Candidate, one is quite a bit more relevant than the other ;P

Palin is trying to make herself relevant. Nobody's going to Alaska and manufacturing controversy. She's traveling around acting like a potential Presidential candidate. Don't get upset when people treat her like one and hold her up to scrutiny.

You're wasting your time. Canis's puppydog crush on Palin is at a level where nothing she says or does can diminish it. He's like a high school sophomore in love with the senior head cheerleader, and no matter how many times she poops on him, he just keeps coming back for more.

mfaby: Alacritous 2009-07-03 12:40:14 AM
There's a fair bit of difference between hate and ridicule. Too bad the Right can't figure out the distinction.

Or the Left.

And you responded just the way I figured you would: insult her, call her stupid, blah blah blah.

As was pointed out, if you folks werent afraid of her you would let it go.

I'm afraid of her, but not in the sense you mean. I don't think she is some sort of political powerhouse, nor indeed do I think she'll ever be elected to an office of national consequence.

What I fear is her growing popularity within the GOP is dumbing that party down even farther than it is now, just at the time when the country most needs an intelligent, principled and loyal opposition to temper the party in power.

What I fear is that she showed on the campaign trail a willingness to go beyond rallying the faithful, into inciting mobs, by unleashing very ugly, divisive (remember "real America"?), hateful rhetoric of the sort that often inspires violence in its listeners. (Just ask the secret service how the death threats against Obama spiked after McCain took her off her leash) I am gravely concerned about the possibility of increasing domestic terrorism if her sort of campaigning becomes the GOP norm

so yes, for those reasons I fear the damage she could do to this country and will do everything I personally can to marginalize her and reduce her stature on the national stage

You don't have to approve of the woman to note the fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life. It seems to me that the wisest thing to do would be to just leave her alone and allow her to lapse into obscurity.
If she decides to make another run at a national office, fine - bring out the big guns - but for now, just leave her alone.
A wise man lets a sleeping dog (or rattlesnake, as the case may be) lie.
Just my two cents.

Tor_Eckman:

You're wasting your time. Canis's puppydog crush on Palin is at a level where nothing she says or does can diminish it. He's like a high school sophomore in love with the senior head cheerleader, and no matter how many times she poops on him, he just keeps coming back for more.

Yeah, I know. I keep thinking that maybe this time I can talk some sense into him. I know it's not happening though.

jso2897: You don't have to approve of the woman to note the fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life.

No she hasn't. She went back to Alaska and continued campaigning. She has a ghost-writer working on her bio, has been hanging out with the military for photo-ops, has set up a national PAC, and Alaskans are getting a little pissed off that she's not taking care of state business as her top priority.

She just got back from Kosovo, saying she went there "to visit Alaskan troops." She's campaigning for something. Alaska's governor has no official business there, she's just trying to make up for the criticism that she doesn't know anything about world/military subjects.

Christian Bale: the left?

Subby needs to RTFA. The same guy wrote an attack piece against Clinton. He's just a hater, plain and simple.

The left doesn't hate Palin, they are just scared shiatless of her, and the prospect of her being the leader of the free world.

But of course Bush proved that life goes on no matter what the level of incompetence is.

Because of Bush, life did not go on for a great many Americans.

What hate? She's manifestly unfit to run anything more than a well appointed kitchen.

jso2897: ...fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life

Dude, there's two banner ads for SarahPAC on THIS FARKING PAGE! I'm thinking she's not going away.

They have to take out Palin, she's a threat to the two party system. She doesn't play ball with the democrats and has no problem cleaning house in her own party so of course she must be destroyed.

heap: when you introduce yourself to the nation as a pitbull with lipstick, you really have little room to react to receiving what you give as tho you are a delicate flower.

well, you should, at least.

I don't recall her reacting as though she were a delicate flower; she matched Biden's flair in her own way. They both had a role in the campaign and they both filled it. Now Biden get's to be Obama's, Quale ;P

mrshowrules: Christian Bale: the left?

Subby needs to RTFA. The same guy wrote an attack piece against Clinton. He's just a hater, plain and simple.

The left doesn't hate Palin, they are just scared shiatless of her, and the prospect of her being the leader of the free world.

But of course Bush proved that life goes on no matter what the level of incompetence is.

Because of Bush, life did not go on for a great many Americans.

QFT, and not only those whose lives where wasted in a faraway desert we had no business being in. Millions of Americans are jobless and homeless because of his economic policies. We must never let those who would deny his actual legacy with "bu bu but Bush" allow us to forget the extent of the damage he has wrought.

UNC_Samurai: Jan 30, 2009
Paul Blart: Mall Cop. Please Arrest the Elitist Reviewers

Yeah, I'm going to take whatever he says with half a grain of salt.

he defends paul blart: mall cop
he defends sarah palin

next thing you know, he's going to be asking ABC to put According to Jim back on the airwaves

seriously, what does he have for dumb things with broad audiences?

So when the HuffPo contradicts conservatives world view, they are evil partisan hacks.

But when they agree with them, they're right and should be listened to.

Got it.

Oh and also, Sarah Palin started the hate during the campaign. Don't kid yourself.

CanisNoir: heap: when you introduce yourself to the nation as a pitbull with lipstick, you really have little room to react to receiving what you give as tho you are a delicate flower.

well, you should, at least.

I don't recall her reacting as though she were a delicate flower; she matched Biden's flair in her own way. They both had a role in the campaign and they both filled it. Now Biden get's to be Obama's, Quale ;P

Palin is dumb. Pure and simple. She is even dumber than Bush and that is hard to beat.

mfaby: And you responded just the way I figured you would: insult her, call her stupid, blah blah blah.

...aaaaaaand ignore.

Stop trying to pick fights with liberal farkers. You've not proven you can handle them.

vartian: She is farking brilliant/Jesus. Happy? The way you people react to everything damn thing said about her, you would think she was your new Messiah.

...no, they think Obamessiah is.

...what? They're the only ones who actually call him that.

The Fourth Karamazov: As evidenced by?

Google is you're friend; at the time of the campaign and shortly after, there were several people from both sides who met her and came away saying she was very bright and inquisitive. The positions she's held in the past as well as current position of governor isn't exactly a cake walk no matter what you think; and it's not like Mom and dad bought her into the spot.

Of course you do, it can't possibly be her fault, now can it?

Of course not, it wasn't her campaign to run first of all, secondly I highly doubt she had any serious national aspirations before being chosen, so I wouldn't expect her to be as informed on the relevant issues. The fact that the McCain campaign didn't have a clear choice well in advance of the announcement wasn't Palin's fault, they should have known ahead of time that she would be the choice and coached her appropriately; that's not something she could control.

At what, and evidenced by what?

Hell, just the latest ABC interview during the Letterman dust up. It wasn't just a ratings coup for Letterman, many people had her on which gave her a chance to tout the pipe line deal as well as address North Korea and other Foreign policy issues. As I said, she came off quite well but struggled when she had to name the different Missile types; for that she fell back on to a generalization. It's proven that she can move beyond spouting general platitudes that resemble nothing more than a talking point list, over and over again. That she was reduced to that in the campaign was a clear sign of poor last minute guidance and cramming by the McCain campaign staff.


Palin is trying to make herself relevant. Nobody's going to Alaska and manufacturing controversy. She's traveling around acting like a potential Presidential candidate. Don't get upset when people treat her like one and hold her up to scrutiny.


Like I said, the Letterman dustup was a win\win to be honest. You're also right in that she is attempting to keep herself relevant. I'll be interested to see how she reacts to this Vanity Fair interview because she does need to get the narrative changed; she's been on the defensive too long.

Hate her? HATE her? Are you KIDDING me?

Every liberal friend I have LOVES Sarah Palin. She's the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party since FDR.

Triaxis: They have to take out Palin, she's a threat to the two party system. She doesn't play ball with the democrats and has no problem cleaning house in her own party so of course she must be destroyed.

Lie.

She did not clean house in her own party. Her party got cleaned by a concerted effort of citizens -- GOP, D, and I -- over ten years to weed out the corruption caused by the Veco Corporation.

She took credit for something she had NOTHING to do with. I know this, because I was one of those citizens. A former Republican (who left the party over ideology in the 80s), Ray Metcalfe, is the one who did most of the work.

I don't think we've gone too far enough.

CanisNoir: I don't recall her reacting as though she were a delicate flower; she matched Biden's flair in her own way.

erm...she slung mud like crazy, and acts like it's a personal offense to her matronly honor when the same happens to her.

take a step back on this one. she advertises herself proudly as an attack dog (or a pissed off fish, depending on mood apparently) yet displays asspain the likes of which hasn't been seen since Mr. Hands if anybody even comes close to returning the favor.

again, you don't get to loudly proclaim the gloves are off, demonstrate it by laying out whatever attacks are handy...and then act as if anybody returning the favor is just a meanyface picking on poor sarah. it isn't just relegated to her, either...read the article. where was his (and similar pundits) umbrage at any of the shiat she's slung?

Lenny_da_Hog: Her party got cleaned by a concerted effort of citizens -- GOP, D, and I

also brought to you by the letters F, B, and I.

FTA: Which brings me to a question I've been asking for months of my liberal friends: Why do so many on the left have such an unhinged hatred of this woman? Why do so many alleged feminists and female members of the mainstream media openly and gleefully despise Palin?

has this idiot ever heard one of palin's speeches? she is a geyser of hate. she is the mother of all cynical liars. she engenders anger and violence in her brainwashed followers. and she was the millstone that sunk the mccain campaign. she is the emblem of the death rattle of the modern GOP. and she keeps doing it on the national stage. bottom line: she brought this shiat on herself.

Lenny_da_Hog: jso2897: You don't have to approve of the woman to note the fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life.

No she hasn't. She went back to Alaska and continued campaigning. She has a ghost-writer working on her bio, has been hanging out with the military for photo-ops, has set up a national PAC, and Alaskans are getting a little pissed off that she's not taking care of state business as her top priority.

She just got back from Kosovo, saying she went there "to visit Alaskan troops." She's campaigning for something. Alaska's governor has no official business there, she's just trying to make up for the criticism that she doesn't know anything about world/military subjects.

rohar: jso2897: ...fact that she has gone back to Alaska and resumed her life

Dude, there's two banner ads for SarahPAC on THIS FARKING PAGE! I'm thinking she's not going away.

Fine, then. Keep on yapping. Just know that you are helping her by doing so. She's an overambitious local pol who overreached badly, and fell flat on her face (beneficially putting the final stake in the heart of the McCain campaign), and nothing more. But if we all yell loud and long enough, we may very well succeed in making her into something more.

bill4935: words

I like what you have to predict. It's logical, entertaining and could happen. Any guesses on who will be in the Wolrd Series or the next Superbowl?

heap: Lenny_da_Hog: Her party got cleaned by a concerted effort of citizens -- GOP, D, and I

also brought to you by the letters F, B, and I.

That happened because we ran out of options. We had tried to put the investigation into the hands of Alaska's watchdogs.

The first effort went through the ethics committee in the 90s. The GOP then put an "over-sight" committee in charge of the ethics committee and overturned their ruling.

Ray then took the evidence to the Alaska Public Offices Commission (APOC), which supervises election and campaign finance issues. The GOP immediately cut APOC's funding to the point the couldn't afford an investigator anymore, and the case died there.

That's when Ray took the whole pile of files to the FBI. At first they thought he was just a whiner, but he kept bringing them evidence. Finally they listened.

I guess I just hate her cause she pretty.

What is truly hilarious is that since the campaign, it's come out that her husband, the snowmachine driver, was the one actually running Alaska. A great many Alaskans, conservative and liberal in various parts of the Alaskan government have come out and stated that he would sit in on meetings and be involved in decision making even though it was usually completely inappropriate.

She wasn't even running her own (small)state and every Republican/conservative I know kept repeating the part about her having more "executive" experience than did Obama. And they were rabid about it hahaha.

Hows it taste, conservatives?

mfaby: As was pointed out, if you folks werent afraid of her you would let it go.

Let her go, why would I want to do that? Purely for partisan reasons, I want Ms. Palin to be front-and-center in the Republican ranks. Purely for personal reasons, I want Ms. Palin to remain in the national spotlight until she ceases to be amusing.

I see the subjects of Queen Palin are still making her out to be a victim whenever criticized in the slightest. Par for the course, I suppose.

So, McCain's campaign brought her in when Hillary was NOT selected by Obama as a running mate. The GOP was terrified of an Obama/Clinton ticket and was gearing up for a campaign about "experience".

When Hillary wasn't selected, they executed Plan B (in an Oh S@#t manner, it seems) and rolled out the only female they could find in the GOP worthy of consideration. That, in itself, is kind of funny.

So, they roll her out, in all the GOP celebrity they can muster (nice wardrobe, BTW) and tout her as having Executive Decision Making Authority of a tiny little budget (hey, I have Executive Decision Making Authority over my household budget and the remote control, so make ME President!)

Meanwhile, she's friggin' MILES away from understanding mainstream America. But hey, she can see Russia on a clear day and shoots dogs from a helicopter.

Remember how insane and long ago all that seemed? Remember the insanity of "Drill Baby Drill"? WTF is wrong with these people?

Do I hate Palin? No. Far from it. I LOVE PALIN. She's the greatest thing the wingnut GOP has done in a long time! She has single-handedly ensured the GOP is considered freakishly out of touch with American needs.

PALIN ROCKS!!

"Krauthammer" is an awesome last name. If I were born in the 1920s, I would change my last name to Krauthammer if I got drafted for the war. It would be great. I would be a Nazi-stomping Allied war hero.

KRAUTHAMMER TO THE RESCUE

and - yes, i don't hate palin. on the contrary, actually. i love palin because every time she opens her mouth, thousands of fence-sitting moderate republicans become independents or democrats.

and, hell, she pretty much single handedly ensured obama's victory last november, so i've got to love her for that.

heap: take a step back on this one. she advertises herself proudly as an attack dog (or a pissed off fish, depending on mood apparently) yet displays asspain the likes of which hasn't been seen since Mr. Hands if anybody even comes close to returning the favor.

She's laughed off the attacks on herself and correctly been upset by attacks on her children; you need to learn to differentiate between the two.

CanisNoir: She's laughed off the attacks on herself

Except all those gotcha questions like "which newspapers do you read?"

CanisNoir:
She's laughed off the attacks on herself and correctly been upset by attacks on her children; you need to learn to differentiate between the two.

She hasn't laughed off anything. She's paranoid and vindictive.

CanisNoir: She's laughed off the attacks on herself

i realize the merits of my opinion are nil from your perspective, but you're downright topically delusional.

she whined, biatched, and moaned about katie farking couric for chrissakes. there wasn't even any attack there, just a lack of sufficient hand holding, and she let loose with asspain. asspain specific to the fact that she thought the interview should have been better tailored to attacking barack obama.

GavinTheAlmighty: "Krauthammer" is an awesome last name. If I were born in the 1920s, I would change my last name to Krauthammer if I got drafted for the war. It would be great. I would be a Nazi-stomping Allied war hero.

KRAUTHAMMER TO THE RESCUE

...

So anyway...

The first time I donated to Obama was about ten minutes after she made her community organizer crack at the convention. I don't care what your political party or your ideology, trying to paint someone as a loser because they turned down a high-paying law gig to work with poor people is just crossing the line, especially for a so-called Christian. I understand that politics is about turning your opponents virtues into vices, but that was the moment when I realized that the GOP had crossed the point of no return.

Pointing out the obvious has nothing to do with hate.

My boyfriend wanted to vote McCain and absolutely would have if it weren't for Palin, but I suppose he didn't because he's just so chock full of all that left wing crazy-hate you mentioned.

santadog: I don't "hate" the woman. I just think she's a dumbass.

and that's about it in a nutshell for me, too.

Flatulent_Flea: NO ONE WOULD HAVE EVER HEARD OF PALIN IF SHE WAS UGLY

my only real problem with the VF article was that it was pretty much irrelevant. The elections were 8 months ago and it didn't really reveal anything, other than fine details, about stuff I didn't already know about Palin.


That said, I don't hate Palin. I was, however, scared shiatless that someone that absolutely ignorant was nearly 2nd in line to President and am still scared that people are still talking about her like she's a viable candidate.

I see nothing wrong with hating stupidity, especially after what 8 years of stupidity has done to this country.

People like her and Bush embody stupidity.

kenposan:
I am afraid of her. Very afraid. Palin scares that shiat out of me. Why? Because she is

A) a moron
B) a hypocrite (more so than most politicians)
C) the right wing poster child of all things good and conservative despite (B).

She didn't care about McCain/Palin winning the election. She only cared about getting her name out there for herself. She doesn't care about Alaska. She doesn't care about the voters. She cares about her political career and her ambition.

So yes, she scares me.

It's not Sarah Palin's leadership that concerns us. like bush, she's a figurehead, propped up to woo the inbred morons whose votes are considered valuable, but whom we'll never see invited to the $1000/plate fundraising (buy-your-agenda) dinners. It's 4-8 more years of a Chenyeburton presidency. no, thanks.

run an actual conservative (not a jesusland/corporate shill hybrid) and maybe I'll give it some thought.

kregh99: I see nothing wrong with hating stupidity, especially after what 8 years of stupidity has done to this country.

People like her and Bush embody stupidity.

Palin = Governor of largest state in the union
Bush = Governor of 2nd largest state in the union. (& President)

Just think what they could have accomplished if they weren't so stupid.

I don't think anyone really hates Sarah Palin. I personally hate that our system allows someone so unqualified, intellectually incurious, hypocritical, prevaricating, and manipulative to be a realistic contender for the highest offices in the land.

I mean, for God's sake, democratic government is supposed to produce a meritocracy. The best and brightest should be the ones who govern. Those who understand the law and how it is created. Those who understand science and logic and how to use them to govern. Those who understand the arts of politics and diplomacy.

Instead we end up with a handful of intellects lost among a sea of hucksters and snake-oil salesmen.

That's what I hate.

Which brings me to a question I've been asking for months of my liberal friends: Why do so many on the left have such an unhinged hatred of this woman? Why do so many alleged feminists and female members of the mainstream media openly and gleefully despise Palin?

I hate the argument that there's only a certain kind of feminism, but you know why so many women hate on Palin, especially feminists? It's because she is the queen bee, the mean girl; she is every conniving, manipulative biatch you have ever known in your life, and worse yet, she is the kind who has power and a fan base. She is loved and adored by people who willfully ignore how horrible she is, either because they want to be liked by her, want to be like her, or are afraid of incurring her wrath.

And the reason why feminists in particular hate on her is because she is the conservative male dream of the perfect political woman. She's a hot maternal figure who speaks of social conservatism but winks at you in a way that says "But I'm wild in the sack" while she's preaching about abstinence and Jesus. She's the sexy librarian, and it's an image she deliberately plays up to her advantage, not that I can really blame her. She's not about making life better for women in general by advancing social causes or bringing attention to major problems as much as she is about making life better for Sarah. It's not about an ideology or a cause so much as it is about her. Which I guess is a criticism that can be made of many, if not most politicians, but it's more grating to the feminist when a female politician plays into male concepts of what a woman should be. Even Mackinnon brings this up, saying that perhaps Dowd hates her because Palin is a threat - because she is married, a mother, and sexy, implying that these are all things that Dowd wants to be, or SHOULD want to be. Dowd, who, by the way, is actually quite nice looking despite being 12 years older than Palin.

And finally, it's fun to hate on Palin because she has proved herself such a disastrous train wreck. Anyone who has ever had to deal with the kind of person Palin is likely to hate or at least not like that person. But to be shown, over and over again, the many faults of that person as they flounder about on a national stage, blaming everyone but themselves, playing the victim as they are shown just how horrible, dumb, or otherwise petty or incompetent that they are, well, that's just pure schadenfreude. It's almost gleeful.

Cat Food Sandwiches: Palin = Governor of largest state in the union
Bush = Governor of 2nd largest state in the union. (& President)

Just think what they could have accomplished if they weren't so stupid.


What does square acreage have to do with anything?

GAT_00: I don't hate her. I think she's dumber than a rock and the best possible thing that could have happened to the GOP. Palin/Plumber 2012!

Exactly, I adore Sarah Palin as a GOP front runner in 2012. She is as dense as a bag of hammers, though.

I think what the case really is, is that the right can't hack the game they started. The left has learned to play nasty, because the right lowered the bar. Now, they are shrieking and crying that it isn't fair that they are having their asses handed to them with the same tactics.

Slurs on Palin pale in comparison to stuff said about Obama.

FTFA: "....the fragile minds of those who hate."

Love it. Describes most libs to a "T".

The right actually convinced themselves that everybody is jealous of the rich.

They have a record of claiming that they have the ability to read minds.

You'd think that with all their supposed superhero powers they would have developed the power to win elections.

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Didn't I recently hear about a concerted effort by the GOP to try and essentially invade Huffington Post and Daily Kos? Pretty much for exactly this purpose?

FTFA: "...Dowd "may be threatened or envious of Palin... or both. As an aging but still attractive woman, Dowd may resent Palin's good looks. Further, as a single woman of a certain age, she may be envious that Palin has a husband, a family, and has carved out an accomplished political career."

While not a fan of psycho-babble, it does seem to be a plausible explanation.

With regard to why Purdum, David Letterman, and other liberal males continually go after Palin, the answer might be as easy as they secretly lust after her while also seeing her as the "girlfriend of the quarterback" they could never get in high school. Seriously, look at the "men" who belittle Palin on a regular basis. For the most part, they fit the description of "the pencil-neck geek" from high school. Are they now trying to make Palin pay for their long-ago inadequacies? Is that why Letterman imagines her now as a "Slutty Flight Attendant?" Because she is his fantasy and rather than admit it, he strikes out at her?"

I came to these exact conclusions quite some time ago.

Hate? More like amusement. Palin is a complete joke -- the fact that the Right still believes her viability tells you quite a bit about the state of her party.

bookman: FTFA: "...Dowd "may be threatened or envious of Palin... or both. As an aging but still attractive woman, Dowd may resent Palin's good looks. Further, as a single woman of a certain age, she may be envious that Palin has a husband, a family, and has carved out an accomplished political career."

While not a fan of psycho-babble, it does seem to be a plausible explanation.

With regard to why Purdum, David Letterman, and other liberal males continually go after Palin, the answer might be as easy as they secretly lust after her while also seeing her as the "girlfriend of the quarterback" they could never get in high school. Seriously, look at the "men" who belittle Palin on a regular basis. For the most part, they fit the description of "the pencil-neck geek" from high school. Are they now trying to make Palin pay for their long-ago inadequacies? Is that why Letterman imagines her now as a "Slutty Flight Attendant?" Because she is his fantasy and rather than admit it, he strikes out at her?"

I came to these exact conclusions quite some time ago.

That all might make sense until you're standing within ten feet of her.

That's when you can see the liver spots on her neckline where the Max Factor craquelure ends.

When some measly middle-class Dem ridicules Palin thats someone picking on somebody bigger than them.

When the talking heads on right wing hate radio pick on the poor and the homeless thats known as picking on someone smaller than them.

Now obviously you con rejects had such terrible parents that they raised you to be bullyies so you actually enjoy it when one of your fellow retards picks on the least among us.

Cat Food Sandwiches: Palin = Governor of largest state in the union
Bush = Governor of 2nd largest state in the union. (& President)

Just think what they could have accomplished if they weren't so stupid.

Timmins, Ontario, has an area of 1,143 square miles. It is more than twice the size of New York City and Los Angeles, four times bigger than the city of Chicago, and is 100 square miles less than all three of those put together. Think about that for a minute.

It's definitely not hate. Just a mix of revulsion and fascination.

Ah, Republicans, if you could only comprehend what you've become! It's like you've been sucking the stupid straight from that twunt's frozen tit.

bookman: I came to these exact conclusions quite some time ago.

Letterman is a comedian and Palin is comedy gold. That should explain him well enough.

Canis Noir Now Biden get's to be Obama's, Quale ;P

Spelled and punctuated just like Dan would have. Well done.

Cat Food Sandwiches: Palin = Governor of largest state in the union

US Cities Larger (more people) than the State of Alaska:

Baltimore El Paso Boston Milwaukee Denver Seattle Nashville Washington Las Vegas Portland Louisville Oklahoma City Tucson Atlanta Albuquerque Fresno Sacramento Long Beach Mesa Kansas City Omaha Cleveland Virginia Beach Miami Oakland

Salt Lick Steady: It's definitely not hate. Just a mix of revulsion and fascination.

For my own part i can say that i have never hated clowns in my entire life.

So why would i hate Palin.

we lefties is sum CRAAAAAZY haters!

Crazy mad hate!!!

go kill a doctor, lunatics.

With all the Dems saying they actually want Palin to run again in 2012 all i can say is thats a strange definition of hate you repubs have dreamed up in your alternative universe.

You may be laughing at CanisNoir now but when Sarah Palin shows up at his doorstep to fark him, you'll all be sorry.

I don't hate her, I just seem to feel better when she's not around.

...aaaaand

She just fired the state's Public Health Director of 20-years+ because of minor disagreements on abortion. (new window)

This also cost us the state's chief medical officer, as he quit when Sarah wanted him to take over the health director position.

The issue? Sarah wants parents to give permission for abortion. The scientists pointed out what's happened in other states -- the delay leads to more risky, late-term abortions.

Sarah couldn't handle science, per usual, and vindictively fired people. Again.

FlukeBoy: go kill a doctor, lunatics.

Or a Unitarian congregation.

Or a gay

Or a few hundred inhabitants of Oklahoma city

If that doesn't give you the old thrill just remember the good old days when repubs vetoed health care FOR CHILDREN (SCHIP).

Nothin gets the conservative bully juices flowing like picking on kids.

The author asks why the unhinged hate for Palin.

The answer's simple: Modern liberalism doesn't work without enemies to hate. It pretty much goes back to Clinton's impeachment, but mushroomed in Florida 2000.

Since then, the vitriol has been near constant; only the targets shift.

A classic example was John McCain. Heroic story of surviving a Vietnamese POW camp and refusing to be let go earlier than his comrades there; lifetime of public service; repeatedly demonstrating his willingness to work with Democrats on major stuff; demonstrated willingness to work on environmental issues, immigration reform, etc.

Maybe all that's not good enough for a Democrat to vote for the guy. But to respect him? It should have been unquestionable.

Instead McCain was tarred as "four more years of George W. Bush," a sentiment beyond ridiculous. I read Farklibs in here gleefully discuss McCain's ability as a pilot, attack him for his age and rationality, etc.

That's just one example. Obviously the way liberals went after Palin was grossly unfair, up to and including repeatedly involving her children in the smears.

"What if the same thing was done to Sasha and Malia?" The question's been asked to the hate-filled idiots countless times. Doesn't slow them down in the slightest.

There's a doctoral dissertation in psychology waiting to happen on liberal hate.

Halli: You may be laughing at CanisNoir now but when Sarah Palin shows up at his doorstep to fark him, you'll all be sorry.

As will he.

/shudder

Paul Baumer: Canis Noir Now Biden get's to be Obama's, Quale ;P

Lenny_da_Hog: Halli: You may be laughing at CanisNoir now but when Sarah Palin shows up at his doorstep to fark him, you'll all be sorry.

As will he.

/shudder

hah now imagine listening to her during sex. That would be quite the experience.

I hate her. She farking sucks.

rocinante721: ^ that is all

I guess you would jizz... in your pants if you came to my town, because there are about 2000 MILFs in their late 30s/early 40s here that look about as good as her.

furiousxgeorge: So, my conservative friends, what part of the Vanity Fair article was false?

Considering it was based on opinion and speculation, with no factual merit in almost it's entirety, I'd say just about all of it.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Considering it was based on opinion and speculation, with no factual merit in almost it's entirety, I'd say just about all of it.

Notice the lack of any proof to show that it was based on opinion.

FlukeBoy: we lefties is sum CRAAAAAZY haters!

Crazy mad hate!!!

go kill a doctor, lunatics.

Conservatives use the word "hate" because they are unaware that there are varying levels of dislike or disapproval.

They can only identify with "hate".

FishingWithFredo: I read Farklibs in here gleefully discuss McCain's ability as a pilot, attack him for his age and rationality, etc.

He crashed 5 farking times, and finished in the bottom 5 of his class. Maybe 5 is his number.
/no room for criticism there

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Mordant: bingethinker: Sort of like the crazy hate the right has for Obama?

Glass houses, douchebags, glass houses.

too bad every motherless neocon douchef*ck here will deny it.

I wish you two were the same person.

Maybe if Palin wasn't so stupid and crazy people wouldn't hate her so much?

Bacontastesgood: I guess you would jizz... in your pants if you came to my town, because there are about 2000 MILFs in their late 30s/early 40s here that look about as good as her.

Coordinates, please.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Considering it was based on opinion and speculation, with no factual merit in almost it's entirety, I'd say just about all of it.

If by opinion speculation you mean quotes both attributed and anonymous by people who have worked with the woman over the last 10-ish years, then yeah...

our first Maxim President

Lenny_da_Hog: I've had to put up with her for years longer than non-Alaskans have. I kinda hate her. AND she's a dumbass.

Yep. This.

Clarence Potter: If by opinion speculation you mean quotes both attributed and anonymous by people who have worked with the woman over the last 10-ish years, then yeah..

Yes. Opinion. Speculation. So now we both understand what those are.

bill4935: I don't hate Sarah Palin. I'm practically Green/Red, but I don't hate her at all.

1. She's easy on the eyes. She's got the same politics as Maggie Thatcher, but I never daydreamed that Maggie was walking on my back in shiny white sneakers (btw thanks, rocinante721!)

2. She's a great magnet for Family-Country-God types. Keeps 'em busy while more moderate candidates collar the much larger centrist vote. America needs more moderate politicians. If Palin makes pandering to your base "uncool", it'll be her greatest gift to politics.

3. She's hilarious. Not only is every other cliche out of her mouth instantly repeatable, but the Palin-Biden debate meme is one of my favourites.

4. Not that Tina Fey needed a career boost, but anything that gets that lady more screen time is okay in my book. Ms. Fey: Brains are the new sexy, and it don't hurt none that you're sexy to start with.

5. I figure 2012 is Romney's chance, but he'll lose after Obama takes credit for the natural recovery from recession. Smart backers will get Palin a'studyin' to smarten up for her chance in 2016 (Gingrich will be disqualified by a heterosexual scandal in 2011). And Hillary is gonna demolish Sarah in debates, then just squeak by in the Electoral College by getting all of California, NY and surprisingly Texas, while conceding most of the landlocked states to Palin. Texas would never send a woman from Alaska to Washington. They hate Alaskans a lot more than Arkansans. Looking forward to Bill being co-President again.


that would make me happy, I like that view of the future.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Yes. Opinion. Speculation. So now we both understand what those are.

Hey, when she fails to give the guy an interview to, you know, answer the charges... what do you expect? Also there was a fair bit of retelling of those actual event-things, like her playing fast and loose with the facts; and my favorite tidbit about her authoring that e-mail, using the voice of God, to announce the birth of one of her children. Does retelling those things count as opinion or speculation?

FishingWithFredo: The author asks why the unhinged hate for Palin.

The answer's simple: Modern liberalism doesn't work without enemies to hate. It pretty much goes back to Clinton's impeachment, but mushroomed in Florida 2000.

Since then, the vitriol has been near constant; only the targets shift.

A classic example was John McCain. Heroic story of surviving a Vietnamese POW camp and refusing to be let go earlier than his comrades there; lifetime of public service; repeatedly demonstrating his willingness to work with Democrats on major stuff; demonstrated willingness to work on environmental issues, immigration reform, etc.

Maybe all that's not good enough for a Democrat to vote for the guy. But to respect him? It should have been unquestionable.

Instead McCain was tarred as "four more years of George W. Bush," a sentiment beyond ridiculous. I read Farklibs in here gleefully discuss McCain's ability as a pilot, attack him for his age and rationality, etc.

That's just one example. Obviously the way liberals went after Palin was grossly unfair, up to and including repeatedly involving her children in the smears.

"What if the same thing was done to Sasha and Malia?" The question's been asked to the hate-filled idiots countless times. Doesn't slow them down in the slightest.

There's a doctoral dissertation in psychology waiting to happen on liberal hate.

Yes, and it would be a dissertation on projection, because what happened to McCain was nothing compared to what you bastards did to Max Cleland and Kerry over their service.

So fark off.

She is a shameless liar with a massive inferiority complex and lacks the mettle to be President.

There, I said it. OMG I'M CRAZY

I don't hate her, I think she's an endless source of comedy gold. So, actually, I sort of love her.

The left doesn't hate Sarah Palin, just read this thread.

paygun: The left doesn't hate Sarah Palin, just read this thread.

And so what if we do? The right hates Obama, the Clintons, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, etc...

Hate her? Liberals are going to vote for her in droves in any state with an open primary. Your Operation Chaos, let me show you it.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Clarence Potter: If by opinion speculation you mean quotes both attributed and anonymous by people who have worked with the woman over the last 10-ish years, then yeah..

Yes. Opinion. Speculation. So now we both understand what those are.

Yes, she's an innocent lamb undeserving of any criticism whatsoever, we get it already.

Clarence Potter: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Yes. Opinion. Speculation. So now we both understand what those are.

Hey, when she fails to give the guy an interview to, you know, answer the charges... what do you expect? Also there was a fair bit of retelling of those actual event-things, like her playing fast and loose with the facts; and my favorite tidbit about her authoring that e-mail, using the voice of God, to announce the birth of one of her children. Does retelling those things count as opinion or speculation?

Those are first hand accounts. I think you know the difference.

Wow, I almost stopped reading when I got here:

Which brings me to a question I've been asking for months of my liberal friends: Why do so many on the left have such an unhinged hatred of this woman? Why do so many alleged feminists and female members of the mainstream media openly and gleefully despise Palin?


Because it was the same tired bad logic proposition that feminists are obligated to support ANY female.

But, I kept reading and got here:


Fine. I get that. But why Dowd and the feminists? With regard to The New York Times columnist, I asked a female friend of mine who happens to be a psychologist, what might prompt the anger? She mentioned a host of possibilities, but settled on one theory. That being that Dowd "may be threatened or envious of Palin... or both. As an aging but still attractive woman, Dowd may resent Palin's good looks. Further, as a single woman of a certain age, she may be envious that Palin has a husband, a family, and has carved out an accomplished political career."


Really?

"You're just jealous?" Now, I've had that tossed my way for criticizing everyone from Britney Spears to Kevin Smith, and you expect that sort of thing on imdb and Fark... but in an editorial on a political candidate in a prominent blog?

What came next?

"she makes more money than you do!"

"I don't see you being governor of somewhere!"

"you go run a state of your own and then you can criticize her!"

How do people who keep writing shiat like this completely ignore the fact that a VP candidate, and possibly a future candidate for the highest office of the land, couldn't name one farking magazine or newspaper?

She's an idiot.

I know there's a certain brand of retard out there who thinks real life is like the movies and thinks:

"Sarah Palin gots common sense like common folk... She ever bit as smart as me and I thank I'd be a purty good President 'cause I know what's what. I listen to Dave Ramsey ever'day and I could fix that durn economy!"

- but that's because they're idiots too. They're the worst kind of idiots... too dumb to know how dumb they are. They live in very small worlds, and they don't know HOW MUCH they don't know.

Hating the prospect of giving an idiot the launch keys is nothing but rational thinking.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to masturbate to that picture of her in her running attire.

The Only Good Moran: Yes, she's an innocent lamb undeserving of any criticism whatsoever, we get it already

Sorry you feel that way.

If republicans are going to continue to defend this woman I am just going to assume they have given up and decided they don't even want to bother participating in national politics.

FTA

That being that Dowd "may be threatened or envious of Palin... or both. As an aging but still attractive woman, Dowd may resent Palin's good looks. Further, as a single woman of a certain age, she may be envious that Palin has a husband, a family, and has carved out an accomplished political career."

Because all we care about is looks and pooping out babies, that has GOT to be one of the most insulting pieces of shiat pop psych I have ever read.

You know why i hate her, because she is a freakin moran who doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the Presidency of the US.

Halli: You may be laughing at CanisNoir now but when Sarah Palin shows up at his doorstep to fark him, you'll all be sorry.



Would hive-five him for that.


some hot GMILF action....

errr I meant popping out babies... this is what happens when i forget my glasses

elchip: And so what if we do? The right hates Obama, the Clintons, Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, etc...

No problem, just admit it.

Lenny_da_Hog: ...aaaaand

She just fired the state's Public Health Director of 20-years+ because of minor disagreements on abortion. (new window)

This also cost us the state's chief medical officer, as he quit when Sarah wanted him to take over the health director position.

The issue? Sarah wants parents to give permission for abortion. The scientists pointed out what's happened in other states -- the delay leads to more risky, late-term abortions.

Sarah couldn't handle science, per usual, and vindictively fired people. Again.

Bev and Jay were two of the more qualified people we've ever had working in those positions. If it goes on much longer like this there won't be anyone qualified to fill the director level positions at any department in the state. They'll have all been fired or told to resign.

FishingWithFredo - The author asks why the unhinged hate for Palin.

The answer's simple: Modern liberalism doesn't work without enemies to hate. It pretty much goes back to Clinton's impeachment, but mushroomed in Florida 2000.

Since then, the vitriol has been near constant; only the targets shift.

A classic example was John McCain. Heroic story of surviving a Vietnamese POW camp and refusing to be let go earlier than his comrades there; lifetime of public service; repeatedly demonstrating his willingness to work with Democrats on major stuff; demonstrated willingness to work on environmental issues, immigration reform, etc.

Maybe all that's not good enough for a Democrat to vote for the guy. But to respect him? It should have been unquestionable.

Instead McCain was tarred as "four more years of George W. Bush," a sentiment beyond ridiculous. I read Farklibs in here gleefully discuss McCain's ability as a pilot, attack him for his age and rationality, etc.

That's just one example. Obviously the way liberals went after Palin was grossly unfair, up to and including repeatedly involving her children in the smears.

"What if the same thing was done to Sasha and Malia?" The question's been asked to the hate-filled idiots countless times. Doesn't slow them down in the slightest.

There's a doctoral dissertation in psychology waiting to happen on liberal hate.



This has got to be one of the most ironic posts in history... because after all of your talk about liberal hate and victimizing poor ol' John, it took Republicans to attack his "illegitimate nigra baby."

3_Butt_Cheeks: Those are first hand accounts. I think you know the difference.

So then specific to the article at hand, and by that I mean the actual VF article, and discounting the bits about post-partum depression and/or her former associates using DMS from afar; how does the author of TFA engage in opinion and/or speculation?

tartie_pants: errr I meant popping out babies... this is what happens when i forget my glasses

pooping out babies was funnier.

3_Butt_Cheeks: The Only Good Moran: Yes, she's an innocent lamb undeserving of any criticism whatsoever, we get it already

Sorry you feel that way.

Well when you go out of your way to defend her over every little thing said about her, its not that hard to get to that.

When have you ever done otherwise?

furiousxgeorge: So, my conservative friends, what part of the Vanity Fair article was false?

I did find this little bit questionable:
...in 2006, as Palin was beginning her campaign for governor, a conservative columnist dug up e-mail messages showing that she too had conducted campaign business from her mayoral office. Confronted by the columnist, Palin acknowledged that she had erred. Then she turned around and issued a press release, demanding to know why the columnist was publishing smears.

When Andrew Halcro asked her to explain this during the gubernatorial debates she said, "It's not the same thing." Halcro told her using your publicly provided email address to campaign was the same as using your publicly provided email address to campaign, she turned away from him and asked the moderator to move on to the next question. I only remember this as distinctly as I do because it was at that point I realized she wasn't who/what she was trying to tell us all she was. She wasn't honest, she wasn't humble, and she certainly wasn't the great reformer she claimed to be. She was a tattletale and a hypocrite.

The Only Good Moran: 3_Butt_Cheeks: The Only Good Moran: Yes, she's an innocent lamb undeserving of any criticism whatsoever, we get it already

Sorry you feel that way.

Well when you go out of your way to defend her over every little thing said about her, its not that hard to get to that.

When have you ever done otherwise?

Yes I have. Have you?

technicolor-misfit: - but that's because they're idiots too. They're the worst kind of idiots... too dumb to know how dumb they are. They live in very small worlds, and they don't know HOW MUCH they don't know.

While true, I think the more damning aspect is that they don't WANT to know how much they don't know. They are, in a very real way, afraid of how big the world is.

Gosh, what a patriotic way to display a flag.
Don't let it touch the ground, Sarah!

Wow, maybe when she's done running she can use that old dust cover to mop up her sweat, and then she can wad it into a ball and use it as a cushion for that hard chair.

FTFA: while also seeing her as the "girlfriend of the quarterback" they could never get in high school.

The writer's an ass if he can't follow the "psychobabble" to a better guess than jealousy as to why she's not an impressive political figure.

dammit.

I always find it humorous when people pretend that she is hot. The bar has really been set low if she is considered hot.

/she probably has sharp knees too.

GavinTheAlmighty: "Krauthammer" is an awesome last name. If I were born in the 1920s, I would change my last name to Krauthammer if I got drafted for the war. It would be great. I would be a Nazi-stomping Allied war hero.

KRAUTHAMMER TO THE RESCUE

The literal translation leaves a lot to be desired, though. "Cabbage-hammer?"

WTF is she holding in her left hand? A Blackberry?

I'm a left-leaning guy, and though it would be wrong to say I'm afraid of Palin, I am afraid of what she represents. Dubyadumbass got elected (especially in 2004) because he was the candidate "you wanted to have a beer with" (alcoholism aside) and because the GOP was able to effectively mobilize the wacko fundies nationwide to vote for him. Palin represents this kind of stupid even more effectively than Dubya. "Africa is a country. PUTIN! The newspapers I read, what kind of a question is that? I said no thank you to that bridge to nowhere!" And so on and so fourth. Stupid is a force of nature, like solar storms or gamma-ray bursts or black holes. You'll just drive yourself crazy if you worry about it all the time, but every now and then the stars line up just right and the stupid makes a mess out of everything. That is why the prospect of Palin with any sort of national political power is worrying, because we've already seen what happens when someone even less stupid is president for eight years.

tweekster - I always find it humorous when people pretend that she is hot. The bar has really been set low if she is considered hot.

/she probably has sharp knees too.shiat, I can't farking stand her, but I think she's wicked hot.

She's totally got that naughty librarian look going on... and while it's certainly diminished by the fact that she's probably never laid her hands on a book that didn't have perfume samples inside, I would still love to stick my dewey in her decimal system.

Don't we all know to ignore any headline that involves the tired trope of "Even (ideological publication X) supports (opposite ideological issue Y)..."

Come on, that shiat is by dumb people for dumb people.

Milkbeer: Democrats get pissed when they see how ugly they really are when REAL women run for office, rather than people like Hillary Clinton who's basically as qualified as Nancy Reagan to run for office.

So you're calling Nancy Reagan ugly?

/+1 for spelling the president's name wrong

Zeno-25: That is why the prospect of Palin with any sort of national political power is worrying, because we've already seen what happens when someone even less stupid is president for eight years.

Or six months. Lofty (misguided) ideology and catch-phrase speeches don't make a leader. I'll reserve final judgement for another couple years, but so far it's been pretty much worse than I had thought.

FishingWithFredo: The answer's simple: Modern liberalism doesn't work without enemies to hate. It pretty much goes back to Clinton's impeachment, but mushroomed in Florida 2000.

If this isn't a textbook case of Rovian projection, I don't know what is. Liberalism needs enemies? For Christ's sake, Nixon had an enemies list. He actually called it his "enemies list". His entire Southern Strategy was based on the idea that by tying civil rights reform to the Democrats, the Republican Party could turn white male Christian Southerners into a reliable voting block. William F. Buckley helped start the anti-intellectual movement that has sense blossomed into a pro-ignorance cancer. The GOP spent the last 8 years claiming that anyone who opposed the war for any reason was a traitor to America who wanted the terrorists to win. George W. Bush ran for election on the philosophy that you only needed 50%+1 of the population to get behind you and that the rest of the country can fark off. The rabid base spent so much time demonizing Hispanics and killing any meaningful immigration reform that they have since driven the Hispanic population into the waiting arms of the Democrats. They have declared homosexuals abominations against God and have gone to enormous lengths to ensure that gays don't get the same civil rights as the rest of us. The 2008 Republican Convention hosted a Southern preacher who said that liberals want to kill babies, a multimillionaire former Governor of Massachusetts who decried East Coast Elitism, a former Mayor of New York City who decried Big City Values, and Moosefarker Barbie who mocked community organizers. In the six months since the election, the GOP leadership, Fox News, right-wing bloggers and right-wing talk radio have carried out a coordinated campaign to paint the President as a (black)atheist(black)socialist(bllack)Kenyan-born(black)Muslim(black)Jew-hating( black)anti-American(black) hate-monger. Numerous lone wolves have carried out acts of violence because they thought that Obama was stealing their guns or because too many babies were being killed or that Mexicans were stealing their jobs.

And liberals are the ones who need enemies?

Without hate the Left has no focus.

NYZooMan: Without hate the Left has no focus.

Spoken like the Palpatine-wannabe that most of you hardcore right wingers are.

NYZooMan - Without hate the Left has no focus.

Well then, thank goodness the GOP is full to bustin' with deserving targets.

If anyone should really hate Palin, it actually should be McCain supporters. She's one of the big reasons why McCain lost.

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Well, let's just settle something right now. Is Huffpo a good source of information or is it not?

lstywnch: When Andrew Halcro asked her to explain this during the gubernatorial debates she said, "It's not the same thing." Halcro told her using your publicly provided email address to campaign was the same as using your publicly provided email address to campaign, she turned away from him and asked the moderator to move on to the next question. I only remember this as distinctly as I do because it was at that point I realized she wasn't who/what she was trying to tell us all she was. She wasn't honest, she wasn't humble, and she certainly wasn't the great reformer she claimed to be. She was a tattletale and a hypocrite.

Compl;etely agree. I don't hate her, I just think she's a phony who would eat your children to get where she wants to go. She's not a reformer for the public interest, she's the exact opposite.

Why does the right always confuse laughter with hate?

I don't have crazy hate for her. I merely mock her at every opportunity. The first one would be an obsession, the second one is just fun.

NYZooMan

Nobody every taught you that in order to gain credibility, you must base your assertions on something firmer than your shoddy prefab desire that they be true?

JohnBigBootay: Compl;etely agree. I don't hate her, I just think she's a phony who would eat your children to get where she wants to go. She's not a reformer for the public interest, she's the exact opposite

I get worried when people like my mother, who is normally a great judge of character, fail to see it. But then my mother was incredibly liberal and all for civil rights when I was a kid and has become this weird antithesis of herself in the past few years. I blame Faux news.

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that hate -- for lack of a better word -- is good.

Hate is right.

Hate works.

Hate clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Hate, in all of its forms -- Hate for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.

And Hate -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.

/sorry, Gordo.

lstywnch: I get worried when people like my mother, who is normally a great judge of character, fail to see it. But then my mother was incredibly liberal and all for civil rights when I was a kid and has become this weird antithesis of herself in the past few years. I blame Faux news.

Exactly. The image presented us was an outsider who campaigned against cronyism and for ethical governance. Since then it's been one long rap sheet about using her public office for private business, using public funds for non-authorized family trips, the clothing deal, the sordid state trooper thing, the campaign email thing, a complete inability to endure any criticism whatsoever, her mccarthyist feelings on the media in general, etc. She rails a lot about washington insiders - ha, she just wants in herself so she can get her piece of the pie - she's smart enough to know she's not getting another term in Alaska. Her approval rating IN ALASKA has dropped from 80 plus to 55 since the nomination and she's sinking like a rock.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/akmuckraker/sarah-palins-approval-rat_b_198658.ht m l

JohnBigBootay: Her approval rating IN ALASKA has dropped from 80 plus to 55 since the nomination and she's sinking like a rock.

Her approval rating would have dropped even without the extraneous scandal. She promised an "all Alaska" gas pipeline, then went with the trans Canada, and even went so far as to give money to a Canadian corporation to explore building it instead of an American one. She also shafted the folks in Ketchikan with their Gravina Island bridge (bridge to nowhere) project that she promised the town she'd support. And right now she's not winning any friends with this relentless pursuit of the parental consent legislation.

JohnBigBootay - lstywnch: When Andrew Halcro asked her to explain this during the gubernatorial debates she said, "It's not the same thing." Halcro told her using your publicly provided email address to campaign was the same as using your publicly provided email address to campaign, she turned away from him and asked the moderator to move on to the next question. I only remember this as distinctly as I do because it was at that point I realized she wasn't who/what she was trying to tell us all she was. She wasn't honest, she wasn't humble, and she certainly wasn't the great reformer she claimed to be. She was a tattletale and a hypocrite.

Compl;etely agree. I don't hate her, I just think she's a phony who would eat your children to get where she wants to go. She's not a reformer for the public interest, she's the exact opposite.



As I've said from the get-go, she's a marketing bim'/newsbabe. I work in advertising/TV and got my start at local TV stations, and all the way up the ladder, I've worked with dozens of Sarah Palins.

She even shows a newsbabe's approach to "research" and learning... pick up a few keywords and get an "idiot's guide to..." understanding of just what you need to know for the 5 minutes you'll be talking about it and then promptly forget it.

He's right that I dislike her because she was the "girlfriend of the quarterback," wrong to conclude that I'm angry because I couldn't get her... She IS the "girlfriend of the quarterback" the shallow, incurious, social-climbing sorority girl who coasted by on her looks and had no interest in anything but being pretty and popular.

That's her exactly. He got her exactly right.

I will give her credit, though... She was smart enough to know she couldn't tell Katie Couric that she got her news from "Cosmopolitan," "US Weekly," "Vogue," "People," "Glamour," and "Allure."

The_EliteOne: bill4935: words

I like what you have to predict. It's logical, entertaining and could happen. Any guesses on who will be in the Wolrd Series or the next Superbowl?


KAHUNA CANNOT PREDICT SPORTING EVENTS.

CanisNoir:
She's laughed off the attacks on herself and correctly been upset by attacks on her children; you need to learn to differentiate between the two.

Lipstick on a pig ring any bells?

Cat Food Sandwiches:
Palin = Governor of largest state in the union
Bush = Governor of 2nd largest state in the union. (& President)

Just think what they could have accomplished if they weren't so stupid.

You realize that a governor doesn't tend to each acre personally, right?

Milkbeer: Democrats get pissed when they see how ugly they really are when REAL women run for office, rather than people like Hillary Clinton who's basically as qualified as Nancy Reagan to run for office. THink of how they treated Miss America? Democrats hate beauty, that's why they're ugly, spiteful, and disgusting, mildly retarded useful idiots who's only friend is Barrack Obama.

Spoken like a true hater of America. Way to go, Mr. Bastian of Good Will.

mfaby: GREAT article with lots of truth in it; too bad every lib in here will deny it, even though its in HuffPo.

Me personally, I think we should be electing presidents based on their education, intelligence and ability.

Everything from Palin's speeches, public actions, family life reflect actions and choices of an individual I wouldn't want to talk to at a bar if she was buying me drinks let alone let her run the country.

Take for example the current "the only effective government is local government" crap she's spouting. NONE of the major problems this country is facing are local problems! Explain to me how 10,000 city councils can effectively tackle the problem of the recession? Or how they can tackle issue with healthcare?

Luckily, the problems I have with her boil down to: "She's a poorly educated retard who spawns retard babies."

Because I literally cannot imagine any world view where anything she says or does make ANY sense to what the world is actually like. And yet she thinks she has the ability and right to run the country?

3_Butt_Cheeks: The Only Good Moran: 3_Butt_Cheeks: The Only Good Moran: Yes, she's an innocent lamb undeserving of any criticism whatsoever, we get it already

Sorry you feel that way.

Well when you go out of your way to defend her over every little thing said about her, its not that hard to get to that.

When have you ever done otherwise?

Yes I have. Have you?

I asked you when, as I have been given no reason to believe that you've ever criticized her. Ever.

As a conservative with a libertarian bent, I wish Palin would just stay in Alaska and keep a low profile.

Somebody told her she has star power so now she wants to run for national office. But she's the opposite of what conservatives need right now. What we need is more sophisticated candidates who will avoid issues with oversimplified answers that distract us from the real problems this country faces.

Teen pregnancy is a real problem. But it's possible from a practical perspective, to advocate condom use, abstinence, and monogamy all at the same time. There are too many on the right, though, that have turned this into some kind of religious issue. Palin belongs to that other party which is reducing everything to a slogan.


/Even during the civil war, when most Americans were far more religious than now, they understood that if you safely housed the prostitutes and gave them medical exams, the rate of disease in the soldiers went way down.

Ashelth: Take for example the current "the only effective government is local government" crap she's spouting. NONE of the major problems this country is facing are local problems! Explain to me how 10,000 city councils can effectively tackle the problem of the recession? Or how they can tackle issue with healthcare?

Well that's not exactly true. A lot of local governments are going broke right now and the feds are bailing them out. So you could argue that overspending by state an local goernments during boom times has created a mix of unsustainable services in bad times. Had they been managed better, by fiscally prudent leaders, perhaps $100 billion of the stimulus money wouldn't be going where it's going.

It's only natural that governments tend to spend all the money they have and borrow what they can, because nobody thinks about a rainy day and poorer voters think they're getting it for free when other people's taxes are paying for it. Until the private sector shrinks. It's time for a little more honesty about what governments ought to be doing.

This just in: Caribou Barbie is not running for reelection. 2012, here we come!

3_Butt_Cheeks: Or six months. Lofty (misguided) ideology and catch-phrase speeches don't make a leader. I'll reserve final judgement for another couple years, but so far it's been pretty much worse than I had thought.

You know what happens when you try and stop a freight train? It takes a really long time to come to a halt, and in the meantime, you can put anything and everything in the path of said freight train in order to try and stop it, and anything and everything will get plowed over and the train's just going to keep on going.

When Obama got seated, the freight train of economic suck was going at roundabout 120 MPH. I'd say Obama's slowed it down to about 55 MPH so far, but that's still a freight train going at 55 MPH.

Wow, this thread really picked up after I went to bed. I was going to count the "I don't hate her" versus the "I do hate her" posts but I lost interest. I still don't think she's what most people think she is: she's not quite as dumb as the Left thinks, nor is she as great as some on the Right say. Very few Republicans I know like her (beyond her looks) and want to see her run in 2012. A good friend of mine is pretty right wing (except on social issues) he didn't think McCain was conservative enough and he was floored when Palin was selected.

"It's over. Done" He said.

I had always been a fan of McCain but I also was...well...stunned when he picked her. Personally, I wanted a McCain/Powell ticket, even though Powell later endorsed Obama. A McCain/Powell ticket would have made for a much, much more interesting campaign, I think.

So no, I do not want to see her as the face of the GOP in 2012 and I won't. I hate to break bad news to the Left, but there's no way she wins the nomination in 2012, no way.

(fingers crossed)

Your_Huckleberry: Wow, this thread really picked up after I went to bed. I was going to count the "I don't hate her" versus the "I do hate her" posts but I lost interest. I still don't think she's what most people think she is: she's not quite as dumb as the Left thinks, nor is she as great as some on the Right say. Very few Republicans I know like her (beyond her looks) and want to see her run in 2012. A good friend of mine is pretty right wing (except on social issues) he didn't think McCain was conservative enough and he was floored when Palin was selected.

"It's over. Done" He said.

I had always been a fan of McCain but I also was...well...stunned when he picked her. Personally, I wanted a McCain/Powell ticket, even though Powell later endorsed Obama. A McCain/Powell ticket would have made for a much, much more interesting campaign, I think.

So no, I do not want to see her as the face of the GOP in 2012 and I won't. I hate to break bad news to the Left, but there's no way she wins the nomination in 2012, no way.

(fingers crossed)

Well, as they just announced moments ago, she's going to do her damnedest to try and get that nomination. I can see no other reason why she wouldn't run for re-election. Frees her up to work on bigger projects, obviously.

House of Tards: Lipstick on a pig ring any bells?

I don't recall her getting upset over that; a lot of supporters and bloggers sure.

Mentat: This just in: Caribou Barbie is not running for reelection. 2012, here we come!

Dang it, get me all excited before she makes the formal announcement.

msnbc is saying "Palin Stepping Down"

She's quitting?

What the fark is she up to now?

Chuck Ruffcorn: msnbc is saying "Palin Stepping Down"

She's quitting?

What the fark is she up to now?

Hubby just got home from the news room. The speculation is that she will announce a 2012 bid, but she could also be planning to challenge Murkowski Jr for the senate seat.

Your_Huckleberry: So no, I do not want to see her as the face of the GOP in 2012 and I won't. I hate to break bad news to the Left, but there's no way she wins the nomination in 2012, no way.

I subscribe to the 'it's your turn' school of thought as far as GOP nominations. Whose turn it is, though, is open to interpretation. The people who can claim it's their turn:

TIER 1
*The current/most recent VP (Dick Cheney)
*The most recent VP nominee (Sarah Palin)
*Whoever came in second in the last primary of consequence (Mike Huckabee)

TIER 2
*The next-highest finisher in the last primary of consequence (Mitt Romney)
*A long-standing Senator who ran unsuccessfully in the past (Richard Lugar, who came in 6th in the 1996 primary)

That's it. Those five. Everyone else is trying to position themselves for it to be their turn in 2016.

People hate on Palin because she frightens them. She represents the empty-vessel ideologue who can be pumped full of ideas by whatever shady characters remain behind the curtain.

She is, in effect, a much better looking George W Bush. And America already has the scars from going through that experiment.

Oh, yeah, MSNBC lady, like Palin's stepping off the national stage for a second. Alaska's just becoming this annoying insect to her she got tired of feeding.

Alacritous: There's a fair bit of difference between hate and ridicule. Too bad the Right can't figure out the distinction.

Sure. When you're still doing it to a politician when she hasn't been running for anything or made public appearances beyond what she does as governor for months, it's hate.

Gosling: Your_Huckleberry: So no, I do not want to see her as the face of the GOP in 2012 and I won't. I hate to break bad news to the Left, but there's no way she wins the nomination in 2012, no way.

I subscribe to the 'it's your turn' school of thought as far as GOP nominations. Whose turn it is, though, is open to interpretation. The people who can claim it's their turn:

TIER 1
*The current/most recent VP (Dick Cheney)
*The most recent VP nominee (Sarah Palin)
*Whoever came in second in the last primary of consequence (Mike Huckabee)

TIER 2
*The next-highest finisher in the last primary of consequence (Mitt Romney)
*A long-standing Senator who ran unsuccessfully in the past (Richard Lugar, who came in 6th in the 1996 primary)

That's it. Those five. Everyone else is trying to position themselves for it to be their turn in 2016.

Hmmm....interesting, I think you're on to something. But one of your Tier One people-Cheney-will not run. Another-Palin-should not run. That leaves Huckabee, who I would call a favorite right now.

Tier Two of Romney and Luger are also still in play, I think. And someone else could come up.

position themselves for it to be their turn in 2016

That's assuming President Obama is unbeatable. He might be, we'll have to see. I think there could be ways of challenging him on issues alone. But if the GOP stays hard right and loses more ground in 2010, then runs someone like Palin in 2012 and gets hammered, then you'll see some big changes in the party. I'd like to see them without another more losses, but that might be what it takes.

yeah, all that hate and they still lost by only 5 percent of the vote... if some of that hate convinced 2-3 percent of the population I might be OK with that,

I have a question about this picture:


Correct me on anything I'm wrong about here because I'm genuinely curious.

Not the American flag, but the other flag. Doesn't flying that flag indicate that she has lost one child in war? I thought that's what those flags meant. Maybe it's just any family member, but I thought it was specifically the children of the person flying the flag.

Like if some unfortunate mother/family lost two or three children at war they'd have one of those flags with two or three (respectively) stars.

I didn't know she had had anyone in service, but I don't know that much about her family members.

And if she hasn't lost any family members in the service, isn't it pretty disrespectful to have that in a photo shoot?

I don't see why the Left hates her, she was instrumental in winning us the election. We should be thanking her and encouraging her to be in the public eye. Look what it did for Letterman.

This is me answering my own question. It only means the son/daughter has been killed if it has a gold border. Red simply means active service, which her son Track is.

I guess that's probably his name under the star?

Wow, did he really just try to say that we hate Palin because we are jealous of her or want to screw her? Apparently his psychologist friend is a fan of Freud (only has sex on the mind). No, we "hate" Palin because she would do a horrible job in public office and implement many policies I wholeheartedly disagree with. Let alone make our country look retarded for electing her in the first place. I would be more than happy if she were to fad into the background and the attacks on her would stop, but she herself refuses to do that, especially now with the plans officially out that she is preparing for 2012. No, people need to be reminded just how bad she is so she doesn't have a chance.

For a few moments, Sarah Palin came on to the scene and stole away the precious star power that Obama had, but it didn't last long as the left wing types in the news and entertainment industry kicked themselves in to overdrive in their efforts to destroy her for the Chosen One.

But still, she not only opposed the Chosen One, she diminished Him if only temporarily, and for these great sins she is never to be forgiven.

I think the hate is unwarranted; but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for deciding to put her in the spotlight. Nobody would care otherwise if someone else was tapped to be McCain's running mate.

rjw25: I think the hate is unwarranted; but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for deciding to put her in the spotlight. Nobody would care otherwise if someone else was tapped to be McCain's running mate.

Well, for one it is not hate. As has been said so often and will be said again, we are amused and/or perturbed by the fact that she holds any power at all.

Anyone as ignorant of science as her, as religiously delusional as her, as easily led as her, and as dedicated to bad ideas and disproven/discredited economic theories as her is a joke as a public figure and a nightmare as an elected official.

She's a nice lady (from what I've seen) and I respect her chosen way of life, I even respect her crazy, crazy religion. But just because I like grandpa and enjoy his company as he tells me about the moon nazis, doesn't mean I want him running the country, or even behind the wheel of a moving vehicle. And likewise, just because I think that exorcisms, belief in witchcraft, and the "real american" way of life (which is *still* insulting by the way) has a certain charm, it also has its failings.

rjw25: I think the hate is unwarranted; but the GOP has no one but themselves to blame for deciding to put her in the spotlight. Nobody would care otherwise if someone else was tapped to be McCain's running mate.

The hate is completely warranted. Sarah Palin got her start in politics by running for mayor of a tiny town on national issues like abortion, got in to higher office in a similar manner, and engaged in corruption while in office in Alaska. Politically she showed herself to be nothing but an opportunist. While campaigning nationally, she displayed an incredible level of anti-intellectualism and in fact was proud of her own ignorance. Meanwhile, she treated the campaign as an excuse to go on a personal shopping spree, and even bought high heels for her preteen daughter. On a personal level, she speaks like a moron, couldn't keep her (other) daughter from getting knocked up, and has seen two children drop out of high school.

This person is not qualified to run anything, yet she got dangerously close to the White House by taking advantage of circumstances. For me, it's not an issue of disagreeing with her politics so much as it's an issue of being repelled by her classlessness, incompetence, stupidity, and groundless ambition.

It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

randomjsa: For a few moments, Sarah Palin came on to the scene and stole away the precious star power that Obama had, but it didn't last long as the left wing types in the news and entertainment industry kicked themselves in to overdrive in their efforts to destroy her for the Chosen One.

But still, she not only opposed the Chosen One, she diminished Him if only temporarily, and for these great sins she is never to be forgiven.

Shouldn't you two be off cheerleading more church shooters?

The only thing that scares me about Sarah Palin, is as dumb as she is, the repubs will inevitably find someone DUMBER.

Dan Quayle...

Dubya...

Palin...


...????!!!

The Only Good Mor0n
tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

randomjsa: For a few moments, Sarah Palin came on to the scene and stole away the precious star power that Obama had, but it didn't last long as the left wing types in the news and entertainment industry kicked themselves in to overdrive in their efforts to destroy her for the Chosen One.

But still, she not only opposed the Chosen One, she diminished Him if only temporarily, and for these great sins she is never to be forgiven.

Shouldn't you two be off cheerleading more church shooters?

What a stupid statement. Of course, your logon name says it all......

Mentat: You cannot sustain a campaign of platitudes and clichés over a year and a half if you're running for the presidency,

Obama sez: ORLY?

tony41454: The Only Good Mor0n
tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

randomjsa: For a few moments, Sarah Palin came on to the scene and stole away the precious star power that Obama had, but it didn't last long as the left wing types in the news and entertainment industry kicked themselves in to overdrive in their efforts to destroy her for the Chosen One.

But still, she not only opposed the Chosen One, she diminished Him if only temporarily, and for these great sins she is never to be forgiven.

Shouldn't you two be off cheerleading more church shooters?

What a stupid statement. Of course, your logon name says it all......

Hey its not my fault you thought they were national heroes and patriotic Americans. You came to that conclusion all on your own.

I'm starting to think that Palin is a Democrat cheat code for winning elections.

ichiban:
And if she hasn't lost any family members in the service, isn't it pretty disrespectful to have that in a photo shoot?

The gold star would mean she lost a family member.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_flag

tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

I don't give a damn what you think. If you think I'm "sick" for hating an ambitious moron for getting to close to an important leadership position, you can go off and fark yourself.

Repeat: Go fark yourself.

El_Dan: tony41454: It's not the GOP that's full of hate and bias, but the liberals. They are jealous of Palin, they are afraid of Palin. They hate like no one can. They are a sick bunch of people. Here's the proof:

El_Dan
The hate is completely warranted.

Sick, sick people.

I don't give a damn what you think. If you think I'm "sick" for hating an ambitious moron for getting to close to an important leadership position, you can go off and fark yourself.

Repeat: Go fark yourself.

Did you leave something out of that? Like "ambitious moran with dangerous ideas" or "too close to the most important leadership position" or "to an important leadership position she wasnt qualified for?" It's like you hate stupid people with dreams about being managers. That's harsh.

I think there are folks in this thread that claim they don't hate her that really do. I get that, there's more than one politican out there that I'll admit I pretty much hate. Soon-to-be-Former-Gov.Palin is one of those figures that just set people off. Is that "sick"? I suspect "sick" comes in when one doesn't just hate, doesn't just want that person out of office or defeated or even in jail or something, but when one wants harm to come to that person. "I hate So&So! They did this,this and this, really screwed up this country!" is different from "I hate So&so, I want them to die a slow painful death, most of their family, too".

Of course, a vast majority of this is the typical Internet Badass/Coward scene and nothing will ever come of it, just people blowing off steam. But there are nutcases out there that actually act on their hate.

TFA: With regard to The New York Times columnist, I asked a female friend of mine who happens to be a psychologist, what might prompt the anger? She mentioned a host of possibilities, but settled on one theory. That being that Dowd "may be threatened or envious of Palin... or both. As an aging but still attractive woman, Dowd may resent Palin's good looks. Further, as a single woman of a certain age, she may be envious that Palin has a husband, a family, and has carved out an accomplished political career."

The "aw, you're just jealous" angle? I don't buy that.

You know the song that starts "pretty girls just seem to find out early how to open doors with just a smile"? I think that Sarah Palin cynically uses her looks and charm. She gleefully knows that a lot of people just want to hang with the popular girl in school and ignore her queen-bee using and manipulating the people around her. Those of us who see through her act are fully aware of her game, refuse to play, and will call her on it.

Feminists know that using cleavage and a smile to get ahead goes against their agenda of equality and respect for one's mind.

I'm no liberal feminist supporter, but the "she's just jealous" idea is weak.

SpyVsSpy: The only thing that scares me about Sarah Palin, is as dumb as she is, the repubs will inevitably find someone DUMBER.

Dan Quayle...

Dubya...

Palin...


...????!!!

michele bachmann

rohar: There were 8 choices for pres on my ticket last time, none of them far left enough for ya?

1. The independent parties were running batshiat crazy people. I don't care how much I align with the green party politically; Cynthia McKinney in an elected office after going completely woowoo is a scary thought.

2. Ignoring that they ran crazies, the system in the US states mathamatically guarantees that only the two top parties have a chance at winning. Until one goes the way of the Whigs no third party will ever have a chance at competing on the national level.